9/21/07 vs. The Soon To Be Bondsless

[IslandRed]

Reds lineup per Trent, answering the question of who plays if the entire starting outfield doesn't:

Hopper cf
Keppinger ss
Phillips 2b
Encarnacion 3b
Cantu 1b
Votto lf
Ellison rf
Ross c
Belisle p

No lineup posted for the Giants yet but Tim Lincecum will be on the hill.

[oneupper]

Encarnacion 4th is quite a breakthrough. He hasn't hit that high in the lineup since opening week.

[remdog]

Belisle should file a complaint with the MLB Players Association. :lol:

Rem

P.S. Come to think of it, so should I. I paid $160.00 to watch this!?!

[Matt700wlw]

That HR earned Ellison a start.....yeah...


:D

[joshnky]

No lineup posted for the Giants yet but Tim Lincecum will be on the hill.

Lincecum was shut down and won't be starting.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see this lineup next spring training during a split squad game.

[IslandRed]

Lincecum was shut down and won't be starting.

You're right. I copied it off a projected-pitchers list and didn't remember about Lincecum's status. MLB.com shows Patrick Misch as the starter for SF.

[TOBTTReds]

Votto in LF...where's dougdirt?

[JaxRed]

Glad to see him in LF, just so we can see how he looks.

[OnBaseMachine]

Seriously. This is getting ridiculous. What in the world do the umps have against the Reds?

[Matt700wlw]

That was bad...

I rarely comment on ump calls...but that was bad.

[Matt700wlw]

Somebody just got tossed...

Hopper I think

[Matt700wlw]

This game is more about Bob Davidson, the umpire, rather than the players...

This is nothing unusual for this guy

[OnBaseMachine]

Hopper tossed. It was a horrible call.

[Tom Servo]

Stupid Vizquel

[Red in Chicago]

why does pete wait until it's too late to come out? he's done this on a few different occassions...how about showing more emotions...go throw a base or two:p:

[Matt700wlw]

Ellison in center, Coats in right, Votto in left....

[Matt700wlw]

Davidson jawing at someone again....

[Tom Servo]

Giants announcers even sympathizing with us for the bad call.

[Red in Chicago]

The Reds should all just go home and call it a night. This game is meaningless anyway. Who needs an ump yelling at 'em all night

[Matt700wlw]

Belisle can't buy a strike

[Tom Servo]

Stop walking people, Matt.

[Matt700wlw]

Mark Berry with another bad coaching decision

[Tom Servo]

Cantu is not fleet of foot.

[penantboundreds]

f this ump

[Red in Chicago]

Is David Ross really under .200 now? Seriously, someone get me some catching gear, because I'm sure I could manage that.

[Red in Chicago]

Omar not too smart there

[Red in Chicago]

Cantu saves a run with a nice play at first

[Matt700wlw]

Matt Belisle is clueless

[Red in Chicago]

Matt tried his best to give the Giants the run and finally succeeds.

[Red in Chicago]

Matt Belisle is clueless

He can't even get through this pathetic lineup. Let's hope next year, there are some better alternatives taking the mound.

[Red in Chicago]

The "somber" routine from Sabean is so touching on the Giants feed:rolleyes:

[TeamBoone]

You guys are really talkative tonight...

[TeamBoone]

HR David Ross. Giants 3-1 in the 5th.

[Matt700wlw]

:jump:

(better late than never :D)

[WVRedsFan]

I repeat. Lefthanders are Kryptonite to the Reds. Phillips is pushing so hard, he couldn't hit Mike Stanton tonight. And he's a righthander.

[WVRedsFan]

BTW, do posts in the game thread not count anymore? I've been stuck on 4,943 for awhile.

[Kc61]

I repeat. Lefthanders are Kryptonite to the Reds. Phillips is pushing so hard, he couldn't hit Mike Stanton tonight. And he's a righthander.

Phillips, with 29 homers, seems to be swinging for the downs these days.

[OnBaseMachine]

The Reds next homerun will be the 200th of the season and the third consecutive year they hit 200+ homeruns in a season.

[TeamBoone]

Yeah, he's really messing with his game right now.

I'm missing Adam and Ken in the lineup. It's kind of boring without them.

And of all the times for Adam to be out when his parents flew from Houston to see him play.

[WVRedsFan]

The Reds next homerun will be the 200th of the season and the third consecutive year they hit 200+ homeruns in a season.

Don't tell Phillips. He'll get worse.

[OnBaseMachine]

EdE singles to leadoff the top of the 6th and Cantu follows with his second double of the night. EdE holds at 3rd with 0 outs for Votto, who is 1-for-2 with a single.

[Kc61]

Cantu can hit.

If the Reds had the knack for getting pitchers like they do with hitters -- they might be someplace.

[OnBaseMachine]

Votto got ahead 3-0 and then grounded out to 2B to score EdE on a 3-1 count.

3-2 Giants.

[OnBaseMachine]

Ellison singles to score Cantu. 3-3 game.

[BCubb2003]

Productive out by Votto, then productive base hit by Ellison.

[WVRedsFan]

Reds tie it up with (gasp!) Ellison's single.

[Chip R]

I think this is the first time I've seen Ellison. Talk about a porn stache.

[WVRedsFan]

Reds TV obsessed with Ross' homerun. That's 5 replays.

You might call it a "medley of his hit." :-)

[Matt700wlw]

Dunner on deck

[WVRedsFan]

And Ross does what he does best. Hits into a DP and makes two outs instead of one.


3-3 after 5 1/2.

[Matt700wlw]

That was big league outfield play, right there

[WVRedsFan]

Keystone Reds. Coats dives, Ellison doesn't back him up, and Keppinger doesn't cover second on the throw in which would haave been the second out.

Our AAA team is showing why they don't belong in the majors.

[Chip R]

Coats is not good in RF.

[remdog]

Funny shot of a Reds fan (Cincinnati sweatshirt, Reds hat). Giants announcers gettin' on him in a nice way. The guy tried to catch a foul ball and it went through his hands and smacked him right below the eye. Gotta' admit the guy did the right thing----he held a cold beer against it. :lol:

Rem

[Red in Chicago]

Coats is not good in RF.

coats is not good;)

[Red in Chicago]

well, that didn't take long for cout to let them score

[Matt700wlw]

Somebody forgot to the tell the Reds pitchers that the Giants are a horrible offensive ball club

[remdog]

Yeah, Coats didn't look good on that play but yesterday he made a nice sliding catch that Jr. probably wouldn't have gotten to. From what I've seen so far I'm not ready to write him off defensively yet. Seems to have a good arm.

Rem

[Chip R]

well, that didn't take long for cout to let them score


He's improving. At least he didn't walk them in.

[WVRedsFan]

You have to wonder if it was wise to "rest" Dunn tonight or if Coats should ever see the outfield again. He's brutal.Or maybe it's Ellison who's brutal. Tonight's outfield includes to AAA guys and Jason Ellison. That's just not good. And one of the AAA guys is a first baseman by trade!

[remdog]

You have to wonder if it was wise to "rest" Dunn tonight or if Coats should ever see the outfield again. He's brutal.

I've seen him play about 5 innings and, so far, I don't see brutal. Have you seen a lot of Coats?

Rem

[Red in Chicago]

java time. yikes

[WVRedsFan]

I've seen him play about 5 innings and, so far, I don't see brutal. Have you seen a lot of Coats?

Rem

Watched him in the OF in a Cubs game and he seems to be lanky and his judgment on playing balls leaves something to be desired. I think it was the only game he played in the field with Chicago.

I'm probably being unfair and using hyperbole here, but that was a first class foul up.

For a team who had a glut of outfielders, we've come to this?

[Matt700wlw]

Watched him in the OF in a Cubs game and he seems to be lanky and his judgment on playing balls leaves something to be desired. I think it was the only game he played in the field with Chicago.

I'm probably being unfair and using hyperbole here, but that was a first class foul up.

For a team who had a glut of outfielders, we've come to this?

Well, there weren't/aren't at bats for Bruce, so....yes...

:cool:

[Matt700wlw]

Oh, Todd Coffey...

[WVRedsFan]

java time. yikes

Idea. Play Al Hirt's "Java" when he comes in at home.

Gotta spice it up a little, right?


I know,,,,

[WVRedsFan]

Well, there weren't/aren't at bats for Bruce, so....yes...

:cool:

There aren't? Ah, the arbitration clock strikes again...

[remdog]

I don't think that anyone realistically believes that Coats will be in the OF for the Reds next year. :)

Rem

[WVRedsFan]

Ellison. What an adventure the OF is tonight. And Coffey, too.

Dang.

5-3 bad guys going to the 7th.

[Chip R]

Idea. Play Al Hirt's "Java" when he comes in at home.

Gotta spice it up a little, right?


I know,,,,


A more appropriate one would be "Fire". ;)

[WVRedsFan]

I don't think that anyone realistically believes that Coats will be in the OF for the Reds next year. :)

Rem
I know, Rem. I just hate to see bad baseball. Ellison and Coats are two who need to be the throw ins on a trades sometime.

[Red in Chicago]

Ellison. What an adventure the OF is tonight. And Coffey, too.

Dang.

5-3 bad guys going to the 7th.

it's like having bo jackson, gary matthews sr and jose canseco out there...clueless

[Matt700wlw]

There aren't?

I didn't buy it either...

[WVRedsFan]

Gonzo is alive and gets the 7th started with a single.

[Matt700wlw]

Lopez pinch runs for Gonzo

[Matt700wlw]

Looking at the lineups tonight...this is a Fall Training game

[WVRedsFan]

Keppinger amazes me. He just hits and hits.

1st and second, one out, and HR Phillips up.

[Matt700wlw]

The "heart" of the order up...

[remdog]

Looking at the lineups tonight...this is a Fall Training game

They've reserected the California Fall League. :lol:

Rem

[Matt700wlw]

Stanton on.

What's with the Stanton-love all of a sudden? Is it coming from above?

[WVRedsFan]

Oh well, Brandon flies out deep and Edwin bounces to the pitcher and we are still 3-5 with only two more turns to go. And who's pitching...Stanton.

If anyone wanted to see the Reds without Dunn and Griffey (a lot of folks' wish), here you have it with oft injured Hamilton AWOL.

Yikes.

[WVRedsFan]

Stanton on.

What's with the Stanton-love all of a sudden? Is it coming from above?

How many times do you have to be told, Matt. Krivisky is not calling the shots. Never. Ever. Maybe. :D

[WVRedsFan]

Cantu showing why the golden glove is safe.

[TeamBoone]

Question.... what makes a 5th rule draft pick different from others? I hear it all the time; can't help it because we have two on our team, but I don't really know what it is.

Cantu should have had that ball.

[Matt700wlw]

Some guy named Kevin Francis is 4-4

[WVRedsFan]

Brittny's boyfriend 4-4.

[Matt700wlw]

Seniors matchup, here

[OnBaseMachine]

Question.... what makes a 5th rule draft pick different from others? I hear it all the time; can't help it because we have two on our team, but I don't really know what it is.

Cantu should have had that ball.

If chosen in the Rule 5 draft, a player must be kept on the selecting team's 25-man major league roster for the entire season after the draft--he may not be optioned or designated to the minors. The selecting team may, at any time, waive the Rule 5 draftee. If a Rule 5 draftee clears waivers by not signing with a new MLB team, he must be offered back to the original team, effectively canceling the Rule 5 draft choice. Once a Rule 5 draftee spends an entire season on his new team's 25-man roster, his status reverts to normal and he may be optioned or designated for assignment.

from wiki

[Matt700wlw]

Vizquel homers.


Mike Stanton strikes again....thanks

[OnBaseMachine]

Stanton allows a 3-run HR to Vizquel. 8-3 Giants.

[WVRedsFan]

I hate to say this, but Stanton really blows.

8-3 Giants. Sing the song Dandy Don.

[Matt700wlw]

Thankfully, Wayne Krivsky has assured Mike Stanton a job next season.

[TeamBoone]

Thanks for the explanation, OBM. Now, for the next question(s)... what makes a player eligible for the rule 5 draft? Obviously, not everyone falls into this category, so I'm assuming there's special criteria. And does every team get to pick one player in this category or how does that work?

Is it me, or is this game taking forever?

[WVRedsFan]

Thankfully, Wayne Krivsky has assured Mike Stanton a job next season.

Wayne, Wayne, he's our man. IF he can't do it...

The creator of tonight's lineup including Ellison, Coats, Cantu, and Stanton.

Have mercy.

[mbgrayson]

Vizquel 4 for 4 also; a triple shy of the cycle.

[OnBaseMachine]

Cantu doubles for the third time tonight.

[Matt700wlw]

Cantu can hit

[OnBaseMachine]

Votto again singles off a lefty and this time Cantu does score. I'll tell ya what, in a small sample size Votto has looked pretty good against lefties.

[WVRedsFan]

Votto. Who says he can't hit southpaws?

[Matt700wlw]

Votto. Who says he can't hit southpaws?

I'm sure somebody did.....he also can't play defense.

[OnBaseMachine]

also from wiki

Players signed at age 19 or older are exempt from the Rule 5 draft for four years after being drafted (in the amateur draft) or signed by their current organization; players drafted or signed at age 18 or younger are exempt for five years. For example, players drafted in 2004 (or later) at age 19 (or older) will be exempt from the 2007 Rule 5 draft, as will players drafted in 2003 (or later) at age 18 (or younger).

The exemption periods were extended by one year in October 2006 as part of a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. The change took effect immediately, exempting many players from the 2006 Rule 5 draft even though they had been signed in some cases more than four years before the new agreement came into effect. Prior to the rule change, players were exempt for three or four years after the year they were signed (regardless of the year they were drafted), rather than four or five years.

[WVRedsFan]

Ellison walks. Ross up for the DP chance. 1st and 2nd with 0 outs and down 4 runs. Bruce doesn't wait and let his pitcher finish...he goes to the pen.

Better options than Stanton, I'd guess.

Barry Bonds not back in 08--we've been told twenty times tonight as if I give a hoot.

[WVRedsFan]

Javy doubles and it's 8-5 as Tyler Walker is not treated well on his first pitch,

[WVRedsFan]

Dunner up and hits first pitch for a popup and there's one out.

[mbgrayson]

Right back in this thang...8-5, runners on 2nd and 3rd, no outs. JAVIER!

[OnBaseMachine]

Bad atbats by Dunn and Coats. Both weakly popped out on borderline first pitches. Wait for your pitch, don't swing at junk on the first pitch.

[WVRedsFan]

Coats impatient. Pops up first pitch but good enough to score the runner from third. 8-6 bad guys. Keppinger up with a runner oh second.

[WVRedsFan]

Kepp gets a hit but the runner doesn't score.

Now it's HR Phillips with runners on the corners. Brandon with the big swing. 0-1.

[OnBaseMachine]

And then Phillips swings at the first pitch which was eight inches outside and shoetop high.

[TeamBoone]

also from wiki

Players signed at age 19 or older are exempt from the Rule 5 draft for four years after being drafted (in the amateur draft) or signed by their current organization; players drafted or signed at age 18 or younger are exempt for five years. For example, players drafted in 2004 (or later) at age 19 (or older) will be exempt from the 2007 Rule 5 draft, as will players drafted in 2003 (or later) at age 18 (or younger).

The exemption periods were extended by one year in October 2006 as part of a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. The change took effect immediately, exempting many players from the 2006 Rule 5 draft even though they had been signed in some cases more than four years before the new agreement came into effect. Prior to the rule change, players were exempt for three or four years after the year they were signed (regardless of the year they were drafted), rather than four or five years.

I'm dense; maybe because it's late; maybe because I'm just naturally dense.... so, from wiki's description, it sounds like every player would automatically become a rule 5 draftee four or five years after he's drafted, though I know that's not the case.

[OnBaseMachine]

Phillips singles to score Valentin. 8-7.

[WVRedsFan]

Base hit Phillips. 8-7.

[Matt700wlw]

Now it's a 1 run game...

[OnBaseMachine]

I'm dense; maybe because it's late; maybe because I'm just naturally dense.... so, from wiki's description, it sounds like every player would automatically become a rule 5 draftee four or five years after he's drafted, though I know that's not the case.

Only if they remain in the minors after four or five years.

[WVRedsFan]

Come on, EDwin!

[WVRedsFan]

Wild play. We're tied.

[OnBaseMachine]

EdE RBI single. Phillips thrown out at the plate. 8-8 bottom 8.

[WVRedsFan]

Edwin singles, scoring the run and then Edwin gets caught off first as Phillips tries to score, getting thrown out in the process!

[BCubb2003]

You can't stop this lineup.

[Eric_Davis]

Wild night in San Francisco.

[Red in Chicago]

everyday in

[Red in Chicago]

dunn in as a late inning defensive replacement;)

[WVRedsFan]

Eddie's on. Hold your breath

[Chip R]

Only if they remain in the minors after four or five years.


And they are not on the 40 man roster. That's one of the reasons Jay Bruce wasn't called up. He doesn't need to be on the 40 man roster yet since he hasn't had enough time to be eligible for the Rule 5 draft. But if you call him up he has to go on the 40 man roster and someone else won't be protected. You can take him off the 40 man roster but he has to be designated for assignment then and someone would snatch him up off waivers.

[TeamBoone]

Only if they remain in the minors after four or five years.

Then everybody who stays in the majors is a rule 5 draftee... right? Yet, some they specify that's what they are (Hamilton, Burton) and others they don't (Dunn, for example).

[Eric_Davis]

Votto has a great ratio of RBI's per at-bat this year.

[WVRedsFan]

Pete's wierd. Cantu in for Edwin and Dunn in LF. What?

Strange.

Eddie K's the first batter.

[Eric_Davis]

Guardado goes in for Edwin,
Cantu moves from 1B to 3B,
Votto moves from LF to 1B,
Dunn stays in at LF,
Valentin stays in at Catcher.

[WVRedsFan]

Love the camera work by FSO. Votto takes the popup and there are two out

[KronoRed]

That is one bad defensive squad out there right now.

[mbgrayson]

nice catch Joey!

[Eric_Davis]

The Fog's rolling in....something's in the air.

[remdog]

I really liked that AB by EdE. He's in the cleanup slot, 2 out, tying run on second, clutch situation and EdE doesn't try to slam one out, he just squarely meets the ball and takes it up the middle.

That's the type of thing that, next year, if he's gonna' fill a spot in the middle of the lineup, EdE needs to do. :beerme:

Rem

[WVRedsFan]

Good inning by EDE. Tied after 8.

Come on guys, let's end this. Old man needs to lie down.

[WVRedsFan]

Good inning by EDE. Tied after 8.

Come on guys, let's end this. Old man needs to lie down.

[BCubb2003]

Then everybody who stays in the majors is a rule 5 draftee... right? Yet, some they specify that's what they are (Hamilton, Burton) and others they don't (Dunn, for example).

Only a certain number of players spend more than four or five years in the minors without being on the 40-man roster. Young stars like Griffey and Dunn certainly didn't. Even up-and-comers like Brandon Phillips didn't. Homer Bailey didn't. The Rule 5 draftee is the guy who's in danger of being buried in some team's farm system, and this gives hims a chance to get out and get an opportunity with someone else.

[remdog]

I really liked that AB by EdE. He's in the cleanup slot, 2 out, tying run on second, clutch situation and EdE doesn't try to slam one out, he just squarely meets the ball and takes it up the middle.

That's the type of thing that, next year, if he's gonna' fill a spot in the middle of the lineup, EdE needs to do. :beerme:

Rem

[Chip R]

Then everybody who stays in the majors is a rule 5 draftee... right? Yet, some they specify that's what they are (Hamilton, Burton) and others they don't (Dunn, for example).


No. Guys like Dunn were put on the 40 man roster so they were not eligible to be drafted. It's unusual to have 2 Rule 5 draftees on the roster all season. Because you can't send them down and they are deemed not ready to play in the majors yet, they usually don't get much playing time or they get offered back to their original team.

[Eric_Davis]

Let's go Votto,

Send one into the water against this Beach Boy.

[TeamBoone]

Only a certain number of players spend more than four or five years in the minors without being on the 40-man roster. Young stars like Griffey and Dunn certainly didn't. Even up-and-comers like Brandon Phillips didn't. Homer Bailey didn't. The Rule 5 draftee is the guy who's in danger of being buried in some team's farm system, and this gives hims a chance to get out and get an opportunity with someone else.

In the minors.... aha! That's what I was missing. I thought it was in the majors, and that's why it wasn't making sense to me.

[remdog]

Having gotten the Giants feed for the last two nights, I have to say that I like the Giants announcing team, even though I'm not sure who they are. Is Duane Keiper one of them?

Rem

[OnBaseMachine]

Votto missed a double by a foot or so. 1-2 count. He's 2-for-4 tonight. He fouls another off. Ball two away. He fouls another off to the left. 2-2 still. Ball three up and away. Third time tonight he's had a three ball count. He then K's swinging on ball four shoulder height.

[Red in Chicago]

Having gotten the Giants feed for the last two nights, I have to say that I like the Giants announcing team, even though I'm not sure who they are. Is Duane Keiper one of them?

Rem

yes, in answer to your question...they're objective, but kind of boring...like they need some caffeine or something

[WVRedsFan]

1-2-3 inning for the Reds. Hold em boys!

[mbgrayson]

Wilson is bringing it...98 on one there a second ago. Ellison grounds out...

[WVRedsFan]

McBeth on for the walk off..

I'm sorry, Marcus does not impress me.,

[remdog]

yes, in answer to your question...they're objective, but kind of boring...like they need some caffeine or something

I like their paceing. They've been funny at times and you have to remember that they are announcing for a team that's actually worse than the Reds. ;)

Any idea who the other guy is? Sounds like he was a pitcher.

Rem

[TeamBoone]

McBeth on for the walk off..

I'm sorry, Marcus does not impress me.,

He pitched pretty well when they brought him up earlier in the season. He doesn't look like the same guy now, though he did really well that inning.

I hope he clicks, because I like him.

[WVRedsFan]

McBeth gets a 1-2-3 inning and we go to extras. Why do I stay up?

[Eric_Davis]

Get this out 'cause the next two guys are 8 for 8.

[WVRedsFan]

He pitched pretty well when they brought him up earlier in the season. He doesn't look like the same guy now, though he did really well that inning.

I hope he clicks, because I like him.

Yeah, me too. And I want him to do well. I just think he needs more seasoning.

[Matt700wlw]

If it wasn't 1:30am, I don't think I would mind this too much...


Oh well! Let's play on!

[Red in Chicago]

I like their paceing. They've been funny at times and you have to remember that they are announcing for a team that's actually worse than the Reds. ;)

Any idea who the other guy is? Sounds like he was a pitcher.

Rem

mike krukow who used to pitch for the cubs and maybe even the giants?

[WVRedsFan]

Javy up and out on two pitches and now Dunn who's 3-17 against Kline.

[WVRedsFan]

Dunn gets a single the other way. Now we get Coats.

[WVRedsFan]

Coats gets a single. 1st and 2nd with one out. Double switch coming up. I wish they'd left Kline in...

[Red in Chicago]

back to back singles...please, let's get a run or two here, so we can go to bed

[Matt700wlw]

Well, that was good

[Red in Chicago]

are you kidding me with the double play:rolleyes:

[WVRedsFan]

I'm taking a break. Carry on...

Weary, weary...

[KronoRed]

Move the Giants back to New York!!

..so this game would be over already ;)

[Red in Chicago]

why can't we get this guy out...5 for 5...giants threatening with omar up

[Red in Chicago]

finally got omar out on a popup. 1 out, man on first still...maj and bray warming up

[remdog]

Nice job by Marcus. Stikes out Wynn. We're goin' to the 11th at 8 all.

Rem

[Matt700wlw]

Harang to hit

:lol:

[Matt700wlw]

Harang bunts, Phillips goes all out to seconds, says "what the hell" and keeps going!

Safe at third!

[Matt700wlw]

Cantu!!

Reds Lead 9-8!!

[remdog]

Phillips take advantage of the third baseman trying to field Harang's sac but and goes from 1st to 3rd.

Cantu drives in Brandon with a fly to Center.

Rem

[Eric_Davis]

Harang bunts, Phillips goes all out to seconds, says "what the hell" and keeps going!

Safe at third!


Trade this guy? I don't think so.

[Matt700wlw]

Trade this guy? I don't think so.

BUILD around this guy...he's foundation

[BCubb2003]

Harang with the two-base bunt.

[Eric_Davis]

So, is Harang the pitcher of record?!

;)

[919191]

My wife was watching on the couch with the Reds down 8-3. She fell asleep, and I shook her and told her to go to bed as this game was done. She is gonna kick my butt in the morning!

[Matt700wlw]

My wife was watching on the couch with the Reds down 8-3. She fell asleep, and I shook her and told her to go to bed as this game was done. She is gonna kick my butt in the morning!

Hope your couch is comfy :p:

[919191]

Hope your couch is comfy :p:

She seemed to think so.:)

[Eric_Davis]

Padres/Rockies tied at 1-1 in the 14th.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice D from Dunn.




What?

[WVRedsFan]

I'm back. It's now or never and Dunn makes a good catch.

Trade him before he gets good...

[Matt700wlw]

Iffy scares everyone.

[WVRedsFan]

Weathers is all excitement all the time.

[WVRedsFan]

TOBTTR.

Good night Mrs. Kallabash and all the ships at sea.

Good game even though Dandy Don refused to sing.

This is a bonus with this lineup!

[remdog]

Reds scrubs beat Giants scrubs with a comback from 5 down in the 8th. (shrug)

Rem

[Eric_Davis]

It wasn't a HR, Matt, but this win deserves some jumping smilies.

[WVRedsFan]

It wasn't a HR, Matt, but this win deserves some jumping smilies.
Matt's asleep.

[TOBTTReds]

Great finish. Way to play.

[Matt700wlw]

:jump:

[M2]

Tonight Brandon Phillips made me love him even more than I did before. I follow the numbers as much as anyone, but he's worth the price of admission.

[Patrick Bateman]

Tonight Brandon Phillips made me love him even more than I did before. I follow the numbers as much as anyone, but he's worth the price of admission.

I definitely agree here. I am probably one of Phillips' bigger critics because his plate approach drives me crazy, but you can't argue witht the excitement he brings to the game. He's one of the few guys that really seems to be putting his all into every game. You have to admire that.

[lollipopcurve]

Great game -- how many times has Phillips electrified in big moments late in the game? For as much as people rag on him for not having a certain hitting approach, it should be recognized that this kid has very, very good baseball instincts. He hasn't peaked yet.

For my money, late in the season when the team's out of the race, I like seeing the Coatses and Ellisons on the field....

[WVRedsFan]

I definitely agree here. I am probably one of Phillips' bigger critics because his plate approach drives me crazy, but you can't argue witht the excitement he brings to the game. He's one of the few guys that really seems to be putting his all into every game. You have to admire that.

What you talking about, Willis? :)

Hack, hack, hack. But he's successful with it. It's also the reason he goes through dry spells, too. I guess he is what he is and that's OK by me.

[Patrick Bateman]

What you talking about, Willis? :)

Hack, hack, hack. But he's successful with it. It's also the reason he goes through dry spells, too. I guess he is what he is and that's OK by me.

Well it's the thing that seperates him from being great. IMO, he's good and not great. Nothing wrong with that at all. He's been a very nice guy to have around.

I'm just not sure how much I'm going to appreciate his game when he's making the big bucks in a few years.

And it's 'watchu' not 'what you' :)

[traderumor]

Perhaps Phillips would not be effective if he were more "disciplined" at the plate. There seems to be this little OBP prototype that every offensive player is supposed to fit and if he doesn't, then he garners a lot of criticism.

[Patrick Bateman]

Perhaps Phillips would not be effective if he were more "disciplined" at the plate. There seems to be this little OBP prototype that every offensive player is supposed to fit and if he doesn't, then he garners a lot of criticism.

Look I'm not neccessarily saying that he needs to change his approach. I don't have the slightest clue if that would actually help him. I assume Phillips is using the approach that makes him the best player he can be.

I'm basing my opinions on his total abilities. If he had a SLG of .600 I would forget about the OBP because his other abilities more than make up for it. Phillips is often made out to be a premiere player, but IMO, because of his OBP problems, he is not. His other abilties simply don't make up for it.

I think Phillips is an above average 2nd basemen (I'd rank him as having around the 10th best season), but lately I'm hearing tons of people saying he's the 2nd best in baseball. I think his total game is overrated, and is probably going to be overpaid by quite a bit eventually.

I truly like Phillips and enjoy watching him play, but I think it's getting to the point where the expectations are too high for him. He's a terrific asset to have especially considering how barren the middle infield has been other than him, but his lack of OBP simply can't be ignored IMO. He is who he is, and that's a very fine 2nd basemen. Just not elite level that he's made out to be.