3/15/08 - Reds vs Red Sox

[Reds Fanatic]

Today's game is on WLW and XM 176


Corey Patterson CF
Ryan Freel LF
Jay Bruce RF
Joey Votto DH
Scott Hatteberg 1B
Jeff Keppinger SS
Jolbert Cabrera 2B
Paul Bako C
Jerry Hairston 3B

Homer Bailey P

[Tom Servo]

If it comes down to it, I am in favor of carrying Cabrera over Castro. Just because.

[OnBaseMachine]

Today is a big day for Homer. My bet (and hope) is he begins the year in Louisville but the the struggles of Belisle and Affeldt, Homer could put himself back in the rotation competition with a strong outing today followed by a couple more in the final two weeks.

[Falls City Beer]

If it comes down to it, I am in favor of carrying Cabrera over Castro. Just because.

Ain't that the truth.

Though I'm not sure either one will have a spot.

[TeamBoone]

Could initial posters of these threads please include the start time? Thanks so much.

[Joseph]

Who else is on the pitching roster today?

[blumj]

One thing I really like about getting the mlb.tv audio is, I can switch back and forth to listen to what the Reds announcers say about Lester and what the Sox announcers say about Bailey.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bill Bray and Todd Coffey are also scheduled to pitch.

[dougdirt]

I love Brantley continuing to say how Bailey's curveball won't be a called strike in the majors, despite the fact that it is actually being called a strike all the time.

[OnBaseMachine]

It looks like the Sox have all their regulars in there except for Ellsbury.

[pedro]

I love Brantley continuing to say how Bailey's curveball won't be a called strike in the majors, despite the fact that it is actually being called a strike all the time.

Yeah that Homer, he's all about those strikes.

[dougdirt]

Yeah that Homer, he's all about those strikes.

His curveball isn't a strike problem, its his other two pitches.

Struck out Ortiz with a high fastball.

[pedro]

His curveball isn't a strike problem, its his other two pitches.

Struck out Ortiz with a high fastball.

Then he's got some even more serious problems than I thought.

Actually, from the games I've watched I'd disagree. He may throw some strikes with that curveball, but when he does it's often up in the zone and he;s lucky he doesn;t get creamed on it.

[dougdirt]

Bailey strikes out Ramirez on a breaking ball (by the sounds of Brantley describing it, it sounds more like his change up that had some drop to it).

[dougdirt]

Then he's got some even more serious problems than I thought.

Actually, from the games I've watched I'd disagree. He may throw some strikes with that curveball, but when he does it's often up in the zone and he;s lucky he doesn;t get creamed on it.

I really suggest charting the games then going back and looking at the final results because I believe your mind is telling you something that isn't accurate.

[OnBaseMachine]

Striking out Big Papi and Manny back to back is impressive.

[dougdirt]

Then back to back 2 out singles isn't so impressive.

[pedro]

I really suggest charting the games then going back and looking at the final results because I believe your mind is telling you something that isn't accurate.

That's OK. I don't need to to chart games to tell me Homer has problems throwing strikes.

Nice job K'ing Ortiz and Manny though.

[pedro]

or that his curve needs work too.

[M2]

Then back to back 2 out singles isn't so impressive.

How many runs so far?

[dougdirt]

2-0 Red Sox.

[dougdirt]

Make that 3-0 on a solo HR.

[dougdirt]

That's OK. I don't need to to chart games to tell me Homer has problems throwing strikes.

Nice job K'ing Ortiz and Manny though.

I think you do if you want to claim his curveball needs to be thrown for more strikes.

His 4 seam, cutter and changeup, sure. His curveball is thrown for strikes all the time.

[dougdirt]

Just struck someone out on 3 straight pitches. Announcers didn't note any pitches until strike 3.

[dougdirt]

Brantley claims that catchers have no control over pitch selection or no bearing on the pitcher's overall game.

[dougdirt]

Bailey went flyball out, HR, strikeout on 3 pitches, groundball out to SS.

9 pitches, 7 strikes through that inning.

28 strikes, 12 balls so far. A long at bat against Youk in the first ran that pitch count fairly high (unless I missed a pitch or two, but that would likely be the most).

[M2]

Homer's a great tease. He's got talent, but he's mercurial even inside of innings. You just don't know what pitcher you're going to get from batter to batter.

[dougdirt]

Reds get a walk and a double from the 8 and 9 hitters to lead off the inning, lets see if the top of the lineup can get something going.

[dougdirt]

Homer's a great tease. He's got talent, but he's mercurial even inside of innings. You just don't know what pitcher you're going to get from batter to batter.

I think his issues stem from about 70% mental preparation 20% mechanics and 10% Reds defense.

Today the wind is blowing out well and the double he allowed in the first inning would have been a pop up to Bruce had the wind not been kicking. The HR was legit though.

Reds put 1 on the board on a wild pitch.

Patterson grounds out, but the Reds put another run up. Sox lead 3-2.

[mth123]

Homer's a great tease. He's got talent, but he's mercurial even inside of innings. You just don't know what pitcher you're going to get from batter to batter.

OMG. He's Kyle Lohse!:scared:

Seriously. A full season of AAA with an actual real starters load of 150+ innings under his belt will do wonders. Next year we'll be glad he wasn't traded.

[dougdirt]

Lets say these were two options....

Bailey starting in AAA or Bailey as the long man in the bullpen. What would you take and why?

[RFS62]

Lets say these were two options....

Bailey starting in AAA or Bailey as the long man in the bullpen. What would you take and why?


I would take Bailey starting in AAA and working out his secondary pitches, just like last year. When he comes up is when he shows he can command them.

I like his spunk. But he has to refine an out pitch. I believe Brantley is right about that.

[OnBaseMachine]

Starter in AAA. Like mth said, Bailey needs some innings to build up his arm strength in order to handle a major league workload.

[dougdirt]

two pop ups move Ortiz station to station and he scores perhaps due to Pattersons noodle arm.

[Chip R]

I would take Bailey starting in AAA and working out his secondary pitches, just like last year. When he comes up is when he shows he can command them.

I like his spunk. But he has to refine an out pitch. I believe Brantley is right about that.


Who are you, Lou Grant? ;)

Someone suggested in the ORG yesterday that it might not be a bad idea to keep him in the bullpen as the long man for now. I said that he has problems with runners on base but it might be a good thing to learn in a trial by fire. I know if I had to choose between Majewski and Homer as a long man, I'd choose Homer. But I think Wayne is going to keep him in the rotation no matter where he's at.

[dougdirt]

Bailey now through 3 innings, 37 strikes, 21 balls.

Several wind aided hits, two well struck hits by Moss (HR) and Ortiz (double).

[mth123]

Lets say these were two options....

Bailey starting in AAA or Bailey as the long man in the bullpen. What would you take and why?

AAA. If he doesn't bridge the gap from the 120 innings he pitched in 2007 to a MLB starter's expectation of 180+, then 2009 will either be another year where he isn't ready physically requiring a step backward to build him up, or the beginning of the road to arm problems IMO. A year as the long man, probably means 100 innings at most and will require a huge jump next year if he's to be in the rotation, which is dangerous at his age. If he was 25 it would be different. But he is 22 this year and 23 next and the risk is much higher in those years.

Working on his command at AAA in the process is an added bonus. Keeping him healthy is the primary concern IMO.

[RFS62]

Who are you, Lou Grant? ;)



That's about right!






Someone suggested in the ORG yesterday that it might not be a bad idea to keep him in the bullpen as the long man for now. I said that he has problems with runners on base but it might be a good thing to learn in a trial by fire. I know if I had to choose between Majewski and Homer as a long man, I'd choose Homer. But I think Wayne is going to keep him in the rotation no matter where he's at.


Yeah, I'd still rather build up his stamina as a starter in AAA

[dougdirt]

Hatteberg doubles and Keppinger singles him in. 4-3 Red Sox lead.

[mth123]

Hatteberg doubles and Keppinger singles him in. 4-3 Red Sox lead.

I'm not listening to the broadcast, but how many times has the term "professional hitter" been used with that combination producing a run?

[LincolnparkRed]

Lets say these were two options....

Bailey starting in AAA or Bailey as the long man in the bullpen. What would you take and why?

For some reason I don't see him getting better just coming in once or twice a week when we are down by five or more. I have a feeling that for Homer to get better he needs repetition and the best way to get the reps in, is to take the ball every 5 days in LOU. The only thing countering that is the improvement of Burton last year and how much of that was Narron never trusted him, or that Pete said screw it and let the kid pitch?

[dougdirt]

Bailey walked Moss and allowed a single to Lugo before exiting for Shearn. Shearn gets crushed by Youk for a double that plates both.

[Chip R]

Jeff & Thom giving serious man love to Shearn.

[dougdirt]

I have a feeling Brantley does not like Homer Bailey for some reason. Thom gave the total line then Jeff says how many runs on Bailey? Thom repeats and Jeff laughs and says I heard ya, just wanted to hear it again.

[dougdirt]

Tom Shearn hasn't recorded an out yet. Just gave up a 3 run bomb to make it 11-3.

[RFS62]

I have a feeling Brantley does not like Homer Bailey for some reason. Thom gave the total line then Jeff says how many runs on Bailey? Thom repeats and Jeff laughs and says I heard ya, just wanted to hear it again.


Cowboy better be careful. Homer will cut him.

[Chip R]

I have a feeling Brantley does not like Homer Bailey for some reason. Thom gave the total line then Jeff says how many runs on Bailey? Thom repeats and Jeff laughs and says I heard ya, just wanted to hear it again.


A friend of mine went to ST last year and he talked to Jeff for a while and he said that Jeff felt he didn't listen to anybody - probably meaning Jeff. So take that FWIW.

[pedro]

Cowboy better be careful. Homer will cut him.

In between Marty's hair and Homer's hunting knife Cowboy's living in a dangerous world.

[Chip R]

Tom Shearn hasn't recorded an out yet. Just gave up a 3 run bomb to make it 11-3.


But he throws strike one. Unfortunately strike two usually ends up in the cheap seats.

[Falls City Beer]

Jeff & Thom giving serious man love to Shearn.

Are you kidding me?

These two clowns couldn't embarrass themselves any more if they had big shoes and squirting roses.

[dougdirt]

I also loved how Brantley 'loves' Shearns big loopy curveball, but Bailey's needs to be tightened up.

[blumj]

I can't stand listening to Brantley. I think it's mostly just his voice that's so annoying, but I just can't take him. BTW, I like this guy pitching for the Sox, Bryan Corey. I don't know why he can't seem to stick in the majors, but if the Sox can't hang onto him, I'd recommend him as a cheap pick-up.

[Falls City Beer]

I don't mind when announcers are critical of a kid, but what I fail to understand is talking up some guy who's done exactly *nothing* in his entire (too long) career. Why?

[pedro]

I also loved how Brantley 'loves' Shearns big loopy curveball, but Bailey's needs to be tightened up.

They're different kinds of pitches. Homer doesn't throw the big slow curve and Shearn doesn't throw hard anything.

[pedro]

Brantley is kind of a pud though.

[dougdirt]

They're different kinds of pitches. Homer doesn't throw the big slow curve and Shearn doesn't throw hard anything.

Sure they are different, but Brantley rational of why Bailey's curveball isn't good is its too big. Shearn's, is a really big loopy curve, but he loves it. Makes no sense.

[Chip R]

Are you kidding me?

These two clowns couldn't embarrass themselves any more if they had big shoes and squirting roses.


I wish I was.

Shearn's a good story. Career minor leaguer toils in the bushes and finally gets his chance in the major leagues and shows he can embarrass some guys with that big curve of his. Sort of a Horatio Alger thing. Everybody loves that whereas Homer's the rich, cocky bonus baby who has shot through the minor leagues. When he runs into a bit of trouble it's natural to feel some schadenfraude towards him - especially to guys like Brantley.

Doug, in Jeff's defense, I think the difference between Shearn's curve and Homer's is that Shearn makes people miss with his and Homer is trying to get his called for strikes.

[dougdirt]

I wish I was.

Shearn's a good story. Career minor leaguer toils in the bushes and finally gets his chance in the major leagues and shows he can embarrass some guys with that big curve of his. Sort of a Horatio Alger thing. Everybody loves that whereas Homer's the rich, cocky bonus baby who has shot through the minor leagues. When he runs into a bit of trouble it's natural to feel some schadenfraude towards him - especially to guys like Brantley.

Doug, in Jeff's defense, I think the difference between Shearn's curve and Homer's is that Shearn makes people miss with his and Homer is trying to get his called for strikes.

Except Bailey does get called strikes and swinging strikes with his. Brantley doesn't seem to grasp that one.

[blumj]

Brantley is kind of a pud though.

Yes, that.

[Spring~Fields]

I think the difference between Shearn's curve and Homer's is that Shearn makes people miss with his and Homer is trying to get his called for strikes.

I wonder if his problem is between his ears primarily and what or who can correct that other than Homer and experience.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bray with a 1-2-3 inning with two groundouts and a flyout.

[Aronchis]

This is the 3rd year in row Bailey has started slow. It is like deadarm. I forgot about that before spring training and sometimes you pay in prediction(though I didn't have Bailey making the rotation, but performing better than this). I figure as he gets older and more mature, he will get going faster, but not yet obviously.

We saw the same thing in 2006 and he was very up and down to June when he took off(matter of fact, there is a big thread from the minors forum from the period crying about Bailey in late May).

Similiarly last year he started slow, but never got going(at least to the end of the season) likely/official reason was due to a groin tear.

He may not tear up AAA right away either. K/9 is the key IMO if he will at some point.

[reds44]

Spin Master.

[OnBaseMachine]

Homer Bailey struggles mightily but it's deadarm. Johnny Cueto dominates and it's luck.

Okay.

[Chip R]

I wonder if his problem is between his ears primarily and what or who can correct that other than Homer and experience.


Just because he's not a successful major league pitcher yet doesn't necessarly mean he's a head case. People like to throw that word around a lot with kids who aren't successful right out the gate. How many 21-22 year old kids are successful big league starters? You could probably name them on the fingers of one hand. He may not be successful for another couple or three years. And he may not be an ace either. His ceiling may be as a #3 starter and if that's the best he's going to be, that's fine because the Reds haven't been able to develop those pitchers much less aces or #2 starters.

I've said before, Cueto and Volquez may be the best things that have happened to Homer. Now they have the expectations on them. They are the big stories and the saviors. There aren't going to be any Homer watches now. Wayne's not going to be asked 100 times a day when Homer's getting called up. Homer can pitch in AAA without all that pressure on him. That's not to say he shouldn't buckle down and do his very best but he can stay within himself.

[*BaseClogger*]

Cincinnati AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Patterson, CF 3 0 1 1 0 0 0 .438
Hopper, CF 2 1 1 0 0 0 1 .281
Freel, LF 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 .324
Anderson, Drew T., LF 2 0 0 0 0 2 1 .406
Bruce, RF 3 0 0 0 0 2 2 .286
Gil, RF 2 1 1 2 0 1 0 .429
Votto, DH 4 0 0 0 1 0 2 .152
Hatteberg, 1B 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 .355
Rios, 1B 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 .100
Keppinger, SS 3 0 3 1 0 0 0 .361
Rosales, SS 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .321
Cabrera, 2B 3 0 0 0 0 1 3 .314
Phillips, A, 2B 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 .242
Bako, C 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 .350
Hanigan, C 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 .200
Hairston, 3B 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 .556
a-Green, PH-3B 2 0 1 1 0 0 0 .370
Totals 38 6 11 5 2 8 13

a-Popped out for Hairston in the 7th.

BATTING
2B: Hairston (1, Lester), Hatteberg (2, Lester), Hopper (1, Aardsma), Phillips, A (2, Lopez).
HR: Gil (2, 7th inning off Aardsma, 1 on, 2 out).
TB: Patterson; Hopper 2; Freel; Gil 4; Hatteberg 2; Keppinger 3; Phillips, A 2; Hairston 2; Green.
RBI: Patterson (2), Keppinger (2), Gil 2 (5), Green (8).
2-out RBI: Gil 2; Green.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Bako; Votto.
Team LOB: 7.

BASERUNNING
SB: Keppinger (1, 2nd base off Lester/Varitek).

FIELDING
E: Bako (4, throw).


Boston AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Lugo, SS 3 1 2 0 0 1 0 .333
1-Lowrie, PR-SS 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 .081
Youkilis, 1B 2 1 1 2 1 0 0 .258
2-Carter, PR-1B 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 .344
Ortiz, DH 3 1 1 0 0 1 3 .308
a-Pinckney, A, PH-DH 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 .500
Ramirez, LF 2 0 0 0 0 1 3 .321
Thurston, LF-2B 3 2 3 1 0 0 0 .400
5-Lara, PR-2B 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Lowell, 3B 1 0 1 2 0 0 0 .281
3-Ginter, PR-3B 2 1 1 1 0 0 1 .286
6-Suarez, PR-3B 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Drew, RF 3 0 3 2 0 0 0 .360
4-Engel, PR-CF 2 2 2 2 0 0 0 .750
Varitek, C 3 1 1 3 0 0 3 .304
Kottaras, G, C 2 0 0 0 0 1 2 .357
Pedroia, 2B 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 .161
Nava, LF 2 0 1 1 0 0 1 .500
Moss, CF-RF 3 2 1 1 1 0 1 .294
Pritz, RF 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000
Totals 41 16 18 16 2 5 15

a-Homered for Ortiz in the 6th.
1-Ran for Lugo in the 4th. 2-Ran for Youkilis in the 4th. 3-Ran for Lowell in the 4th. 4-Ran for Drew in the 4th. 5-Ran for Thurston in the 8th. 6-Ran for Ginter in the 8th.

BATTING
2B: Lugo (1, Bailey), Ortiz (4, Bailey), Youkilis (1, Shearn), Ginter (2, Brower), Engel (1, Brower).
3B: Engel (1, Burton).
HR: Moss (2, 2nd inning off Bailey, 0 on, 1 out), Varitek (3, 4th inning off Shearn, 2 on, 2 out), Pinckney, A (1, 6th inning off Burton, 0 on, 0 out).
TB: Lugo 3; Youkilis 2; Ortiz 2; Pinckney, A 4; Thurston 3; Lowell; Ginter 2; Drew 3; Engel 5; Varitek 4; Nava; Moss 4.
RBI: Lowell 2 (5), Drew 2 (5), Moss (6), Youkilis 2 (4), Thurston (2), Varitek 3 (7), Pinckney, A (1), Engel 2 (2), Nava (1), Ginter (3).
2-out RBI: Lowell; Drew 2; Thurston; Varitek 3; Nava.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Varitek; Pritz.
SF: Lowell.
Team LOB: 5.




Cincinnati IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Bailey (L, 0-2) 3.1 7 6 6 2 3 1 8.44
Shearn 0.2 4 5 5 0 0 1 11.12
Bray 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
Burton 1.0 4 3 3 0 1 1 9.00
Sauerbeck 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 20.25
Brower 1.0 3 2 2 0 0 0 13.50
Boston IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Lester (W, 1-0) 4.0 4 3 3 1 3 0 6.00
Corey 1.2 3 0 0 0 1 0 1.17
Aardsma 1.0 2 2 2 1 1 1 5.40
Lopez 1.1 2 1 1 0 1 0 2.84
Hansen 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 11.12


WP: Lester 2.
HBP: Lowell (by Shearn).
Ground outs-fly outs: Bailey 2-5, Shearn 2-0, Bray 2-1, Burton 1-1, Sauerbeck 1-1, Brower 1-2, Lester 3-6, Corey 1-3, Aardsma 0-2, Lopez 2-1, Hansen 0-1.
Batters faced: Bailey 19, Shearn 7, Bray 3, Burton 7, Sauerbeck 3, Brower 6, Lester 17, Corey 8, Aardsma 6, Lopez 6, Hansen 3.
Inherited runners-scored: Shearn 2-2, Aardsma 1-0, Lopez 1-0.
Umpires: HP: Chuck Meriwether. 1B: Tim Tschida. 2B: Jeff Kellogg. 3B: Brian O'Nora.
Weather: 81 degrees, sunny.
Wind: 15 mph, R to L.
T: 3:22.
Att: 7,762.

[*BaseClogger*]

Brower is done

[Falls City Beer]

Brower is done

Aside from Burton, who could you *not* say that about on today's pitching roll?

[RedsManRick]

Bako sure has had a rough camp for defensively for a "catch & throw" guy

[Spring~Fields]

Just because he's not a successful major league pitcher yet doesn't necessarly mean he's a head case. People like to throw that word around a lot with kids who aren't successful right out the gate. How many 21-22 year old kids are successful big league starters? You could probably name them on the fingers of one hand. He may not be successful for another couple or three years. And he may not be an ace either. His ceiling may be as a #3 starter and if that's the best he's going to be, that's fine because the Reds haven't been able to develop those pitchers much less aces or #2 starters.

I've said before, Cueto and Volquez may be the best things that have happened to Homer. Now they have the expectations on them. They are the big stories and the saviors. There aren't going to be any Homer watches now. Wayne's not going to be asked 100 times a day when Homer's getting called up. Homer can pitch in AAA without all that pressure on him. That's not to say he shouldn't buckle down and do his very best but he can stay within himself.

Good points all of them. Each of those can contribute to bringing him forward in the future.

I don't mean a headcase as in trouble maker. I am thinking more along the lines of your last line, Bailey to focus ie "buckle down" and especially "stay within himself". I think the guy might be trying to hard to get and to stay in the majors, over throwing etc.

[edabbs44]

Brower is done

He was done long before today.

[Chip R]

I don't mean a headcase as in trouble maker. I am thinking more along the lines of your last line, Bailey to focus ie "buckle down" and especially "stay within himself". I think the guy might be trying to hard to get and to stay in the majors, over throwing etc.


I didn't think you did. But we fans tend to put that label on someone with talent like his that doesn't succeed right away. "He's got all the talent but he just can't put it together. He's got an attitude; he doesn't try hard enough; he doesn't listen to the coaches; he's on drugs; etc." In some cases, those criticisms may be true. People expected Homer to come up and while not dominate, at least be a solid starter - perhaps a #2 starter just waiting to replace Harang as the ace. He didn't meet those expectations and now we have Volquez and Cueto and all of a sudden Homer's dog meat. It's no disgrace that a 22 year old kid has to repeat AAA. We may find out a month into the season that Volquez and/or Cueto may not be ready for prime time and maybe Homer will have put things together in AAA and be ready for the Show this time.

[M2]

Aside from Burton, who could you *not* say that about on today's pitching roll?

I see no reason to exclude Burton.

Sounds like he's well on his way to becoming a forgotten man.

[Falls City Beer]

I see no reason to exclude Burton.

Sounds like he's well on his way to becoming a forgotten man.

Fair enough. But why on earth would they throw away only the second hard-thrower in an otherwise still-atrocious bullpen?

(Maybe Volquez still gets a bullpen demotion, however).

[jojo]

Bailey has issues. They're mostly just command-related.

The iceberg didn't kill passengers on the Titantic. It was the lack of lifeboats....

Command is the major league pitcher's lifeboat. Homer needs more lifeboats.

Simple really... :cool:

[M2]

Fair enough. But why on earth would they throw away only the second hard-thrower in an otherwise still-atrocious bullpen?

(Maybe Volquez still gets a bullpen demotion, however).

There's Roenicke and Salmon who throw harder than Burton. And at the end of the day I'm not sold Burton's going to be any better on WHIP and K/9 than guys like Todd Coffey and Marcus McBeth.

Burton's not exactly the punch-em-out sort and it's entirely possible that all of the four guys I just mentioned will be better this season than he is. Burton throws so hard that neither the new manager nor anyone reporting on the team has bothered to mention him all spring. He's been conspicuous by his absence.

[lollipopcurve]

M2, Burton has had 1 bad inning this spring. 1.

If you watched him at all closely in the second half last spring, you wouldn't be dismissing him after 1 bad inning in ST. As if dismissing anyone after 1 bad inning in spring was reasonable. Didn't see you burying Belisle after his awful outing on Friday...

[Falls City Beer]

And by "done" I mean, unlikely to make the MLB team out of ST, not "done" permanently.

Though Brower and Sauerbeck likely fit the latter definition.

[Matt700wlw]

What'd I miss besides Bailey stinking up the joint?

[Matt700wlw]

If it comes down to it, I am in favor of carrying Cabrera over Castro. Just because.

I'm in favor of me over Castro...and I was never good at baseball.

[Matt700wlw]

hello?

[Matt700wlw]

Rollins making Volquez work...

He's not going to see any scrubs today

[Matt700wlw]

He tied Rollins in knots after battling with him....I love it! Got him with a change-up

[OnBaseMachine]

Wrong game thread matt.

[Matt700wlw]

duh.

One of those days....sigh.

[M2]

M2, Burton has had 1 bad inning this spring. 1.

If you watched him at all closely in the second half last spring, you wouldn't be dismissing him after 1 bad inning in ST. As if dismissing anyone after 1 bad inning in spring was reasonable. Didn't see you burying Belisle after his awful outing on Friday...

And no good innings.

Frankly, I don't care what his spring numbers are at the moment. Have you heard so much as one person from ST say one positive thing about him? I haven't. I don't find that surprising because I've never been all that fond of his stuff. Better, higher end arms could be tabbed.