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reds44
03-24-2008, 06:57 PM
Reds:
Patterson CF
Keppinger SS
Griffey RF
Phillips 2B
Dunn LF
Encarnacion 3B
Hatteberg 1B
Kroski C
Bailey P

Jays:
Eckstein SS
Coats LF
Hill 2B
Wells CF
Scutaro 3B
Watson RF
Cannon 1B
Jeroloman C
Carlson P

CTA513
03-24-2008, 07:01 PM
No lineups yet, will post one as soon as I see it.

MLB.com has them up:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/boxscore.jsp?gid=2008_03_24_tormlb_cinmlb_1

Big Klu
03-24-2008, 07:08 PM
George will be so happy that Eckstein is playing!

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 07:09 PM
Bailey starts with a strike

reds44
03-24-2008, 07:09 PM
FSN has a gun tonight.

Bailey hit 94.

reds44
03-24-2008, 07:10 PM
Edwin robs Eckstein of a double to start the game.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:10 PM
Web gem by EdE.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:10 PM
All fastballs to Eckstein until the count goes 2-2 then he pulls the string on an 83 mph change-up. Eck grounds to 3rd.

reds44
03-24-2008, 07:11 PM
Bailey just broke Coats' bat with a change.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 07:12 PM
Radar gun's on tonight

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:12 PM
Where was that 1-2 pitch at?

reds44
03-24-2008, 07:12 PM
Coats with a hit.

M2
03-24-2008, 07:13 PM
Buck Coats in the starting lineup for the Blue Jays tonight along with Marco Scutaro, Matt Watson, Chip Cannon and Brian Jeroloman. Jesse Carlson's on the mound. That's more like a lineup you'd see in February than one a week shy of the opener.

Methinks Toronto's in trouble.

On the bright side, Homer ought to mow through these jokers.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:13 PM
Coats singles after getting a second chance.

jojo
03-24-2008, 07:13 PM
If Homer can't look good against this lineup, he should be in louisville

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:13 PM
Where was that 1-2 pitch at?

In the strike zone. Ump squeezed him.

reds44
03-24-2008, 07:14 PM
6-4-3 DP

inning over

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:14 PM
Double play on a 1-1 curveball.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 07:14 PM
DP!

Big Klu
03-24-2008, 07:14 PM
6-4-yessiree-3! :D

jojo
03-24-2008, 07:15 PM
Homer was ahead of everyone but went full to coats.... he's working in the low 90's

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:16 PM
Homer was ahead of everyone but went full to coats.... he's working in the low 90's

And he got all three to hit groundballs. He kept the ball down in the zone for the most part.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:19 PM
Patterson hits a high chopper to 2nd. 1 out.

Keppinger lines a single to left.

reds44
03-24-2008, 07:19 PM
Keppinger can hit.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:20 PM
Patterson grounded out and Kepp followed with a single on 3-2.

reds44
03-24-2008, 07:21 PM
3-6-3-1-4 DP

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:23 PM
Griff with a chopper to 1st. The fielder steps on the bag and then Kepp gets caught in a game of pickle. He eventually gets tagged out. That takes care of the 1st.

reds44
03-24-2008, 07:24 PM
Homer is pounding the strike zone.

Wells K

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:24 PM
Homer K's Vernon Wells on a changeup it looked like

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:24 PM
Wow, nice change on the outside corner for strike three on Vernon Wells.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 07:24 PM
Nice change-up!!

gm
03-24-2008, 07:25 PM
6-4-yessiree-3! :D

Forgot about that Grande-ism, needs to be in the ORG thread

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:26 PM
Nice fastball to paint the corner on 0-1 to Scutaro.

jojo
03-24-2008, 07:26 PM
Homer looks confident and teachable tonight....

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:27 PM
Bailey just hit 95 on the FSN gun, folllowed by an 83 mph change and then a 97 mph FB.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:27 PM
Homer is now throwing a tight slider in additon to the curve and change.

gm
03-24-2008, 07:27 PM
Kroski = Homer's personal catcher? (hey, it worked for Ross~Arroyo...)

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 07:28 PM
Mixing up his pitches....when missing, not by a lot.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:29 PM
Easy 1-2-3 inning there.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:29 PM
Routine flyout and groundout to end the inning.

M2
03-24-2008, 07:30 PM
Kroski = Homer's personal catcher? (hey, it worked for Ross~Arroyo...)

I think it's more like getting this Jays lineup to be his personal opponent.

Chip R
03-24-2008, 07:30 PM
If this baseball thing doesn't work out, maybe Homer should try his luck at hoops since Welsh just said he's 6'8".

Steve4192
03-24-2008, 07:31 PM
If this baseball thing doesn't work out, maybe Homer should try his luck at hoops since Welsh just said he's 6'8".

Welsh was talking about Harang

gm
03-24-2008, 07:31 PM
If this baseball thing doesn't work out, maybe Homer should try his luck at hoops since Welsh just said he's 6'8".

Let's see if HB can post up Harang, first

jojo
03-24-2008, 07:31 PM
So according to the talkers, Homer has modified his delivery and has added something looking like an average slider since last July yet rumor has it he's unteachable with an attitude problem?

Color me perplexed.

gm
03-24-2008, 07:33 PM
So according to the talkers, Homer has modified his delivery and has added something looking like an average slider since last July yet rumor has it he's unteachable with an attitude problem?

Color me perplexed.

So, does that mean HB's giving up on the "knuckle-curve"?

(doubt it)

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:33 PM
Jays make a pitching change for some reason (no word about it from Grande or Welsh). Brandon Phillips started out down 0-2 but works it full. He then grounds harmlessly to 3rd. 1 down.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 07:34 PM
:dunn:

:jump:

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:34 PM
Dunn homers on a rope to RF!

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:34 PM
Dunn first pitch HR!

Buckeye33
03-24-2008, 07:35 PM
Jays make a pitching change for some reason (no word about it from Grande or Welsh). Brandon Phillips started out down 0-2 but works it full. He then grounds harmlessly to 3rd. 1 down.

They talked about it in the bottom of the 1st. They wanted to get the 1st guy just 1 inning and then Marcum was the scheduled starter.

Happens a decent amount in spring training.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:36 PM
They talked about it in the bottom of the 1st. They wanted to get the 1st guy just 1 inning and then Marcum was the scheduled starter.

Happens a decent amount in spring training.

Ah, didn't catch that.

EE Ks looking. 2 down.

Buckeye33
03-24-2008, 07:36 PM
I flip over from the OSU game and the 1st thing I hear is Chris Welsh saying "pulling out"

Great.

gm
03-24-2008, 07:36 PM
I think it's more like getting this Jays lineup to be his personal opponent.

The Toronto Generals?

Homer's probably already worn these hitters out in the INTL/PCL/whatever they call it league

jojo
03-24-2008, 07:36 PM
Same 'ole Dunn.....laying off those fat ones early in the count....

gm
03-24-2008, 07:38 PM
Same 'ole Dunn.....laying off those fat ones early in the count....

Dusty will take credit, now that Dunn's hitting again

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:38 PM
Hatt with a lazy fly to CF. After 2, Reds up 1-0.

RollyInRaleigh
03-24-2008, 07:41 PM
Dunn very agressive early in the count. Ball up, out of the zone but one he can punish. I like that.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:42 PM
Homer gets a groundout to EdE to begin the 3rd inning.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:43 PM
Grounder to EE on a 2-2 count. 1 down.

Lot of first pitch strikes from Bailey tonight, but goes to 3-2 to the next batter. Bailey ends up walking him on a change-up. Runner on 1st, 1 down.

jojo
03-24-2008, 07:44 PM
Homer really isn't striking out the scrubs but he's only given up one flyball that I can remember and he hasn't been behind a hitter yet.....

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:44 PM
Bad Homer shows up and walks the #8 hitter.

jojo
03-24-2008, 07:45 PM
strike that...he's been behind one guy...the fella he just walked

jojo
03-24-2008, 07:47 PM
Dusty will take credit, now that Dunn's hitting again

Ya, that might become a running joke....

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:47 PM
And now he walks the pitcher.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:47 PM
And now Bailey seems to be losing the control he displayed in the first two innings. He walks the pitcher who had no intention of swinging the bat.

gm
03-24-2008, 07:48 PM
Did Bailey drink out of Cueto's glass or something?

jojo
03-24-2008, 07:48 PM
Homer's third so far.....lots of balls and he's mostly working in the high 80's....

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:49 PM
Doubleplay should have ended the inning but Phillips threw it in the dirt and Hatteberg couldn't pick it.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:49 PM
Quickly 0-2 on Eckstein. He grounds what should've been a DP to SS, but Phillips threw the turn in the dirt and Hatt couldn't handle the short hop. Run scores to tie the game at 1.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:50 PM
Flyout to Patterson ends the inning.

jojo
03-24-2008, 07:50 PM
Hattie IS NOT a good defender.... I'm sorry guys

Falls City Beer
03-24-2008, 07:52 PM
Hattie IS NOT a good defender.... I'm sorry guys

Nope--lot of clunkers on infield defense.

Raisor
03-24-2008, 07:52 PM
Hattie IS NOT a good defender.... I'm sorry guys

But he's the "Human Pickin' Machine!!!"

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:53 PM
Kroski grounds a seeing eye single past a diving 2nd baseman. Let's see how Homer bunts...

He puts it too close the pitcher who turns and gets the force at 2nd.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:54 PM
Kroski singles but is erased as Homer bunts into a FC.

jojo
03-24-2008, 07:56 PM
Kroski pickin' on the shrimp.... :cool:

And the ST conspiracies abound....

Screwball
03-24-2008, 07:56 PM
Patterson with a chopper to 1st. 2 down. Bailey goes to 2nd.

Kepp smokes a ball to deep left. It hits the wall for a double and brings home Bailey. 2-1 Reds.

jojo
03-24-2008, 07:56 PM
The play at the plate is the most exciting play in sports IMHO, but I'd prefer not to see one this half of the inning....

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:56 PM
Keppinger doubles off the wall in LCF to score Homer. 2-1 Reds.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 07:58 PM
Check swing groundout by Griffey.

2-1 Reds after 3.

The run against Homer Bailey was unearned.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:02 PM
Another walk. This one to Hill. 3 BBs and 1 K on the night so far.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 08:02 PM
Homer walks Hill to begin the 4th. Three walks in 3+ innings against the Jays "C" lineup.

Buckeye33
03-24-2008, 08:02 PM
Not that anyone doesn't know this, but Bailey simply doesn't throw enough strikes.

He must go to AAA and try to become better at throwing strikes. He has a ton of potential, but you can't succeed in the bigs throwing this many pitches.

Cyclone792
03-24-2008, 08:03 PM
I want Bailey to make 30 starts for the Reds this season just so I can watch him walk 100 guys.

Buckeye33
03-24-2008, 08:03 PM
Note to Homer, former All-Stars don't let two hangers go past twice in a row.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 08:03 PM
Wells lines a single to LF on a hanging curve. He has tons of potential but he clearly needs more time in Louisville.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:03 PM
Vernon laces an 0-1 curve into left. Runners on 1st and 2nd with nobody out.

jojo
03-24-2008, 08:04 PM
Bailey is looking cocky and unteachable.....

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 08:05 PM
Nice play by Phillips to turn the double play.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:05 PM
Bailey is looking cocky and unteachable.....

So when he makes good pitches, he looks confident and teachable and when he makes poor pitches he looks cocky and unteachable...is that my understanding? :D

jojo
03-24-2008, 08:06 PM
Excellent advice by CW....when throwing lots of balls, you need to have better command...

Homer is doing his job as far as inducing GBs goes...

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 08:07 PM
Flyout to Dunn ends the inning.

Homer: 4 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 3 BB, 1 K

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:07 PM
Nice job by Bailey to get out of that jam. Still 2-1 Reds going into the bottom of the 4th.

jojo
03-24-2008, 08:08 PM
So when he makes good pitches, he looks confident and teachable and when he makes poor pitches he looks cocky and unteachable...is that my understanding? :D

Exactly..... he looked coachable again during the last two batters faced....

Buckeye33
03-24-2008, 08:08 PM
Flyout to Dunn ends the inning.

Homer: 4 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 3 BB, 1 K

When he can switch that 3 and 1 he can pitch in Cincy.

jojo
03-24-2008, 08:09 PM
Homer....where for art thou K's?

jojo
03-24-2008, 08:11 PM
Steal 100 bases in a game, and I bet the last 10 or so are always meaningless.... just sayin'

M2
03-24-2008, 08:12 PM
Steal 100 bases in a game, and I bet the last 10 or so are always meaningless.... just sayin'

No entiendo.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:14 PM
Edwin...where art thou contact?

reds44
03-24-2008, 08:14 PM
Flyout to Dunn ends the inning.

Homer: 4 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 3 BB, 1 K
Not gonna get it done.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:14 PM
Dunn Ks looking and EE goes down swinging. Still 2-1 Reds after 4.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:15 PM
Walks will haunt...so far tonight is not a good example of that...

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:16 PM
Bailey out for a 5th inning...has he gone into the 5th yet?

Keppinger out so Castro can get much needed work, apparantly.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:17 PM
3-2 count. Another walk. It's alright, I'd be scared to throw Chip Cannon strikes as well.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:18 PM
Good lord, he's frustrating to watch...

Have to remember he is still 21 with tons of upside....he has to be the one to figure it out.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 08:18 PM
Bailey walks Chip Cannon to lead off the 5th. Yes, Chip Cannon.

4 walks in 4+ innings.

*BaseClogger*
03-24-2008, 08:18 PM
When was the last time Homer truly dominated in a start? Chattanooga?

RollyInRaleigh
03-24-2008, 08:18 PM
Dunn Ks looking and EE goes down swinging. Still 2-1 Reds after 4.

I'm sure Dusty will get credit for that one too.;)

jojo
03-24-2008, 08:18 PM
Homer is Louisville bound. But he got his uni dirty tonight....that should count for something....

*BaseClogger*
03-24-2008, 08:19 PM
I'm sure Dusty will get credit for that one too.;)

Dunn struck out looking. Dusty would never teach that. :)

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:19 PM
THROW STRIKES!!!

reds44
03-24-2008, 08:19 PM
Really, with Belisle on the shelf right now the Reds have no other optioons then Cueto, Fogg, and Volquez.

Because this just won't get it done.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:19 PM
wow.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 08:19 PM
Homer got squeezed on that 2-1 pitch. That was the same pitch Dunn got rung up on.

And now his 5th walk.

reds44
03-24-2008, 08:20 PM
5 walks

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:20 PM
Homer got squeezed on that 2-1 pitch. That was the same pitch Dunn got rung up on.

And now his 5th walk.

Throw strikes, and he may get that call. He ain't throwing them.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:20 PM
3-1 count. Then a walk. Sound familiar?

reds44
03-24-2008, 08:21 PM
He could not find the plate with a GPS.

jojo
03-24-2008, 08:21 PM
Walks are horrible no matter if it's your pitcher givin' them up or your bats takin' 'em....

Aronchis
03-24-2008, 08:22 PM
Not gonna get it done.

Verlander had a 6.00 k/9 his first full year as a 23 year old in 2006 before improving it to 8.2 last year.

You guys overvalue the k in this case. I want to see consistancy with mechanics. Breaking down against scrubs won't do though his mechanical set is going to mean slow starts.

Homer's arrival on the big league scene won't be about k's, but mechanical consistancy which will be noted a nice drop in bb/9. Tonight, he mechanically started well, but seemed to tire easily. Give him some prep starts in AAA.

By May, he should be 100%, lets see if he works the kinks out.

reds44
03-24-2008, 08:22 PM
Homer just threw and 86 MPH heater.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:22 PM
There's a K

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 08:22 PM
Strikeout swinging on a 3-2 pitch.

jojo
03-24-2008, 08:22 PM
Dunn and Homer....lots in common....both 6'8" and both victims....

cincrazy
03-24-2008, 08:23 PM
If Homer Bailey began the season in Cincinnati he'd be hard pressed to have a K-BB ratio of better than 1-1

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 08:23 PM
Homer just threw and 86 MPH heater.

That was a slider.

reds44
03-24-2008, 08:23 PM
That was a slider.
That was a really, really straight slider.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:24 PM
There's a K

Pitcher swung and missed at ball 4.

And now a wild pitch. Runners advance to 2nd and 3rd with 1 down.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:24 PM
Bailey is still more of a thrower than a pitcher...he needs to learn to be a pitcher.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 08:24 PM
Four pitch walk.

reds44
03-24-2008, 08:24 PM
6 BB
2 Ks

jojo
03-24-2008, 08:25 PM
Homer reached his 150 pitch limit....

M2
03-24-2008, 08:25 PM
Four pitch walk.

He's setting up the DP.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:26 PM
Pitcher swung and missed at ball 4.



At this point, take what you can get.

Aronchis
03-24-2008, 08:26 PM
Homer began looking fatigued in the 3rd inning. Since then, 6 walks, before that, good command.

Build up strength.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:27 PM
Bailey and Pole on the bench.

reds44
03-24-2008, 08:28 PM
Burton with 7 Ks, 0 BBs this spring but people are hitting nearly .500 against him.

reds44
03-24-2008, 08:28 PM
Nice job by Burton there.

Cyclone792
03-24-2008, 08:29 PM
Watching Ball Four pitch is almost comical now.

That's 16 walks in 19 innings this spring. Add up his 2007 big league numbers with his 2008 spring numbers and that's 44 walks in 64.1 innings, good for a 6.15 BB/9 rate.

Stellar, just stellar.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:29 PM
Nice job by Burton there.

Yep, Burton induces the tailor made 6-3 DP to end the inning. Despite 806 walks by Bailey (give or take 800), Reds still up 2-1 in the middle of 5.

Aronchis
03-24-2008, 08:31 PM
Watching Ball Four pitch is almost comical now.

That's 16 walks in 19 innings this spring. Add up his 2007 big league numbers with his 2008 spring numbers and that's 44 walks in 64.1 innings, good for a 6.15 BB/9 rate.

Stellar, just stellar.

I disagree. That is why it is spring training. I am not looking for "stellar". You are looking to build strength and consistancy.

Homer went 2.1 innings without a walk then appeared to wear down. Not unexpected nor surprising.

reds44
03-24-2008, 08:33 PM
I disagree. That is why it is spring training. I am not looking for "stellar". You are looking to build strength and consistancy.

Homer went 2.1 innings without a walk then appeared to wear down. Not unexpected nor surprising.
And last year in the majors?

jojo
03-24-2008, 08:33 PM
I disagree. That is why it is spring training. I am not looking for "stellar". You are looking to build strength and consistancy.

Homer went 2.1 innings without a walk then appeared to wear down. Not unexpected nor surprising.

If it takes him until May to get out of the second inning, is he really a starter? Just throwin' out a question....

cumberlandreds
03-24-2008, 08:34 PM
I disagree. That is why it is spring training. I am not looking for "stellar". You are looking to build strength and consistancy.

Homer went 2.1 innings without a walk then appeared to wear down. Not unexpected nor surprising.

It seems to me Bailey wears down after two or three innings a lot. Does Redszone think relieving is in his future?

cincrazy
03-24-2008, 08:34 PM
I disagree. That is why it is spring training. I am not looking for "stellar". You are looking to build strength and consistancy.

Homer went 2.1 innings without a walk then appeared to wear down. Not unexpected nor surprising.

Now I'm not quick to bury Homer, he's only 21 and I'm not going to get all worked up over spring training, but six walks is WAY too much any way you want to cut it, just like five walks was for Cueto yesterday. Yes, you want to build strength and consistency, but six walks and two K's is embarrassing.

He fatigues way too easily, and there has to be a root cause for that, and it needs to be addressed.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:35 PM
Votto now up with a runner on 1st and 1 down.

reds44
03-24-2008, 08:36 PM
Votto!!!!

GONE

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:36 PM
:jump:

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:36 PM
:votto:

:jump:

Stick him at 1B or whatever.

cumberlandreds
03-24-2008, 08:36 PM
Votto Homers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cyclone792
03-24-2008, 08:36 PM
I disagree. That is why it is spring training. I am not looking for "stellar". You are looking to build strength and consistancy.

Homer went 2.1 innings without a walk then appeared to wear down. Not unexpected nor surprising.

The dude's walk rate has stunk his entire professional career. What we saw tonight isn't anything new.

He's pitched 180.2 innings in his career at the AA level and higher, and he's walked 88 batters in those innings. That's a 4.38 BB/9 rate for his career since reaching Chattanooga.

That just flat out stinks.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:37 PM
Stick him at 1B or whatever.

I vote for yes.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:38 PM
Reports of AZ is that Kerry Wood is hitting 98 on the gun and looking like the Kerry Wood of old....the Cubbies are hoping he works out as the closer

Aronchis
03-24-2008, 08:39 PM
And last year in the majors?

Sir, the majors you EXPECT to have command issues as a young pitcher besides dealing with a groin injury.

When pitchers pitch well then begin losing command, that is a FATIGUE issue. Which is hardly surprising from a young pitcher with Bailey's mechanics. He needs to build up leg strength.

He looked about 60% and wasn't going much over 94mph.

Take a look from 2006 spring training AND early season posts complaining about Bailey and his "low velocity".

Even last year Bailey didn't start pinging 97mph to May after his first rest with the groin injury.

When your mechanics are all leg driven, you better have a healthy groin don't you think?

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:40 PM
Routine fly outs by Patterson and Castro. 4-1 Reds after 5.

jojo
03-24-2008, 08:40 PM
A dagger in Hattie's heart......

reds44
03-24-2008, 08:43 PM
That was a painful, painful interview.

I thought Chris was going to stick the mic down Votto's throat.

reds44
03-24-2008, 08:48 PM
These interviews make me want to stab myself in the eye.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:48 PM
Griff with a single to right to lead off the bottom of the 6th.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:49 PM
These interviews make me want to stab myself in the eye.

Yeah, they really shouldn't let Welsh out of the booth.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:50 PM
Griff with a single to right to lead off the bottom of the 6th.

I wonder if he'll make the team?

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:51 PM
Phillips with a pop-up. 1 down, Dunn due up.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 08:52 PM
The ball just jumps off Votto's bat. I think he'll give us 25 homers and 35 doubles if given the chance this season.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:53 PM
Dunn WAY out in front of a couple changes then gets frozen on a FB on the outside corner. Two backwards Ks for Dunn. He might get called to the principal's office.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:54 PM
Edwin K's...again

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:55 PM
And EE follows with a K of his own. 4-1 Reds after 6.

Raisor
03-24-2008, 08:55 PM
Dunn WAY out in front of a couple changes then gets frozen on a FB on the outside corner. Two backwards Ks for Dunn. He might get called to the principal's office.

If the cost of a Dunn HR is two SOL, then sign me up for the K's

reds44
03-24-2008, 08:56 PM
Ryan Howard hit .221 with 25 Ks last spring.

I'm not too worried about Edwin, Dunn, or Votto.

reds44
03-24-2008, 08:58 PM
Junior pulls a Junior in Seattle.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 08:58 PM
Nice play by the old guy in right field :)

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 08:59 PM
Junior pulls a Junior in Seattle.

Except the Seattle version of Junior is standing underneath that one. ;)

Screwball
03-24-2008, 08:59 PM
Two deep fly outs to the warning track and a single so far off Mike Lincoln.

Another squarely hit ball but right at the left fielder. 4-1 Reds as we stretch in the 7th.

Raisor
03-24-2008, 09:00 PM
Junior pulls a Junior in Seattle.

He didn't get in the head by a ceiling tile did he?

TeamBoone
03-24-2008, 09:00 PM
I'm not so sure that Dusty ordering Adam to be more aggressive early in the count is doing him any favors. He improved his average and cut down his strikeouts last year. Maybe it would be better to allow him to apply whatever he learned last year and, hopefully, lead to even more improvement this year. Instead, he's being forced to try and change his total approach at the plate by pretty much making him swing at pitches that he ordinarily would not.

reds44
03-24-2008, 09:01 PM
Except the Seattle version of Junior is standing underneath that one. ;)
The impressive part about that is he would have been coming from CF too.

:D

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:04 PM
Hatt with a hard hit grounder to SS. 1 down.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 09:04 PM
Kevin Ahrens now playing 3B for the Jays. If you remember, he was long rumored to be the Reds first round draft pick last June until they chose Devin Mesoraco instead.

Chris Valaika will bat 3rd this inning for the Reds.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:05 PM
Chris Denove batting now. Chris Valaika on deck.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:07 PM
Denove goes down swinging. Valaika with a solid single into right.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 09:07 PM
Valaika lines a single to RF. He's a good looking young hitter...he'll most likely move off SS to 2B but his bat is very solid.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 09:08 PM
Hairston, Jr. drives Valaika in

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:08 PM
Valaika scores on a double from Hairston down the left field line. 5-1 Reds.

reds44
03-24-2008, 09:09 PM
Chris, stop sticking the mic down Junior's throat.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 09:10 PM
I'd like to see one of the players bite the mic the next time he sticks it up there. I mean really put some teeth marks in that thing.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:12 PM
I'd like to see one of the players bite the mic the next time he sticks it up there. I mean really put some teeth marks in that thing.

:D

Castro with a routine fly out to right. 5-1 Reds heading into the 8th.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:14 PM
Mercker now in. Grande says he figures into the Reds 2008 bullpen plans.

Falls City Beer
03-24-2008, 09:17 PM
Mercker now in. Grande says he figures into the Reds 2008 bullpen plans.

I hope as a coach.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:18 PM
Merck's been watching too much of Bailey. Back to back walks to lead off the inning.

flyer85
03-24-2008, 09:19 PM
Mercker now in. Grande says he figures into the Reds 2008 bullpen plans.
his fastball looks to be 3-4 mph slower than his last stint with the Reds.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 09:20 PM
I hope as a coach.

Hopefully Castro joins him as the bullpen catcher.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:21 PM
Mercker's missing badly, going 3-0 but then works it full. A broken bat liner to 2nd and there's 1 out, runners on 1st and 2nd.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 09:22 PM
The Rays sent Evan Longoria to AAA.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:23 PM
his fastball looks to be 3-4 mph slower than his last stint with the Reds.

Yeah, he's topping out at 87 to 88. IIRC, he used to sit at 90-91.

He gets someone to go down swinging though. 2 down.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:25 PM
Like Bailey, Mercker gets himself out of the inning with no damage despite the leadoff walks. Still 5-1 Reds going into the bottom of 8.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:28 PM
"... Two strikeouts and 6 walks. Good 84 pitch outing by Homer Bailey." - George Grande

Whatever you say, George.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 09:28 PM
Former Red great Mike Gosling now pitching for the Jays. He's the greatest lefty with the last name of Gosling to ever pitch in the major leagues.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:29 PM
Freel takes a 4 pitch walk with 1 out.

Andy Green now up.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:32 PM
Green reaches on an error. SS booted a routine grounder.

Andy Phillips steps in.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:34 PM
Grounder to 2nd results in the double play that should've ended the inning on the last play.

Jays still down 4 heading into the top of the 9th.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 09:34 PM
Affeldt to pitch the 9th...or at least try

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:36 PM
Affeldt to pitch the 9th...or at least try

He's got some zip on his FB. 93 and 94 on the FSN gun.

Grounder to 2nd, 1 down.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 09:38 PM
The Reds 2008 season preview is on after this game.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:39 PM
McCoy saying this year's Reds are the best looking team in ST since 2000.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 09:39 PM
Jeremy Affeldt is going to be one expensive crappy edition to that bullpen, if Spring Training is any evidence of what the Reds are getting...Stanton the prequel

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 09:40 PM
Affeldt walks a batter and allows a RBI double.

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:40 PM
A double by some guy chases home some other guy that got on first somehow.

5-2 Reds.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 09:43 PM
Foulout followed by RBI triple. 5-3.

Matt700wlw
03-24-2008, 09:43 PM
splendid

Screwball
03-24-2008, 09:43 PM
Doc Hollywood now saying this is the best Reds team he's seen in the 12 years he's been with the club.

As he says that, a triple makes it a 5-3 ballgame with 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
03-24-2008, 09:44 PM
We appreciate it, Colorado, but you guys can have Affeldt and Fogg back.

Reds win 5-3.

cincrazy
03-24-2008, 10:02 PM
We appreciate it, Colorado, but you guys can have Affeldt and Fogg back.

Reds win 5-3.

I wasn't too concerned with Affeldt tonight. His fastball had some nice zip on it and his breaking ball was sharp at times. I actually think he'll end up being a valuable addition to the bullpen, I just think him starting the spring out trying to start threw him off his game a bit.

I'm not nearly as sold on Fogg, however.

paintmered
03-24-2008, 10:03 PM
I don't want to read through the entire thread. Can anyone provide me a quick summary of Bailey's outing?

pedro
03-24-2008, 10:08 PM
I don't want to read through the entire thread. Can anyone provide me a quick summary of Bailey's outing?

6 walks in 4 innings.

edabbs44
03-24-2008, 10:09 PM
6 walks in 4 innings.

Don't short change him. It was 4+ innings. ;)

Screwball
03-24-2008, 10:14 PM
I don't want to read through the entire thread. Can anyone provide me a quick summary of Bailey's outing?


He started out well enough, keeping the ball down, throwing first pitch strikes, getting ahead of hitters, and generally locating pretty well. However, much like his start against the Yanks, once he got to the 3rd inning any semblance of control just went kaput. He missed with all his pitches, got behind hitters, and even walked the pitcher who literally sat there the whole time with the bat on his shoulder.

His pure stuff is tantalizing though, IMO. If and when he develops consistent command he's going to be special.

flyer85
03-24-2008, 10:22 PM
We appreciate it, Colorado, but you guys can have Affeldt and Fogg back.

Reds win 5-3."one teams garbage is another teams treasure"

paintmered
03-24-2008, 10:50 PM
He started out well enough, keeping the ball down, throwing first pitch strikes, getting ahead of hitters, and generally locating pretty well. However, much like his start against the Yanks, once he got to the 3rd inning any semblance of control just went kaput. He missed with all his pitches, got behind hitters, and even walked the pitcher who literally sat there the whole time with the bat on his shoulder.

His pure stuff is tantalizing though, IMO. If and when he develops consistent command he's going to be special.

Thanks, and I agree with your assessment. As great as his stuff is, he is of little help as a starter if he can't locate his pitches. I think it will come with time, but it doesn't look like the light will come on this year.

traderumor
03-25-2008, 06:56 AM
Sometimes it seems so obvious and simple that it can't be, but Affeldt has quite a 1-2 punch with the slow wrinkle and fastball, yet he got himself in trouble when he just had to throw fastball after fastball.

Bailey is just all over the place. He was missing his spots by a couple feet in the last two innings. I will not be surprised to see a blog post that he has been sent out today.

RollyInRaleigh
03-25-2008, 08:17 AM
Bailey has no command of the strikezone and I think it may be more mechanical than anything else. It also looks to me like he has lost velocity. He is really going to have to work on some things. One small thing that I noticed was that quite often, he was landing on his heel with his stride foot as opposed to the ball of his foot. Chris Welsh was saying that he needs to cut down on his stride, ala Aaron Harang, but I'm not sure that is the answer for Bailey. Looks to me like his arm and his stride are not real cohesive right now. His arm is lagging behind his stride and that can cause some real control problems, as well as an arm injury down the road if he doesn't correct it. Makes you wonder if his legs are "under him," with the way that he seems to really struggle with his control after a couple of innings. Anyway,looks to me like he has enough to work on for a season ticket to AAA.

Highlifeman21
03-25-2008, 09:18 PM
And last year in the majors?

"Groin injury"

jojo
03-26-2008, 08:27 AM
"Groin injury"

He did have a documented groin injury and it's probably likely that he would be further along in his development if he hadn't had one last year.

Can this particular issue (Homer's groin) finally get turned into glue or dog food?

Please.

Highlifeman21
03-26-2008, 09:46 AM
He did have a documented groin injury and it's probably likely that he would be further along in his development if he hadn't had one last year.

Can this particular issue (Homer's groin) finally get turned into glue or dog food?

Please.

So, either Homer's groin is still injured during ST this year and we need to finally get an accurate diagnosis and put him on the proper rehab program, or there's a bigger issue with Homer than his "injured groin".

I understand completely how an injury can sidetrack the development of a player, but if Homer was supposedly "healthy" for his final 3 starts of 2007, then what's his story now? He's pitching horribly, yet he's supposedly healthy now. I'm just looking for an answer as to what's going on with Homer Bailey, and I can't easily dismiss it the blanket assessment of "groin injury".

lollipopcurve
03-26-2008, 09:52 AM
So, either Homer's groin is still injured during ST this year and we need to finally get an accurate diagnosis and put him on the proper rehab program, or there's a bigger issue with Homer than his "injured groin".

I understand completely how an injury can sidetrack the development of a player, but if Homer was supposedly "healthy" for his final 3 starts of 2007, then what's his story now? He's pitching horribly, yet he's supposedly healthy now. I'm just looking for an answer as to what's going on with Homer Bailey, and I can't easily dismiss it the blanket assessment of "groin injury".

The ambulance has long since left the neighborhood, so why continue the chase?

Sometimes life is simpler than we make it. The issues with Homer are plain before our eyes. His command is inconsistent, so he throws a lot of pitches. His secondary stuff needs refinement. Maybe it's a mechanics issue (that could mean many things). Maybe it's a repertoire issue -- they say he's working on a slider now. Maybe it's simply a matter of him getting reps. Who knows? Certainly none of us. That's why they have coaches.

RollyInRaleigh
03-26-2008, 01:46 PM
Homer is not experiencing anything different than a lot of young pitchers experience on their path to the majors. He is young. He's having trouble commanding the strikezone. Pitching is not an easy thing to master. He has been a "stud" all his life and now he has met a challenge that his God given ability can't overcome. It's a wakeup call. He needs to work on things. How he handles it will tell you a lot about Homer Bailey.

RedsManRick
03-26-2008, 03:24 PM
If his lower body is moving ahead of his upper body, what muscle group(s) is responsible for helping the upper body catch up? If there is a mechanical inefficiency between his landing foot and his arm, couldn't that sort of thing show up somewhere in between, say around the groin?

Highlifeman21
03-26-2008, 03:35 PM
Homer is not experiencing anything different than a lot of young pitchers experience on their path to the majors. He is young. He's having trouble commanding the strikezone. Pitching is not an easy thing to master. He has been a "stud" all his life and now he has met a challenge that his God given ability can't overcome. It's a wakeup call. He needs to work on things. How he handles it will tell you a lot about Homer Bailey.

I understand that he's struggling, but I'm curious as to the cause of his struggles.

Last year, his struggles were attributed to his "groin injury".

So far this year, he's supposedly healthy, yet putting up horrible numbers in ST.

So, I'm curious as to the cause of his struggles. Is it his groin again/still? Is it another injury? Is it mental?

Clearly his mechanics aren't as sound and repeatable as advertised. Some have suggested he shorten his stride. Some have suggested other/different arm angles. Some have suggested he changes his approach to hitters.

Regardless of the cause, I want to find a cure. I want this kid to excel for the Reds. And for a long time.



I'm glad he just got optioned to AAA. I'm hoping he gets it all figured out by Opening Day 2009.

jojo
03-26-2008, 03:57 PM
I'm just looking for an answer as to what's going on with Homer Bailey

I think it's all mechanics. Homer's groin probably wasn't his downfall last season but it probably exacerbated his issues.

I suspect he's underwent a good deal of monkeying since last July. I think it was CW during Monday's telecast who was suggesting Homer has shortened his stride a bit. I haven't had the time lately to compare his delivery from this spring to last year's but I'd love to hear someone's opinion on the subject if they've had a chance to.....

RollyInRaleigh
03-27-2008, 08:11 AM
Pitching mechanics can be an elusive thing for young pitchers who have never had to struggle. He looks all out of sorts right now. Homer needs to find someone to trust and give that person his total attention. I'm not sure the Reds have that person in the organization right now. Might ask Team Clark about his thoughts on Ted Power. Too many cooks in the kitchen can make a real mess of things.

That is the one thing that I have resisted in my son's development. I am his coach and he listens to me. We work on small pieces of the pie at a time. Even older kids struggle with too much information. I see so many young kids struggling with trying to please too many people, being paralyzed from being analyzed.

lollipopcurve
03-27-2008, 08:19 AM
Even older kids struggle with too much information. I see so many young kids struggling with trying to please too many people, being paralyzed from being analyzed.

Absolutely. As you say, if there's one guy in the organization who Homer trusts and who knows what he's talking about, that'll be a good thing. I think he may have had some success working with Tom Brown in Sarasota last summer, because when he came back to Cincinnati in September he was significantly better.

Ron Madden
03-28-2008, 03:29 AM
Pitching mechanics can be an elusive thing for young pitchers who have never had to struggle. He looks all out of sorts right now. Homer needs to find someone to trust and give that person his total attention. I'm not sure the Reds have that person in the organization right now. Might ask Team Clark about his thoughts on Ted Power. Too many cooks in the kitchen can make a real mess of things.

That is the one thing that I have resisted in my son's development. I am his coach and he listens to me. We work on small pieces of the pie at a time. Even older kids struggle with too much information. I see so many young kids struggling with trying to please too many people, being paralyzed from being analyzed.

I agree Randy. :thumbup:

I honestly believe Adam Dunn has been trying to please too many people, paralyzed from being analyzed.

:)

RollyInRaleigh
03-28-2008, 09:17 AM
You have to figure out who you trust. You have to know what you want to accomplish. Then you go to work. Big things are accomplished, only, through the perfection of minor details. I agree with you on Adam Dunn.

John Wooden once said, "Although there is no progress without change, not all change is progress."