9.18.2007 Reds @ Cubs - Game Thread

[RedLegSuperStar]

C Trent -


Hopper cf
Keppinger ss
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Votto 1b
Valentin c
Harang p

USA Today -


Alfonso Soriano LF
Ryan Theriot SS
Derrek Lee 1B
Aramis Ramirez 3B
Matt Murton RF
Mark DeRosa 2B
Jacque Jones CF
Jason Kendall C
Carlos Zambrano P

[RedsManRick]

Look for me in the 2nd deck behind home plate. I'll be the one making his non-sports-fan girl friend wear Reds gear against her wishes...

[Matt700wlw]

Look for me in the 2nd deck behind home plate. I'll be the one making his non-sports-fan girl friend wear Reds gear against her wishes...

I'll look for her :D

[RedLegSuperStar]

Not a big fan of these games starting at 8

[Matt700wlw]

Not a big fan of these games starting at 8

Well...if you're in Chicago, it starts at 7 :D

[VR]

Well...if you're in Chicago, it starts at 7 :D


What are you talking about? The game starts at 5.


Hope to see the Reds beat Zambrano for the 4th time this year.

[Matt700wlw]

What are you talking about? The game starts at 5.


Hope to see the Reds beat Zambrano for the 4th time this year.

In Hawaii it starts at 3

[mbgrayson]

Not a big fan of these games starting at 8
Here in Montana it starts at 6....

[Red in Chicago]

Last night I went to bed so angry that I literally watched the clock tick away for almost two hours. It was after midnight by the time I drifted off. We better not have a repeat tonight.

And my day in the office was not much fun either.

[Matt700wlw]

Great at bat to start off the game

[RedLegSuperStar]

dang Zambrano throwing at Reds players again..

[mbgrayson]

Kepp hit for the second day in a row....I think.

[Red in Chicago]

Grif sure has been swinging to no avail at those high pitches lately.

[RedLegSuperStar]

wasted.. you have got to move those runners in some fashion

[penantboundreds]

When was Griff's last day off? He seems slow...

[penantboundreds]

Are you claiming he was drunk Redsleg?

[DoogMinAmo]

Griff seems like he needs a day off.

[Matt700wlw]

Another stint of horrible base running by the Cincinnati Reds

[RedLegSuperStar]

Phillips base knock.. moves to 2nd on the throw.. hopper scores and keppinger out at 3rd

[RedLegSuperStar]

Are you claiming he was drunk Redsleg?

No.. Dunn plays drunk(so i've heard).. Griffey just failed to move the runners over

[RedLegSuperStar]

Dunn walks for the 96th time this year.. brings up Edwin

[DoogMinAmo]

Dunn with the unintentional, then intentional walk. EdE up.

[RedLegSuperStar]

ewww... bad call!

[Red in Chicago]

ee with the rbi...z-man's pitch count approaching 30 already:beerme:

[RedLegSuperStar]

2-0 and runners at 2nd and 3rd with Edwin getting a bloop hit

[DoogMinAmo]

I simply love how the Reds hit Zambrano. Anything that angers that man makes me happier.

[RedLegSuperStar]

Votto flys out to LF and its 2-0 after a 1/2 inning

[Red in Chicago]

I simply love how the Reds hit Zambrano. Anything that angers that man makes me happier.

Exactly. He's the type of pitcher that you need to get rattled early in the game to keep him from being effective.

[mbgrayson]

Plus Zambrano has 28 pitches already....

[Red in Chicago]

Harang needs to put up a goose egg here to keep the momentum

[penantboundreds]

Chris Welsh just made a good point....your fastball at the end of the year might not be what it is at the beginning so pitching later in the season is a lot harder. Harang will get some good experience doing that this year and hopefully will be ready for the playoffs next year

[RedLegSuperStar]

Soriano grounds to Gold Glover to be Brandon Phillips

[RedLegSuperStar]

Theriot down on strikes

[penantboundreds]

is derek lee hitting .300? ask george grande he put it in his notes before the game..

[RedLegSuperStar]

Lee pops up to Votto in foul territory

[mbgrayson]

Chris Welsh just made a good point....your fastball at the end of the year might not be what it is at the beginning so pitching later in the season is a lot harder. Harang will get some good experience doing that this year and hopefully will be ready for the playoffs next year

Harang hitting 90-92 according to GameDay.

[RedLegSuperStar]

Javy pokes a double off the LF wall

[RedLegSuperStar]

you can bet Harang will be bunting him over

[RedLegSuperStar]

Zambrano thought about 3rd.. and bobbles.. .. but gets Harang at 1st.. Javy to 3rd

[RedLegSuperStar]

Hopper sneaks one between 1st and 2nd 3-0

[Matt700wlw]

Beat the Cub-bies, beat them!

:clap: :clap:

Beat the Cub-bies, beat them!

:clap: :clap:

[RedLegSuperStar]

Hit and run.. hopper safe at 2nd and keppinger out at 1st

[penantboundreds]

zambrano looks in as to get the call....rattttttled!

[RedLegSuperStar]

Junior hits a deep out to Soriano

[RedLegSuperStar]

Votto on back to back plays battling the wind at wrigley.. catches a foul ball for an out

[BCubb2003]

Harang will get some good experience doing that this year and hopefully will be ready for the playoffs next year

They're going to trade Harang???

[RedLegSuperStar]

Murton K's looking

[RedLegSuperStar]

Reds retire DeRosa finally as he flies out to Junion

[DoogMinAmo]

7 pitch inning for Harang, 21 for the game. 8 of those 21 were Derek Lee's AB.

[RedLegSuperStar]

Phillips works the count full and then takes ball 4

[oneupper]

Ben Sheets out after 1 inning in Houston. Apparent leg injury.

[RedLegSuperStar]

I just want to say Phillips.. Thank You! You've given me some great fantasy points as of late!

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang has two K's to put him at 194 for the season.

[DoogMinAmo]

What are Dunn's stats vs. Zambrano, he seems to get nothing to hit tonight?

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn walks again, his 97th of the season.

[RedLegSuperStar]

Dunn works the count as well to full and takes ball 4.. #97 for the year

[RedLegSuperStar]

Zambrano won't make it past the 5th inning.. mark my word

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn has a career .971 OPS vs Zambrano, including six homers. I believe he has three HR against Zambrano this year (two on Opening Day).

[penantboundreds]

is zambrano getting booed?

[DoogMinAmo]

Zambrano won't make it past the 5th inning.. mark my word

And there were media outlets ridiculing the Reds for their extensions to Harang and Arroyo, both of which have either equalled or outperformed Z. And he is making how much a year?

[RedLegSuperStar]

with Zambrano not able to throw strikes.. I don't blame Edwin for not bunting.. although he should be

[penantboundreds]

that was a reallly reallllly good pitch by Z

[RedLegSuperStar]

Edwin ground into a DP and gets Phillips to 3rd

[RedLegSuperStar]

Votto with a solid hit.. but finds Jones glove

[OnBaseMachine]

Votto smoked that but right at Jones.

[RedLegSuperStar]

Jones hits one.. just at soon to be Gold Glover Brandon Phillips

[OnBaseMachine]

Error on Phillips.

[Matt700wlw]

A rare miscue by Phillips, the league leader in fielding percentage.

[DoogMinAmo]

Jones hits one.. just at soon to be Gold Glover Brandon Phillips

irony.

[Red in Chicago]

blame the error on redlegsuperstar;)

[RedLegSuperStar]

crap.. jinx myself.. as Kendall hits it to Phillips and Phillips with a miscue

[OnBaseMachine]

And Phillips follows that error up with a great play.

[RedLegSuperStar]

sorry guys!

[Red in Chicago]

How can you not like BP?

[Red in Chicago]

Is it me, or has Edwin's d been a little more shaky the last week or two?

[oneupper]

Phillips upset that he didn't make a better flip to Kepp.

EdE recovers to get Z at second.

Shaky D...but effective in the end.

[DoogMinAmo]

Is it me, or has Edwin's d been a little more shaky the last week or two?

Shaky? What happened?

[RedLegSuperStar]

by the way Harang still has the no-no working

[RedLegSuperStar]

Javy flies out to Jones in CF

[Red in Chicago]

by the way Harang still has the no-no working

now you've done it:p:

[Red in Chicago]

Shaky? What happened?

not much, just a sharply hit ball that wasn't initially picked clean. he recovered in time

[RedLegSuperStar]

Harang did a great job of continuing the Reds success of making Zambrano toss some pitches

[RedLegSuperStar]

Zambrano gets the Reds 1-2-3

[VR]

And there were media outlets ridiculing the Reds for their extensions to Harang and Arroyo, both of which have either equalled or outperformed Z. And he is making how much a year?


I noticed Arroyo is 11th in the NL in K's this year. That's a pleasant surprise, considering the great concern when he was acquired.

[oneupper]

Estrada Grand Slam. Brewers 5 Astros 1.

[DoogMinAmo]

Harang allows back to back singles after starting off each hitter 0-2

[Red in Chicago]

Harang trying his best to make this inning "interesting".

[Matt700wlw]

Harang trying his best to make this inning "interesting".

Maybe he was getting bored :D

[Red in Chicago]

Crowd back in this game. Harang always seems to have that one inning where he struggles after things were going so smoothly.

[DoogMinAmo]

Then Harang starts off Derosa 1-2, only to walk him. Bases loaded, 2 out

[VR]

Maybe he was getting bored :D

Mark DeRosa owns the Reds.

[Red in Chicago]

Ridiculous...all this after two outs...Jacque freakin' Jones. UGH:rolleyes:

[oneupper]

BP miscalculated that ball. IMO,

[OnBaseMachine]

Only the Reds.

Two outs, nobody on base and an 0-2 count on the third hitter. Ten minutes later the Cusb score two runs.

Only the Reds.

[mbgrayson]

I thought if Griffey was charging and throwing on that hit, he had a shot at getting the runner at the plate. Continued lackadasical play, IMHO.

[Red in Chicago]

Reds need to get into Zambrano's head again this inning. Can't let him get on a roll.

[Red in Chicago]

Jones doing an Edmonds out there:rolleyes:

[oneupper]

Zambrano at 87 pitches.

[mbgrayson]

Reds need to get into Zambrano's head again this inning. Can't let him get on a roll.

Too late...he's rolling. He is at 87 pitches after 5 though. (and he is on 3 days rest...)

[Red in Chicago]

The Reds seem to be suffering from a power shortage. How many homers have they hit in the last couple of weeks?

[Red in Chicago]

Why does Javy even bother throwing the ball?

[remdog]

Why does Javy even bother throwing the ball?

He missed the pitcher. It was just ironic that the Cubs runner was going. :lol:

Rem

[Matt700wlw]

:ede:

:jump:

[oneupper]

Big one by EdE.

[remdog]

EdE hit that one pretty dang well. Halfway up the bleachers.

Rem

[remdog]

Votto with a single. Z gone.

Rem

[oneupper]

Zambrano at 100 pitches.

[VR]

Votto with a single. Z gone.

Rem


Lookin to be 1-4 vs the Reds this year. But he's an ace, not Harang.

[Red in Chicago]

Votto sleeping

[Matt700wlw]

Oops...Votto.

[Red in Chicago]

Marmol's tough. Can't be giving those outs away

[oneupper]

Votto pulls a Freel.

[remdog]

On a side note, post counter doesn't seem to be working.

Rem

[Red in Chicago]

On a side note, post counter doesn't seem to be working.

Rem

I think someone brought this up a week or two ago, but I never saw the outcome.

[Red in Chicago]

Harang at 91 pitches. 6 K's so far.

[Red in Chicago]

Here we go. Walks Kendall

[CTA513]

Harang walks Kendall to start the bottom of the 7th.

[oneupper]

Floyd to PH.

[Red in Chicago]

Big double play there.

[oneupper]

107 pitches for Harang. Nice Job. Should be all.

[Matt700wlw]

Burton for the 8th...and not Weathers in the 9th, please.

:D

[Red in Chicago]

Harang at 107 pitches. Does he pitch the 8th?

[BCubb2003]

Does Red in Chicago have an endorsement deal for his avatar?

[remdog]

I think someone brought this up a week or two ago, but I never saw the outcome.


I've been gone for a few days. I thought Krono was on vacation. :lol:

Rem

[RedLegSuperStar]

Harang at 107 pitches. Does he pitch the 8th?

I think tonight we see Burton close.. could be Stanton, Bray, or Majewski in the 8th

[oneupper]

I think tonight we see Burton close.. could be Stanton, Bray, or Majewski in the 8th

It will be Burton in the 8th and Weathers in the 9th.
Mark my words.

[remdog]

Lee makes a good play on a well-hit ball by Jr. but I think Jr. needs a day off.

Rem

[Red in Chicago]

Wow, September is just killing Jr.

[VR]

Griff scufflin in Sept. Ops at 521

[oneupper]

Jr can't buy a hit. What a terrible slump he's in.

[remdog]

The Cubs have a poll going asking who should pitch a deciding game to get into the playoffs, if it comes to that. Right now, 60+% say: Ted Lilly.

Rem

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn walks for the third time tonight and 98th time this season.

[Red in Chicago]

Sure could use some insurance runs here Edwin;)

[oneupper]

Dunn walks for the third time and 98th time this season.

Still doubting if he makes 100?

[RedLegSuperStar]

Dunn could get his 40th homer and purhaps 100th walk by the end of this series

[oneupper]

Kerry Wood in to pitch.

[NJReds]

Mets blow a 4 run lead and lose to the Nats, 9-8. If the Phillies beat the Cards tonight, they'll only be 1.5 out. The Mets had a 7 game lead w/17 games left. They couldn't choke that away, could they?

[Cyclone792]

Dunn walks for the third time tonight and 98th time this season.

Dunn has 40 walks in 181 plate appearances since August 1st, and that's a PA/BB rate of 4.53. Projected over a full season of 650 plate appearances for Dunn, that's 144 walks.

[oneupper]

EdE hitting .388 in September.

[Matt700wlw]

Kerry Wood can still bring it

[remdog]

Mets blow a 4 run lead and lose to the Nats, 9-8. If the Phillies beat the Cards tonight, they'll only be 1.5 out. The Mets had a 7 game lead w/17 games left. They couldn't choke that away, could they?

Phillies, '64.

Rem

[Matt700wlw]

Kerry Wood looks a lot smaller than he did before his injury......




Hmmmmmm....

[oneupper]

Votto pops out.

Please don't leave them loaded Javy!

[Red in Chicago]

Whew...that was a big run there. Good eye Javy

[remdog]

Kerry Wood looks a lot smaller than he did before his injury....




Hmmmmmm....

Interesting. I was thinking how skinny Wood looked. Hmmmmm, indeed.

Rem

[oneupper]

That was a close one...but a ball. Good AB by Javy.

[Matt700wlw]

Cantu hitting

[remdog]

Interesting. I was thinking how skinny Wood looked. Hmmmmm, indeed.

Rem

Gotta admit though, Wood can still throw heat.

Rem

[oneupper]

Cantu grounds out. Well, at least we got one.

[Matt700wlw]

Gotta admit though, Wood can still throw heat.

Rem

yes he can - 96 mph range.

[Red in Chicago]

Yanks win, Sox lose. Lead down to 2.5.

[remdog]

Odd, but I find myself pulling for the Yanks.

Rem

[NJReds]

Yanks win, Sox lose. Lead down to 2.5.

Gagne came in with a 2-1 lead in the 8th and gave up a quick 3 runs. I'm sure he's a fan fave in Boston.

[VR]

Odd, but I find myself pulling for the Yanks.

Rem

When is the last time you were drug tested?

[Red in Chicago]

Burton with another solid outing...Keep him in there for the 9th.

[oneupper]

Burton blows through Cubs 3-4-5 hitters. Nice.

[Matt700wlw]

I'm all about Jardod Burton....

Let him pitch the 9th

[remdog]

Cubs announcers are talking about the Reds protest of yesterday.

They said that they initally agreed with the Reds that they had grounds. However, they said that there was an additional 'guidebook' that the umpires have that would seem to support the Cubs.

They also said that the protesting team had to pay $25,000 to persue the protest.

Personally, I would doubt that the protest would be upheld but I don't think I've ever heard of paying $25k to persue a protest.

Anyone ever hear of this or can shead some light on it?

Rem

[remdog]

When is the last time you were drug tested?

Drugs are no problem. Just don't ask for a breathalizer. :lol:

Rem

[oneupper]

Cubs announcers are talking about the Reds protest of yesterday.

They said that they initally agreed with the Reds that they had grounds. However, they said that there was an additional 'guidebook' that the umpires have that would seem to support the Cubs.

They also said that the protesting team had to pay $25,000 to persue the protest.

Personally, I would doubt that the protest would be upheld but I don't think I've ever heard of paying $25k to persue a protest.

Anyone ever hear of this or can shead some light on it?

Rem

In Trent's blog he was saying the REDS will probably drop it.

[TeamBoone]

Cubs announcers are talking about the Reds protest of yesterday.

They said that they initally agreed with the Reds that they had grounds. However, they said that there was an additional 'guidebook' that the umpires have that would seem to support the Cubs.

They also said that the protesting team had to pay $25,000 to persue the protest.

Personally, I would doubt that the protest would be upheld but I don't think I've ever heard of paying $25k to persue a protest.

Anyone ever hear of this or can shead some light on it?

Rem

My concern with this? Why doesn't each manager get that manual too?

If a rule changes, shouldn't they all be notified at the start of the season?

[OnBaseMachine]

Burton once again got squeezed on a very close 2-2 pitch to Murton but then got him to fly out on the 3-2 pitch. Yet another very impressive inning by Jared Burton, who not only has emerged as the Reds best reliever but also as one of the best in the league since the All-Star break.

[Matt700wlw]

Weathers warming up...

Don't blow this one, Stormy

[RFS62]

Brennamen boys are misidentifying the pitcher

[oneupper]

My concern with this? Why doesn't each manager get that manual too?

If a rule changes, shouldn't they all be notified at the start of the season?

Apparently its like a more detailed procedural guide. Rule hasn't changed.

[BCubb2003]

Cubs announcers are talking about the Reds protest of yesterday.

They said that they initally agreed with the Reds that they had grounds. However, they said that there was an additional 'guidebook' that the umpires have that would seem to support the Cubs.

They also said that the protesting team had to pay $25,000 to persue the protest.

Personally, I would doubt that the protest would be upheld but I don't think I've ever heard of paying $25k to persue a protest.

Anyone ever hear of this or can shead some light on it?

Rem


chicagotribune.com
Reds' protest unlikely to pay off
By Dave van Dyck

Tribune staff reporter

11:54 PM CDT, September 17, 2007

Although the Reds announced they would play Monday night's 7-6 loss to the Cubs under protest, they do not have a legitimate case, according to umpire crew chief Rick Reed.

The supposed violation came in the top of the sixth inning when Cubs manager Lou Piniella walked to the mound to remove pitcher Michael Wuertz.

Piniella crossed the foul line, then told Reed he would be making a double switch.

Cincinnati manager Pete Mackanin immediately argued and then protested, stating the rules claim a manager has to go directly to an umpire before making a double switch.

"Why I knew the rule is because it happened to me," Mackanin said.

But Reed said the umpiring manual book, separate from the official rules, does indeed allow for a manager to make a switch after crossing the foul line — if it is on the first visit to the mound.

Reed read Rule 3.5 from the manual: "There is no requirement the manager or coach announce to the umpire a double switch before coming across the foul line."

Reed then said, "On the first trip the manager has the option, as long as he doesn't call the pitcher in and make that move first, to make that double switch after he gets to the mound."

The Reds can continue with the protest, which is reported to cost $25,000, or they can withdraw it. Reed will send the information to the commissioner's office, which would make a final ruling if the Reds follow through with their protest.

[remdog]

In Trent's blog he was saying the REDS will probably drop it.

I agree. The Reds will probably drop it. The $25k cost was something that I don't think I've ever heard of though.

Rem

[Matt700wlw]

Griffey's a trooper....

[oneupper]

Jr with a single. Nice to see.

[RFS62]

Marty and Thom are yapping on about how good Bobby Howry looks, and Wuertz is in there pitching.

[remdog]

My concern with this? Why doesn't each manager get that manual too?

If a rule changes, shouldn't they all be notified at the start of the season?

I share you're concern TB. But, maybe the managers do get this manual and Mackanin just wasn't aware of the extenuating circumstances.

Rem

[remdog]

Thanks BCubb. That post was very helpful.

Rem

[OnBaseMachine]

Phillips refused that walk.

[RFS62]

I'm not kidding. Marty and Thom went the entire inning thinking Howry was pitching. They went on and on about how good he looks.

He's not pitching. It's Wuertz.

[oneupper]

Didn't Wuertz strike out the side on nine pitches against the REDS a year or two ago?
(or something like that)

[BCubb2003]

I'm not kidding. Marty and Thom went the entire inning thinking Howry was pitching. They went on and on about how good he looks.

He's not pitching. It's Wuertz.

So we can assume that Wuertz looks better than Howry?

[OnBaseMachine]

Weathers is at it again.

[Matt700wlw]

Here we go...

[remdog]

I'm not kidding. Marty and Thom went the entire inning thinking Howry was pitching. They went on and on about how good he looks.

He's not pitching. It's Wuertz.

Marty and Thom are a disappointing tandum.

Rem

[oneupper]

Weathers for redemption.

[RFS62]

It was hilarious. They made reference after reference about him, talking about how good he looks.

[remdog]

Here we go...

That's exactly what the Cubs announcers said. :lol:

Rem

[RFS62]

Matt, any explanation?

[Matt700wlw]

Bad throw...

[Matt700wlw]

Matt, any explanation?

I have no idea..I didn't notice, to be honest with you

[RFS62]

These freakin' Brennamens are at it again, this time Marty is ragging on Phillips.

[Matt700wlw]

New nickname for Weathers...

Iffy...David "Iffy" Weathers

[OnBaseMachine]

These freakin' Brennamens are at it again, this time Marty is ragging on Phillips.

What's he saying?

[RFS62]

I have no idea..I didn't notice, to be honest with you



You should ask them if they ever saw Howry pitch any better than tonight.

[remdog]

Marty has crossed the line from annoncer to editorialist. And, I wasn't too thrilled with Thom as announcer in Phoenix.

Rem

[Matt700wlw]

What's he saying?

Said the throw from Phillips to Keppinger was a "hot dog" throw instead of a nice clean toss...so Keppinger was rushed.


Or something like that.

[Tom Servo]

haw haw!

[RFS62]

What's he saying?


Going after Phillips for hot dogging the toss to Keppinger on the DP attempt. Thom disagreed.

[Matt700wlw]

Iffy!

Reds win!

[CTA513]

Good bounce back for Weathers after yesterdays performance.

[remdog]

Ward looked like a statue while the strike was right down the middle.

Harang beats Z, once again.

Rem

[TeamBoone]

George just said the Reds filed the protest. Jeff says they should, or they shouldn't have protested at all if they didn't plan to follow it through. Thing is, PM didn't have the rule right. He's got to know the Reds won't win the protest, so why waste $25,000? Oops, wait! I think I just heard Butcher on the PA in the background say there would be no filing fee.

Marty's got one big nerve ragging on Phillips. I truly believe he thinks everyone of these players is a robot and will not accept less than perfect from them.

Good win Reds! Wahoo!

[oneupper]

REDS beat Cubs 5-2.

Harang goes to 16-4.

Order restored in the universe.

Tommorow Tom "Luck of the Irish" Shearn vs. Ted "Tiger" Lilly

[OnBaseMachine]

9-1 Brewers in the 9th. The Brewers will move into first place in the loss column ahead of the Cubs.

[remdog]

Now the Cubs announcers are saying that there is no fee for persueing the protest.

I didn't think I'd ever heard of a fee before and apparently that's correct.

I still doubt if the protest holds water though.

Rem

[Matt700wlw]

Marty's got one big nerve ragging on Phillips. I truly believe he thinks everyone of these players is a robot and will not accept less than perfect from them.

Good win Reds! Wahoo!

Believe me, Marty wants nothing more than to see the Reds ruin the Cubs season...

He feels the same away about them as we do....

[TeamBoone]

Marty has crossed the line from annoncer to editorialist. And, I wasn't too thrilled with Thom as announcer in Phoenix.

Rem

I truly think Thom has improved this year with the Reds. I wasn't impressed during the first several months of the season, but I think he's gotten progressively better. And I really like that he's not his Dad's yes man (for the most part). He's probably the only one who can get away with it.

PS -- I just love Edwin. What a sweet humble guy.

[TeamBoone]

Believe me, Marty wants nothing more than to see the Reds ruin the Cubs season...

He feels the same away about them as we do.

Ummmm, I didn't say he doesn't.

[remdog]

Believe me, Marty wants nothing more than to see the Reds ruin the Cubs season...

He feels the same away about them as we do.

It's just that he isn't an objective announcer anymore.

Rem

[VR]

REDS beat Cubs 5-2.

Harang goes to 16-4.

Order restored in the universe.

Tommorow Tom "Luck of the Irish" Shearn vs. Ted "Tiger" Lilly

don't miss the start of the game. Reds will throw up a 5 spot for sure.

[Matt700wlw]

It's just that he isn't an objective announcer anymore.

Rem

Is this what we're going to worry about after driving another thorn into the sides of the loveable Cubbies? If Marty had a good game or not...which is all opinion anyway?

Come on...

[VR]

PS -- I just love Edwin. What a sweet humble guy.

sweet, humble, and a 950 OPSer w/RISP :thumbup:

[Matt700wlw]

Ummmm, I didn't say he doesn't.

He was probably as nervous about Weathers as we were...making him get extra outs doesn't help

[remdog]

PS -- I just love Edwin. What a sweet humble guy.

I like Edwin too. And, I agree that he's a humble guy. Which, IMO, leads some people to think that he has no fire but I think that that is a bad read and not true.

Rem

[remdog]

Is this what we're going to worry about after driving another thorn into the sides of the loveable Cubbies? If Marty had a good game or not...which is all opinion anyway?

Come on...

You come on....This isn't about one game with the Cubs. Marty hasn't been objective for years! But, then again, you're probably too young to ever have heard Marty be objective. ;)

Rem

[Matt700wlw]

Harang now 16-4...with 2 more starts, it looks like.

[Matt700wlw]

You come on....This isn't about one game with the Cubs. Marty hasn't been objective for years! But, then again, you're probably too young to ever have heard Marty be objective. ;)

Rem

I have no problem with his style, or his criticisms....don't always agree with them, but people don't always agree with the stuff I say...


Let's not get into this again :cool:

[Matt700wlw]

Quite honestly, with the Reds having to travel out west tomorrow after the game, and having to play Thursday night, tomorrow's game should be a day game.


Of course, I don't make the schedule.

[remdog]

Let's not get into this again :cool:

Why not. It's a reasonable topic. You can't simply defend him and then say, 'let's not talk about it anymore'.

Rem

[KittyDuran]

I have no problem with his style, or his criticisms....don't always agree with them, but people don't always agree with the stuff I say...


Let's not get into this again :cool:Why not? It's always a good time for Marty bashin'!!! http://lastperson.suncircle.org/Smileys/default/DeadH.gif ;)

Uh-oh...http://lastperson.suncircle.org/Smileys/default/outtahere.gif

[CTA513]

If I added everything up correctly these are Zambranos stats for his starts against the Reds this season:

28.2 Innings, 34 Hits, 21 Runs, 17 BB, 11 K

[Matt700wlw]

Why not. It's a reasonable topic. You can't simply defend him and then say, 'let's not talk about it anymore'.

Rem


There's 800 threads already that cover it :)

[remdog]

There's 800 threads already that cover it :)


And there will probably be 800 more....:)

Believe me, there is no way anyone will cut off debate on Marty until he's gone. And then (unless he's dead) the threads will switch to why Marty should be brought back. :lol:

Rem

[Matt700wlw]

And there will probably be 800 more....:)

Believe me, there is no way anyone will cut off debate on Marty until he's gone. And then (unless he's dead) the threads will switch to why Marty should be brought back. :lol:

Rem

Probably :lol:

[DoogMinAmo]

I agree. The Reds will probably drop it. The $25k cost was something that I don't think I've ever heard of though.

Rem

Milwaukee may end up paying that 25K

[TeamBoone]

Quite honestly, with the Reds having to travel out west tomorrow after the game, and having to play Thursday night, tomorrow's game should be a day game.


Of course, I don't make the schedule.

Whomever puts the schedules together really had it in for the Reds this year.

[WVRedsFan]

Is this what we're going to worry about after driving another thorn into the sides of the loveable Cubbies? If Marty had a good game or not...which is all opinion anyway?

Come on...

It's all Marty's fault. It was a hot dog throw and not wise, but Phillips is the bomb right now so any criticism of him is taboo.

What difference dows it make in the whole scheme of things? George loves the Cards and "Albert' and Jeff likes to giggle and laugh. The perfect pbp man would get flak here.

[redsmetz]

Quite honestly, with the Reds having to travel out west tomorrow after the game, and having to play Thursday night, tomorrow's game should be a day game.

Of course, I don't make the schedule.

I was very disappointed that one of the games wasn't a day game, at Wrigley of all places!

[TeamBoone]

Normally, I would think today's game would have been during the day, especially with the Reds having to fly to the west coast afterward.

But I think the reason it isn't is because it's on ESPN tonight, and I'm sure they don't give a darn about the players.