9/4/07 - Mets vs Reds Game Thread

[Heath]

Redlegs lineup (per CTR)

Hopper cf
Keppinger 3b
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Cantu 1b
Gonzalez ss
Ross c
Belisle p

[Heath]

Hey Matt, you get the Mets lineup, ok?

:D

[BRM]

Mets lineup, per C. Trent:

Reyes ss
Gotay 2b
Wright 3b
Beltran cf
Delgado 1b
Alou lf
Green rf
Lo Duca c
Perez p

[oneupper]

I don't like tonights lineup vs. Perez. The key to beating Perez is patience, not being right-handed.

That's not a very patient lineup.

[Ron Madden]

I don't like tonights lineup vs. Perez. The key to beating Perez is patience, not being right-handed.

That's not a very patient lineup.


But "The Book" says to match up RH hitters vs LH pitchers and vise versa.

Pay no attention to that other stuff. We must play the game by "The Book". ;)

[Heath]

What is with the adversion of making Hamilton face LHP?

This is a potential superstar in the making. This is bad. Very bad.

[Matt700wlw]

What is with the adversion of making Hamilton face LHP?

This is a potential superstar in the making. This is bad. Very bad.

The book says he doesn't face lefties.

[Ron Madden]

What is with the adversion of making Hamilton face LHP?

This is a potential superstar in the making. This is bad. Very bad.


RHH must face LHP. Even if the RHH is inferior to your LHH. ;)

[pedro]

I have no problem with them bringing Hamilton along slowly against LHP's.

Besides Hopper is batting .355 vs. LHP. while Hamilton is batting .209.

[redsmetz]

I have no problem with them bringing Hamilton along slowly against LHP's.

Besides Hopper is batting .355 vs. LHP. while Hamilton is batting .209.

But see, Pedro, such logic gets in the way of caricaturing anything the Reds management does.

[Heath]

I have no problem with them bringing Hamilton along slowly against LHP's.

Besides Hopper is batting .355 vs. LHP. while Hamilton is batting .209.

Pedro, the stats don't lie, but if this kid is the real deal, at some point, he NEEDS to hit left handed pitchers, even soft-tossing herky-jerky types like Oliver Perez.

Even though our GM is touting pennant race, there really isn't one, and this is the time (September) and let the kid play everyday.

Sorry to seem a little on the edge, I was offered 4 tickets for tomorrow and I can't go. Then I heard Votto's starting.

[pedro]

Pedro, the stats don't lie, but if this kid is the real deal, at some point, he NEEDS to hit left handed pitchers, even soft-tossing herky-jerky types like Oliver Perez.

Even though our GM is touting pennant race, there really isn't one, and this is the time (September) and let the kid play everyday.

Sorry to seem a little on the edge, I was offered 4 tickets for tomorrow and I can't go. Then I heard Votto's starting.

I agree. I'm just not sure his first season back after not playing for three years is that time. I certainly hope they try and work him against LHP more next year but I really want Hamilton to have sustained success and comfort in a role that he can handle this year. And for the time being that doesn't seem to include facing much LHP. Remember, 6 months ago we were all wondering if he could even face RHP with any success. Let's not push for too much too soon.

[Heath]

I agree. I'm just not sure his first season back after not playing for three years is that time. I certainly hope they try and work him against LHP more next year but I really want Hamilton to have sustained success and comfort in a role that he can handle this year. And for the time being that doesn't seem to include facing much LHP. Remember, 6 months ago we were all wondering if he could even face RHP with any success. Let's not push for too much too soon.

Good point pedro, and I certainly don't disagree.

But if this guy's RX is playing baseball, IMO, I'd play him 5 games a week no matter who's playing.

[oneupper]

Under other circumstances, Hamilton would be a prime candidate for some winter ball.

[Matt700wlw]

Well that didn't take long

[oneupper]

Anyone else ready to give up on Belisle?

[CTA513]

Only 3 runs given up in 1+ innings.

[KronoRed]

We should see Saarlos and Coffey tonight :clap:

[pedro]

We should see Saarlos and Coffey tonight :clap:

you're just a Saar-Los-er ;)

[Matt700wlw]

Belisle already at 73 pitches...and there's 1 out in the 4th

[Ltlabner]

At least this year it wasn't a West Coast roadtrip that killed us.

That's an improvement.

[oneupper]

Anyone know the Aflac question?

Who was the 3,000 strikeout victim of two pitchers.

I'm gonna say Geronimo. I think Ryan got him.

[KittyDuran]

Anyone know the Aflac question?

Who was the 3,000 strikeout victim of two pitchers.

I'm gonna say Geronimo. I think Ryan got him.You are correct, sir... the other pitcher was Bob Gibson.

[Matt700wlw]

Anyone know the Aflac question?

Who was the 3,000 strikeout victim of two pitchers.

I'm gonna say Geronimo. I think Ryan got him.

You would be correct.

Ryan got him and Gibson got him

[Red in Chicago]

that one had "eyes"

[Matt700wlw]

I fully expect Belisle to give those 2 runs back...


Griffey almost had another incident of not hustling...

[Matt700wlw]

Cantu gave it a ride...

[redsmetz]

Nuxie leaves us in a state of suspended animation on that call - I think they all went in slow motion out there!

[OnBaseMachine]

I can't believe that ball by Cantu wasn't a homerun. It looked long gone coming off the bat. Must have hit it off the end of the bat.

[oneupper]

Belisle starts the 5th at 75 pitches. You have BP full of arms.
Hit for him in the bottom of the inning? (I would).

[Matt700wlw]

Belisle starts the 5th at 75 pitches. You have BP full of arms.
Hit for him in the bottom of the inning? (I would).

Votto :D

Maybe not against Perez...nevermind

[penantboundreds]

isnt ellison available to pinch hit?

[oneupper]

isnt ellison available to pinch hit?

Like I said, Belisle can hit just fine.

[Red in Chicago]

there's that "hustle" again;)

[Matt700wlw]

The country boy!

[Heath]

so, next year, the platoon 1b will be Votto/Cantu?

I mean, Tony Perez platooned with Gordy Coleman.

[Red in Chicago]

met's playing very cincy like this inning:p:

[Matt700wlw]

Reason #23 why Matt Belisle will never be a dependable starter.

[oneupper]

Belisle ties Harang with 24 HR allowed
(a lot fewer innings).

[Matt700wlw]

Mackanin with the Narron hook

[CTA513]

Some more of that good pitching.

[oneupper]

Mackanin with the Narron hook

Yep. Let 'em hit and wait till they implode.

[Matt700wlw]

Bill Bray wasn't the answer.....tonight

[CTA513]

Some great pitching by both the Mets and Reds tonight.

[oneupper]

Majik in now....fire still burning.

[Matt700wlw]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/93/IMG_0635.JPG/300px-IMG_0635.JPG

[Matt700wlw]

This is going well...

[Matt700wlw]

How about not leaving a ball right in the middle of the plate?

[oneupper]

Mets hitting for Perez. Guess 5 innings from Perez is enough for them...hint hint.

[Red in Chicago]

letting lo duca and greene drive in runs is pretty sad considering the types of years they are having

[flyer85]

the gift that keeps on giving

[CTA513]

Just put Salmon, Coffey or Saarloos in and let them eat up some innings.

[Red in Chicago]

18 runs so far this series without reyes even being a factor:rolleyes:

[edabbs44]

http://snogirl.snoville.com/Circus/circus-tent.gif

[redsfan4445]

dont worry Wayne still has confidence in the players he brought up.. Saarloos, Coffey and oh yea dont forget Eddie!!! HE LOVES high ERA!!

[Matt700wlw]

http://www.schwimmerlegal.com/mr%20met.jpeg

[Matt700wlw]

Votto!


I'm interested again :)

[OnBaseMachine]

Here's Joey!

[Matt700wlw]

He's overmatched.

Bust.

Send him back.



:p: :D

[CTA513]

Vottos a bust.

[Matt700wlw]

Who was in the TV booth?

[redsfan4445]

Bengals announcer Brad Johansen

[Matt700wlw]

I guess the Reds broadcasts are moving on as well ;)

[redsfan4445]

soon... the Reds should be proud they teased u in August to end up doing the samething like every year quit at the end... so i want to see a big name manager come in and change this crap.. NOMORE guys that cant manage in any other market but Cincy because they are CHEAP..AND i do hope LaRussa gets the job..that means a LEGIT pithing coach in Duncan will follow him.. he always has followed Tony!

[Matt700wlw]

Arm Shot Eddie takes over.


Poor Eddie.

[redsfan4445]

speaking of the devill herrrrrrrrrrrreeeees EDDIE!!!

[oneupper]

I really thought the Eddie question had been answered.

[Matt700wlw]

Brantley says if Eddie can throw the ball up near 90 (which he tonight..88-89) he'd take it...which I think means pick up the option.

I say no way, no how, no thanks....DO NOT WANT

[flyer85]

wayne must have be playin' Memories in the executive suite for the last inning

[flyer85]

Brantley says if Eddie can throw the ball up near 90 (which he tonight..88-89) he'd take it...which I think means pick up the option.

I say no way, no how, no thanks....DO NOT WANThis attrition rate would be off the charts

[oneupper]

I found myself wanting that ball to go out.

[Red in Chicago]

I found myself wanting that ball to go out.

commie;)

[redsfan4445]

the Reds pick that option up i'm mad!!.. he has not proven he can do it consistently.. big game in st Louis, he gave up the game winning grand slam!! He isnt the same guy we got last year now... if he takes a reduced salry to come back after they decline the option and he has to prove he can come back in spring training thats fine, but i say save that 3 million and go after a legit bullpen arm!!

[vaticanplum]

For the second time in a week, a squirrel ran onto the field at Yankee Stadium, and a Yankee homered (A-Rod tonight, Damon last week).

i'm going to kidnap that squirrel and clone it.

[Matt700wlw]

Javy for Ross.

[redsfan4445]

javy for Edwin????? what is Pete doing???

[oneupper]

Javy for Ross? vs a LHP?

[redsfan4445]

they said Edwin on the TV

[oneupper]

Mac rolling the dice.

[Matt700wlw]

Javy's for Edwin or Ross?

I'm focused, tonight...I know :)

[vaticanplum]

Ok, relax guys. they're both from Puerto Rico. I get it.

[redsfan4445]

wow thats a K .. amazing that wasnt called strike 3!!

[Matt700wlw]

Edwin's on deck...

[redsfan4445]

now they show Edwin ondeck.. the TV guys didnt get the situation right

[redsfan4445]

i still would have batted Edwin in that situation

[redsfan4445]

well this is the time for Coffey to show he can get guys out for 2008 plans

[redsfan4445]

nice way to throw over to 1st.. geesh..!!

[redsfan4445]

Coffey doesnt want to be here in 2008... unbelievable!!

[Matt700wlw]

....he's back, and he still can't pitch.

Next.

[flyer85]

must be legion ball pitchers out there.

[CTA513]

Clutch home run by Lo Duca

[Matt700wlw]

As a Japanese man once said...

"This Coffey ee saki"

[oneupper]

Coffey gives up his 12th homer.. Incredible.

[redsfan4445]

they need to get scouts that know what to look for in acquiring pitching.. this is ridiculous!!

[RedLegSuperStar]

Coffey gives up his 12th homer.. Incredible.

Johan Santana-esk

[redsfan4445]

Johan Santana-esk

Coffey wishes he was that good!!

[Matt700wlw]

Can we send him back?

[redsfan4445]

nope.. he is here to stay with his other great bullpen arm Saarloos!!

[RedFanAlways1966]

With no outs in the 8th inning and Salmon coming in to pitch... staff ERA for September is 9.00 (32ER, 32IP).

[oneupper]

Salmon in. Let's see what he's bringing.

[smith288]

Hey Todds a good guy though.

[CTA513]

I hope we get to see Saarloos tonight.

[Matt700wlw]

Hey! An out!!

[redsfan4445]

"Good Guys Finish Last" ask Jerry!!!

[mbgrayson]

All three hits against Coffey were 94-95 mph fastballs over the heart of the plate. (According to GameDay).

He is simply throwing too many predictable pitches.....needs to work the corners and get better placement, vary his speed a little..... have confidence in secondary pitches.
That walk was all fastballs.
(See What went wrong with Todd Coffey? (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61892)).

[RedLegSuperStar]

Coffey wishes he was that good!!

Yes.. I'm sure.

However..

Coffey: 12 homeruns in 44.2 innings

Santana: 30 homruns in 194 innings

[Red in Chicago]

All three hits against Coffey were 94-95 mph fastballs over the heart of the plate. (According to GameDay).

He is simply throwing too many predictable pitches.....needs to work the corners and get better placement, vary his speed a little..... have confidence in secondary pitches.
That walk was all fastballs.
(See What went wrong with Todd Coffey? (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61892)).

Dave Duncan could fix his problems

[redsfan4445]

The sad part of this season,, Th Mets like others WANT to win every night.. the Reds try to not lose and end up losing!!

[Matt700wlw]

The sad part of this season,, Th Mets like others WANT to win every night.. the Reds try to not lose and end up losing!!

They need to learn how to lose...

[redsfan4445]

i'm tired of losing.. want to see a TRUE commitment at winning here..hate thinking the Reds Hall of Fame will never have anything else of a great winning season added to it!!!

[Matt700wlw]

sigh.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Just your typical 8th inning while the opponent bats. ;)

[redsfan4445]

how long did this inning last? geesh!

[CTA513]

Salmon struck out Delgado to end the inning and Delgado probably hurt himself swinging at one of the pitches.

[redsfan4445]

they show the commercial.. "family Fun at the Ballpark" Are you kidding me? thats to stressful

[Matt700wlw]

Buck Coats!

[Wheelhouse]

Hernandez on the Reds: "When you play these bottom tier teams, you see why they are so bad. After a couple days you see the lackadaisical play." Whew...

[redsfan4445]

yep another rookie K

[oneupper]

Not a good night for the debutantes..

[RedFanAlways1966]

Well Buck ain't afraid to swing the stick. Making contact just wasn't in the mix tonight.

[redsfan4445]

oh well i bet they bring back the same crap for next year

[mbgrayson]

Hernandez on the Reds: "When you play these bottom tier teams, you see why they are so bad. After a couple days you see the lackadaisical play." Whew...

Ouch....that's gotta hurt.

[redsfan4445]

The Reds ownership doesnt care.. they still think they are in the race.. blah blah

[RedFanAlways1966]

Hernandez on the Reds: "When you play these bottom tier teams, you see why they are so bad. After a couple days you see the lackadaisical play." Whew...

I need to see that Just For Men commercial with Walt Frazier to remind me of the cheeseball making that comment. Will makes this REDS fan feel better about the source of that comment. ;)

[Matt700wlw]

I need to see that Just For Men commercial with Walt Frazier to remind me of the cheeseball making that comment. Will makes this REDS fan feel better about the source of that comment. ;)

http://www.thrillist.com/images/insets/jfm.gif

[RedFanAlways1966]

Thanks, Matt! :thumbup:

It's Mr. Grey-Beard...

[CTA513]

Burton forgot that hes a Reds pitcher and has a 1-2-3 inning.

[Matt700wlw]

:phillips:

:jump:

Helllllooooo, Joe Morgan!

[RedFanAlways1966]

BP goes yard to left-center. His HRs are usually no doubters.

[Big Klu]

Congratulations to Brandon Phillips on tying Joe Morgan for the club single-season home run record by a second baseman! :thumbup:

[RedFanAlways1966]

35 runs allowed in the last 4 games... 11, 3, 10 & 11.

Is this the Cincinnati Suds?!? ;)

[Matt700wlw]

That was a long game.