9/23/07 vs Really large guys

[Matt700wlw]

FINAL ROAD GAME!!!!!!!!

Hopper cf
Keppinger ss
Cantu 2b
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Votto 1b
Ellison rf
Ross c
Harang p

[Tom Servo]

Cantu at his "natural" position of 2B could be fun to watch in a horror show kind of way.

[KronoRed]

Someone burn the rule that says Dunn can't bat 3rd.

[OnBaseMachine]

I don't understand sitting Dunn against a righty and then turn around and playing him against the lefty. If his knee is sore then give him today off also and then play him Tuesday night against the Astros.

[PuffyPig]

I don't understand sitting Dunn against a righty and then turn around and playing him against the lefty. If his knee is sore then give him today off also and then play him Tuesday night against the Astros.

I'm guessing his knee has improved with a day of rest.

[TeamBoone]

I'm guessing his knee has improved with a day of rest.

Two days isn't it?

[Big Klu]

I like the shorter pants and all-black shoes that Norris is sporting!

[Red in Chicago]

I like the shorter pants and all-black shoes that Norris is sporting!

It is a nice look, but those pants are a bit too tight;)

Kepp with a two run bomb!!!

[OnBaseMachine]

I was just about to ask why in the heck Hopper is wearing skin tight pants?!? He looks like Kramer in that episode of Seinfield where he wears those pants about five sizes too small.

[Red in Chicago]

I was just about to ask why in the heck Hopper is wearing skin tight pants?!? He looks like Kramer in that episode of Seinfield where he wears those pants about five sizes too small.

They're almost like ballet tights:eek:

[OnBaseMachine]

Keppinger 2-run HR. 2-0 Reds.

Cantu GO followed by a Dunn walk.

[OnBaseMachine]

They're almost like ballet tights:eek:

If he dives for a ball I'm not sure he'll be able to get back up on his own.

[OnBaseMachine]

EdE doubles to left, Dunn holds at 3rd.

[OnBaseMachine]

Votto K's. Rough week for him.

[Red in Chicago]

dunn tried to knock the ball out, but catcher did a nice job of holding on

[OnBaseMachine]

Bad baserunning by Dunn there. Perfect bunt by Ellison and for some reason Dunn paused. He scores if not for the pause. Disappointing inning after having 2nd and 3rd and only one out and failing to score.

[oneupper]

Squeeze play, but someone forgot to tell Dunn.

[RFS62]

Looks like Dunn remembers how to play football

[RFS62]

Anyone think Dunn gets plunked next time up?

[flyer85]

Squeeze play, but someone forgot to tell Dunn.
not with two outs. Bunting(for a hit) with runners on 2nd and 3rd with two outs is just plain stupid.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang needs two strikeouts for two consecutive 200+ strikeout seasons. And there is #199.

[Falls City Beer]

Anyone think Dunn gets plunked next time up?

With Dusty managing, yes. Bochy, maybe.

[flyer85]

Anyone think Dunn gets plunked next time up?if he does I hope he goes out to the mound

[OnBaseMachine]

not with two outs. Bunting(for a hit) with runners on 2nd and 3rd with two outs is just plain stupid.

But it worked. It was a perfect bunt. That's not a bad play there because that's about the only way Ellison can get on.

[OnBaseMachine]

Strikeout #200 for Harang!

1-2-3 inning.

[flyer85]

But it worked. It was a perfect bunt. That's not a bad play there because that's about the only way Ellison can get on.it is because Dunn should have stayed at 3rd(his initial instinct), it was a hit that couldn't even score one run much less two(swing the damn bat or find another job.)

[OnBaseMachine]

it is because Dunn should have stayed at 3rd(his initial instinct), it was a hit that couldn't even score one run much less two(swing the damn bat or find another job.)

Dunn would have scored had he broke for home on contact.

[Red in Chicago]

stats neutralizer has ross hitting .181:eek:

[flyer85]

Dunn would have scored had he broke for home on contact. It was just plain stupid to bunt up the 3rd base line in that situation because it gives the 3rd baseman a much easier play at the plate than going to 1st. If Dunn had broke on contact he would likely would have scored but the 3rd baseman would still have gone to the plate.

[PuffyPig]

it is because Dunn should have stayed at 3rd(his initial instinct)...


It's too bad Dunn wasn't in little league.

With too outs, they are taught to run on contact. If his initial instint is to freeze, his intincts are out of wack.

Bunting for a base hit with a runner on third only and 2 outs may make some sense, but with 2nd and 3rd I don't know.

[flyer85]

wiith too outs, they are taught to run on contact. If his initial instint is to freeze, his intincts are out of wack.

I was taught on a bunt down the 3rd base line(non-squeeze) you hold at 3rd because it give the 3B a much easier play. Just like when you are on 2nd you hold on a ground ball in the hole until it gets into the OF because if you go and are wrong you give the infielder a play he otherwise did not have.

[Falls City Beer]

Bunting there is high risk low reward.

Atlanta is in the process of driving a stake through the heart of the Brewers.

I don't like the Cubs, but I love seeing Milwaukee getting their comeuppance for 99.

Bastards. :D

[Matt700wlw]

Comeuppance. Nice word

:D

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang made Aurilia look silly with a slider down and away. He then follows it up with a fastball and then a hanging slider up. I don't understand Reds pitchers sometimes.

[OnBaseMachine]

2-0 Reds after 2.

[Matt700wlw]

Dunner getting booed :lol:

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn K's looking on a pitch away.

[PuffyPig]

I was taught on a bunt down the 3rd base line(non-squeeze) you hold at 3rd because it give the 3B a much easier play. Just like when you are on 2nd you hold on a ground ball in the hole until it gets into the OF because if you go and are wrong you give the infielder a play he otherwise did not have.

If Dunn breaks on contact, the force play at first will always be an easier play that the tag play at home. If the bunter can beat out the bunt, Dunn should score easily.

[OnBaseMachine]

Gotta love Giants fan. They boo Dunn for trying to score using a clean play but they support the biggest cheater in baseball.

[TeamBoone]

I was just about to ask why in the heck Hopper is wearing skin tight pants?!? He looks like Kramer in that episode of Seinfield where he wears those pants about five sizes too small.

They said it's a rookie hazing stunt by the "vets" on the team.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang has had four starts this year where he three 7 innings or more of one run or less ball and got a no decision. Just a little bit of offense in those games and Harang would have 20 wins right now. That doesn't even factor in the blown saves of which there have been a few. Harang could easily have 20 wins coming into today.

[mbgrayson]

After 3: Reds 2, Giants 0

Harang at 29 pitches
Blackley at 59 pitches

[OnBaseMachine]

Votto's rough week continues.

[oneupper]

Bunting there is high risk low reward.

Atlanta is in the process of driving a stake through the heart of the Brewers.

I don't like the Cubs, but I love seeing Milwaukee getting their comeuppance for 99.

Bastards. :D

Unfortunately this could make the season-ending series with Chicago meaningless.

It would be nice to give them some trouble.

[oneupper]

Ump really opened up the strike zone for Blackley

[OnBaseMachine]

Ross with a two out single.

I'd like to see Krivsky target a young catcher in the offseason, someone like a Jeff Mathis from the Angels. He could probably be had cheaply considering his struggles this season.

[Falls City Beer]

Ross with a two out single.

I'd like to see Krivsky target a young catcher in the offseason, someone like a Jeff Mathis from the Angels. He could probably be had cheaply considering his struggles this season.

I'd be happy having an athlete behind home plate instead of these stony golems like Ross and Valentin.

Wayne pays massive lip service to D and athleticism in the field, but in one of the positions where defense REALLY matters, he's got a couple of stonehanded blobs.

[OnBaseMachine]

Fransden singles to right but Ellison throws him out trying to stretch it into a double. 1 out.

[oneupper]

Ellison showing a nice arm there.

[Red in Chicago]

Fransden singles to right but Ellison throws him out trying to stretch it into a double. 1 out.

not much prettier things in baseball, than watching an outfielder gun down a runner

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang K's Lewis. 4th K for Harang. 2 outs.

[mbgrayson]

Aurillia has Harang's number....

[Red in Chicago]

At the beginning of the year, I bet the ESPN heads thought they had a real gem of a game scheduled for tonight (Cards/Stros)...what a shame it's a complete dud:D

[OnBaseMachine]

Aurilia is 2-for-2 after that single. Dude can't hit no one else but the Reds.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang: 4 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K

47 pitches.

[OnBaseMachine]

Hopper probably beats that out with baggier pants.;)

[PuffyPig]

Harang has had four starts this year where he three 7 innings or more of one run or less ball and got a no decision. Just a little bit of offense in those games and Harang would have 20 wins right now. That doesn't even factor in the blown saves of which there have been a few. Harang could easily have 20 wins coming into today.

Don't forget the games where Harang pitched poorly but got the win. They tend to average out.

His record of 16-4 is pretty good for a guy with an ERA of 3.60

[WVRedsFan]

The more I look at Hopper's attire, the more it reminds me of a boss I once had who wore what we called "high water pants." He also wore white socks. Ugh.

Either wear them real high like baeball pants or not at all. He looks ridiculous.

[OnBaseMachine]

I went back and counted the games Harang pitched poorly in and got the win and my count was three.

[TeamBoone]

Either wear them real high like baeball pants or not at all. He looks ridiculous.

Told ya... it's a hazing stunt.

[OnBaseMachine]

Strikeout #5 for Harang. 1 out in the 5th.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bloop single.

[OnBaseMachine]

Strikeout #6 for Harang. 2 outs.

[OnBaseMachine]

Velez PH for Blackley and quickly falls behind 0-2. Ball high. Next pitch is called a ball on a very close pitch. Velez K's swinging. Harang K's the side.

5 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 7 K

62 pitches, 48 strikes.

[OnBaseMachine]

Votto singles to LCF off a lefty.

[OnBaseMachine]

Ellison lines a single to right, Votto holds at 2nd. 2 outs. Dunn and EdE grounded out to begin the inning.

[OnBaseMachine]

Pitching change with Ross coming up.

[BCubb2003]

Told ya... it's a hazing stunt.

It's one thing if it's around the hotel or airport, but can they tke that kind of thing onto the field like that?

[OnBaseMachine]

At this point in the season I get ticked at myself if I miss even one pitch of a game because I know that baseball season will be ending before long.

Ross 2-run double! 4-0 Reds.

[WVRedsFan]

Pitching change with Ross coming up.

I wonder why they bother. Ross is as sure an out as there is on this team.

[WVRedsFan]

works every time.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang allows a leadoff single to Davis. Come on Aaron.

[OnBaseMachine]

And the Reds still can't get the scrub Fransden out as he singles to right. Harang is in danger of losing his shutout to the worst offense I have ever seen.

[OnBaseMachine]

RBI double by freaking Lewis. 4-1 Giants. What the hell are you doing Aaron?

[Big Klu]

The more I look at Hopper's attire, the more it reminds me of a boss I once had who wore what we called "high water pants." He also wore white socks. Ugh.

Either wear them real high like baeball pants or not at all. He looks ridiculous.

It would look better with stirrups instead of solid red socks.

[Matt700wlw]

Since I forgot earlier, for Keppinger...

:jump:

[OnBaseMachine]

Popout to Cantu. 1 out.

[OnBaseMachine]

RBI groundout makes it a 4-2 game.

[Big Klu]

RBI double by freaking Lewis. 4-1 Giants. What the hell are you doing Aaron?

BTW, Buck Coats is now in LF for Adam Dunn. Wonder if the knee is bothering him after the collision at home.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn left the game with soreness in his knee. Again I ask, why did he even start? Should have given him the day off and brought him back Tuesday.

[Matt700wlw]

:laugh:

[OnBaseMachine]

Feliz homers. Tie game.

[Matt700wlw]

What happened?

[WVRedsFan]

Harang goes haywire. The one thing that bothers me about Aaron is when he starts getting the ball up, he looks like a little leaguer in the majors.

[OnBaseMachine]

That is pathetic. Pathetio. This is Harang's worst outing of the year considering the double-A lineup he is facing. That's embarrassing for a pitcher of Harang's caliber to give up four runs to this poor excuse of a lineup.

[WVRedsFan]

Hopper does his best Ryan Freel imitation.

[Big Klu]

Good backup by Ellison, though.

[OnBaseMachine]

Four runs on nine hits in 5.2 innings against the worst offense in baseball. Maybe the worst lineup in baseball history.

[WVRedsFan]

Good backup by Ellison, though.
Still should have been a single had Hopper used his head and not tried to be the hero. That's certainly not his forte.

[Matt700wlw]

A-Rod to the Cubs rumors....according to a NY magazine....and A-Rod would have ownership rights with the club...I guess The Anti-Christ is working on a "mega deal"

[WVRedsFan]

Thanks to Hopper, we are behind.

[Matt700wlw]

This is going well

[OnBaseMachine]

5-4 Giants.

Forget any talk of Harang receiving Cy Young votes after this pathetic outing. This is by far his worst outing of the season.

[WVRedsFan]

Harang is leaving the ball up to every batter. He needs to be sit down for his own protection.

[WVRedsFan]

5-4 Giants.

Forget any talk of Harang receiving Cy Young votes after this pathetic outing. This is by far his worst outing of the season.

Realistically he didn't have any chance anyway with Peavy pitching like he is. I just hate to see him throw every pitch up and lose it so quickly.

[oneupper]

5-4 Giants.

Forget any talk of Harang receiving Cy Young votes after this pathetic outing. This is by far his worst outing of the season.

He's had worse. April 13 vs CHC. Aug 19 vs, Mil.

Inning got away from him.

[Matt700wlw]

5-4 Giants.

Forget any talk of Harang receiving Cy Young votes after this pathetic outing. This is by far his worst outing of the season.

So because of that he'll recieve no Cy Young votes??


Ok....

[OnBaseMachine]

He's had worse. April 13 vs CHC. Aug 19 vs, Mil.

Inning got away from him.

At least the Cubs and Brewers have good lineups. This lineup of the Giants is the worst lineup I have ever seen. Even worse than some of the Reds lineups in late 2001. :eek:

Meanwhile, Hopper has walked three times today. :eek:

[WVRedsFan]

Nothing gives me more confidence than seeing Buck Coats at cleanup.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang probably would have received a couple votes but an outing like this late in the season could cost him those few votes. Maybe not fair but it's possible.

[KittyDuran]

Harang probably would have received a couple votes but an outing like this late in the season could cost him those few votes. Maybe not fair but it's possible.IIRC - he didn't receive ANY votes last year. :(

[pedro]

The ball Feliz hit wasn't even a strike.

[Falls City Beer]

Harang probably would have received a couple votes but an outing like this late in the season could cost him those few votes. Maybe not fair but it's possible.

When he's not really in the discussion of Cy Young (and let's not kid ourselves, Aaron's a country mile from true Cy Young consideration), I don't get too worked up about him not receiving votes. Maybe that will shrink his price tag when it's time for his next contract.

[mth123]

Harang is still a stud. So he lost it late in a meaningless game late in the season? I think its time to shut him down. He has been ridden hard the last two years and the with the Cubs pulling away, the Reds really have no more meaningful games. Save the wear and tear for next year when it may mean something. The guy has to be worn out.

[OnBaseMachine]

Called strike two at Votto's ankles.

[Falls City Beer]

Harang is still a stud. So he lost it late in a meaningless game late in the season? I think its time to shut him down. He has been ridden hard the last two years and the with the Cubs pulling away, the Reds really have no more meaningful games. Save the wear and tear for next year when it may mean something. The guy has to be worn out.

Peavy's a stud. Aaron's Mr. Reliable. I wish there weren't a difference. But there is.

But I agree. Shut him down.

[PuffyPig]

When he's not really in the discussion of Cy Young (and let's not kid ourselves, Aaron's a country mile from true Cy Young consideration), I don't get too worked up about him not receiving votes. Maybe that will shrink his price tag when it's time for his next contract.

Somehow I do not think that a few less votes this year will make much difference 4 years from now.

[Falls City Beer]

Somehow I do not think that a few less votes this year will make much difference 4 years from now.

It all matters.

[OnBaseMachine]

I also agree that shutting him down would be the smart decision.

[PuffyPig]

It all matters.


From dumping his salary at the dealine to signing him 4 years from now.

You`ve come full circle.

[Chip R]

Aaron will receive votes but they may not necessarily be 1st place votes. Last year he didn't receive any votes.

[OnBaseMachine]

I'd like to see Salmon here in the 8th. Or are we just going to continue to let him rot away in the pen despite him having solid numbers this year?

[Falls City Beer]

From dumping his salary at the dealine to signing him 4 years from now.

You`ve come full circle.

Keep harping on something you took out of context. I've never wanted to "dump" his salary. Trade for prospects/other MLB talent if the deal is right? Yep. Just dump the guy? Never.

[oneupper]

Valentin doubles...do we have anyone who can run for him?

[PuffyPig]

Keep harping on something you took out of context. I've never wanted to "dump" his salary. Trade for prospects/other MLB talent if the deal is right? Yep. Just dump the guy? Never.

Reread the thread. It wasn`t out of context.

You`re suggestion that he be traded as a rebuilding process is out of context, as you mentioned none of that.

You only talked about how he wasn`t pitching up to his massive salary, but hoped he could begin to pitch better before July 31.

[mth123]

Peavy's a stud. Aaron's Mr. Reliable. I wish there weren't a difference. But there is.

But I agree. Shut him down.

Agree he isn't Peavey, but he's one of the top 5 to 10 starters in the NL. That makes him a stud IMO but its just semantics I suppose.

[mbgrayson]

Valentin doubles...do we have anyone who can run for him?

ANY of those pitchers is faster than Javier. GET SOMEONE IN>>...

[Chip R]

Valentin doubles...do we have anyone who can run for him?


Only about half a dozen guys.

[oneupper]

Maybe Hanigan didn't make the trip?

[WVRedsFan]

If Mackann is sadled with this lineup the rest of the season it's going to be a rough ride. No Hatteberg, no Gonzo, no Griffey, no Hamilton and no Dunn just emasculates this team offensively. Everytime you look up and see Jason Ellison or Buck coats you know what is going to happen (or at least you think you do. And Pete's comments on Dunn don't sound good. His knee is getting "progrssively...I don't want to say progressively, but it's worse." Uh-Oh.

For those who wanted to see the kids (and I'm one of those, btw), this is what you get.

[KittyDuran]

If Mackann is sadled with this lineup the rest of the season it's going to be a rough ride. No Hatteberg, no Gonzo, no Griffey, no Hamilton and no Dunn just emasculates this team offensively. Everytime you look up and see Jason Ellison or Buck coats you know what is going to happen (or at least you think you do. And Pete's comments on Dunn don't sound good. His knee is getting "progrssively...I don't want to say progressively, but it's worse." Uh-Oh.

For those who wanted to see the kids (and I'm one of those, btw), this is what you get.Yeah, but I want BRUCE!!! :)

[Matt700wlw]

Yeah, but I want BRUCE!!! :)

There aren't at bats for him....so I'm told.

[pedro]

There aren't at bats for him....so I'm told.

That's so not true.

It's been explained to you over and over again why Bruce was not called up. It has to do with management of the 40 man roster and it was absolutely the right thing to do whether you like it or not.

TMBS, I'd have like to see Bruce play too but that doesn't make it a good decision.

[KronoRed]

Yeah, but I want BRUCE!!! :)

Patience, he'll soon be the new savior who better win the triple crown or else ;)

[KittyDuran]

Patience, he'll soon be the new savior who better win the triple crown or else ;)Maybe... but for this season ticket holder I'd like to see something better than Ellison. :thumbdown

[Tony Cloninger]

Hope the knee for Dunn is not a chronic thing .....the playoffs are here!

Seriously....if he needs surgery that is not good.

I agree about AH outing......i changed before that inning to the football game for about 5 minutes and than i cme back and see this? He looked like the 2003-2004 Harang.

[WVRedsFan]

That's so not true.

It's been explained to you over and over again why Bruce was not called up. It has to do with management of the 40 man roster and it was absolutely the right thing to do whether you like it or not.

TMBS, I'd have like to see Bruce play too but that doesn't make it a good decision.

I'm not sure, but I'm not in charge, so it matters less what I think,but here it is anyway.

Not bringing up Bruce solidfies that the Reds are not trading Dunn and Griffey and have their outfield set for 2008--Dunn, Hamilton, and Griffey with Freel and Hopper filling in whenever. IMO, the Reds would be better served with Bruce than Freel and Hopper, but there is so much love for these very frustrating players that it doesn't make sense to reiterate it here. A better question is why we even comtemplated bringing Coats and Ellison to the big club. Another typical move by Krivsky to pick players off the scrap heep, throw them at the wall to see if they stick (or IOWs hope to catch lightening in a bottle) while the solution is already at Lousville. I understand that if your outfield is set, why start the arb clock this year and bring Bruce up next year, however.

[Ron Madden]

It's all about managing the 40 man roster.

Bruce dosen't have to be protected with a 40 man roster spot right now.

It only makes sense to save room on the 40 man roster to protect players you might loose in the rule 5 draft.

[pedro]

I'm not sure, but I'm not in charge, so it matters less what I think,but here it is anyway.

Not bringing up Bruce solidfies that the Reds are not trading Dunn and Griffey and have their outfield set for 2008--Dunn, Hamilton, and Griffey with Freel and Hopper filling in whenever. IMO, the Reds would be better served with Bruce than Freel and Hopper, but there is so much love for these very frustrating players that it doesn't make sense to reiterate it here. A better question is why we even comtemplated bringing Coats and Ellison to the big club. Another typical move by Krivsky to pick players off the scrap heep, throw them at the wall to see if they stick (or IOWs hope to catch lightening in a bottle) while the solution is already at Lousville. I understand that if your outfield is set, why start the arb clock this year and bring Bruce up next year, however.

you just don't get it.

Coats and Ellison were brought in BECAUSE they are expendable and because the Reds will have 2 extra slots on the 40 man roster when they are DFA'd after the season.

They didn't bring Bruce up b/c he wasn't already on the 40 man and because once he is they'd have to pass him through waivers if they wanted to take him off.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Griffey or Dunn (or Freel or Hopper). The Reds will only put Bruce on the 40 man if he makes the team out of spring training. I honestly can't see why people have such a hard time understanding this concept.

[KittyDuran]

you just don't get it.

Coats and Ellison were brought in BECAUSE they are expendable and because the Reds will have 2 extra slots on the 40 man roster when they are DFA'd after the season.

They didn't bring Bruce up b/c he wasn't already on the 40 man and because once he is they'd have to pass him through waivers if they wanted to take him off.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Griffey or Dunn. The Reds will only put Bruce on the 40 man if he makes the team out of spring training. I honestly can't see why people have such a hard time understanding this concept.Oh I understand the concept - doesn't mean that I have to like it...:p:

[pedro]

Oh I understand the concept - doesn't mean that I have to like it...:p:

I'm sure you do Kitty.

It's not that I wouldn't have liked to see Bruce too or that I'm particularly enamored with the idea of watching Ellison and Coats play, it's just that the tendency to crap all over Krivsky for everything little thing he does doesn't really help foster intelligent discussion on this board. There are plenty of things to criticize Krivsky over, however, this is not one of them.

[WVRedsFan]

you just don't get it.

Coats and Ellison were brought in BECAUSE they are expendable and because the Reds will have 2 extra slots on the 40 man roster when they are DFA'd after the season.

They didn't bring Bruce up b/c he wasn't already on the 40 man and because once he is they'd have to pass him through waivers if they wanted to take him off.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Griffey or Dunn (or Freel or Hopper). The Reds will only put Bruce on the 40 man if he makes the team out of spring training. I honestly can't see why people have such a hard time understanding this concept.

I guess we're not as smart as you are...:)

Seriously, yes, I understand that fully, but I think the other applies too. I also don't believe anyone on the Reds think they would want to take him off the 40-man, but who knows.



it's just that the tendency to crap all over Krivsky for everything little thing he does doesn't really help foster intelligent discussion on this board. There are plenty of things to criticize Krivsky over, however, this is not one of them.

To each his own. I still don't like acquisitions like Coats and Ellison because they bring nothing to the team. And they do delay young, cheap talent from getting to the majors quicker, as we've seen with Votto, who I think had a wonderful spring and hit the cover off the ball in AAA and now at the MLB level (the culprit here was Conine), so it's opinion. My opinion. Whether it agrees even with the majority on here or whether it does not matters not. If my opinion is that I don't like moves Krivsky makes, it's my opinion and if it does not jive with yours, I'm sorry.

[pedro]

I guess we're not as smart as you are...:)

Seriously, yes, I understand that fully, but I think the other applies too. I also don't believe anyone on the Reds think they would want to take him off the 40-man, but who knows.

I just broke my rule about posting today, so I guess I'll just sit here in my ignorance for another day...

Of course they won't want to take him off once he's on but being that they are most likely in the trade market this offseason doesn't it make sense to have as much flexibility as possible?

Honestly, what's to be gained from having Bruce up here now other than the fact that we, as fans, would rather watch him than Coats and Ellison? (that's rhetorical, I don't expect you to break you're rule and reply) ;)

[WVRedsFan]

Of course they won't want to take him off once he's on but being that they are most likely in the trade market this offseason doesn't it make sense to have as much flexibility as possible?

Honestly, what's to be gained from having Bruce up here now other than the fact that we, as fans, would rather watch him than Coats and Ellison? (that's rhetorical, I don't expect you to break you're rule and reply) ;)

Too late. I'll already busted it to smithereens :). That's the only reason. He would give better play (hopefully) and more pleasureable to watch. Give us something to look forward to when he's at bat. Lots of things. For too long we've spent the end of the season with the same story. Everyone hurt, nothing to play for, and lousy baseball. I'd like to end that someday, but I don't look for it to happen anytime soon.

[pedro]

Too late. I'll already busted it to smithereens :). That's the only reason. He would give better play (hopefully) and more pleasureable to watch. Give us something to look forward to when he's at bat. Lots of things. For too long we've spent the end of the season with the same story. Everyone hurt, nothing to play for, and lousy baseball. I'd like to end that someday, but I don't look for it to happen anytime soon.

That's fine and perfectly understandable but don't try and paint it as some bad decision by Krivsky based on some notion that a) they are really interested in Ellison and Coats as long term solutions or b) that it some how means that Bruce isn't going to have a chance to make the team out of spring training.

[PuffyPig]

To each his own. I still don't like acquisitions like Coats and Ellison because they bring nothing to the team. And they do delay young, cheap talent from getting to the majors quicker, as we've seen with Votto, who I think had a wonderful spring and hit the cover off the ball in AAA and now at the MLB level (the culprit here was Conine), so it's opinion. My opinion. Whether it agrees even with the majority on here or whether it does not matters not. If my opinion is that I don't like moves Krivsky makes, it's my opinion and if it does not jive with yours, I'm sorry.


It is possible that delaying Votto as they did ensured that when he did comeup he was major league ready.

I don't think that if Votto maded the team in the spring, and got 200 AB's this year, that he would likely be as good as he is now.

There's nothing wrong with allowing players to reach the majors at a time when they are truly ready.

And, of course, it's possible that Votto would have hit right off the bat if he stayed.