9/27/2007 Reds Vs Astros

[cumberlandreds]

Here you go. First one I've started this season. It's been a crazy summer.

Is it Louisville vs Round Rock again?

Redlegs v. Rastros 9.27

Hopper cf
Keppinger 2b
Votto lf
Encarnacion 3b
Cantu 1b
Ross c
Ellison rf
Lopez ss
Belisle p

Rastros
Anderson cf
Burke 2b
Berkman 1b
Lee lf
Pence rf
Lamb 3b
Brunlett ss
Towles c
Rodriguez p

[KronoRed]

Yikes :lol:

[Big Klu]

I figured that Brandon would get the night off after hitting his 30th homer last night. Mack has been wanting to get him some rest.

[Matt700wlw]

Louisville vs Round Rock....round 3

:)

[redsmetz]

My grandma was a huge Red fan, crying when Frank Robinson got traded. She's been gone for 40 years now, but today is the 91st anniversary of their wedding - win one for grandma and grandpa!

[PuffyPig]

Louisville vs Round Rock....round 3

:)

Those Round Rocks sure have a nice middle of the lineup with Berkman, Lee and Pence.

I sure miss Dunn, Griffey, Hamilton, Hatteberg and Gonzalez.

EE and Ross are the only 2 regulars in the lineup tonight.

[VR]

Ross, batting 6th, is certain to go off tonight.

[Matt700wlw]

Those Round Rocks sure have a nice middle of the lineup with Berkman, Lee and Pence.

I sure miss Dunn, Griffey, Hamilton, Hatteberg and Gonzalez.

EE and Ross are the only 2 regulars in the lineup tonight.

Maybe it's Houston Lite vs Louisville

[Matt700wlw]

Berkman a late scratch

[Matt700wlw]

Belisle looking sharp so far...I will now go hide in fear of white, cirular, flying objects.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cubs lose again as the Marlins complete the sweep!! :beerme:

[Matt700wlw]

Hopper....again...

17th bunt single and 22nd infield hit

[Matt700wlw]

Cubs lose again as the Marlins complete the sweep!! :beerme:

It's up to the Reds now....

:cool:

I guess wanting the Brewers in over the Cubs is like selecting wrist slicing over throat slicing...

:D

[Matt700wlw]

:ede:

:jump:

[oneupper]

Anyone else glad to see Pedro Lopez playing tonight?

[Matt700wlw]

Hal says he talked to Wayne today about the managerial possibilities...

Wayne says he won't discuss it until he talks with Pete about the direction they're looking to go...and his status.

[VR]

For the 1st time since April 8th...EE gets the OPS over .800

August/ September combined well over .900

[Chip R]

Anyone else glad to see Pedro Lopez playing tonight?


Oh yeah.

[Matt700wlw]

NEVERMIND

[Chip R]

"The price is wrong....______"


Wrong thread, Matt? ;)

[Ltlabner]

Chat is open for business and welcome to all.

And by "all" I mean, all those I like.

:)

[Matt700wlw]

Wrong thread, Matt? ;)

Ooops.

:doh:

[MrCinatit]

Anyone else glad to see Pedro Lopez playing tonight?

Just got in and noticed that - a very pleasing surprise.

A win today would be very nice, in order to get some momentum built for the upcoming Cubs series. I do not want to see our Reds help that club waltz into the playoffs.

[VR]

I'm really OK with Belisle being a starter next year again..despite the fact that he'll probably blow up and have a 5 run inning real soon.

I think his stuff and command are good enough to win in this league....his 'pitching' and poise just need to come around. We've had too much of the 'know how to pitch' with lousy stuff for the last 7 years.

[Matt700wlw]

I'm really OK with Belisle being a starter next year again..despite the fact that he'll probably blow up and have a 5 run inning real soon.

I think his stuff and command are good enough to win in this league....his 'pitching' and poise just need to come around. We've had too much of the 'know how to pitch' with lousy stuff for the last 7 years.


I'm leary...but if they have a solid 3 and 4 (not a patchwork 3 and 4) and he's truely the #5...then maybe.

I don't trust him to be much better than a 5....he's too inconsistant.

[BoydsOfSummer]

He's way more effective from the pen.

[TeamBoone]

Thom just asked Jeff if the Dukes of Hazard (one Z or two?) was more popular in the south because it took place in the south when it actually took place closer to Cincinnati than Alabama where Jeff grew up.

I guess neither of them know that it took place in Hazard County, Kentucky.

[Matt700wlw]

He's way more effective from the pen.

This I would not be opposed to trying at all...

[redsmetz]

I'm leary...but if they have a solid 3 and 4 (not a patchwork 3 and 4) and he's truely the #5...then maybe.

I don't trust him to be much better than a 5....he's too inconsistant.

Doesn't this assume that a pitcher can't progress over his previous work?

[Matt700wlw]

Doesn't this assume that a pitcher can't progress over his previous work?

That wouldn't be fair of me, I'm just not convinced he will....he's been here long enough to see his trends...

He hasn't shown me he's anything getting all ga ga over, but I think he can serve a role on this team somewhere.

He's worth a look, but don't go into spring training counting on him being a key to the rotation...try to improve the pitching regardless.

He's there if you need him.

[OnBaseMachine]

Matt Belisle has retired the first 15 hitters...

[Matt700wlw]

Sssshhh...

;)

[Cyclone792]

That wouldn't be fair of me, I'm just not convinced he will....

He hasn't shown me he's anything getting all ga ga over, but I think he can serve a role on this team somewhere.

He's worth a look, but don't go into spring training counting on him being a key to the rotation...try to improve the pitching regardless.

He's there if you need him.

Belisle's got a 4.32 DIPS ERA this season; his actual ERA is inflated mostly due to some bad luck (i.e. .337 BABIP). He's given up a few more homers than I'd like to see, but his strikeout and walk rates really aren't bad at all. If Belisle can maintain similar peripherals next season and straighten out the luck, everybody would be happy with the type of performance he'd post.

[Matt700wlw]

Belisle's got a 4.32 DIPS ERA this season; his actual ERA is inflated mostly due to some bad luck (i.e. .337 BABIP). He's given up a few more homers than I'd like to see, but his strikeout and walk rates really aren't bad at all. If Belisle can maintain similar peripherals next season and straighten out the luck, everybody would be happy with the type of performance he'd post.

Maybe he'll get his shot...

Who knows...

I'm always about guys proving me wrong when the wrong is better.



I'm noticing tonight, when the breaking pitches are working...he's rolling. His fastball is good, and his breaking pitches keep the hitters off balance.

I've noticed, if you get in his head...he crumbles...


Sounds like Lohse.

[OnBaseMachine]

Two flyouts to Ellison.

17 in a row...

[OnBaseMachine]

Groundout to Cantu.

18 up, 18 down.

[Matt700wlw]

Well...so far, it doesn't get much better ;)

[pedro]

Thom just asked Jeff if the Dukes of Hazard (one Z or two?) was more popular in the south because it took place in the south when it actually took place closer to Cincinnati than Alabama where Jeff grew up.

I guess neither of them know that it took place in Hazard County, Kentucky.

But it was supposed to be in Georgia.

[Cyclone792]

Maybe he'll get his shot...

Who knows...

I'm always about guys proving me wrong when the wrong is better.



I'm noticing tonight, when the breaking pitches are working...he's rolling. His fastball is good, and his breaking pitches keep the hitters off balance.

I've noticed, if you get in his head...he crumbles...


Sounds like Lohse.

If Belisle can keep himself healthy, then he'll be fine and I'll look forward to seeing him in 2008. He won't turn into an ace, but he's got the look of being able to turn himself into a decent pitcher for a bit if he can stay healthy (the Reds still need to somehow acquire a 4ish ERA pitcher to slot between Arroyo and Belisle, however). I don't think it's unrealistic at all to pin a 4.50 ERA on Belisle for next season.

You also have to remember that this is the first time he's ever started throughout the duration of a big league season, and it's the first time since 2004 that he's had a workload this large in either the majors or minors. There's going to be some adjustment period, and part of what we've seen this season is likely that, an adjustment period.

[Matt700wlw]

If Belisle can keep himself healthy, then he'll be fine and I'll look forward to seeing him in 2008. He won't turn into an ace, but he's got the look of being able to turn himself into a decent pitcher for a bit if he can stay healthy (the Reds still need to somehow acquire a 4ish ERA pitcher to slot between Arroyo and Belisle, however).

You also have to remember that this is the first time he's ever started throughout the duration of a big league season, and it's the first time since 2004 that he's had a workload this large in either the majors or minors. There's going to be some adjustment period, and part of what we've seen this season is likely that, an adjustment period.

Harang
Arroyo
(someone)
Bailey
Belise....

Or something.....maybe have Bailey and Belisle battle it out for the 4 spot?



The hope is that Bailey eventually climbs up the ladder to the top...

Maybe Cueto gets a shot...and shows he ready...don't forget Matt Maloney who has promise.

[pedro]

I remember back in 2004 people feeling that Aaron Harang didn't have it either. Belisle has a lot of talent, he just needs to put it together. I think he could be a pretty solid starter if he ever does.

[pedro]

Bailey has a long way to go before he's a lock as a #3, even in this rotation.

[Matt700wlw]

There it is.

Nice job, Matt....18 in a row!!

:clap:

[OnBaseMachine]

Damn. There it goes. I was hoping he would at least lose it to a good player like Lee.

[Matt700wlw]

The starting staff doesn't look as bad on paper :laugh:

The bullpen is the key.

[Matt700wlw]

Don't prove my point here, Matt.....guys on base....don't let them get in your head.

[Cyclone792]

I remember back in 2004 people feeling that Aaron Harang didn't have it either. Belisle has a lot of talent, he just needs to put it together. I think he could be a pretty solid starter if he ever does.

It's amazing when you look at it, but Harang's 2004 and Belisle's 2007 are eerily similar. While I'm not expecting Belisle to turn into another Harang, he's a guy I'm glad we've got in the organization and in the rotation right now.

[Matt700wlw]

Double play...that was big

[penantboundreds]

weird play?

[Matt700wlw]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Gary Majewski

[Cyclone792]

Sending Gary Majewski into a game is like waving a white flag. And watching Gary Majewski in a game is a complete waste of time.

[Ltlabner]

Marty: I guess until the last day of the season they are going to remind us what an aweful bullpen this is.

[Matt700wlw]

Marty ripping Majewski....

Nobody here will get on him about it either, I bet...

;)

[Patrick Bateman]

Marty ripping Majewski....

Nobody here will get on him about it either, I bet...

;)

I don't think announcers should be ripping anyone in a manner like that. It's okay to analyze players, but I think 'ripping' is unacceptable when talking about performance. That's just not an announcers role IMO.

At least he's accurate this time.

[WVRedsFan]

I'll get ripped for this, but you ever wonder what this team would be like with Kearns in the outfield on days like this and Majewski and Bray somewhere else? I just think Kearns is a better option than Coats and Ellison and what we got for him (I'm discounting Lopez) has been a big fat nothing. Yes, Bray has potential but he looks to be someone who'll have potential for his whole career without doing much. And Hamilton and Gonzales would still be here.

[Matt700wlw]

I guess it's not ripping when everyone agrees...

:p:

[Matt700wlw]

If Ellison homers I may urinate myself

[penantboundreds]

bunt or no?

[WVRedsFan]

I'll also get ripped for this, but Marty's a fan just like you and me. No, it's not professional, but neither was Jack Fleming, one of the finest announcers when he was calling a West Virginia University or Pittsburgh Steeler game. Neither was Harry Caray when calling a Cubs game and I could go on.

He see a bullpen that stinks and continues to call it. And why on earth Mackanin would put him in a close game is far beyond me. There were other choices this late in the season.

[penantboundreds]

nice bunt!

[Matt700wlw]

At least I don't need new pants...

[pedro]

I'll get ripped for this, but you ever wonder what this team would be like with Kearns in the outfield on days like this and Majewski and Bray somewhere else? I just think Kearns is a better option than Coats and Ellison and what we got for him (I'm discounting Lopez) has been a big fat nothing. Yes, Bray has potential but he looks to be someone who'll have potential for his whole career without doing much. And Hamilton and Gonzales would still be here.

Why pay 3.5 million dollars for an extra outfielder? Coats and Ellison are only here b/c Griffey, Dunn and Freel are hurt.

Plus Kearns has sucked this year.

[penantboundreds]

javy trying to add excitement.

[penantboundreds]

that guy on first is a stick....i dont know who came in to pinch run but he is tiny!

[Cyclone792]

I was just about to say that the Reds needed to pinch run for Ross, and well ...

[Matt700wlw]

that guy on first is a stick....i dont know who came in to pinch run but he is tiny!

Gil

[Matt700wlw]

If Hopper homers, I'll need new pants afterall

[Ltlabner]

Yikes...that sounded ugly.

[VR]

I was just about to say that the Reds needed to pinch run for Ross, and well ...

what happened....gameday locked up

[KittyDuran]

The Reds lost... 4-3:(

[KittyDuran]

what happened....gameday locked upfrom Trent's blog...


Bottom 9: Lidge pitching for the Rastros. Cantu walks. That's a better way to first than the last time Cantu faced Lidge and got hit by a 95 mph fastball. Ross walks. Ellison up, Javy on deck to hit for Lopez. That's one hell of a bunt by Ellison. He nearly beat it out to third. Cantu is saying something to his former Tampa teammate Ty Wigginton about the play he made to get Ellison. Javy up and Buck Coats on deck. Javy hits a nubber to third, makes it 4-3. E5 allows Ross to go to third. Jerry Gil makes his season-debut, running for Javy. Buck Coats hits one to first and Lamb runs down Ross, stuck between third and home. Hopper up with two outs and runners on 1st and 2nd. Pinch runner Jerry Gil runs right into Wigginton's tag at third. and this one belongs to the Rastros

[Matt700wlw]

Bring the Cubs....let's ruin their weekend :D :KoolAid:

[flyer85]

that Majewski is consistent, gives up hits and runs whenever he pitches.

[PuffyPig]

I'll get ripped for this, but you ever wonder what this team would be like with Kearns in the outfield on days like this and Majewski and Bray somewhere else? I just think Kearns is a better option than Coats and Ellison and what we got for him (I'm discounting Lopez) has been a big fat nothing. Yes, Bray has potential but he looks to be someone who'll have potential for his whole career without doing much. And Hamilton and Gonzales would still be here.

If we had Kearns and Lopez, there's no way that Hamilton and Gonzalez would be here.

[Matt700wlw]

I vote for as long as the Cubs aren't the NL Central champs....Majewski does not see the field

[KittyDuran]

Bring the Cubs....let's ruin their weekend :D :KoolAid:I hope so... I want to get over .500... :thumbup:

[Falls City Beer]

If we had Kearns and Lopez, there's no way that Hamilton and Gonzalez would be here.

Gonzalez, maybe not. But why not Hamilton?

[KronoRed]

Bring the Cubs....let's ruin their weekend :D :KoolAid:

With the way the Brewers are tanking I don't think the cubs have to even win a game.

[WVRedsFan]

If we had Kearns and Lopez, there's no way that Hamilton and Gonzalez would be here.

Maybe, maybe not. Hamilton was one of those cheap chances which we would have taken. That's not the point. I believe we would have traded Lopez by now and that we'd need a SS, so...

But, back to my point. We wouldn't have Majewski, who is one of the most hittable pitchers I've ever seen, even when he was at Washington. What they ever saw in him amazes me. I can see what they saw in Bray, but not Majewski.

But it matters not. Pete used him when he should not have. And befoe anyone says there's not much better down there, I can think of a few when you just know Majewski is going to give up hits and runs in a tie game. In his last 10 appearances he has pitched 6.2 innings allowing 13 hits and 7 runs for an ERA of around 8. Even if he was looking at what he'd done against Houston, he had allowed 4 hits in 2.1 innings and his September shows 4.2 innings where he allowed 8 hits. The guy does not miss many bats and he didn't miss many tonight, either.

[WVRedsFan]

Gonzalez, maybe not. But why not Hamilton?

That's what I think, but then again, I'm not a big Gonzo fan anyway. That's my flaw.