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Matt700wlw
09-08-2007, 04:53 PM
Beermakers
Rickie Weeks 2B
Gabe Gross RF
Ryan Braun 3B
Prince Fielder 1B
Bill Hall CF
Geoff Jenkins LF
Damian Miller C
Craig Counsell SS
Jeff Suppan P

Redlegs
Norris Hopper CF
Alex Gonzalez SS
Ken Griffey Jr RF
Brandon Phillips 2B
Adam Dunn LF
Edwin Encarnacion 3B
Joey Votto 1B
David Ross C
Aaron Harang P


He was only 4 for 5 last night...no reason to play him...

KittyDuran
09-08-2007, 04:57 PM
Well, you got to get "Dennis" the at bats to keep him sharp...;) but it does seem old since Suppan is a righty. [haven't looked up his stats against Suppan].

Matt700wlw
09-08-2007, 05:01 PM
I'd love to see Hamilton, but a guy batting over .300 in his spot isn't too bad, I guess...;)

CTA513
09-08-2007, 05:03 PM
Career stats for the pitchers against the hitters (from ESPN)

Harang vs. Brewers
Rickie Weeks: 6 for 19 with 1 BB and 4 Ks
Gabe Gross: 4 for 7 with 1 double and 1 BB
Ryan Braun: 3 for 7 with 2 home runs, 2 RBIs and 3 Ks
Prince Fielder: 7 for 21 with 1 home run, 4 RBIs, 1 BB and 6 Ks
Bill Hall: 15 for 36 with 4 doubles, 1 triple, 3 home runs, 9 RBIs, 2 BB and 6 Ks
Geoff Jenkins: 9 for 36 with 4 doubles, 1 home run, 4 RBIs, 6 BB and 10 Ks
Damian Miller: 6 for 15 with a 1 double, 1 RBI, 3 BB and 5 Ks
Craig Counsell: 8 for 22 with 2 doubles, 2 RBIs, 2 BB and 3 Ks
Jeff Suppan: 0 for 1 with 1 K



Suppan vs. Reds
Norris Hopper: 0 At bats
Alex Gonzalez: 2 for 6 with 1 RBI, 2 BB and 2 Ks
Ken Griffey Jr: 12 for 25 with 2 doubles, 5 home runs, 12 RBIs, 3 BB and 1 K
Brandon Phillips: 4 for 8 with 1 double, 2 RBIs and 1 BB
Adam Dunn: 9 for 17 with 3 doubles, 1 home run, 3 RBIs, 7 BB and 3 Ks
Edwin Encarnacion: 2 for 6
Joey Votto: 0 at bats
David Ross: 2 for 4 with a double and 1 BB
Aaron Harang: 0 for 2

Dom Heffner
09-08-2007, 05:21 PM
Josh Hamilton should play everyday. This is like the Rockies sitting Matt Holiday so Jim Terkowitz can get at bats.

OnBaseMachine
09-08-2007, 05:25 PM
Josh Hamilton is the future. Norris Hopper is not. Play Hamilton everyday.

dougdirt
09-08-2007, 05:39 PM
I don't get it. Hamilton can't hit lefties that well. Does continuing to not play him against lefties help him hit lefties any better?

BTW, the middle of our line up is 25 for 50 with 6 HR (5 from Griffey), 6 doubles and 11 walks against Suppan.... I predict a win tonight.

OnBaseMachine
09-08-2007, 05:40 PM
I don't get it. Hamilton can't hit lefties that well. Does continuing to not play him against lefties help him hit lefties any better?

BTW, the middle of our line up is 25 for 50 with 6 HR (5 from Griffey), 6 doubles and 11 walks against Suppan.... I predict a win tonight.

Suppan is a righty, which makes it even more baffling that Hamilton is sitting.

flyer85
09-08-2007, 05:48 PM
Suppan is a righty, which makes it even more baffling that Hamilton is sitting.I'm guessing it has to do with the sore hammy.

redsmetz
09-08-2007, 05:51 PM
I'm guessing it has to do with the sore hammy.

That's what I'm guessing, plus just giving Hopper some AB's which Mackanin indicates he likes his subs to get. Now that we've officially beefed about it, Hopper ought to tear the cover off the ball.

:)

fearofpopvol1
09-08-2007, 05:56 PM
Glad to see Votto in the lineup again tonight.

Would like to see Keppinger get a start for Gonzo tonight...but other than that, not bad, not bad.

mth123
09-08-2007, 05:59 PM
I'm guessing it has to do with the sore hammy.

Then lets see Buck Coats against the RH. Its time to get a look at guys.

pedro
09-08-2007, 06:07 PM
I don't get it. Hamilton can't hit lefties that well. Does continuing to not play him against lefties help him hit lefties any better?



No, but not failing will help him keep his head straight IMO. The Reds are trying to use Hamilton is situations in which he'll succeed which I think is a good strategy for the time being.

flyer85
09-08-2007, 06:15 PM
Then lets see Buck Coats against the RH. Its time to get a look at guys.no doubt there is some serious manlove for the Happy Hopper.

dougdirt
09-08-2007, 06:25 PM
Well color me a moron for not making the righty connection.

And yes, moron is a color apparently.

TeamCasey
09-08-2007, 07:08 PM
I enjoyed Froemming's story. (sp?)

Matt700wlw
09-08-2007, 07:14 PM
Nice catch...

mbgrayson
09-08-2007, 07:17 PM
FWIW: Josh Hamilton against Suppan: 0 for 3 with 2 Ks.

LvJ
09-08-2007, 07:21 PM
Well color me a moron for not making the righty connection.

And yes, moron is a color apparently. Like a slightly darker red?

OnBaseMachine
09-08-2007, 07:35 PM
Dunn walks for the 90th time.

Matt700wlw
09-08-2007, 07:37 PM
VOTTO!!!!!

:jump:


Wow...he's good. REAL good.

CTA513
09-08-2007, 07:38 PM
Votto is going to love hitting at GABP.

OnBaseMachine
09-08-2007, 07:38 PM
Votto!!!

Opposite field.

BoydsOfSummer
09-08-2007, 07:39 PM
Vah-Toe, Vah-Toe Man....I want to be a Vah-Toe Man....

fearofpopvol1
09-08-2007, 07:39 PM
I'm really glad that Votto is making the most of this opportunity. I was worried for a minute that this organization was going to trade him (which still is within the realm of possibility, but hopefully this will solidify his spot in the long-term plans of the Reds.

OnBaseMachine
09-08-2007, 07:40 PM
I'm not sure who has more opposite field power, Hamilton or Votto?

Votto will hit 30 homers a year in this ballpark along with plenty of doubles and 85-100 walks.

Matt700wlw
09-08-2007, 07:40 PM
Maybe they should have traded Hatteberg...

LvJ
09-08-2007, 07:43 PM
Oh, hey... Votto is pretty decent. http://smiliesftw.com/x/hsughno.gif

fearofpopvol1
09-08-2007, 07:44 PM
Maybe they should have traded Hatteberg...

I think so too, but hindsight is 20/20. I think with his ridiculously cheap option and Votto being a question mark at the major league level, that was probably why they didn't. I understand it, but now they're in a strange predicament. What do you do now? Let Hatte and his production walk with a beyond reasonable contract for next year?

Spitball
09-08-2007, 07:45 PM
Maybe they should have traded Hatteberg...

Unless they plan to trade Dunn then send Votto to the instructional league to learn how to play left field. That said, I really hope it doesn't happen...but it could.

Matt700wlw
09-08-2007, 07:46 PM
Votto looks pretty good at first base


I'd leave him there.

Matt700wlw
09-08-2007, 07:50 PM
Nice snag by Junior

redsmetz
09-08-2007, 08:07 PM
Everybody fall asleep?

I've finally figured out why when I hear Jeff Brantley I think of a southern talking Jim Belushi

http://mlb.mlb.com/cin/components/team/jeff_brantley.jpg http://www.nndb.com/people/379/000025304/jb3-sized.jpg

Red in Chicago
09-08-2007, 08:08 PM
Well, this is about to get ugly, unless we can get a double play here

Red in Chicago
09-08-2007, 08:10 PM
Big time k for Harang :thumbup:

Red in Chicago
09-08-2007, 08:12 PM
Harang at 71 pitches already...

CTA513
09-08-2007, 08:14 PM
After Harang loaded the bases he just started firing fastballs by Jenkins and Miller.

OnBaseMachine
09-08-2007, 08:14 PM
Harang has 5 K's through 4 innings to give him 185 strikeouts on the season. It looks like he will reach 200 strikeouts again this season.

OnBaseMachine
09-08-2007, 08:18 PM
It's starting to look like Dunn may not reach 40 homers after going two weeks without hitting a homer.

mbgrayson
09-08-2007, 08:20 PM
Suppan at only 50 pitches through 4.

After 4, Reds 3, Brewers 0.

PuffyPig
09-08-2007, 08:31 PM
I think so too, but hindsight is 20/20. I think with his ridiculously cheap option and Votto being a question mark at the major league level, that was probably why they didn't. I understand it, but now they're in a strange predicament. What do you do now? Let Hatte and his production walk with a beyond reasonable contract for next year?

Hatteberg is just as tradeable now as before.

Matt700wlw
09-08-2007, 08:33 PM
They got Votto out...

Matt700wlw
09-08-2007, 08:40 PM
Fielder crushed that ball.

Crushed.

oneupper
09-08-2007, 08:40 PM
Harang leaving some pitches up.

OnBaseMachine
09-08-2007, 08:43 PM
Harang K's Hall and Jenkins after the Fielder homer. Strikeouts number 186 and 187 on the season for Harang.

OnBaseMachine
09-08-2007, 09:11 PM
Dunn walks for the 91st time. 3-2 Reds bottom 7. EdE now up with 0 outs and Dunn on first.

OnBaseMachine
09-08-2007, 09:12 PM
Edwin single. First and second for Votto.

Votto flies out to left.

mbgrayson
09-08-2007, 09:14 PM
Cantu has a helmet on in the dugout...

mbgrayson
09-08-2007, 09:21 PM
Why not use Hamilton there? I wonder if it is the hammy bothering him.

dougdirt
09-08-2007, 09:21 PM
Why not use Hamilton there? I wonder if it is the hammy bothering him.

it is.

Matt700wlw
09-08-2007, 09:22 PM
Why not use Hamilton there? I wonder if it is the hammy bothering him.

They said it was, which means my comments about him not being in the lineup were not warranted.

I'm sure that's not the first time I've said some not warranted. :p:

OnBaseMachine
09-08-2007, 09:31 PM
Yet another blown save for Harang. He should have about 20 wins right now.

Matt700wlw
09-08-2007, 09:32 PM
Not a very good throw...

Hamilton and Bruce nail Fielder :p:

OnBaseMachine
09-08-2007, 09:33 PM
Votto is going to hit a walkoff HR.:D

SteelSD
09-08-2007, 09:36 PM
Well, on the bright side, that's a better 8th Inning than we're used to seeing...

...and I picked up 300 bucks worth of toys today at a swap meet for 30 bucks.

Matt700wlw
09-08-2007, 09:46 PM
And it took Weathers absolutely no time to blow the tie.

Way to be.

RedFanAlways1966
09-08-2007, 09:47 PM
Yet another blown save for Harang. He should have about 20 wins right now.

Tonight is the 5th time this season that Harang has been the victim of a blown save.

Starter - Blown Saves When Starting
(1) Harang - 5 blown saves
(1) Belisle - 5 blown saves
(3) Arroyo - 4 blown saves
(4) Livingston - 3 blown saves
(5) Bailey - 2 blown saves
(5) Milton - 2 blown saves
(7) Dumatrait, Ramirez & Shearn - 1 blown save EA

Red in Chicago
09-08-2007, 09:57 PM
the bats have been absolutely silent since votto's home run. three hits against the likes of suppan says a lot. tonight will be a tough loss, especially considered that dumatrait is going tomorrrow:rolleyes:

oneupper
09-08-2007, 10:03 PM
Yep. BP and all, this one was squarely on the offense.

Strike zone was tight, but everyone was up there hacking.

alloverjr
09-08-2007, 10:41 PM
Why not use Hamilton there? I wonder if it is the hammy bothering him.

I was watching the football game and periodically flipping to the Reds. I saw this and figured that Hamilton was probably hurt again, but was there something wrong with Hatteburg? Valentine?

Ltlabner
09-08-2007, 11:00 PM
Just got home. Ugly, ugly loss.

Heart stopped and didn't start again until Jr started moving again after that great catch up against the RF wall.

The 9th inning was horrable. BPhill swings at three pitches. Dunner looked ugly on a few swings. Someone else said it, but this one is on the offense. Missed oportunities caught up with them later.

Ltlabner
09-08-2007, 11:06 PM
Crowd was dead as a door-nail too.

KittyDuran
09-08-2007, 11:12 PM
Crowd was dead as a door-nail too.Well, the Brewers fans were lively...;)

KittyDuran
09-08-2007, 11:12 PM
Oh, and Chip lost not one but two beer bets...:beerme::p:

Ltlabner
09-08-2007, 11:15 PM
Well, the Brewers fans were lively...;)

Boy, they did have that lower seating section out past the visitors dougout taken over didn't they?

:thumbdown

redsfan4445
09-08-2007, 11:20 PM
well Jerry Narron showed up tonight..
1) Lets Ross bat hitting .200 with Valentin or Hatteburg and Hamilton not good enough to bat in that situation. in the 7th.
2) Then next batter pinch hit? Cantu..RH...
3) Top of 8th 2nd and 3rd one out.. DOESN'T walk fly ball hitting Jenkins to set up a double play. what does he do? hits SF!
4) Bottom of ninth. need a run to tie, DOESNT pinch hit HOMERUN threat Hamilton for Hopper!!
All managing skills of Narron

oneupper
09-08-2007, 11:42 PM
Cards and D'backs in a wild one. 9-7 Snakes after 4.

Pujols is a HR away from the cycle.

WVRedsFan
09-09-2007, 12:08 AM
Glad I missed it. Ever notice that when Ross plays and Hamilton does not, the offense suffers?

Aaron Harang didn't get the support he needed tonight and the result, 7 innings of two-run ball lost by Burton and Weathers.

Weathers gets a lot of kudos, but he is so hittable that he has no business coming in with a game on the line. He's been lucky this year and that's OK once in awhile, but not game after game after game.

All of this probably doesn't matter in the whole scheme of things, but I hate it for Aaron Harang. If he doesn't win the Cy Young, you can look at the 5 blown saves added to his record and you can see what I mean. For all of the wheeling and dealing Krivsky has done, he still hasn't assembled a suitable bullpen and that is the most damning part of his tenure. For those that support him, there is no reason to complain about Harang's lack of respect or this team's position. 24 blown saves. If we could have won half of those, we could be in the race.

redsfan4445
09-09-2007, 03:31 AM
32 blown saves last season..24 this season!!! its amazing if the Reds had a bullpen they would be in the playoffs!!