3/18/08---Reds vs. Pirates

[BRM]

Lineups updated per C. Trent.

Reds
Norris Hopper CF
Ryan Freel LF
Ken Griffey Jr. RF
Brandon Phillips 2B
Edwin Encarnacion 3B
Joey Votto 1B
Jerry Gil SS
Valentin C
Josh Fogg RH


Pirates
Nate McLouth LF
Nyjer Morgan CF
Doug Mientkiewicz 1B
Ryan Doumit C
Xavier Nady RF
Jose Bautista 3B
Luis Rivas SS
Josh Wilson 2B
Paul Maholm LH

[lollipopcurve]

Gil has caught Baker's eye. I have to think that both Gil and Andy Green are Reds bacause of Assistant GM Bob Miller (he of the Juan Duran signing). They were both in AZ while Miller was.

[klw]

6 through 9 in the lineup
Joey
Jerry
Javy
Josh

Don't they know that they have to split up the J's??????????????????:bang::bang::bang::bang::bang ::bang::bang: Oh that Baker. If this was opening day, I would have to quit being a fan. At least he knew enough to keep Juan, Jeff, Jay, Jolbert and Jerry away.

[Reds Fanatic]

Game is on WLW and XM 177 today

[Joseph]

Andy Green is a Reds fan and really wants to be a Red. Its somewhat rare to hear guys openly admit that sort of thing.

[BRM]

According to Fay, Keppinger hurt his quad sliding into second the other day. Dusty's going to give him a couple days off.

[dabvu2498]

Andy Green is a Reds fan and really wants to be a Red. Its somewhat rare to hear guys openly admit that sort of thing.

Sauerbeck said the same thing. :runaway:

[Sea Ray]

According to Fay, Keppinger hurt his quad sliding into second the other day. Dusty's going to give him a couple days off.

Is that so? In Fay's Reds Report in today's paper it clearly says:
Jeff Keppinger said he is not hurt; he's just been given the last two days off. He'll play today.

Interesting how these stories change.

And when are we going to hear the real problem with Ross' back? Spasms alone don't cause this sort of layoff. There must be something structurally causing those spasms.

[BRM]

This is from Fay's latest blog entry. Baker is the one who said Kepp hurt his quad.


Jeff Keppinger, Dusty Baker said, hurt his quad sliding into second the other day. He's getting a couple of days off. He's taking batting practice, etc. just not playing.

[Chip R]

What's the deal with Dusty and quads?

[Raisor]

What's the deal with Dusty and quads?

He's a leg man.

[BRM]

He's a leg man.

He'd LOVE you then.

[Raisor]

He'd LOVE you then.


darn right

[BRM]

darn right

Can you play SS?

[flyer85]

Marty talking about how the Reds(according to other organizations) have targeted Laird from the Rangers.

[Screwball]

Marty talking about how the Reds(according to other organizations) have targeted Laird from the Rangers.

Any word on what the Reds might have to give up for him?

[flyer85]

Any word on what the Reds might have to give up for him?nope

[flyer85]

marty has a "feeling" that Phillips is going to handle cleanup very, very, well.

I feel better.

[Raisor]

marty has a "feeling" that Phillips is going to handle cleanup very, very, well.

I feel better.


If the Reds face enough LHP, then sure.

[lollipopcurve]

Marty talking about how the Reds(according to other organizations) have targeted Laird from the Rangers.

Same guy I'd target. If the Reds are willing to cough up some starting pitching (Belisle or Bailey, probably), I'd think there's a trade of some shape to be made.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bailey for Laird? No thanks.

How good defensively is Laird?

[flyer85]

Bailey for Laird? No thanks.

How good defensively is Laird?solid, good not great but better than anything the Reds have. He does have a little upside as a hitter ... although he seems to be the typical catcher(offensive performance all over the place).

[flyer85]

Marty and Jeff think, after to taking Dusty, believe Votto will open at 1b regardless of the spring numbers. Jeff is high on Votto, thinks he will have a good season.

[lollipopcurve]

Bailey for Laird? No thanks.

How good defensively is Laird?

He's supposed to be good defensively. I imagine if the deal were to involve Bailey there would be more players involved. But do not underestimate the shortage of quality catching around the league, nor the level of desperation the Reds may be feeling.

[OnBaseMachine]

He's supposed to be good defensively. I imagine if the deal were to involve Bailey there would be more players involved. But do not underestimate the shortage of quality catching around the league, nor the level of desperation the Reds may be feeling.

If Homer Bailey is going to the Rangers for a catcher, I want that catcher to be Taylor Teagrden plus another prospect.

I'd give 'em Belisle for Laird though.

[flyer85]

BTW, JB thinks the Reds should trade Belisle(no AAA or bullpen) if they don't want him in the rotation.

[Matt700wlw]

Fogg not having a great day today....but yes, I'd be fine with trading Belisle..

I wonder what they could get for him? He's still young enough and has the "stuff" that may get some team's attention

[OnBaseMachine]

I really really don't want Josh Fogg in the rotation.

[klw]

2-0 Pirates in the top of the 3rd. Malholm treating the Reds like Billy Crystal- hitless through 2.

[Reds1]

Marty and Jeff think, after to taking Dusty, believe Votto will open at 1b regardless of the spring numbers. Jeff is high on Votto, thinks he will have a good season.

Ironic Votta just had an error! :)

[flyer85]

HR into the wind out to LF by Bautista

6-0 Rats

[RFS62]

Dense fogg alert

[Raisor]

Dense fogg alert



Sound the Fogg-horn!

Turn on the Fogg-lights!

aaaawwwwoooooooggggaa!

[BRM]

Does anyone want the 5th starter slot?

[Matt700wlw]

Does anyone want the 5th starter slot?

I'll take it!! :wave:

[BRM]

I'll take it!! :wave:

Do you know how to win?

[TRF]

Wait, Josh Fogg is pitching like Josh Fogg?

How is this possible?

[BRM]

Fogg's final line:

3 IP, 5 hits, 6 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 1K

[puca]

Wait, Josh Fogg is pitching like Josh Fogg?

How is this possible?

Inconceivable!

[Matt700wlw]

Do you know how to win?

I know how to play the game

[BRM]

Meanwhile, the Reds are hitless through 3.

[klw]

6-0 now in the 4th.. Fogg out after 3. 3inn 6 runs only 3 earned. mcbeth in.

[princeton]

Fogg gets a dead arm around this time every spring

it lasts, well, a really long time.

[Matt700wlw]

Somebody woke up, Votto - he CRUSHED it.

:jump:

[OnBaseMachine]

McBeth throws a scoreless 4th inning. He's quietly having a nice spring.

[membengal]

An oddly big at-bat for Votto there, given the murmuring that has broken out about him, even on this board. Two out three run homerun off of a lefty? Nice to see.

[Matt700wlw]

All it took was a little time....now Bruce needs one, that of course means he has to play, which lately....he hasn't very much.

[lollipopcurve]

JoVo

[BRM]

McBeth gave up a run in the 5th. Bray pitched a scoreless 6th.

[princeton]

Bray pitched a scoreless 6th.

I have always loved The Trade

and whenever I post that, Bray blows up

[flyer85]

I have always loved The Trade

and whenever I post that, Bray blows upthere is an obvious solution.

[membengal]

Bray should stop blowing up?

[BRM]

The Reds have emptied the bench. All of the starters have been replaced in the last inning or two.

[Screwball]

The Reds have emptied the bench. All of the starters have been replaced in the last inning or two.

I thought you meant they were brawling Rays/Yankees style at first.

[KronoRed]

I thought you meant they were brawling Rays/Yankees style at first.

Now that would be an entertaining ST game.

[BRM]

Bray has pitched two scoreless innings with a walk and two K's.

[princeton]

Bray has pitched two scoreless innings with a walk and two K's.


poor guy probably has no idea that I've jinxed him

he's feel like Wile E. Coyote, who can defy gravity until he realizes that he has been defying gravity.

[princeton]

there is an obvious solution.

give up my ego?

as if

[Caveat Emperor]

Fogg gets a dead arm around this time every spring

it lasts, well, a really long time.

He can probably blame the fact that he participated in summer ball last year.

[Matt700wlw]

Thus endeth the gameth for March 18th...

No game manana.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bray has looked great this spring. I think he's going to have a breakout season, and that will be huge for this bullpen because he has the stuff to retire lefties and righties.

[Falls City Beer]

Those willing to chuck Belisle: I give you: Josh Fogg.

[traderumor]

Those willing to chuck Belisle: I give you: Josh Fogg.
Different style, same results. Belisle will actually have to have a good season before I buy into his "unlucky" tag.

[Falls City Beer]

Different style, same results. Belisle will actually have to have a good season before I buy into his "unlucky" tag.

I don't think he's "unlucky" either. But he was able to K some while keeping his BB numbers fairly low. He's better than Fogg, and honestly, folks wanting to dump Belisle after a bad spring training are just asking for it.

This team does not have the luxury of dealing rotation arms. I don't care how excited all of us are about Cueto and Volquez.

Belisle's an option; Fogg is an emergency flotation device.

[Sea Ray]

I don't think he's "unlucky" either. But he was able to K some while keeping his BB numbers fairly low. He's better than Fogg, and honestly, folks wanting to dump Belisle after a bad spring training are just asking for it.

This team does not have the luxury of dealing rotation arms. I don't care how excited all of us are about Cueto and Volquez.

Belisle's an option; Fogg is an emergency flotation device.

Whatever decision is made for Opening Day will be a fluid one. If Fogg bombs like you fear then Belisle will be given a chance. The way I see it our #5 spot looks pretty ugly no matter who we put there and that's pretty much the case throughout the league.

[traderumor]

I don't think he's "unlucky" either. But he was able to K some while keeping his BB numbers fairly low. He's better than Fogg, and honestly, folks wanting to dump Belisle after a bad spring training are just asking for it.

This team does not have the luxury of dealing rotation arms. I don't care how excited all of us are about Cueto and Volquez.

Belisle's an option; Fogg is an emergency flotation device.If it is between Fogg and Belisle, I would lean toward putting Belisle in the pen because he has had some success there and can fill the long role. Fogg has generally been a starter, a bad one, but a starter nonetheless. In other words, until Belisle proves different, he may be of more value in the pen and he and Fogg are a push in the rotation. I also have had Belisle on my own personal trading block and still wouldn't mind putting him and Freel together in a deal.

[Sea Ray]

Chris Welsh this morning on 1530 said he thinks Belisle will either open the season in Louisville or the DL. He doesn't expect him in Cincinnati. He says they've shut him down for a few days and that's unusual unless they're watching some injury

[Chip R]

Chris Welsh this morning on 1530 said he thinks Belisle will either open the season in Louisville or the DL.

Matt needs to pull a Rodney Dangerfield from Caddyshack. "Oh, my arm!"