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cumberlandreds
09-30-2007, 11:08 AM
Well, here it is. The last lineup of the season. Another year gone and still waiting on a contender. With this lineup we will be waiting for a long time to come. See you all next year on the game threads!


Redlegs v. Last day off the season

Keppinger ss
Hanigan c
Votto lf
Encarnacion 3b
Cantu 1b
Coats cf
Ellison rf
Lopez 2b
Bailey p

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 11:11 AM
Hanigan batting second.



I guess Pete knows he's not coming back as well....;)

westofyou
09-30-2007, 11:20 AM
A whole off season without lineup complaints, what can I do now?

Fall on the sword gracefully Reds and see ya next spring.

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 11:25 AM
Fall on the sword gracefully Reds and see ya next spring.

5 months!


It'll be here before we know it.

oneupper
09-30-2007, 11:36 AM
Hanigan has a career .381 OBP in the minors.

At least Mac looks up the stats.

mbgrayson
09-30-2007, 11:40 AM
At least this lineup will cut down on Kepp hitting into DPs.

westofyou
09-30-2007, 11:51 AM
At least this lineup will cut down on Kepp hitting into DPs.

I know, he's ruining his Strat Card.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 12:30 PM
What a sad, sad day. The last Reds game until March 31st. Man, where did the season go?

This is the worst day of the year.

cumberlandreds
09-30-2007, 12:33 PM
What a sad, sad day. The last Reds game until March 31st. Man, where did the season go?

This is the worst day of the year.

I agree with you. I always feel a certain sort of sadness on the last day of the regular season. It's like saying good bye, for a few months, to a good friend.

MrCinatit
09-30-2007, 12:40 PM
This is a rather depressing - almost empty - day. Almost as bad are those off days between playoff games and the playoffs and the world series - those days when you finally realize the season is truly winding down, and baseball won't be found at night for a while.

But, hey - wait until next year.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 12:50 PM
This offseason is going to be long for me because I'm pretty pumped about next year already. Jay Bruce will hopefully arrive, as will Johnny Cueto. We'll see (hopefully) full seasons from Josh Hamilton, Joey Votto, and Homer Bailey. Dunn should be fully healthy. The bullpen could be improved if they go with some of the younger guys. The rotation could be improved if Homer continues to make progress. I'm pretty excited about next season. Hopefully Wayne and company give us reason to be excited this offseason.

MrCinatit
09-30-2007, 01:09 PM
This offseason is going to be long for me because I'm pretty pumped about next year already. Jay Bruce will hopefully arrive, as will Johnny Cueto. We'll see (hopefully) full seasons from Josh Hamilton, Joey Votto, and Homer Bailey. Dunn should be fully healthy. The bullpen could be improved if they go with some of the younger guys. The rotation could be improved if Homer continues to make progress. I'm pretty excited about next season. Hopefully Wayne and company give us reason to be excited this offseason.

I would really like to see the likes of Coutlangus, Bray, Salmon, McBeth and Burton get some serious looks, rather than bring in more veteran help like Stanton, Stone or Cormier.
I know those five had some rough spots - but all five seemed to have showings of brilliance as well. I would like to think that, with some experience under their belts, that combination could become a good bullpen.


EDIT: Wait...Jay is in the clubhouse/dugout of the big club for the last couple of days? I missed that.

Cool.

BCubb2003
09-30-2007, 01:12 PM
How can he put out a lineup like this? We're contending...

Actually, I suppose the best last-day lineup in recent memory was probably in '99, for obvious reasons.

Tom Servo
09-30-2007, 01:15 PM
What a sad, sad day. The last Reds game until March 31st. Man, where did the season go?

This is the worst day of the year.
All too true. :(

Tom Servo
09-30-2007, 01:16 PM
Stupid Soriano.

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 01:16 PM
:lol:


They don't learn.

MrCinatit
09-30-2007, 01:17 PM
I would love it if this was the last time I had to listen to George Grande as a Reds announcer.
He cheered the Soriano homer like it was a Reds' game winner.

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 01:18 PM
Now, he's clearly rattled.

BCubb2003
09-30-2007, 01:18 PM
One rally killed.

Tom Servo
09-30-2007, 01:20 PM
In other news the Marlins have a quick 4-0 lead in the first on the Mets!

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 01:22 PM
In other news the Marlins have a quick 4-0 lead in the first on the Mets!

The greatest collapse ever.

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 01:23 PM
Nice comeback...

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 01:26 PM
What a start for the Mets. Glavine has already given up 4 hits and 2 walks in the 1st.

Tom Servo
09-30-2007, 01:27 PM
The play where three runs scored was a total meltdown by the Mets, a run scoring double turned into 3 runs.


Wow, now Glavine plunks Willis with the bases loaded!

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 01:28 PM
Now 5-0 Marlins.

WVRedsFan
09-30-2007, 01:29 PM
This offseason is going to be long for me because I'm pretty pumped about next year already. Jay Bruce will hopefully arrive, as will Johnny Cueto. We'll see (hopefully) full seasons from Josh Hamilton, Joey Votto, and Homer Bailey. Dunn should be fully healthy. The bullpen could be improved if they go with some of the younger guys. The rotation could be improved if Homer continues to make progress. I'm pretty excited about next season. Hopefully Wayne and company give us reason to be excited this offseason.

I'm glad for you. I'll only be pumped if we don't see a bunch of silly deals that strip us of our offense (see last 7 games) and do nothing but change names in the horrendous bullpen.

If they pick up Dunn's option and do the right thing and get rid themselves of the dead weight in both the outfield and in the bullpen, and hire the right manager, then I'll get pumped.

Sorry, but I'm a disgusting, negative, and realistic old fart. And I'll be optimistic as they come on March 30th, just like you.

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 01:29 PM
Glavine only gets one out in the 1st and is out of the game.

Tom Servo
09-30-2007, 01:36 PM
7-0 Marlins

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 01:36 PM
I bet the Cubs fans still hanging around don't even realize that "their team" has clinched a the central.

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 01:37 PM
Bailey does it again.....

Another fastball to Soriano, and 2 runs score.


Why do they continue to do it?

CTA513
09-30-2007, 01:37 PM
Impressive start

BCubb2003
09-30-2007, 01:40 PM
At least we're not the Mets.

WVRedsFan
09-30-2007, 01:45 PM
Bailey does it again.....

Another fastball to Soriano, and 2 runs score.


Why do they continue to do it?

In Homer's case, it's youth. For the others, it's just ignorance.

Learning is the difference between a successful MLB pitcher and a scrub.

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 01:48 PM
7-1 Marlins

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 01:49 PM
At least we're not the Mets.

At least they're playing for something....


You'd never know it, but they're supposed to be...

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 01:51 PM
That was a nasty change-up

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 01:54 PM
Phillies lead 1-0

pedro
09-30-2007, 01:54 PM
Can we stop making excuses for Bailey now? I just don't think he's ready. Although I will say that I've been much more impressed with his curve this time up than last. It looks like it can become a quality "out pitch".

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 01:55 PM
Can we stop making excuses for Bailey now? I just don't think he's ready. Although I will say that I've been much more impressed with his curve this time up than last. It looks like it can become a quality "out pitch".

He's still a work in progress...but looking at his pitches, he's getting better.

KronoRed
09-30-2007, 01:55 PM
I don't even care if they win, just score a RUN

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 01:56 PM
At least they won't be no-hit today...

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 02:05 PM
Hey! 3 runs!!

MrCinatit
09-30-2007, 02:06 PM
By the way...Joey Votto can still hit.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 02:09 PM
Votto with a 2-run double! That's his 7th double and 10 XBH with the Reds in only 82 atbats. Votto has looked very good with the Reds. Good power, good plate discipline, and solid defense from what I have seen.

BCubb2003
09-30-2007, 02:12 PM
This is how you do it, Mets!

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 02:13 PM
I guess the Reds have enough pride to try and not go out of the season on an 8 game losing streak...

CTA513
09-30-2007, 02:22 PM
Soriano owns Bailey.

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 02:30 PM
It amazes me how this team plays so much better without pressure...

Put pressure on them, and they crumble...


That mentality has to change.

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 02:33 PM
3-0 Phillies. Padres are also up 3-0.

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 02:35 PM
Votto!

:jump:




Wow

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 02:36 PM
Votto homers!!! 8-4 Reds

mth123
09-30-2007, 02:36 PM
Joey!!!!!!

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 02:36 PM
We were sold a bill of goods on Votto....

He should have been up here much, much earlier

BCubb2003
09-30-2007, 02:37 PM
They're just teasing us so we'll come back next year.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 02:40 PM
Joey Votto is pretty damn good isn't he?

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 02:41 PM
Joey Votto is pretty damn good isn't he?

But he can't play defense, and will struggle against big league pitching...

He also can't hit lefties...

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 02:46 PM
3-1 Phillies as Kearns drives in a run.

CTA513
09-30-2007, 02:51 PM
Cantu was on 3rd with 0 outs and never left 3rd.

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 02:58 PM
THAT was a pitch...

May be the best pitch I've seen him throw


Tied the batter in knots

mth123
09-30-2007, 03:07 PM
Bailey ends the season with 45.333 Innings in the Majors and 75.333 innings in the minors. That is about 50 Innings shy of where he needed to get to this year, but these 3 September starts got him up over 120 Innings total, add in another 10 or so equivalent innings from simulated games and throwing on the side in Sarasota and he could conceivably go to 160 innings in 2008 without pushing it too far. That seems to be enough to hold down a number 5 spot should he step forward in the spring.

The innings he got in these 3 starts were very important for 2008 IMO.

pedro
09-30-2007, 03:14 PM
It amazes me how this team plays so much better without pressure...

Put pressure on them, and they crumble...


That mentality has to change.

I think that's a pretty big assumption. You don;t really know if "pressure" has anything to do with it.

Kc61
09-30-2007, 03:18 PM
Bailey ends the season with 45.333 Innings in the Majors and 75.333 innings in the minors.

That seems to be enough to hold down a number 5 spot should he step forward in the spring.

The innings he got in these 3 starts were very important for 2008 IMO.

Bailey needs to be in the rotation next year. For all his problems, it makes more sense for him to be at Cincy than elsewhere. He's had quite a bit of major league ball this year, the best way for him to progress is to keep seeing NL hitting.

I wouldn't call him a number 5 starter though. How many of those can you have? If it implies that he'll get skipped on off days, I wouldn't do that. Homer for number 4.

mth123
09-30-2007, 03:26 PM
Bailey needs to be in the rotation next year. For all his problems, it makes more sense for him to be at Cincy than elsewhere. He's had quite a bit of major league ball this year, the best way for him to progress is to keep seeing NL hitting.

I wouldn't call him a number 5 starter though. How many of those can you have? If it implies that he'll get skipped on off days, I wouldn't do that. Homer for number 4.

I buy into the 30 inning per year increase theory for pitchers under 25. I think Homer should have his 2008 inning load capped somewhere between 150 and 160. If he is in the majors, I hope he is handled with that in mind and being a number five who skips a start occasionally is the best way IMO. Belisle took a big inning jump in 2007 and has his floor under him now, let him be number 4 unless he totally tanks (possible). Of course a solid vet needs to be brought in somehow as a number 2 or 3.

KronoRed
09-30-2007, 03:32 PM
It amazes me how this team plays so much better without pressure...

Put pressure on them, and they crumble...


That mentality has to change.

They didn't have any presure on them for most of the month and went 10-17

They just stink, nothing more then that :D

pedro
09-30-2007, 03:33 PM
Bailey needs to be in the rotation next year. For all his problems, it makes more sense for him to be at Cincy than elsewhere. He's had quite a bit of major league ball this year, the best way for him to progress is to keep seeing NL hitting.

I wouldn't call him a number 5 starter though. How many of those can you have? If it implies that he'll get skipped on off days, I wouldn't do that. Homer for number 4.

I don't think he's ready myself. I'd rather he actually have at least a half year of domination at AAA. He's yet to do that.

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 03:33 PM
They didn't have any presure on them for most of the month and went 10-17

They just stink, nothing more then that :D

Maybe that's it...

I was hoping there was a better reason.

pedro
09-30-2007, 03:34 PM
Maybe that's it...

I was hoping there was a better reason.

Well, they've also been missing their entire starting OF for a while now.

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 03:36 PM
That doesn't help either...

westofyou
09-30-2007, 03:39 PM
Well, they've also been missing their entire starting OF for a while now.

Nah.. they should win every time even if guys are hurt.

pedro
09-30-2007, 03:45 PM
Nah.. they should win every time even if guys are hurt.

Otherwise they ain't being intense enough.

You know who'd get these guys in shape. Patton.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/adc/10046010A~George-C-Scott-Patton-Posters.jpg

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 03:48 PM
Phillies now up 5-1.

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 03:54 PM
And that....as they say....is that.

Red in Chicago
09-30-2007, 03:59 PM
At least as a Reds' fan, I knew we weren't going anyway. If I were a Mets fan, I'd be 10 x more upset after today.

Red in Chicago
09-30-2007, 04:04 PM
Well, unless the Astros somehow manage to lose this afternoon, it's 5th place in a very sad division. Open up the wallet Bob.

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 04:05 PM
Bob said emphatically to Marty and the boys before the broadcast that things WILL be better in 2008.


I think he means it....it should be an interesting offseason

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 04:09 PM
He also said that the manager decision will be one of the most important decisions this franchise has made in a long, long time...

Falls City Beer
09-30-2007, 04:15 PM
Bob said emphatically to Marty and the boys before the broadcast that things WILL be better in 2008.

Show me.

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 04:17 PM
Show me.

My thoughts exactly.

He said it....now he has to back it up

Chip R
09-30-2007, 05:00 PM
"The Green Fields of the Mind "
by A. Bartlett Giamatti

It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops. Today, October 2, a Sunday of rain and broken branches and leaf-clogged drains and slick streets, it stopped, and summer was gone.

WVRedsFan
09-30-2007, 05:31 PM
Bob said emphatically to Marty and the boys before the broadcast that things WILL be better in 2008.


I think he means it....it should be an interesting offseason

I hate to say this, but we've heard it before. First we were going to contend right away and they when it went haywire it was a couple of players that were holding us back. I'll believe it when I see it.

Also as far as the managerial situation goes, he'll have to prove that to me too. Castellini allowed Krivsky to extend Narron so I have to wonder about his judgment, but I'll hide and watch.

BTW, Chip's post of Giamatti's words is very appropriate every season.

KronoRed
09-30-2007, 05:55 PM
Bob said emphatically to Marty and the boys before the broadcast that things WILL be better in 2008.


I think he means it....it should be an interesting offseason

Call me a pessimist but what exactly is going to be done about it? over pay for bad pitchers? we've been down that road before.

pedro
09-30-2007, 06:36 PM
Call me a pessimist but what exactly is going to be done about it? over pay for bad pitchers? we've been down that road before.

Krono, a pessimist? I'm shocked ;)

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 07:02 PM
"The Green Fields of the Mind "
by A. Bartlett Giamatti

It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops. Today, October 2, a Sunday of rain and broken branches and leaf-clogged drains and slick streets, it stopped, and summer was gone.

Ain't that the truth.

redsmetz
09-30-2007, 07:32 PM
Just a couple of thoughts after my daughter and I just decided to go on down. We got there in the 2nd inning and the sea of blue was ever present. I know Joey Votto was the star of the game on the scoreboard thingy, but a close second has to be the scoreboard operator who when the Cubs crowd was starting their "Let's go Cubbies" and some of us were valiantly (and yet futilely) to drown them out and the sound system played something from a movie or a cartoon that was like "Hey! Hey! Hey! Just stop that! or Cut that out!). Everybody cracked up.

Homer was throwing some impressive off-speed pitches at times. I liked that.

We had a nice Cubs fan by us and my daughter and I chatted with him about their system and ours and what the clubs needed in the future. He was from Iowa, so he watched Coats there. He said he's a good all around ballplayer, but when I asked about him as a bench player, he was like "no" - he more or less is a nice guy to have at AAA at the ready when you need somebody to fill in. Interesting.

Beautiful day for a ball game - it's a shame we have to wait six months again. I'm exciting about getting to next season - but that's me, ever the cockeyed optimist.

I loved the Giamatti quote posted.

pedro
09-30-2007, 07:37 PM
Just a couple of thoughts after my daughter and I just decided to go on down. We got there in the 2nd inning and the sea of blue was ever present. I know Joey Votto was the star of the game on the scoreboard thingy, but a close second has to be the scoreboard operator who when the Cubs crowd was starting their "Let's go Cubbies" and some of us were valiantly (and yet futilely) to drown them out and the sound system played something from a movie or a cartoon that was like "Hey! Hey! Hey! Just stop that! or Cut that out!). Everybody cracked up.

Homer was throwing some impressive off-speed pitches at times. I liked that.

We had a nice Cubs fan by us and my daughter and I chatted with him about their system and ours and what the clubs needed in the future. He was from Iowa, so he watched Coats there. He said he's a good all around ballplayer, but when I asked about him as a bench player, he was like "no" - he more or less is a nice guy to have at AAA at the ready when you need somebody to fill in. Interesting.


Beautiful day for a ball game - it's a shame we have to wait six months again. I'm exciting about getting to next season - but that's me, ever the cockeyed optimist.

I loved the Giamatti quote posted.

Yeah, I think Buck Coats was picked up because he was available for nothing and the Reds needed someone they could use in the short term without burning a 40 man roster spot before the rule 5 draft and they wanted a guy who was fundamentally sound rather than a guy who was erratic but might have a higher ceiling. The same goes for Jason Ellison.

The way I see it that's a good thing. Buck Coats had no chance of playing himself onto the Reds next year so they Reds won't even consider keeping him even if he had done much better than he did.

KronoRed
09-30-2007, 07:47 PM
Krono, a pessimist? I'm shocked ;)

I did call for 82 wins this year :cool:

redsmetz
09-30-2007, 07:53 PM
Yeah, I think Buck Coats was picked up because he was available for nothing and the Reds needed someone they could use in the short term without burning a 40 man roster spot before the rule 5 draft and they wanted a guy who was fundamentally sound rather than a guy who was erratic but might have a higher ceiling. The same goes for Jason Ellison.

The way I see it that's a good thing. Buck Coats had no chance of playing himself onto the Reds next year so they Reds won't even consider keeping him even if he had done much better than he did.

The fact is, Coats will be looking for a job, so he may come back on a minor league deal. No harm there. The rosters will have those types of fillers.

Heath
09-30-2007, 08:53 PM
Seems appropriate on the last day of the year and with C. Trent's job done.

Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
and never brought to mind ?
Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
and auld lang syne ?

CHORUS:
For auld lang syne, my dear,
for auld lang syne,
we’ll tak a cup o’ kindness yet,
for auld lang syne

Good night, Mrs. Calabash, where ever you are.

paintmered
09-30-2007, 08:57 PM
Keppinger ss
Hanigan c
Votto lf
Encarnacion 3b
Cantu 1b
Coats cf
Ellison rf
Lopez 2b
Bailey p

Wow, this lineup has massive future trivia question potential.

Another losing year mercifully ends. It's been real, it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun.

Let the long off-season begin again. :(

pedro
10-01-2007, 12:37 AM
I did call for 82 wins this year :cool:

really? that's exceptional. sorry it didn't work out. (i picked 84 IIRC)

WVRedsFan
10-01-2007, 01:50 AM
really? that's exceptional. sorry it didn't work out. (i picked 84 IIRC)

Then, you're the optimist my friend.

Let's do it again next year. Maybe we'll agree again. Maybe.

pedro
10-01-2007, 03:33 AM
Then, you're the optimist my friend.

Let's do it again next year. Maybe we'll agree again. Maybe.

That was my everything goes well and everyone's healthy best case scenario. I still maintain that it's not that outlandish. This team could have done that. They sure didn't though.

Regardless, I'm even more confident now about the future than I was at the beginning of the year. A lot of good things happened to the Reds this year. A team with Votto, Phillips, Encarnacion, Dunn, Hamilton and Jay Bruce in the starting lineup looks pretty good to me, at least on offense anyway. Especially when yo have two guys on the bench (Hopper & Keppinger) who just hit .330.

They need pitching though. Bad. Two good starters wouldn't be a bad place to start but I'm guessing it isn't as easy as that.