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Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 04:54 PM
Hopper cf
Keppinger ss
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Votto 1b
Ross c
Shearn p

Razor Shines
09-19-2007, 05:00 PM
One big worry for next year that I think has all but disappeared is the question of third base. I've been so happy to see Edwin come on very strong toward the end of the season.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 05:01 PM
Freel has become expendable...




Was he really ever not expendable?

Razor Shines
09-19-2007, 05:03 PM
Freel has become expendable...




Was he really ever not expendable?

no

RedLegSuperStar
09-19-2007, 05:04 PM
One big worry for next year that I think has all but disappeared is the question of third base. I've been so happy to see Edwin come on very strong toward the end of the season.

Yeah.. when he was sent down.. I was worrying if the hype didn't meet the product. But since his call-up he has been playing great and hitting at or above .300 with some pop.

RedLegSuperStar
09-19-2007, 05:05 PM
Freel has become expendable...




Was he really ever not expendable?

I get that feeling too.. with Hopper and Keppinger.. the possibility of Hatteberg and Javy returning.. Cantu and Votto.. someone is going to have to go..

oneupper
09-19-2007, 05:08 PM
Freel has become expendable...




Was he really ever not expendable?

Freel's extension, IMO was WK's second biggest mistake to date (yes, bigger than THE TRADE, Rheal Cormier, Mike Stanton).

REDs owe $7 mm to guy they don't need and NOBODY will want.

LaRue's contract was DanO's doing, so WK had no problem shipping him off to KC with some cash. (KC loved that one).

Doubtful he would do the same with Freel.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 05:10 PM
I get that feeling too.. with Hopper and Keppinger.. the possibility of Hatteberg and Javy returning.. Cantu and Votto.. someone is going to have to go..

I think they'll let Hatteberg walk...

I'd love to have him off the bench, but I don't know if he'll want that role.

pedro
09-19-2007, 05:21 PM
I think they'll let Hatteberg walk...

I'd love to have him off the bench, but I don't know if he'll want that role.

I think they'll keep him. He's not going anywhere else to start and Cincinnati seems to suit him. Remember, everyone pretty much thought his career was done 2 years ago.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 05:22 PM
That's true.

Hopefully they do keep him around then, as Votto's backup.

RedsManRick
09-19-2007, 05:31 PM
I think they'll let Hatteberg walk...

I'd love to have him off the bench, but I don't know if he'll want that role.

Luckily it's a team option. What Hatteberg wants isn't really what decides if he comes back or not; Unless you think he'll threaten retirement. They'd at least exercise the option and then trade him somewhere.

Heath
09-19-2007, 05:38 PM
Tom Shearn in Wrigley.

If the wind is blowing out.............. :yikes:

klw
09-19-2007, 05:52 PM
Looks like a nice night for baseball
http://www.accuweather.com/us/il/chicago/60601/city-weather-forecast.asp?partner=accuweather&u=1&traveler=1

redsmetz
09-19-2007, 05:57 PM
Freel's extension, IMO was WK's second biggest mistake to date (yes, bigger than THE TRADE, Rheal Cormier, Mike Stanton).

REDs owe $7 mm to guy they don't need and NOBODY will want.

LaRue's contract was DanO's doing, so WK had no problem shipping him off to KC with some cash. (KC loved that one).

Doubtful he would do the same with Freel.

If Freel is healthy, I don't think it's impossible to move his contract. I'm not saying it will be, but I don't think it's impossible. If he doesn't heal, that's a big problem.

I still think the Cormier move was done with an eye towards trading him and it didn't work out. We'll see how Stanton does over the entire life of his contract. So far, it's been dicey.

But enough of that - let's bop these Cubbies again.

Kc61
09-19-2007, 06:12 PM
I think Hatte is gone, unless Votto is traded.

Reds use a 5-man bench. Can't afford two lefty first basemen. With Cantu, that would make three first basemen. Doesn't work.

I notice Votto is playing against the lefty pitcher tonight.

Didn't realize Freel is signed through '09. Could be hard to move him. Guess he may be back next year.

Falls City Beer
09-19-2007, 06:18 PM
Freel was a very, very valuable player. But guys like him wear down pretty precipitously.

Larue, similarly, was a very, very valuable player. But again, catchers don't have long shelf lives.

Still, I'll take the Freel and Larue signings 100 times out of 100 over the signing of a guy like Stanton.

Kc61
09-19-2007, 06:24 PM
Freel was a very, very valuable player. But guys like him wear down pretty precipitously.

Larue, similarly, was a very, very valuable player. But again, catchers don't have long shelf lives.

Still, I'll take the Freel and Larue signings 100 times out of 100 over the signing of a guy like Stanton.


You and I watched a different Larue.

Falls City Beer
09-19-2007, 06:26 PM
You and I watched a different Larue.

Yeah, in the way that I watch a different Dunn from a whole bunch of other fans.

It takes genius glasses. Do you have them?

Raisor
09-19-2007, 06:49 PM
I'm excited.

1. I get to watch (most) of the game.
2. I get to enjoy the gamethread at the same time.
3. Puffy gets more opportunites to steal my best lines.

WVRedsFan
09-19-2007, 06:49 PM
Yeah, in the way that I watch a different Dunn from a whole bunch of other fans.

It takes genius glasses. Do you have them?


And I see a different Freel, but that's what makes the world go around, right?

Patrick Bateman
09-19-2007, 06:52 PM
Freel was a very, very valuable player. But guys like him wear down pretty precipitously.

Larue, similarly, was a very, very valuable player. But again, catchers don't have long shelf lives.

Still, I'll take the Freel and Larue signings 100 times out of 100 over the signing of a guy like Stanton.

Agreed all around.

It wasn'tlong ago that Freel had a strong ability to get on base while being able to play skill positions at an acceptable level. That's a nice commodity. Look at Juan Pierre. He was basically Freel without the patience. He gets 10M a year.

LaRue had the ability to provide offense no matter how ugly it looked. I always thought his defense was undervalued too. I'm still dissapointed in just how quickly he wen't down hill. I wanted Ross gone in the offseason and just go with LaRue since we were already paying him and Ross may have had good value in trades.

I don't think they were bad contracts in that there was a decent shot that the Reds were going to get pretty solid players at cheap rates. I still think Freel is a rebound candidate to be a nice utility player again (but I wouldn't hesitate to trade him). At least with those guys there was a good chance of getting good players at below market rates. I might consider both contracts on the risky side, but the potential reward was quite nice.

It beats giving guys like Stanton, Cormier, etc. a couple of million dollars with the upside of being middle relievers and liklihood of blah.

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 07:34 PM
Dunn looked pretty rough against the lefties Monday night. I would have probably given him tonight off and then played him everyday until he reach 40+ homers and 100+ walks and then give him another rest if he needs it.

MrCinatit
09-19-2007, 07:35 PM
I believe Freel has become expendable, but I am not sure how many other teams will want a frail 32-year-old for our asking price. Whatever the return is, I am sure there will be some disappointment.
Last year, when he was Mr. Highlight Reel Freel, would have been a more opportune time, but what a difference a year makes.

Gainesville Red
09-19-2007, 08:08 PM
Reds in HD. Waited all year.

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 08:16 PM
Griffey is starting to challenge Sean Casey for the doubleplay king.

MrCinatit
09-19-2007, 08:16 PM
Junior has been struggling as of late at the plate and on the field.
I am thinking he is growing very tired - been a long year.

DoogMinAmo
09-19-2007, 08:17 PM
Griffey is starting to challenge Sean Casey for the doubleplay king.

Has anyone mentioned Griffey needs a day off recently? :evil:

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 08:18 PM
1st and 2nd 0 outs and our three and four hitters up - no runs.

Chip R
09-19-2007, 08:18 PM
Griffey is starting to challenge Sean Casey for the doubleplay king.


It was a scrappy double play, though. Moved that runner right over to 3rd.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 08:18 PM
It started so promising.....well, for a short time anyway...

Gainesville Red
09-19-2007, 08:19 PM
What's wrong w/ Chat?

CTA513
09-19-2007, 08:20 PM
Good start

Chip R
09-19-2007, 08:21 PM
That wasn't good.

mth123
09-19-2007, 08:21 PM
What's wrong w/ Chat?

Doesn't work for me either.

DoogMinAmo
09-19-2007, 08:21 PM
that didnt take long. first pitch homer by soriano. boo.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 08:21 PM
How about a little chin music for Soriano next time around?


I don't know if could have watched and strutted any longer than that...

guttle11
09-19-2007, 08:21 PM
Anyone else think it may not be a bad idea to sit Griffey the rest of the year? His bat is slow, and he looks worn down. He's really risking injury playing like that.

Chip R
09-19-2007, 08:23 PM
What's wrong w/ Chat?

Having problems with it myself. I'll let Boss know.


Anyone else think it may not be a good idea to sit Griffey the rest of the year? His bat is slow, and he looks worn down. He's really risking injury playing like that.


He's going to get some time off in SF.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 08:25 PM
Anyone else think it may not be a bad idea to sit Griffey the rest of the year? His bat is slow, and he looks worn down. He's really risking injury playing like that.

...there weren't at bats for Bruce :p:

guttle11
09-19-2007, 08:26 PM
Great curveball.

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 08:28 PM
Dunn has looked awful vs the Cubs lefties in this series. I would have given him the night off. He took two nice pitches there and then chased a bad one.

EdE homers! Tie game. #15 for Edwin.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 08:29 PM
:ede:

:jump:

MrCinatit
09-19-2007, 08:29 PM
Do
Not
Trade
Away
Edwin.

Raisor
09-19-2007, 08:30 PM
Reds.com MB

Adam Dunn is bad for the Reds because he's too good an offensive player.

He must hit 5th or 6th, and since he'll be pitched around, because he's so good, it puts too much on the 6th or 7th hitters.

Or something like that

guttle11
09-19-2007, 08:30 PM
Edwin is good.

Raisor
09-19-2007, 08:31 PM
My first time seeing Votto.

Wait, he's Canadian? I can't root for Canadians! They're all booger eating lunatics.

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 08:31 PM
Aramis Ramirez robs Votto of a double.

DoogMinAmo
09-19-2007, 08:32 PM
Ramirez is pretty darn good too.

Chip R
09-19-2007, 08:33 PM
My first time seeing Votto.

Wait, he's Canadian? I can't root for Canadians! They're all booger eating lunatics.


Don't the Thrashers have any Canadians on their team?

Raisor
09-19-2007, 08:33 PM
David Ross has a .263 OBP.

SOLID!

(yes I know, you all know this, but this is my first or second game I've gotten to watch this year)

Raisor
09-19-2007, 08:34 PM
Don't the Thrashers have any Canadians on their team?

Hockey players are SUPPOSED to be booger eating lunatics.

DoogMinAmo
09-19-2007, 08:34 PM
David Ross has a .263 OBP.

SOLID!

(yes I know, you all know this, but this is my first or second game I've gotten to watch this year)

But he still puts a decent charge in em if he makes contact. IF.

CTA513
09-19-2007, 08:35 PM
Reds.com MB

Adam Dunn is bad for the Reds because he's too good an offensive player.

He must hit 5th or 6th, and since he'll be pitched around, because he's so good, it puts too much on the 6th or 7th hitters.

Or something like that

Dunns biggest fan BadFundamentals posted that.

Raisor
09-19-2007, 08:36 PM
Dunns biggest fan BadFundamentals posted that.

HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED!!!

Chip R
09-19-2007, 08:36 PM
Hockey players are SUPPOSED to be booger eating lunatics.


The warden give you a furlough tonight?

Raisor
09-19-2007, 08:38 PM
The warden give you a furlough tonight?

She's at work....

I have the man-cave to myself tonight!

Chip R
09-19-2007, 08:39 PM
She's at work....

I have the man-cave to myself tonight!


Please tell me you're wearing pants. :pray:

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 08:39 PM
I guess DeRosa goes on that list, as well...

Raisor
09-19-2007, 08:43 PM
Please tell me you're wearing pants. :pray:


This is the internets baby, nobody wears pants!

penantboundreds
09-19-2007, 08:43 PM
would this team be better off signing managers every 50 or 60 games...

DoogMinAmo
09-19-2007, 08:43 PM
Nice little Jhirmack by Shearn there.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 08:44 PM
According to Fay...the manager decision will come pretty quickly this offseason....they'll check out the outside candidates that interest them, and if those candidates aren't interested, or can't agree to terms, Pete will be the guy.


He feels LaRussa still tops that list.

Sounds to me like Pete isn't their first choice, which is pretty much what I figured. They'll bring him back if they can't bring in the proven name they want, but I'm guessing if they do that, it would be a 1 year deal.

In fact, I wouldn't give him more than a 1 year deal....they have to keep locking guys up long term based on small samples.

Chip R
09-19-2007, 08:45 PM
Reds.com MB

Adam Dunn is bad for the Reds because he's too good an offensive player.

He must hit 5th or 6th, and since he'll be pitched around, because he's so good, it puts too much on the 6th or 7th hitters.

Or something like that


This made my brain explode. :explode:

DoogMinAmo
09-19-2007, 08:45 PM
Does anyone else literally cringe every time they read LaRussa's name mentioned as a managerial candidate, especially as the prime one?

Raisor
09-19-2007, 08:46 PM
According to Fay...the manager decision will come pretty quickly....they'll check out outside candidates that they're interested in. If those candidates aren't interested, Pete will be the guy....

He feels LaRussa still tops that list.

Sounds to me like Pete isn't their first choice, but not a bad choice.

LaRussa

blah

penantboundreds
09-19-2007, 08:46 PM
no, larussa is a good manager who will bring nice change here

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 08:47 PM
Does anyone else literally cringe every time they read LaRussa's name mentioned as a managerial candidate, especially as the prime one?

LaRussa and/or Baker..makes me sick to even think about 'em

Chip R
09-19-2007, 08:47 PM
no, larussa is a good manager who will bring nice change here


I agree.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 08:47 PM
Does anyone else literally cringe every time they read LaRussa's name mentioned as a managerial candidate, especially as the prime one?

Sort of....then I look at his track record...

I can handle being driven crazy if they're winning.

Raisor
09-19-2007, 08:48 PM
This made my brain explode. :explode:

He's not good enough to hit 3-4 and he's too good to hit 5-7.

I think BF's finally gone ALL away around to crazy town.

Raisor
09-19-2007, 08:49 PM
LaRussa and/or Baker..makes me sick to even think about 'em

As much as I don't really want LaRussa, I'd probably start taking hostages of they signed Baker.

Chip R
09-19-2007, 08:50 PM
OK, gang, I'm debating whether I should have a beer. I'm a little tired from work and I don't want to have one and fall asleep in the 9th inning. Yet a beer does seem like it would hit the spot. I'm torn. What do you guys think. I'll abide with the majority's decision.

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 08:50 PM
Sort of....then I look at his track record...

I can handle being driven crazy if they're winning.

It's going to take more than LaRussa batting Harang and company 8th to bring a winning record here. Spend the big bucks on pitching.

Raisor
09-19-2007, 08:51 PM
OK, gang, I'm debating whether I should have a beer. I'm a little tired from work and I don't want to have one and fall asleep in the 9th inning. Yet a beer does seem like it would hit the spot. I'm torn. What do you guys think. I'll abide with the majority's decision.

I think you should go with an apple-tini.

Heavy on the apple.

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 08:51 PM
OK, gang, I'm debating whether I should have a beer. I'm a little tired from work and I don't want to have one and fall asleep in the 9th inning. Yet a beer does seem like it would hit the spot. I'm torn. What do you guys think. I'll abide with the majority's decision.

smoke some weed instead;)

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 08:52 PM
griffey k's on another high heater...how many times has that happened this month?

DoogMinAmo
09-19-2007, 08:52 PM
no, larussa is a good manager who will bring nice change here

He strikes me as a more storied version of Bob Boone. A man who thinks his mind is greater than the game, and who ends up outhinking himself very often. I am all for trying new things everyonce in a while, but become skeptical when that is one's M.O.

His track record seems moreso a reflection of the players he has had, than his own management.

Chip R
09-19-2007, 08:53 PM
I think you should go with an apple-tini.

Heavy on the apple.


smoke some weed instead;)


I have neither. Just beer or Diet Coke.

DoogMinAmo
09-19-2007, 08:54 PM
It's going to take more than LaRussa batting Harang and company 8th to bring a winning record here. Spend the big bucks on pitching.

And bring Duncan too.

DoogMinAmo
09-19-2007, 08:55 PM
griffey k's on another high heater...how many times has that happened this month?

He might be tired.

A month long tired spell.

DoogMinAmo
09-19-2007, 08:57 PM
I have neither. Just beer or Diet Coke.

Have you ever thought about combining the two? You would get the sweet nectar of beer, and the caffeine of coke. I have never tried it, and never will because I don't like pop, but I will suggest anything to a random person over teh intrenets.

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 08:58 PM
I have neither. Just beer or Diet Coke.

What kind of beer?

Raisor
09-19-2007, 08:59 PM
Have you ever thought about combining the two? You would get the sweet nectar of beer, and the caffeine of coke. I have never tried it, and never will because I don't like pop, but I will suggest anything to a random person over teh intrenets.

You could probably talk Puffy into doing that. Chip is too smart.

Chip R
09-19-2007, 08:59 PM
Have you ever thought about combining the two? You would get the sweet nectar of beer, and the caffeine of coke. I have never tried it, and never will because I don't like pop, but I will suggest anything to a random person over teh intrenets.


It's an interesting suggestion but if I don't like it, I'm wasting a Diet Coke and a beer.

DoogMinAmo
09-19-2007, 09:00 PM
Anyone know what "PFX" stands for on the pitch info bars for MLB Gameday?

Chip R
09-19-2007, 09:00 PM
What kind of beer?


Christian Moerlein Fifth & Vine Oktoberfest Marzen. It's gooooood.

penantboundreds
09-19-2007, 09:01 PM
drink the beer. settled.

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 09:01 PM
Christian Moerlein Fifth & Vine Oktoberfest Marzen. It's gooooood.

now, i know why you just said beer...that's a mouthful

Raisor
09-19-2007, 09:02 PM
Christian Moerlein Fifth & Vine Oktoberfest Marzen. It's gooooood.

Dude, that's even more girley then the appletini

DoogMinAmo
09-19-2007, 09:02 PM
Shearn with 51 pitches through 3. If he is nothing else he is a serviceable #5.

1-1 Both runs scored on homers.

Raisor
09-19-2007, 09:04 PM
I don't want to hear about Orel "saving his bullits".

yikes

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 09:04 PM
now, i know why you just said beer...that's a mouthful

Good thing he's sober :D





He is sober, right?

Chip R
09-19-2007, 09:05 PM
Dude, that's even more girley then the appletini


Nothing's more girly than an appletini. If you're comfortable with it, that's your problem.

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 09:06 PM
WOW:eek:

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 09:06 PM
Number 40!!!

First Red to hit 40+ homers in four consecutive years!

Raisor
09-19-2007, 09:07 PM
Nothing's more girly than an appletini. If you're comfortable with it, that's your problem.

I am more of a Fuzzy Navel fella myself.

Heavy on the fuzzy.

oneupper
09-19-2007, 09:07 PM
There's 40.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 09:07 PM
SMOKED

:dunn:

:jump:

Quatro Zero :D

Chip R
09-19-2007, 09:07 PM
Good thing he's sober :D





He is sober, right?


Of course.

Chip R
09-19-2007, 09:10 PM
I am more of a Fuzzy Navel fella myself.

Heavy on the fuzzy.


Oh, I like those. Haven't had one of those in a while.

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 09:11 PM
Votto hit one to the wall in right that Floyd caught against the wall. Votto has been robbed of a double and homer tonight by Ramirez and the wind.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 09:25 PM
Oh no...Soto.

Tie game

pedro
09-19-2007, 09:25 PM
Nothing's more girly than an appletini. If you're comfortable with it, that's your problem.

I had me a pink lemonade the other night. It was tasty.

(Vodka, Sour,Grenadine,Club Soda)

mbgrayson
09-19-2007, 09:28 PM
OK, gang, I'm debating whether I should have a beer. I'm a little tired from work and I don't want to have one and fall asleep in the 9th inning. Yet a beer does seem like it would hit the spot. I'm torn. What do you guys think. I'll abide with the majority's decision.

Absolutely! If you have one, so will I....

Chip R
09-19-2007, 09:33 PM
Looks like the Ayes have it. No one has objected so beer it is.

pedro
09-19-2007, 09:35 PM
I may join you. I need a couple before I go see the flaming lips.

CTA513
09-19-2007, 09:36 PM
Griffey must have not liked that bat, because he gave it to some kid behind the dugout after his at bat.

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 09:36 PM
Everybody see how Jr gave the kid (Reds fan) the bat after the k?

mbgrayson
09-19-2007, 09:36 PM
That was a 6 pitch inning right there in the 6th. (Kepp=2, Griffey Ks on 3, and Phillips swings at 1st pitch)

Lilly is now up to 80 pitches, their bullpen has been used a good bit of late, one would hope the Reds would be more patient. Make him throw 12-18 pitches every inning, burn Lilly out of there.....

VR
09-19-2007, 09:45 PM
Shearn has pitched ok tonight. I just hope Wayne or anybody else pencils him in as a starter next year.

I think the 2nd time through the league for him would be a blood bath.

Chip R
09-19-2007, 09:47 PM
Got something cooking. Dunn at 3rd Votto at 1st 1 out.

mbgrayson
09-19-2007, 09:51 PM
Ross looked foolish right there. Ks and again fails to get the runner in from 3rd with less than 2 outs.

Two outs now, Gonzalez up.

oneupper
09-19-2007, 09:55 PM
La piñata es el sábado, Alex.

Raisor
09-19-2007, 09:55 PM
Watching Prince Fielder run around the bases makes me tired.

VR
09-19-2007, 09:56 PM
Ross looked foolish right there. Ks and again fails to get the runner in from 3rd with less than 2 outs.

Two outs now, Gonzalez up.

Trying to pull everything. I'm guessing it's been that way all year.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 09:57 PM
Eddie on

CTA513
09-19-2007, 09:57 PM
The Reds can't get Derosa out.

Chip R
09-19-2007, 09:58 PM
I wonder if they are trying to move Ross since Javy has caught Bronson several times over the last few months.

Raisor
09-19-2007, 09:58 PM
Everyday Eddy is about as wide as he is tall.

He looks like a box.

pedro
09-19-2007, 09:59 PM
Everyday Eddy is about as wide as he is tall.

He looks like a box.

I think he kind of looks like sponge bob squarepants

Chip R
09-19-2007, 10:00 PM
Watching Prince Fielder run around the bases makes me tired.


Did he kill another rally?

pedro
09-19-2007, 10:00 PM
not that there's anything wrong with that.

M2
09-19-2007, 10:01 PM
I like Edwin, but the ball that he just dove for and had bounce off his glove is a play Scott Rolen makes on his feet.

Edwin's first step needs to be more consistent.

mbgrayson
09-19-2007, 10:01 PM
Eddie knocks 'em down again. Yes!

Raisor
09-19-2007, 10:02 PM
LATINO HEAT~!

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 10:02 PM
Yanks on the verge of only being 1.5 games out after tonight.

Falls City Beer
09-19-2007, 10:03 PM
When hasn't the Cubs' second baseman given the Reds fits? DeRosa, T. Walker, Sandberg.... Let's just blow a hole in the ground between first and second.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 10:04 PM
Yanks on the verge of only being 1.5 games out after tonight.

Red Sox doing their best to lose this thing...

Chip R
09-19-2007, 10:09 PM
Chat has been fixed.

oneupper
09-19-2007, 10:09 PM
Cubs Know Jr is slumping and coming right after him

mbgrayson
09-19-2007, 10:09 PM
Griffey Ks for the second time tonight, plus a double play. Where is that Ellison.....(just kidding...)

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 10:10 PM
Cubs Know Jr is slumping and coming right after him

it's sad to see him struggle so badly after having a solid/healthy year

oneupper
09-19-2007, 10:10 PM
Jr with an injured hand or something.

Raisor
09-19-2007, 10:12 PM
Hopper was out by something like 82 feet.

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 10:12 PM
wow, that was kind of silly if you ask me...soriano had the ball as hop was rounding third...dumb

mbgrayson
09-19-2007, 10:13 PM
Hopper was out by something like 82 feet.
He was clearly out, but it took a strong throw to get him.

CTA513
09-19-2007, 10:13 PM
Hopper was out by something like 82 feet.

Hopper tried to push the catcher since he can't run anyone over.

:ughmamoru

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 10:13 PM
Barrel him over!!! :D

Chip R
09-19-2007, 10:14 PM
Yeah, that wasn't even close.

oneupper
09-19-2007, 10:14 PM
Usually you want to send your guys w/ 2 outs. Shame. Finally, the team gets a hit with RISP. Phillips hit the ball too darn hard.

VR
09-19-2007, 10:14 PM
wow, that was kind of silly if you ask me...soriano had the ball as hop was rounding third...dumb

He may have had him out at third had he thrown there. Hopper was three steps from third when Soriano caught the ball.

It was OK to send him though w/ Dunn on deck against a righty.

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 10:14 PM
He was clearly out, but it took a strong throw to get him.

yeah, from practically deep short ;)

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 10:17 PM
Absolutely mind-boggling that they sent Hopper with Dunn on deck. Incredible.

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 10:17 PM
Single and error on Griff.

Chip R
09-19-2007, 10:17 PM
He may have had him out at third had he thrown there. Hopper was three steps from third when Soriano caught the ball.

It was OK to send him though w/ Dunn on deck against a righty.


Yeah, but you better believe they put in a lefty if Dunn came up.

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 10:18 PM
junior slumping in the outfield as well lately...ugly

VR
09-19-2007, 10:18 PM
yeah, from practically deep short ;)

OK, I thought I may have been stretching the truth when I said 3 steps...so I watched in slow motion.

6 steps from third, Soriano has the ball. No joke.

Kc61
09-19-2007, 10:18 PM
Can a right fielder get the loss in a game, or only pitchers?

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 10:19 PM
Damn. Now Griff is hurt. Doesn't look good at all.

Tom Servo
09-19-2007, 10:19 PM
Uhh-ohh

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 10:19 PM
There it is...the Griffey injury...

We've been waiting for it.....and it's unfortunate

RedFanAlways1966
09-19-2007, 10:19 PM
OH NO... Junior hurt while trying to make a throw. :(

RedsManRick
09-19-2007, 10:19 PM
Oh crap. Junior is down and doesn't look good. Looks like a groin, back, or upper leg.

CTA513
09-19-2007, 10:20 PM
It looks like a groin injury.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 10:20 PM
I wonder if Mackanin pushed it with his playing time....

Jay Bruce! Come on down!!

:D

mbgrayson
09-19-2007, 10:21 PM
looks like a groin injury. Damn.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 10:22 PM
I guess Jason Ellison now get significant playing time.

Oh, wonderful. I wonder if he'll hit the ball out of the infield.

Raisor
09-19-2007, 10:22 PM
shut him down for the rest of the year.

RFS62
09-19-2007, 10:22 PM
Man, that looked painful

Caseyfan21
09-19-2007, 10:22 PM
Oh man...hate to see that. At least he's walking off. Hopefully he can come back strong next season.

And that was pretty quick thinking with the underhand throw back in.

flyer85
09-19-2007, 10:23 PM
in come the gas can

Raisor
09-19-2007, 10:23 PM
First Junior gets hurt, now the Reds hurt US by bringing in Stanton.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 10:24 PM
Buck Coats for Griffey.

Falls City Beer
09-19-2007, 10:24 PM
We'll always have Majic.

pedro
09-19-2007, 10:24 PM
Now both Raisor and Griffey have their pants off.

wally post
09-19-2007, 10:24 PM
stanton. that hurts almost as much as - Griffey getting hurt which, to me, feels like finding out there is no Santa Claus - over and over again. this looks like it for the year. At some point, it will really be over for Jr. Too bad.

flyer85
09-19-2007, 10:24 PM
First Junior gets hurt, now the Reds hurt US by bringing in Stanton.all this after the kick to the groin known as Majewski

RFS62
09-19-2007, 10:24 PM
First Junior gets hurt, now the Reds hurt US by bringing in Stanton.

We're entering a world of pain, Donnie.

Razor Shines
09-19-2007, 10:24 PM
That's so upsetting, I really feel bad for him.

Caseyfan21
09-19-2007, 10:24 PM
The thing that makes me madder than anything is all the Cubs fans I know. I'm guessing my phone will start ringing in a few minutes with the Griffey injury jokes. It really gets old. Let's just blame the terrible Wrigley grass surface for the injury. Just another reason to hate that dump/Cubs fans in general. ;)

Raisor
09-19-2007, 10:25 PM
Now both Raisor and Griffey have their pants off.

GAH!

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 10:25 PM
now i feel bad for screaming about the error he made:(

Razor Shines
09-19-2007, 10:25 PM
I wonder if Mackanin pushed it with his playing time....

Jay Bruce! Come on down!!

:D

Won't be able to put him on the playoff roster though.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 10:25 PM
The thing that makes me madder than anything is all the Cubs fans I know. I'm guessing my phone will start ringing in a few minutes with the Griffey injury jokes.

The Griffey haters will be coming out of the woodwork now...

Oh boy.

Raisor
09-19-2007, 10:26 PM
Dunn caught that.

RFS62
09-19-2007, 10:26 PM
Hell of a play by Dunn

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 10:26 PM
There's the kick to the soft parts...add some Coffey now

RFS62
09-19-2007, 10:27 PM
Replay looked like he had it

flyer85
09-19-2007, 10:27 PM
no doubt that Dunn caught that ball but it really didn't effect the outcome.

Razor Shines
09-19-2007, 10:27 PM
Dunn's best defensive play of the season and he doesn't even get credit for it.

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 10:27 PM
Does anybody in baseball get screwed more than Dunn and the Reds? I mean, seriously. How many close plays always go against the Reds?

RBA
09-19-2007, 10:27 PM
He Caught It!!!!!!

redsfan4445
09-19-2007, 10:27 PM
i was thinking on that last at bat he hurt himself.. he winced after that swing.. i was thinking earlier tonight, Jr needs a game off and hoped it was tonight.. DANG IT!

VR
09-19-2007, 10:28 PM
Dunn caught that.

He tagged anyway. Dunner should have come up gunning....he may have had a shot. Oh well.

Raisor
09-19-2007, 10:28 PM
Dunn is scrappy

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 10:28 PM
not that it ever works, but why doesn't pm come out and scream about that call?

RBA
09-19-2007, 10:28 PM
Hd 52" Screen Does Not Lie. He Caught It!

redsfan4445
09-19-2007, 10:29 PM
replay shows he Caught the ball!

Cyclone792
09-19-2007, 10:29 PM
Dunn caught that ball, and by reading his lips, he even says he caught that ball.

Griffey's injury royally blows too. He nearly made it through the entire season without anything major, but it looks like he's probably done for the season. It looks like we'll be blessed to see a combo of Buck Coats and Jason Ellison in right field now the rest of the season. Odd thing is if I were in charge, I'd seriously consider giving Votto a few days out in right field to see how he does while playing Hatteberg at first base.

RFS62
09-19-2007, 10:29 PM
Hd 52" Screen Does Not Lie. He Caught It!


Yep, we got jobbed in magnificant high def detail

Razor Shines
09-19-2007, 10:29 PM
Does anybody in baseball get screwed more than Dunn and the Reds? I mean, seriously. How many close plays always go against the Reds?

90% of the baseball I watch involves the Reds, so I couldn't really say but it seems like it.

RFS62
09-19-2007, 10:30 PM
Phillips putting on a serious deke

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 10:31 PM
well, with coffey in there, chances are we won't have to worry about extra innings tonight:p:

RBA
09-19-2007, 10:33 PM
Umps are paying the Reds back for filing the protest. Anyone ever file a complaint against a cop? Same thing. Their comrades come to the defense.

M2
09-19-2007, 10:33 PM
Sad to see Jr. go down like that. You have to assume that will be it for him. Great season for him and if that's the last of we see of him in a Reds uniform then he deserves some thanks for being a class act during a difficult time for this club.

flyer85
09-19-2007, 10:33 PM
Hd 52" Screen Does Not Lie. He Caught It!

funny that Lee saw Dunn catch it and headed back to first ... thus was an easy force out at 2nd.

oneupper
09-19-2007, 10:33 PM
Does anybody in baseball get screwed more than Dunn and the Reds? I mean, seriously. How many close plays always go against the Reds?

The other 29 team probably make the same claim.

But unfortunately in these late season games between contender and non-contender...guess who gets most of the close calls?

Umps aren't stupid, they know when to cover their butts.

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 10:34 PM
Sad to see Jr. go down like that. You have to assume that will be it for him. Great season for him and if that's the last of we see of him in a Reds uniform then he deserves some thanks for being a class act during a difficult time for this club.

If he's out for the year, isn't he pretty much a lock for a Reds uni next year?

guttle11
09-19-2007, 10:35 PM
I practically called Griffey's injury. Weird.

But you could see it coming. He was wearing down. Probably should not have been out there.

pedro
09-19-2007, 10:35 PM
funny, Bob Howry does look good.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 10:36 PM
funny, Bob Howry does look good.

Except for the throwing strikes thing :p:

VR
09-19-2007, 10:36 PM
funny, Bob Howry does look good.

Surprised to see him pitch two innings after that fantastic performance last night. :beerme:

Raisor
09-19-2007, 10:37 PM
funny, Bob Howry does look good.

Hopefully they're calling him "Wuertz"

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 10:37 PM
Nevermind...now he's throwing strikes

wally post
09-19-2007, 10:37 PM
I'm digging Dunn's at bat

wally post
09-19-2007, 10:38 PM
got under it - oh well..Dunn out - one out

Raisor
09-19-2007, 10:38 PM
good ab by Dunn

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 10:38 PM
Wow. Bob Howry got lucky there. Dunn just missed two straight 3-2 fat fastballs right down the middle. And now he fouls a tough one off. Still 3-2. Dunn has 99 walks. And he's still at 99 walks after missing another fat 3-2 fastball. Howry got away with some bad pitches there.

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 10:38 PM
soriano hops when he catches a ball, like sammy sosa used to hop after hitting the ball...annoying

CTA513
09-19-2007, 10:39 PM
The Umps should get together and make sure Soriano caught that fly ball.

pedro
09-19-2007, 10:39 PM
The ump ain't squeezing Adam by any means tonight.

TeamBoone
09-19-2007, 10:39 PM
no doubt that Dunn caught that ball but it really didn't effect the outcome.

Huh? The go-ahead run scored, didn't it?

wally post
09-19-2007, 10:40 PM
fhe would tagged and been safe. And yeah, Dunn pitches were called fairly tonight i think.

Votto! let's go! get a hit tonight!

Razor Shines
09-19-2007, 10:40 PM
Healthy cut there.

flyer85
09-19-2007, 10:41 PM
funny, Bob Howry does look good.so does Wuertz

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 10:41 PM
Votto K's to end the game. He also swung and missed a fat fastball on 1-1.

TeamBoone
09-19-2007, 10:41 PM
He tagged anyway. Dunner should have come up gunning....he may have had a shot. Oh well.

I doubt he even thought of doing that because he caught it.

wally post
09-19-2007, 10:41 PM
oh well. I hate the cubs, but I love Lou P. Just sayin..

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 10:41 PM
wow, howry with some gas tonight...

flyer85
09-19-2007, 10:41 PM
Huh? The go-ahead run scored, didn't it?and it would have on a sac fly if it was ruled a catch.

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 10:42 PM
Thanks to David Weathers for costing the Reds two out of three. Now the damn Cubs will probably reach the playoffs because of that.

flyer85
09-19-2007, 10:43 PM
I doubt he even thought of doing that because he caught it.there would have been no play at the plate. Theriot is very fast and Dunn was in medium LF sliding towards the line.

VR
09-19-2007, 10:43 PM
Huh? The go-ahead run scored, didn't it?

The runner on third didn't leave until Dunn had the ball in his glove....so whether he caught it or not, doesn't matter as the runner is safe at home either way.

Only way there is a beef is if the runner left before he had it in his glove.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 10:43 PM
Thanks to David Weathers for costing the Reds two out of three. Now the damn Cubs will probably reach the playoffs because of that.

How did Weathers cost them tonight?

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 10:44 PM
How did Weathers cost them tonight?

Did I say tonight? No. He lost game one.

oneupper
09-19-2007, 10:44 PM
Thanks to David Weathers for costing the Reds two out of three. Now the damn Cubs will probably reach the playoffs because of that.

Ease off the Red Bull, dude....It's not even the REDS race anymore.

BTW Mathematically eliminated, I believe.

Red in Chicago
09-19-2007, 10:44 PM
How did Weathers cost them tonight?

i was wondering the same thing

TeamBoone
09-19-2007, 10:45 PM
and it would have on a sac fly if it was ruled a catch.

Ahhhh, okay. I thought it would have been the third out.

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 10:45 PM
Ease off the Red Bull, dude....It's not even the REDS race anymore.

BTW Mathematically eliminated, I believe.

I know the Reds aren't in the race. But the Cubs and Brewers are and I want the Brewers to make it over the Cubs. That blown save by Weathers cost the Brewers a game in the standing.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 10:46 PM
i was wondering the same thing

Bad vibes, maybe

TeamBoone
09-19-2007, 10:46 PM
I know they've shut Hamilton down for the year, but perhaps, now that they need him, they'll bring him back if he's up to it.

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 10:47 PM
Bad vibes, maybe

Please point out to me where I said Weathers blew tonight's game.

Raisor
09-19-2007, 10:47 PM
there would have been no play at the plate. Theriot is very fast and Dunn was in medium LF sliding towards the line.

As an aside Theriot has the best name, ever.

The Riot.

He needs to have that on the back of his shirt.

The Riot

As you were!

Chip R
09-19-2007, 10:47 PM
I know the Reds aren't in the race. But the Cubs and Brewers are and I want the Brewers to make it over the Cubs. That blown save by Weathers cost the Brewers a game in the standing.


Bad news. HOU just pulled out in front 3-2 in the 8th.

flyer85
09-19-2007, 10:48 PM
I know they've shut Hamilton down for the year, but perhaps, now that they need him, they'll bring him back if he's up to it.Reds fans ... meet Buck Coats and Jason Ellison

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 10:50 PM
Please point out to me where I said Weathers blew tonight's game.

Unless you meant something else, here's what you said...



Thanks to David Weathers for costing the Reds two out of three. Now the damn Cubs will probably reach the playoffs because of that.

flyer85
09-19-2007, 10:50 PM
As you were!Ok, but "Maybe you should put some shorts on or something, if you want to keep fighting evil today"

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 10:50 PM
Reds fans ... meet Buck Coats and Jason Ellison

Coats, ok..he's at least young with upside, perhaps...

Ellison...we know his story.

alloverjr
09-19-2007, 10:55 PM
Coats, ok..he's at least young with upside, perhaps...

Ellison...we know his story.


You can't play seriously with either of them in the lineup. I'd prefer Kep in RF (although I'd say now's a nice time to watch Bruce hit for a couple of weeks).

pedro
09-19-2007, 10:58 PM
As an aside Theriot has the best name, ever.

The Riot.

He needs to have that on the back of his shirt.

The Riot

As you were!

It's also alliterative.

Ryan the Riot

nice.

Matt700wlw
09-19-2007, 10:58 PM
You can't play seriously with either of them in the lineup. I'd prefer Kep in RF (although I'd say now's a nice time to watch Bruce hit for a couple of weeks).

Bruce has my vote....


I don't see it happening

pedro
09-19-2007, 10:59 PM
Bruce has my vote....


I don't see it happening

That's because it won't.

Meet Buck Coats.

oneupper
09-19-2007, 11:05 PM
That's because it won't.

Meet Buck Coats.

Hopefully, better than...Jason Romano, Darren Bragg, Reggie Taylor and others who have filled in for Jr.

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 11:06 PM
Unless you meant something else, here's what you said...

You obviously didn't read my post below that.

Weathers blew a two run lead in game one of this series. The Reds won game two. Therefore, that blown save cost the Reds the series. It's really not that hard to tell what I was talking about. Not once did I ever say Weathers cost the Reds tonight's game.

OnBaseMachine
09-19-2007, 11:08 PM
Rickie Weeks hits a 2-run HR off Lidge in the 9th to tie the game at 4.

pedro
09-19-2007, 11:10 PM
Hopefully, better than...Jason Romano, Darren Bragg, Reggie Taylor and others who have filled in for Jr.

He's no Reggie Taylor, I'll tell ya that much.

flyer85
09-19-2007, 11:13 PM
He's no Reggie Taylor,... but then, who is

Big Klu
09-19-2007, 11:55 PM
I agree with those who say that RF will mostly be a platoon of Buck Coats and Jason Ellison for the rest of the season, though against the Cubs next weekend we may see a little bit of Jeff Keppinger in RF with Alex Gonzalez at SS, or maybe even Joey Votto in RF with Scott Hatteberg at 1B. (Where has Hatte been, anyway? I know that Votto is getting an extended look, but Scott seems to have fallen off the face of the earth!)


On to more positive things. Congratulations to Adam Dunn, who not only became the first player in Reds history to hit 40+ HR's in four consecutive seasons (as the broadcasters kept telling us), he also became the first Red to hit 40+ HR's in four seasons, period!

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Adam Dunn - 238
7. Eric Davis - 203
8. Barry Larkin - 198
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 195
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

TeamBoone
09-20-2007, 12:00 AM
Hatte has a strained oblique muscle... though maybe it's better now.

Big Klu
09-20-2007, 12:05 AM
Hatte has a strained oblique muscle... though maybe it's better now.

Thanks. Isn't that what Albert Pujols had a year or two ago? If so, it doesn't usually heal quickly, and it will take plenty of rest. Maybe it's best to shut Hatteberg down, too.