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cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 10:25 AM
This is a split squad day/night doubleheader. No radio at all for the day game. The night game will be on MLB.com with the Pirate announcers. Jay Bruce is the lineup for the nightcap.





Lineups for split-squad vs. Pittsburgh
1:05 game (No radio):
Ryan Freel CF
Scott Hatteberg 1B
Ken Griffey Jr. RF
Brandon Phillips 2B
Adam Dunn LF
Edwin Encarnacion 3B
Juan Castro SS
Paul Bako C
Ryan Hanigan DH

P Johnny Cueto. Also pitching: Richie Gardner, Jon Adkins, Scott Sauerbeck, Brad Salmon. Also available:Tyler Pelland, Adam Pettyjohn, Justin Lehr, Ramon Ramirez and Tom Shearn.

7:05 p.m. game (No radio)
Norris Hopper CF
Jeff Keppinger SS
Jay Bruce RF
Drew Anderson LF
Joey Votto 1B
Jolbert Cabrera 3B
Andy Phillips 2B
Javy Valentin C
Alvin Colina C

P Bronson Arroyo. Also pitching: Todd Coffey, Gary Majewski, Jared Burton, Jon Coutlangus, Jim Brower. Also available: Josh Roenicke, Daryl Thompson, Mike Lincoln and Sergio Valenzuela.

membengal
03-07-2008, 10:58 AM
Sigh. No radio for Cueto's start. Rats.

BRM
03-07-2008, 11:44 AM
I wonder why Castro isn't hitting 2nd? He's playing SS after all. ;)

membengal
03-07-2008, 11:50 AM
In which Dusty has an epiphany re: Castro:


Say. There appear to be no more cows in Texas.

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 12:21 PM
Per Fay's blog we will get see firsthand how Homer Bailey is progressing.


Monday: Yankees at Tampa, 7:15 p.m., Homer Bailey vs. TBA, FSN Ohio

M2
03-07-2008, 12:24 PM
We've got a Majewski sighting. Let's see if a week's done anything for him.

Got some interesting names in the extra pitchers. Shearn's got to be on the verge of demotion. Valenzuela's in danger of being an unused Rule 5 draftee. Roenicke and Lehr are off to fairly hot starts and could generate even more buzz with good outings today. Despite the struggles of many of the LH relievers in camp, Pelland's barely seen the mound. I suspect he's got a small window of opportunity to turn heads.

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 12:57 PM
Per Trent here's the Pirates lineup.


Pirates
13 Nate McLouth cf
2 Jack Wilson ss
12 Freddy Sanchez dh
38 Jason Bay lf
25 Adam LaRoche 1b
26 Ronny Paulino c
51 Steve Pearce rf
77 Neil Walker 3b
31 Luis Rivas 2b

40 Van Benschoten, RH

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 12:58 PM
Dunn pulled another fast one on Bruce. These rookies will never learn.


http://ctrentrosecrans.com/2008/03/07/redlegs-v-peglegs-37/

KoryMac5
03-07-2008, 01:02 PM
Per Fay's blog we will get see firsthand how Homer Bailey is progressing.


Monday: Yankees at Tampa, 7:15 p.m., Homer Bailey vs. TBA, FSN Ohio

Looks like Fay is already laying some ground work in his campaign.

klw
03-07-2008, 01:12 PM
Radar is ominous but it looks like things are going north of Sarasota for now.
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?location=USFL0438&animate=true

http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?location=USFL0438

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 01:24 PM
Here's Fays update on the first inning. Nice start by Cueto.



Johnny Cueto's making his first start. He comes as billed. He throws strikes.

Nate McLouth: Called strike, foul, taken third strike.

Jack Wilson: Foul ball, ball, swinging strike. 5-3.

Freddie Sanchez: Ball, foul, taken strike, punch single to right.

Jason Bay: Called strike, ball, flyout to left.

14 pitches/11 strikes. I'll try to get a radar reading, but he looks to be throwing in mid-90s.

The Pirates are throwing John Van Benschoten, the right-hander from Milford and Kent State. Not a good start for him. Scott Hatteberg singled, Ken Griffey Jr. walked, and Brandon Phillips hit an opposite field home run.

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 01:26 PM
MLB.com isn't updating. They are stuck with two in the top of the first. Time warp, I'm guessing.

Chip R
03-07-2008, 01:34 PM
I'm impressed. He got Jack Wilson and Jason Bay out. That's something Reds pitchers seem to have a problem with.

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 01:35 PM
MLB.com is back to updating. I assuming the stringer went out to get a days worth of food and beverage. Anyway, a 1-2-3 inning for Cueto with two more K's. Reds lead 3-0 in the 2nd.

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 01:39 PM
Here's Trents take on the 2nd by Cueto. Sounds mighty impressive.


Top 2: Seriously, put Cueto in right now. In the rotation. No. 3. He just chopped Adam LaRoche's bat in half on a grounder to first, don't need to see anything else. His stuff is just filthy. Ronny Paulino swung at strike 3, but not sure he saw what he was swinging at -- or swung at what saw. Same with Steve Pearce

membengal
03-07-2008, 01:44 PM
These updates on Cueto are making me all tingly.

Sure am glad we are spared the hell of having to listen to it live.

Sea Ray
03-07-2008, 01:44 PM
Here's Trents take on the 2nd by Cueto. Sounds mighty impressive.


Top 2: Seriously, put Cueto in right now. In the rotation. No. 3. He just chopped Adam LaRoche's bat in half on a grounder to first, don't need to see anything else. His stuff is just filthy. Ronny Paulino swung at strike 3, but not sure he saw what he was swinging at -- or swung at what saw. Same with Steve Pearce

If he's really that good then forget minor league experience. We need a guy like that in the big league rotation.

M2
03-07-2008, 01:47 PM
And the legend of Johnny Cueto grows. If only there had been some way to see this coming ...

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 01:49 PM
Cueto another perfect inning with a K. I'm guessing that that was probably all for the day for him. A great outing! The Bucs aren't exactly the '27 Yankkes but they did have six of their regulars in the lineup today.

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 01:50 PM
Here's Cueto's line.


Cincinnati IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Cueto 3.0 1 0 0 0 4 0 1.80

lollipopcurve
03-07-2008, 01:56 PM
Cueto making a statement. Still early in March, but he's setting the pace in the rotation race.

M2
03-07-2008, 02:04 PM
Cueto making a statement. Still early in March, but he's setting the pace in the rotation race.

He's the type of pitcher who's built for a hot ST start in that he doesn't make the game harder than it has to be. He's got stuff and he comes after you with it. Rusty hitters stand no chance.

I'll bet if there's one number Dusty Baker and Dick Pole are watching this spring it's the K/BB of the young pitchers. Right now, Cueto's is infinity.

GoReds
03-07-2008, 02:05 PM
Trent have some fun at the expense of an 80's leftover:

http://www.1530homer.com/cc-common/mlib/1120/03/1120_1204916196.jpg

Joseph
03-07-2008, 02:13 PM
Fay says Cueto , according to a scout, hit 97 on the gun at least once and is in the 93-94 range regularly.

Chip R
03-07-2008, 02:19 PM
Fay says Cueto , according to a scout, hit 97 on the gun at least once and is in the 93-94 range regularly.


If Cueto makes the team, I'm bringing my camera to the game so I can take a picture of him hitting 96 on the gun there.

membengal
03-07-2008, 02:19 PM
Aronchis will be disputing that scout's reading of the gun.

Joseph
03-07-2008, 02:26 PM
If Cueto makes the team, I'm bringing my camera to the game so I can take a picture of him hitting 96 on the gun there.

Those new fangled Polaroids rock.

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 02:27 PM
Gardner got lit up,big time. Only recorded one out,gave up five hits,two walks and five runs. Adkins has come in to relieve.

reds44
03-07-2008, 02:33 PM
Fay says Cueto , according to a scout, hit 97 on the gun at least once and is in the 93-94 range regularly.
:beerme::beerme::beerme:

Looking more and more like Cueto will be in the opening day rotation. Great start to spring, hopefully he can keep it up.

Joseph
03-07-2008, 02:35 PM
Slider in the low-mid 80's. Change in the 70s.

Falls City Beer
03-07-2008, 02:37 PM
I would have guessed Cueto better suited for the pen, but as long he doesn't have the same problems that Bailey's had in getting behind every single hitter he faces, I'm all for putting him in the rotation. There are still two spots vacant; the same number there were at the beginning of the offseason.

jesusfan
03-07-2008, 02:39 PM
Harang, Arroyo, Cueto, Bailey, Volquez... Just do it!

Falls City Beer
03-07-2008, 02:39 PM
Harang, Arroyo, Cueto, Bailey, Volquez... Just do it!

Bailey has zero business taking even a guided tour of a MLB rotation this season.

reds44
03-07-2008, 02:46 PM
Bailey has zero business taking even a guided tour of a MLB rotation this season.
Agreed. Not until he proves he has the ability to find the strike zone on a consistent basis.

Harang
Arroyo
Belisle
Cueto
Volquez

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 02:50 PM
7-5 Bucs after four. Gardner actually gave up seven runs. Phillips has four of the five RBI's for the Reds. The Reds are starting to inser the Louisville Bats into the lineup as Drew T. Anderson and Dickerson are now in the game for Freel and Griffey.

dougdirt
03-07-2008, 02:55 PM
Bailey has zero business taking even a guided tour of a MLB rotation this season.

The entire season? Thats a silly comment to make.

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 03:00 PM
Brandon Phillips drove in another run and it's 7-6 Bucs after four. Looks like another typical Reds "pitching duel" with the Pirates.

M2
03-07-2008, 03:00 PM
Will Richie Gardner be in the AAA or AA rotation? That would seem to be the most pressing issue with him?

Joseph
03-07-2008, 03:04 PM
Will Richie Gardner be in the AAA or AA rotation? That would seem to be the most pressing issue with him?

That all really depends upon who is on the major league roster.

If Cueto and Volquez are in Cincinnati, then Gardner probably is in AAA. If they are in Louisville, I'd say he's bumped down a notch to AA.

dougdirt
03-07-2008, 03:04 PM
Will Richie Gardner be in the AAA or AA rotation? That would seem to be the most pressing issue with him?

My guess is AAA. Its the only place he didn't have success last year.

princeton
03-07-2008, 03:07 PM
Will Richie Gardner be in the AAA or AA rotation? That would seem to be the most pressing issue with him?

I would think that the most pressing issue is whether he gets to stay on the 40 man roster, or gets sent through waivers

Falls City Beer
03-07-2008, 03:08 PM
The entire season? Thats a silly comment to make.

It's not silly; he needs to demonstrate a full season of complete command of all of his pitches at AAA before he should be in the Reds' MLB rotation. I wouldn't care if he was traded to another team and pitched out of their rotation, though...

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 03:14 PM
Adkins and Sauerbeck combine for a scoreless inning. 7-6 Bucs in the 5th.

dougdirt
03-07-2008, 03:22 PM
It's not silly; he needs to demonstrate a full season of complete command of all of his pitches at AAA before he should be in the Reds' MLB rotation. I wouldn't care if he was traded to another team and pitched out of their rotation, though...

Why? Is a month of it not good enough? Two months? What about three? Why, if he demonstrates what you want to see, for 5 or 10 starts should he continue to stay down for another 15 or 20 before being in the Reds rotation?

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 03:23 PM
The Reds make the extra point and we are tied at seven going to halftime errr... the 6th inning.

Falls City Beer
03-07-2008, 03:24 PM
Why? Is a month of it not good enough? Two months? What about three? Why, if he demonstrates what you want to see, for 5 or 10 starts should he continue to stay down for another 15 or 20 before being in the Reds rotation?

Repeatability fosters confidence. Like a lab experiment.

Nugget
03-07-2008, 03:25 PM
Good question Doug - why does Bailey need to show 12 months of control at AAA - don't see Cueto having to do so - prejudices about players need not color what they need to achieve.

I think the REDS are going to need to decide on their rotation pretty soon to stretch out the guys who are going to be 3/4/5. Alternatively, drop a few guys to minor league camp to be stretched out but keep them in the mix.

Chip R
03-07-2008, 03:28 PM
I think the REDS are going to need to decide on their rotation pretty soon to stretch out the guys who are going to be 3/4/5. Alternatively, drop a few guys to minor league camp to be stretched out but keep them in the mix.


Good point but things are still very much up in the air.

indy_dave00
03-07-2008, 03:41 PM
I'm not sure Matt Belisle has shown enough to warrent a lock in the rotation. If Bailey , Cueto and Volquez out pitch him he's the odd man out in my book.

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 03:46 PM
The Pirates put four on the board in the 6th. All the runs are charged to Sauerbeck and he was replaced by Salmon. Sauerbeck has got to go. I don't think he's recorded three outs this spring.

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 03:49 PM
Some high praise for Cueto from Valentin. This is from Fay's blog.


"If you have that kind of change-up, welcome to the big leagues," Valentin said.
"He's the next Pedro Martinez."

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 03:51 PM
Reds are scoreless in the 6th. They pretty much subbed Louisville into the lineup now. Rosales,Janish and Green are in the infield along with someone named Rios at 1st.

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 03:58 PM
Salmon pitches a perfect 7th. Four K's all together. Nice job.

Aronchis
03-07-2008, 04:20 PM
No arguement from me. Cueto's fastball was better than usual today. Solid 92-94 touching 95-97 at times. Usually it is a notch below that and we know what happens when it is.

TRF
03-07-2008, 04:25 PM
No arguement from me. Cueto's fastball was better than usual today. Solid 92-94 touching 95-97 at times. Usually it is a notch below that and we know what happens when it is.

We do? Cuz all evidence points to the best Starting Pitching prospect in terms of talent and results the Reds have had in over 20 years.

M2
03-07-2008, 04:29 PM
Usually it is a notch below that and we know what happens when it is.

He dominates opposing lineups? Because that's been his norm for two years.

On a separate note, way to go Brad Salmon.

reds44
03-07-2008, 04:29 PM
Griffey on Cueto:


"That kid's got some (stuff)," Ken Griffey Jr. said. "Some other guys are going to turn it up, especially somebody wearing No. 34. Competition is a good thing."

Homer wears 34, btw.

Chip R
03-07-2008, 04:33 PM
Final score is 13-8 Bucs.

cumberlandreds
03-07-2008, 04:34 PM
Bucs win this one 13-8. Cueto and Salmon had great games. The rest no so good. The nightcap will be on MLB.com with the Pirate announcers.

LincolnparkRed
03-07-2008, 04:48 PM
Hopefully Sauerbeck and his 40 era will be on the way out.

Matt700wlw
03-07-2008, 05:47 PM
Aronchis will be disputing that scout's reading of the gun.

So will FCB....he doesn't want to buy us all a round :cool:

Matt700wlw
03-07-2008, 05:50 PM
The entire season? Thats a silly comment to make.

...at least he's consistant, I guess...

OnBaseMachine
03-07-2008, 06:47 PM
I hope Trent got some video of Cueto pitching today.

cincyinco
03-07-2008, 06:53 PM
When is game 2? 7 ish?"

dougdirt
03-07-2008, 06:54 PM
7:05

However the weather looks not so good for the entire state of Florida right now, so I get the feeling the game isn't going to happen.

Matt700wlw
03-07-2008, 07:17 PM
7:05

However the weather looks not so good for the entire state of Florida right now, so I get the feeling the game isn't going to happen.

I bet it's not 22 and snowy, though :D

Matt700wlw
03-07-2008, 07:23 PM
Rain delay in Florida

*BaseClogger*
03-07-2008, 07:33 PM
Move Spring Training to Arizona!? No! :redface:

Gainesville Red
03-07-2008, 08:07 PM
mlb.com is showing PPD. If the weather in Sarasota is anything like it is in Gainesville, I can undersand why.

M2
03-07-2008, 09:28 PM
No Pelland in the day game. It's looking more and more like he's not making this team.