Kearns on the block

[Handofdeath]

According to cnnsi.com:

"The Reds are offering outfielder Austin Kearns for pitching in hopes of repeating the Wily Mo Pena trade that put GM Wayne Krivsky on the map. Krivsky would be wise to try to resurrect the Kearns-for-Jake Westbrook deal that was discussed earlier this season, though that may be difficult because Westbrook's value has continued to rise while Kearns' has not. Krivsky might have no choice but to try to dangle Adam Dunn, perhaps as a DH to an AL team, to get what he needs."

Thoughts?

[MartyFan]

We have depth in the OF and need pitching...why not?

[pahster]

The return for Dunn would have to be tremendous. Like Liriano-big.

[redsfan30]

I'd be all for using Kearns as bait to net us another strong starting pitcher to go with Harang and Arroyo.

It does have the potential to be a VERY interesting next couple of days...that's for sure.

[redsfan30]

The return for Dunn would have to be tremendous. Like Liriano-big.
I'd have to think Fransico Liriano would be the definition of "untouchable" right now.

[pahster]

I'd have to think Fransico Liriano would be the definition of "untouchable" right now.

As would I.

[Red Leader]

yeah, ideally, I'd rather move Denorfia for pitching, but the return you'd get with him probably isn't going to be as good as what you'd get for Kearns, and Kearns will start to get pretty expensive in the years coming up, so I would say it does make some sense to deal Kearns. Having said that, I hope defensively Denorfia and/or Freel can replace Kearns or we're not going to be improving very much no matter who we get in return.

[membengal]

Why would si.com say Kearns' value hasn't risen? His OPS and other numbers should be potentially the best on the market outside of Carlos Lee. In fact, in some respects, he may be as valuable as Lee (younger, better contract). Interesting note on his availability, not great analysis from them, in my opinion.

[Handofdeath]

I think Kearns could probably fetch a #2 or #3 starter. Dunn, as much as I have criticized him, has DH written all over him. I honestly think he would be great at it and the right team might be willing to give the Reds a top starter.

[Red Leader]

I definately think Dunn could fetch an Ervin Santana from the Angels. I wouldn't be too thrilled with just a 1-1 of that deal, though. I'd want more thrown in from the Angels side, but I could see them being reluctant to do that considering each of their salaries.

[TOBTTReds]

I think Kearns could probably fetch a #2 or #3 starter. Dunn, as much as I have criticized him, has DH written all over him. I honestly think he would be great at it and the right team might be willing to give the Reds a top starter.

If Dunn would hate being a 1B because of the lack of action and movement, what would he say about being a DH? Personally I think being a DH would be boring, and it wouldn't even feel like you're playing baseball. It's like pinch-hitting 4 times a game. I think he would be bad at it because he wouldn't accept his role well. Plus there would be a lot of games where he will go 0-4 with 2 k's, and contribute nothing to the team, because he doesn't play the field. Atleast if he has a bad day at the plate now, he can reconcile with his defense (which hasn't been that bad in the last few months like it was in April).

[redsfan4445]

how about a package to include Kearns, Edwin, Claussen and Travis Wood and another prospect for Willis , Herges and Cabrera??
i know i know Krusty,, just curious if marlins would bite

[Tom Servo]

Since there's a topic now about trading, I'll throw this out. Anybody hear about Buster Olney supposedly saying on ESPN Radio the Reds have a trade brewing that could be bigger than when A-Rod going to the Yankees? Any truth to Olney actually saying it, or it being a valid rumor?

[Blimpie]

Why would si.com say Kearns' value hasn't risen? His OPS and other numbers should be potentially the best on the market outside of Carlos Lee. In fact, in some respects, he may be as valuable as Lee (younger, better contract). Interesting note on his availability, not great analysis from them, in my opinion.I couldn't agree more. Kearns has done nothing this season to hurt his trade value.

[redsfan4445]

Since there's a topic now about trading, I'll throw this out. Anybody hear about Buster Olney supposedly saying on ESPN Radio the Reds have a trade brewing that could be bigger than when A-Rod going to the Yankees? Any truth to Olney actually saying it, or it being a valid rumor?

no this is the first i heard of it... please let us know what they are thinking...

[The_jbh]

The thing that bothers me about dealing Kearns is the defense factor. He is our only above average defender in the OF and our pitchers need all he help we can get. Denorfia is a good defensive outfielder but not at the caliber of Kearns. He is our only potential gold glover... atleast in the OF (BP)

As much as I hate to ear crow (I have been a staunch supporter of Dunn and that it would be rediculous deal a franchise cornerstone of his caliber. He is a once in a decade guy but...) dealing him really makes more sense for the team. He is a liablity in left, he really needs to move to 1B. Him and Griffey in the same OF just isn't good. Hell I'd be alright with Griffey to 1b too but in reality this type of move wont happen untill Spring Training. I love Chris Denorfia and really want to see him get a significant amount of playing time, but he'd be the ideal to deal. I think this team has good chemistry and dealing Kearnsy or Dunn will put a serere ripple in that. I think Freel is too important of a super sub to deal is well.

Its a tough decison Kriv is going to have to make because we clearly still need some help and to get that we are gonna have to deal players of value... should be interesting to see what unfolds.

[redsfan30]

Since there's a topic now about trading, I'll throw this out. Anybody hear about Buster Olney supposedly saying on ESPN Radio the Reds have a trade brewing that could be bigger than when A-Rod going to the Yankees? Any truth to Olney actually saying it, or it being a valid rumor?
Haven't heard anything about that.

[Gainesville Red]

Since there's a topic now about trading, I'll throw this out. Anybody hear about Buster Olney supposedly saying on ESPN Radio the Reds have a trade brewing that could be bigger than when A-Rod going to the Yankees? Any truth to Olney actually saying it, or it being a valid rumor?

I haven't heard it, but who could the reds dangle that would be bigger than an A-Rod deal? Weird.

[Handofdeath]

Since there's a topic now about trading, I'll throw this out. Anybody hear about Buster Olney supposedly saying on ESPN Radio the Reds have a trade brewing that could be bigger than when A-Rod going to the Yankees? Any truth to Olney actually saying it, or it being a valid rumor?

Dude, give us info.

[savafan]

how about a package to include Kearns, Edwin, Claussen and Travis Wood and another prospect for Willis , Herges and Cabrera??
i know i know Krusty,, just curious if marlins would bite

Not too hard to believe. I've heard rumor of a possible deal involving EdE and Cabrera. I don't know who else was involved, but I don't think Willis was included in that rumor.

[pedro]

I haven't heard it, but who could the reds dangle that would be bigger than an A-Rod deal? Weird.


It'd have to include Griffey and Dunn IMO.

[MartyFan]

Since there's a topic now about trading, I'll throw this out. Anybody hear about Buster Olney supposedly saying on ESPN Radio the Reds have a trade brewing that could be bigger than when A-Rod going to the Yankees? Any truth to Olney actually saying it, or it being a valid rumor?

Heard nothing of it and honestly can't see anyone in the game that is available that would be on this level.

Maybe a package deal from the Reds to whatever other team...it would be an "EXTREME MAKEOVER" type deal for both teams....that is the only way I could see those sort of words being used.

[Will M]

the rumor i read was the White Sox trading Anderson & McCarty to the Giants for Jason Schmidt. Then they would need a CF and still have interest in Griffey ( amongst 1-2 others )

- Will

[Handofdeath]

It'd have to include Griffey and Dunn IMO.
Well, the Yankees are in bad need of OF's right now. How about this?

Jr. and Kearns for

Randy Johnson and cash.

[Will M]

I agree with the trade Dunn ( not Kearns ) opinion

Dunn for Ervin Santana would be a good trade. The Reds need to look at 2006 but also 2007+

- Will

[Reds4Life]

Well, the Yankees are in bad need of OF's right now. How about this?

Jr. and Kearns for

Randy Johnson and cash.

The Unit is over 40 years old and ready to hang it up, no thank you to that deal.

[Gainesville Red]

Well, the Yankees are in bad need of OF's right now. How about this?

Jr. and Kearns for

Randy Johnson and cash.

I'd do Jr. for Randy Johnson. Don't know if they would, and don't care much.

I wouldn't do it if it was Jr. and Kearns.

The Unit's old and getting older fast.

[Tom Servo]

Dude, give us info.
That's the exent of what I know. :dunno:

[The_jbh]

The Unit is over 40 years old and ready to hang it up, no thank you to that deal.

Thats exactly the deal we dont need to make, sac a potential large part of our future in Kearns for a half a season rental.

Cabrerra would make sense, he a significant improvement in the field over EE and Reds have always been high on him, we should have signed him in the international market in the first place :bang:
then again it doesnt make sense because it does nothing to address pitching unless we are getting a reliever in the deal. Borowski ne one?

[Handofdeath]

How about this?

Dunn
Jr.
Lopez

for Jaret Wright, cash and A-Rod.

If it's that much of a blockbuster this might make a little sense. Not going to happen though.

[redsmetz]

Why would si.com say Kearns' value hasn't risen? His OPS and other numbers should be potentially the best on the market outside of Carlos Lee. In fact, in some respects, he may be as valuable as Lee (younger, better contract). Interesting note on his availability, not great analysis from them, in my opinion.

I often wonder this. The national press doesn't seem to give our guys any amount of credit. I think there is a considerable upside to Austin Kearns, not the least of it his growing leadership on the team. I've noticed in the past month or so, him speaking up more in a "we" voice in interviews.

I'm not adverse to losing Kearns but the return has to be pretty decent, IMO.

[Gainesville Red]

How about this?

Dunn
Jr.
Lopez

for Jaret Wright, cash and A-Rod.

If it's that much of a blockbuster this might make a little sense. Not going to happen though.



I think it would have to be a crap load of of cash.

I haven't looked at Jaret Wright's numbers this year. How's he doing?

[reds44]

I've been saying for weeks this lineup would be fine without Kearns and even FeLo. if we coudl get something good, I wouldn't mind trading him.

[Red Leader]

Not too hard to believe. I've heard rumor of a possible deal involving EdE and Cabrera. I don't know who else was involved, but I don't think Willis was included in that rumor.

That would make sense for the Marlins and Angels, I believe. It'd have to be Edwin going to the Marlins, Dunn going to LAA, and us getting back Cabrera from thh Fish and Santana from the Angels. With maybe a prospect from us and the Angels also going to FLA.

So, three team trade:

Reds trade: Dunn and Edwn. Reds get M. Cabrera and E. Santana
Marlins trade: M. Cabrera. Marlins get E. Encarnacion, prospect from LAA, prospect from CIN.
Angels trade E. Santana. Angels get A. Dunn.

Makes sense. I'd have to seriously consider that trade if I were the Reds. Cabrera and Dunn's contracts would pretty much be the same over the next 5-6 years with Cabrera being a better defender, a RH bat, and a better hitter for AVG. E. Santana would be a great addition to the rotation for this year and would start with Arroyo, Harang, and maybe Bailey in 2007, with us only needing 1 LHSP between Claussen (if healthy) or Milton (if healthy) to serve as the 5th man.

Interesting.

[Handofdeath]

5-5 4.23 Era

[goreds2]

I think it would have to be a crap load of of cash.

I haven't looked at Jaret Wright's numbers this year. How's he doing?

He is 5-5 with a 4.23 ERA.

[reds44]

Not too hard to believe. I've heard rumor of a possible deal involving EdE and Cabrera. I don't know who else was involved, but I don't think Willis was included in that rumor.
In May, Marty said there was a rumor running wild about a Edwin for D-Train trade.

The Marlins must have alot of interest in Edwin if they are going after him again.

[Handofdeath]

Another thing to think about. The Reds wanted to trade Kearns to the Royals for Greinke last season but the Royals said no. Would you do that trade now?

[reds44]

Another thing to think about. The Reds wanted to trade Kearns to the Royals for Greinke last season but the Royals said no. Would you do that trade now?
no.

[vaticanplum]

He is 5-5 with a 4.23 ERA.

He started out poorly and has had a couple of dang good games recently. But I still wouldn't trust him. He's inconsistent and injury-prone.

There's not a Yankees pitcher I'd take whom they'd be willing to give up(Mussina, Wang). A-Rod's contract is untouchable; he has a no-trade clause.

I like the Santana trade ok -- I think he has a lot of potential -- but still for me there's no way I'd get rid of Dunn, not before free agency. He's the franchise player; you build your team around him, not the other way around.

[dabvu2498]

Another thing to think about. The Reds wanted to trade Kearns to the Royals for Greinke last season but the Royals said no. Would you do that trade now?
No way!!!

[goreds2]

Since there's a topic now about trading, I'll throw this out. Anybody hear about Buster Olney supposedly saying on ESPN Radio the Reds have a trade brewing that could be bigger than when A-Rod going to the Yankees? Any truth to Olney actually saying it, or it being a valid rumor?

I am not sure if it is true but if it is an A-Rod type deal, it would have to involve Griffey Jr. Could this be why he did not start and ONLY pinch hit on Sunday?
(They did not want to risk him getting hurt before a deal was made.)

[BCubb2003]

the rumor i read was the White Sox trading Anderson & McCarty to the Giants for Jason Schmidt. Then they would need a CF and still have interest in Griffey ( amongst 1-2 others )

- Will

Yes, it's probably this one:

White Sox Pursuing Jason Schmidt?
Of couple of ESPN columnists seem to have independently arrived at the same trade rumor in their blogs in recent days. Buster Olney's source is a "talent evaluator" while Jayson Stark got word from "an executive who has heard this talk."

According to Olney and Stark, the White Sox would trade Brandon McCarthy and Brian Anderson to the Giants for Jason Schmidt. The Sox would then acquire a center fielder in a separate trade.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/07/white_sox_pursu.html

[aodaniel]

Well, the Yankees are in bad need of OF's right now. How about this?

Jr. and Kearns for

Randy Johnson and cash.

Gotta say that if you trade Kearns it should only be for an Arroyo type deal--a good, young pitcher with a manageable contract who could be in the rotation for several years. I could see letting Griff go b/c his and Johnson's contracts and years before retirement are probably about the same.

[Handofdeath]

Yes, it's probably this one:

White Sox Pursuing Jason Schmidt?
Of couple of ESPN columnists seem to have independently arrived at the same trade rumor in their blogs in recent days. Buster Olney's source is a "talent evaluator" while Jayson Stark got word from "an executive who has heard this talk."

According to Olney and Stark, the White Sox would trade Brandon McCarthy and Brian Anderson to the Giants for Jason Schmidt. The Sox would then acquire a center fielder in a separate trade.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/07/white_sox_pursu.html

The Reds could have gotten Freddy Garcia a couple years back for Aaron Boone but Leather Pants was too much of a jerk. Think about that rotation for the Reds.

[registerthis]

I'm not kicking Kearns out the door, but he's the one most likely to be dealt. I think a Freel/Deno combo could offset any loss in offense/defense that kearns leaving would create.

The trade RedLeader mentioned is an interesting one. I'd hope Krivsky would give some long, hard thoughts to that deal if it were presented...

[redsfan30]

It sure would be nice to have all the insiders we had a while back to shed some light on some of this.

[Javy Pornstache]

There is truth to a report airing in Columbus stating a big trade was in the beginning stages or something along those lines if there is any question about that. I didn't hear it myself but a buddy was telling me about it from there.

The two that seem most plausible are something with Florida, more likely for Willis than Cabrera, and something with Chicago White Sox. If they were to do that McCarthy/Anderson for Schmidt trade, they want a CF back and are reported to be offering Garland or Vazquez, maybe Garcia for one. This could make sense for Griffey potentially.

[Caveat Emperor]

how about a package to include Kearns, Edwin, Claussen and Travis Wood and another prospect for Willis , Herges and Cabrera??
i know i know Krusty,, just curious if marlins would bite

As much I'd love this to happen, if Willis is on the block the Fish will field better deals than that for him. No way he and Cabrera go in the same deal.

If Kirvsky wants Willis, he's going to have to part with Bailey, I'd imagine. That's something I'd wager good money that he's not willing to do. If I had to guess, Bailey went from "we'd really like to keep him" to "untouchable" as soon as he started AA.

[OnBaseMachine]

There is truth to a report airing in Columbus stating a big trade was in the beginning stages or something along those lines if there is any question about that. I didn't hear it myself but a buddy was telling me about it from there.


Involving the Reds?

[Falls City Beer]

There is truth to a report airing in Columbus stating a big trade was in the beginning stages or something along those lines if there is any question about that. I didn't hear it myself but a buddy was telling me about it from there.

The two that seem most plausible are something with Florida, more likely for Willis than Cabrera, and something with Chicago White Sox. If they were to do that McCarthy/Anderson for Schmidt trade, they want a CF back and are reported to be offering Garland or Vazquez, maybe Garcia for one. This could make sense for Griffey potentially.

Garcia? Definitely interested. Vazquez? Less so. I think his arm is shot.

[registerthis]

As much I'd love this to happen, if Willis is on the block the Fish will field better deals than that for him.

If Kirvsky wants Willis, he's going to have to part with Bailey, I'd imagine. That's something I'd wager good money that he's not willing to do. If I had to guess, Bailey went from "we'd really like to keep him" to "untouchable" as soon as he started AA.

I don't think any minor league player should be "untouchable", regardless of what they've done. And while bailey's start in AA is encouraging, 17 innings isn't much to hang your hat on.

I'd do Bailey - Willis in a heartbeat. But, like you, I doubt that Krivsky would.

[Falls City Beer]

If I had to guess, Bailey went from "we'd really like to keep him" to "untouchable" as soon as he started AA.

And that's very, very sad.

Because it's highly likely that Homer Bailey's stock will never be higher than it is right now.

[Handofdeath]

I don't think any minor league player should be "untouchable", regardless of what they've done. And while bailey's start in AA is encouraging, 17 innings isn't much to hang your hat on.

I'd do Bailey - Willis in a heartbeat. But, like you, I doubt that Krivsky would.

I'd do it. Bailey might be a succesful pitcher in the bigs. Willis already is.

[Caveat Emperor]

I don't think any minor league player should be "untouchable", regardless of what they've done. And while bailey's start in AA is encouraging, 17 innings isn't much to hang your hat on.

I'd do Bailey - Willis in a heartbeat. But, like you, I doubt that Krivsky would.

I agree completely. I make the deal ten times over. I'm just basing my opinion on a gut feeling that I get from watching the Twins front office moves and the Reds moves thus far.

I think if Krivsky wants to keep Bailey but still wants to make a big splash, the two names to throw out there are Felipe Lopez and Joey Votto. Votto's value has never been higher (might not get much higher as a prospect, actually) and could be really enticing to a smaller market club looking to get younger while Lopez is a relatively inexpensive bat (for this year) with speed that could help the Reds pull in a good haul of prospects and bullpen help from a larger market club.

[goreds2]

I am not sure if it is true but if it is an A-Rod type deal, it would have to involve Griffey Jr. Could this be why he did not start and ONLY pinch hit on Sunday?
(They did not want to risk him getting hurt before a deal was made.)

This is a fun thread but I better get back to work. :eek:

[Johnny Footstool]

Garcia? Definitely interested. Vazquez? Less so. I think his arm is shot.

Garcia isn't much better. Declining strikeout rate, lots of HR allowed. Blech.

Kearns for Jake Westbrook? Westbrook is a groundball specialist, which is a big plus, but he can't strike batters out (4.5 K per 9 IP -- ugly). Nothing really exciting, but serviceable. I'd rather deal Kearns for an advanced prospect with a live arm, but Westbrook would be an OK return who could help the team right now.

Kearns for Westbrook and Guillermo Mota? I think I'd do that deal.

[cincy09]

Votto seems like a logical trade target. High value high ceiling for a smaller market team. We have plenty of guys that could fill in first base in the future (if they would agree to it)

[cincy09]

Kearns for Westbrook and Guillermo Mota? I think I'd do that deal.

Sign me up. This is the kind of trade that solves multiple problems.

[Javy Pornstache]

Involving the Reds?

Yes. Sorry I didn't clarify that earlier. It was about the Reds.

[LoganBuck]

Is replacing Dunn with Cabrera a palatable move?

[alexad]

Let us all remember one thing. Bailey was not drafted by Mr. K. so it might be possible that he would trade him. Danny O's players have been traded at will in most of the recent activities of this club.

[Javy Pornstache]

Garcia? Definitely interested. Vazquez? Less so. I think his arm is shot.

I agree. I would prefer Garcia of the three, and Garland over Vazquez as well. Another buddy of mine I recently talked with who's near Chicago said that there is still interest in Griffey as far as he can tell from a fan's perspective and reading White Sox media and, contingent on the Sox getting Schmidt, they would be likely moving one of their starters besides Buerhle and Contreras to get a CF back. Now it could be a lot of people other than Griffey but Kenny Williams seems to have a real like for Griffey.....and that's great news for Reds fans.

[osuceltic]

Yes. Sorry I didn't clarify that earlier. It was about the Reds.
He probably heard the same thing on the radio that I heard yesterday: Jeff Rimer was guess hosting with Kirk Herbstreit yesterday afternoon. They were talking about Griffey and Rimer asked Herbie if he'd still like the Reds even if they traded Griffey. Rimer said he had a friend "in the know" who said the Reds were close to a huge move that would change the team down there (or some wording to that effect). Of course, Herbie ignored that part of it and said he didn't care, he'd still like the Reds and off they went on a different subject.

This was on 1460 the Fan in Columbus. Rimer is a hockey broadcaster who has done other sports over the years. He's a veteran with a lot of contacts and doesn't throw stuff around without reason.

[Caveat Emperor]

Is replacing Dunn with Cabrera a palatable move?

I'd say it's almost a push -- Cabrera keeps getting better, though. The thought of him hitting in front of Ken Griffey Jr. is almost frightening. Personally, I take Cabrera 10 days out of 10.

Dunn Season/Career:

SPLIT G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BA OBP SLG
Season 88 316 62 75 14 0 28 60 2 .237 .369 .547
Career 749 2587 482 639 141 6 186 434 43 .247 .381 .522

Cabrera Sesason/Career:


SPLIT G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BA OBP SLG
Season 86 311 66 104 25 1 15 61 7 .334 .432 .566
Career 491 1841 312 563 120 7 93 351 13 .306 .378 .530

[Benihana]

That would make sense for the Marlins and Angels, I believe. It'd have to be Edwin going to the Marlins, Dunn going to LAA, and us getting back Cabrera from thh Fish and Santana from the Angels. With maybe a prospect from us and the Angels also going to FLA.

So, three team trade:

Reds trade: Dunn and Edwn. Reds get M. Cabrera and E. Santana
Marlins trade: M. Cabrera. Marlins get E. Encarnacion, prospect from LAA, prospect from CIN.
Angels trade E. Santana. Angels get A. Dunn.

Makes sense. I'd have to seriously consider that trade if I were the Reds. Cabrera and Dunn's contracts would pretty much be the same over the next 5-6 years with Cabrera being a better defender, a RH bat, and a better hitter for AVG. E. Santana would be a great addition to the rotation for this year and would start with Arroyo, Harang, and maybe Bailey in 2007, with us only needing 1 LHSP between Claussen (if healthy) or Milton (if healthy) to serve as the 5th man.

Interesting.

I would do that deal in a SECOND. That would be the best trade the Reds have made since...Joe Morgan?

IMO, Cabrera = Dunn's production, plus he's 3.5 years younger. So essentially, its like trading EdE for Santana. As much as I'd rather trade Kearns than Dunn or EdE, where do I sign up for this deal?

That said, trading Kearns for a pitcher is exactly what I'd be looking to do if I were Kriv. Kudos to him for doing it (hopefully).

[Handofdeath]

In the next few weeks the franchise is going to make some dramatic changes. That's kind of cool and frightening at the same time.

[redsfan30]

Is replacing Dunn with Cabrera a palatable move?
Absolutely.

[LoganBuck]

If I can swap out Dunn and EdE for Cabrera, Santana, and add Denorfia to the lineup I would be very happy.

[acredsfan]

Let us all remember one thing. Bailey was not drafted by Mr. K. so it might be possible that he would trade him. Danny O's players have been traded at will in most of the recent activities of this club.If the other moves where he got rid of players from the previous regime weren't simply because the players didn't fit the team I would possibly agree, but a good GM doesn't trade off a player with the ability and potential Bailey posesses no matter who got them. Homer isn't going anywhere.

[reds44]

He probably heard the same thing on the radio that I heard yesterday: Jeff Rimer was guess hosting with Kirk Herbstreit yesterday afternoon. They were talking about Griffey and Rimer asked Herbie if he'd still like the Reds even if they traded Griffey. Rimer said he had a friend "in the know" who said the Reds were close to a huge move that would change the team down there (or some wording to that effect). Of course, Herbie ignored that part of it and said he didn't care, he'd still like the Reds and off they went on a different subject.

This was on 1460 the Fan in Columbus. Rimer is a hockey broadcaster who has done other sports over the years. He's a veteran with a lot of contacts and doesn't throw stuff around without reason.
Here is the interesting thing about that....

If you remember on Friday night, when we went up 9-0 Griffey was taken out in the 3rd inning inning. Then Sunday he didn't play at all. Maybe a deal is close to going down, so we are trying to make sure he doesn't get hurt.

[Phil in BG]

In the next few weeks the franchise is going to make some dramatic changes. That's kind of cool and frightening at the same time.


Kind of cool and kind of frightening for sure, however, I trust this front office to make the team better. This ownership is all about accountability and results....something we aren't used to seeing.

The only move they've made I don't like is the Jerry Narron extension...I really wanted to see Lou next year.

[Reds Fanatic]

Here is the interesting thing about that....

If you remember on Friday night, when we went up 9-0 Griffey was taken out in the 3rd inning inning. Then Sunday he didn't play at all. Maybe a deal is close to going down, so we are trying to make sure he doesn't get hurt.
Keep in mind Junior has to right to refuse any trade.

[OldXOhio]

The Reds could have gotten Freddy Garcia a couple years back for Aaron Boone but Leather Pants was too much of a jerk. Think about that rotation for the Reds.

IIRC, Garcia's numbers were ballooning at the time the trade for Boone was being proposed, to the point that teams were afraid to touch the guy.

[Joseph]

Keep in mind Junior has to right to refuse any trade.

Exellent point, but do you really think he'd refuse a trade to the Chi-Sox if he has a shot at a ring and can help the Reds too?

[beautox]

There is truth to a report airing in Columbus stating a big trade was in the beginning stages or something along those lines if there is any question about that. I didn't hear it myself but a buddy was telling me about it from there.

The two that seem most plausible are something with Florida, more likely for Willis than Cabrera, and something with Chicago White Sox. If they were to do that McCarthy/Anderson for Schmidt trade, they want a CF back and are reported to be offering Garland or Vazquez, maybe Garcia for one. This could make sense for Griffey potentially.

The White Sox would never do that deal for Schmidt. Anderson and McCarthy have been rumored to be moved the past two trade deadlines and it didn't happen, They're both going nowhere. Anderson is our current and future CF, since July here are his stats hes coming out of a DEEP slump (.333BA .364OBP with a .840OPS.) and McCarthy will have a spot in our Rotation next year(McCarthy led the minors in Ks in 2004, and was leading the IL in Ks in 2005 despite pitching 40-50 innings with Chicago). Kenny Williams has stated numerous times the FO has adopted the braves philosophy of bringing in young talent when its a viable option. BP did an article on Brian Anderson and how elite his glove is here (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5200)
the fact that Olney and Stark wrote that article is laughable as a Sox fan.

The White Sox position of strength is our pitching both and the MLB and MILB level, with the likes of Haeger,Phillips,Broadway,Harrel,Liotta,Tracey,Vazq uez,Garland & Garcia. The Sox at this trade deadline will be looking for only one possibly two things. A 6th man out of the bullpen if Dustin Hermanson can't return to form after his rehad down at AAA, and prospects that will take over LF/Lead Off man role (Chris Denorfia :) ) by trading the likes of Cliff Politte/Augstin Montero/Boone Logan/Tim Redding or the previously mentioned pitching.

The Sox SP thus far out side of Jose, have underachieved for the first half and there is no where to go but up, we have the second best record in all of baseball and are the defending world champs. I like our odds in the post season and the fact that the wild card will be coming out of the central this year.

[vaticanplum]

It's just a hunch, but I'd be surprised if the White Sox did anything with their starting rotation right now. They have an excellent rotation locked up long-term (Buehrle's due for free agency this year I think, but they can afford to keep him) at a pretty good price. There aren't any holes on their team gaping enough to get rid of any of those guys. And if one of them ever starts to fall apart, they have the great luxury of playing around with Brandon McCarthy -- but until then, they have the chance to fully develop him. I would be surprised if they made a major pitching move before the end of the season.

[Red Leader]

Do you guys still have Tim Hummel? That dudes pretty fly.

[GriffeyRocks80]

I just came from the ESPN board, and some dude there's reporting that a three-team trade involving Cincy, Florida, and Baltimore just went down that is sending Kearns to FL, Lopez and Hatteberg to Baltimore, and Tejada and Willis to Cincinnati. There seem to be some pretty big holes in it, though. Most glaringly, there's no source to corroborate the story. Something this big would have leaked by now. Hypothetically speaking, though, would you make this trade if you were Special K?

[edabbs44]

Kearns, though I like his glove/arm in RF more than anyone in the OF, is expendable at this point. But it would have to net a pitcher who is in their early to mid 20s.

[edabbs44]

I just came from the ESPN board, and some dude there's reporting that a three-team trade involving Cincy, Florida, and Baltimore just went down that is sending Kearns to FL, Lopez and Hatteberg to Baltimore, and Tejada and Willis to Cincinnati. There seem to be some pretty big holes in it, though. Most glaringly, there's no source to corroborate the story. Something this big would have leaked by now. Hypothetically speaking, though, would you make this trade if you were Special K?
In a second, but there is NO way this is true.

[vaticanplum]

by trading the likes of Cliff Politte/Augstin Montero/Boone Logan/Tim Redding or the previously mentioned pitching.

I'd take Politte. I'm not too familiar with too many of the rest of them...can anyone do a rundown?

[Red Leader]

I just came from the ESPN board, and some dude there's reporting that a three-team trade involving Cincy, Florida, and Baltimore just went down that is sending Kearns to FL, Lopez and Hatteberg to Baltimore, and Tejada and Willis to Cincinnati. There seem to be some pretty big holes in it, though. Most glaringly, there's no source to corroborate the story. Something this big would have leaked by now. Hypothetically speaking, though, would you make this trade if you were Special K?


That would be HUGE, but I can't see it going down. Especially the day of the All-Star game. No way someone would leak that the day of the AS Game. If any deal is going to be made, it will be made tomorrow.

[CrackerJack]

I just came from the ESPN board, and some dude there's reporting that a three-team trade involving Cincy, Florida, and Baltimore just went down that is sending Kearns to FL, Lopez and Hatteberg to Baltimore, and Tejada and Willis to Cincinnati. There seem to be some pretty big holes in it, though. Most glaringly, there's no source to corroborate the story. Something this big would have leaked by now. Hypothetically speaking, though, would you make this trade if you were Special K?


zzzz....no offense, some kid making something up with too much time on his hands as usual.

Apparently he's also a Reds' fan, because it's one of the most ridiculous scenarios I've ever heard of.

Krivsky seems to be pretty conservative with his player moves thus far.

I am not expecting anything major from him.

BTW Dunn and Homer are the LAST two players this franchise owns that I would think of trading, add Jay Bruce to that also.

I would ditch Kearns and Griffey in a heartbeat.

[GriffeyRocks80]

I don't believe it, either (the ESPN board rumor). For one thing, no prospects were mentioned, only big-namers. Something that big would have to include prospects, especially since FL would only be getting Kearns, while the other teams were getting at least two relatively well-knowns. If Krivsky was able to pull something like that off, he should be signed for life.

I imagine they'll do something, but I don't think it will be that big, or if it is, it will probably involve more than just Kearns.

[Caveat Emperor]

That would be HUGE, but I can't see it going down. Especially the day of the All-Star game. No way someone would leak that the day of the AS Game. If any deal is going to be made, it will be made tomorrow.

Here's the thread, for a good laugh today:

http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/thread?forumID=110&threadID=3953755&lastPostID=25517487

[NJReds]

I just came from the ESPN board, and some dude there's reporting that a three-team trade involving Cincy, Florida, and Baltimore just went down that is sending Kearns to FL, Lopez and Hatteberg to Baltimore, and Tejada and Willis to Cincinnati. There seem to be some pretty big holes in it, though. Most glaringly, there's no source to corroborate the story. Something this big would have leaked by now. Hypothetically speaking, though, would you make this trade if you were Special K?

I saw that too. He also posted it on ESPN's General MLB board and the ESPN Orioles board. Said prospects also involved.

It's so far fetched I didn't think of posting here. Creative...but far fetched.

[reds44]

I just came from the ESPN board, and some dude there's reporting that a three-team trade involving Cincy, Florida, and Baltimore just went down that is sending Kearns to FL, Lopez and Hatteberg to Baltimore, and Tejada and Willis to Cincinnati. There seem to be some pretty big holes in it, though. Most glaringly, there's no source to corroborate the story. Something this big would have leaked by now. Hypothetically speaking, though, would you make this trade if you were Special K?
:laugh: :laugh:

[CTA513]

I just came from the ESPN board, and some dude there's reporting that a three-team trade involving Cincy, Florida, and Baltimore just went down that is sending Kearns to FL, Lopez and Hatteberg to Baltimore, and Tejada and Willis to Cincinnati. There seem to be some pretty big holes in it, though. Most glaringly, there's no source to corroborate the story. Something this big would have leaked by now. Hypothetically speaking, though, would you make this trade if you were Special K?

If that was an actual trade, then yeah I would make it.
But it sounds like its just a made up rumor.

[reds44]

Here's the thread, for a good laugh today:

http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/thread?forumID=110&threadID=3953755&lastPostID=25517487
Somebody else said ESPN radio is reporting it.

*puts on espn radio*

[zombie-a-go-go]

I just came from the ESPN board, and some dude there's reporting that a three-team trade involving Cincy, Florida, and Baltimore just went down that is sending Kearns to FL, Lopez and Hatteberg to Baltimore, and Tejada and Willis to Cincinnati. There seem to be some pretty big holes in it, though. Most glaringly, there's no source to corroborate the story. Something this big would have leaked by now. Hypothetically speaking, though, would you make this trade if you were Special K?

Oh, man, there's no way that's true (unless the Kriv got FLA and BAL's GMs absolutely hammered last night and took photos of them cavorting with strippers, or something).

[Reds Fanatic]

Most people on the ESPN boards are about as reliable as the Reds.com boards. I wouldn't believe anything you read there.

[Gainesville Red]

That is unbelievably ridiculous. Why not just throw in A-Rod, and Santana while you're at it. Ah what the hell? Let's throw in Liriano while we're at it.

[zombie-a-go-go]

That is unbelievably ridiculous. Why not just throw in A-Rod, and Santana while you're at it. Ah what the hell? Let's throw in Liriano while we're at it.

You add Liriano to the deal, and I'd make it. :cool:

[Gainesville Red]

Somebody else said ESPN radio is reporting it.

*puts on espn radio*


I've been listening to ESPN Radio since about 2. No mention of the Reds.

[NJReds]

Hatteberg was listed as part of the deal. They must be doing it to clear a spot so that Aurila can be the full time 1st Baseman. ;)

[Razor Shines]

I bet it's someone from this board having a good time.

[Caveat Emperor]

I've been listening to ESPN Radio since about 2. No mention of the Reds.

Well, never let facts get in the way of a good story. ;)

[REDREAD]

If Kirvsky wants Willis, he's going to have to part with Bailey, I'd imagine. That's something I'd wager good money that he's not willing to do. If I had to guess, Bailey went from "we'd really like to keep him" to "untouchable" as soon as he started AA.

I really doubt it. Wayne is under orders to improve the team immediately. All his moves have been to win now. I bet he'd trade Homer for an ace pitcher without even thinking twice.

The farm system is so bare that it's going to take several years of drafting to stock it up anyhow. If Cast is willing to pay for Willis or another ace pitcher now, the Reds will make the move it if only costs Homer and some spare parts.

[redsfan30]

Things sure are interesting, if nothing else.

[shredda2000]

Hatteberg was listed as part of the deal. They must be doing it to clear a spot so that Aurila can be the full time 1st Baseman. ;)

Maybe they are bringing back Casey ;)

[cincy09]

Well, never let facts get in the way of a good story. ;)

one of my favorite sayings

[REDREAD]

I just came from the ESPN board, and some dude there's reporting that a three-team trade involving Cincy, Florida, and Baltimore just went down that is sending Kearns to FL, Lopez and Hatteberg to Baltimore, and Tejada and Willis to Cincinnati. There seem to be some pretty big holes in it, though. Most glaringly, there's no source to corroborate the story. Something this big would have leaked by now. Hypothetically speaking, though, would you make this trade if you were Special K?

Heck yes, I would do it. Although I doubt it happens.

[Doc. Scott]

I'm fairly certain Krivsky would do Kearns for Westbrook and Mota, but I think that deal has an even higher chance of making the Reds look foolish in the future than Arroyo for Pena.

I'm not sure that I would do it. I'd give the bullpen without White and Hammond and with Guardado and Standridge two more weeks to stabilize before I went grabbing for Guillermo Mota, who is in the same category as Eddie (formerly dominant, overpaid) with even worse stats in 2006.

[dunner13]

In the three way trade theres no way the marlins give up willis and only get kearns back. I think something like marlins get kearns, bailey and bedard from O's , O's get lopez, hatteberg and larue and reds get tejada and willis. Not sure if even that would work but i think its a little closer to reality.

[Tommyjohn25]

Well, at least it's kind of nice that we are talking about a front office that is "potentially" being very proactive in trading to win now.

[Caveat Emperor]

Well, at least it's kind of nice that we are talking about a front office that is "potentially" being very proactive in trading to win now.

It's All Star day, and every baseball fan in America is bored out of their minds. Idle hands and PlayStation GM thinking breeds stupidity. ;)

At the risk of sounding like FCB (much love, bro), Dontrelle Willis has about as much of a chance of becoming a Red as I do...

...and I top out at 77 on the gun.

[Handofdeath]

I checked and the kid who posted the rumor hasn't posted on the board in a few months so take that for what it's worth. The other guy who is saying that the trade is being made is a regular on the board and evidentally doesn't post crap like that on a regular basis.

[Red Leader]

It's All Star day, and every baseball fan in America is bored out of their minds. Idle hands and PlayStation GM thinking breeds stupidity. ;)

At the risk of sounding like FCB (much love, bro), Dontrelle Willis has about as much of a chance of becoming a Red as I do...

...and I top out at 77 on the gun.


Dude, you've got Joe Mays beat. You should try out.

[CrackerJack]

Huh, so I'm bored at work looking at those threads - and some other joker says he talked to Tracy Jones at WLW and confirmed "a big trade" to be announced tomorrow.

They said mention of it was made on ESPN Radio 100 around 1:50 pm or so today.

It all centers around Willis to Cincy - I still can't even get myself to believe it just for kicks, or a scenario where that would actually happen, ecspecially since it's a regurgitated rumor from earlier this year that was complete hogwash.

[registerthis]

Huh, so I'm bored at work looking at those threads - and some other joker says he talked to Tracy Jones at WLW and confirmed "a big trade" to be announced tomorrow.

Well, if it's on the Internet it MUST be true. :p:

[Razor Shines]

Huh, so I'm bored at work looking at those threads - and some other joker says he talked to Tracy Jones at WLW and confirmed "a big trade" to be announced tomorrow.

They said mention of it was made on ESPN Radio 100 around 1:50 pm or so today.

It all centers around Willis to Cincy - I still can't even get myself to believe it just for kicks, or a scenario where that would actually happen, ecspecially since it's a regurgitated rumor from earlier this year that was complete hogwash.
What joker? I'm bored too.

[Tommyjohn25]

Man if it's true, imagine the buzz at the old ballyard. But that's the kool-aid drinking optimist in me talking.

[flyer85]

If Kearns get dealt I think you need to look to Wayne's old stomping grounds for the trade partner.

[Red Leader]

I guess there could be some truth to talks being out there. We know that the Reds are willing to part with Kearns, and we know that Edwin hasn't gotten the starts he should this past week, so maybe he's available. I could see Florida being interested in both of those guys.

[cincy09]

What joker? I'm bored too.
exactly what i was thinking

[Tommyjohn25]

If Kearns get dealt I think you need to look to Wayne's old stomping grounds for the trade partner.


Wellllll, okay....I GUESS I'd take Liriano instead of Willis. ;) :mooner:

[redsfan30]

Just for fun...

Willis
Harang
Arroyo
Ramirez
Milton

Get some more bullpen help closer to the deadline...

As weak as the NL is this year, I'd take my chances with that.

[flyer85]

Wellllll, okay....I GUESS I'd take Liriano instead of Willis. ;) :mooner:I would likely involve Baker

[KronoRed]

I wouldn't trust the ESPN boards to report the sky color.

Interesting though

[Puffy]

I would likely involve Baker

I'm not a big fan of Narron, but no way do I trade anyone to get Dusty Baker over here to manage!!

:evil:

[kbrake]

Just got home from work and find all this stuff. Dont we have any people left on the inside? :help:

[Caveat Emperor]

Just got home from work and find all this stuff. Dont we have any people left on the inside? :help:

Nobody that would be stupid enough to risk their jobs by reporting something like this on a public forum, I'd imagine.

And, if any of the media types who the 'Z really knew, they'd be rushing to a microphone or a computer to get the scoop.

[KronoRed]

I'm not a big fan of Narron, but no way do I trade anyone to get Dusty Baker over here to manage!!

:evil:
Maybe that's why Narron ran Harang out for 135 pitches, getting them ready for the Baker treatment ;)

[CrackerJack]

exactly what i was thinking

Oh it was just some ESPN poster - take it for what it's worth. :) (nothing)

But CNNSI did bring up the fact the Reds are dangling Kearns, possibly for Westbrook again...so you wonder what's going on with Kearns in general right now.

[registerthis]

Maybe that's why Narron ran Harang out for 135 pitches, getting them ready for the Baker treatment ;)

Difference was, Dusty had a bullpen.

[Buckeye33]

Would people want more than just Willis for EE and Kearns?

As much as I can't see the Marlins trading both Willis and Cabrera, I could see the Reds making an offer that would be hard to beat for those two.

I will say that I do not believe this will ever happen. I have been saying it as long as these Marlins/Reds rumors have been on this board.

BUT, if Bob is willing to pay the jack I could see the Marlins excepting a deal like:

Kearns, Edwin, Bailey, low level/high ceiling prospect

for

Willis and Cabrera

What other team could offer 2 young ML position players and a #1 pitching prospect like Bailey?

Just dreaming...but it's fun.

1. Lopez SS
2. Dunn LF
3. Griffey CF
4. Cabrera 3B
5. Hatteberg/Aurilia 1B
6. Phillips 2B
7. Denorfia RF
8. Ross/LaRue C

1. Willis
2. Harang
3. Arroyo
4. Ramirez
5. Milton

Mmmmm.... replace Milton and find 2 more bullpen arms and the Central would be ours.

[vaticanplum]

I have yet to hear any remotely valid reason why the Marlins would give up Dontrelle Willis for anything, anything at this point.

[KronoRed]

Kearns for Westbrook?

Still no no no.

[Buckeye33]

I have yet to hear any remotely valid reason why the Marlins would give up Dontrelle Willis for anything, anything at this point.

Because the Marlins ownership does not want to pay him 10+ million/year that he is going to want. As well, his value is as high as it will ever be right now. He is THE starter who teams believe could be traded this season.

[Handofdeath]

I've been checking the team boards on MLB.com and the local televison websites in Baltimore and Miami and have heard nothing else. Let's play devil's advocate for a moment. The deal could have been done. Forget the prospects that might be involved. Willis is going to be traded regardless. So the Marlins get a good and cheap OF in the trade. Tejeda and the Orioles aren't getting along so they trade him and get a good SS and a 1B which they really need. The NL is as weak as it has ever been and will probably ever be. The Reds are still very much in it so I could see them making a run this year.

[Red Leader]

Because the Marlins ownership does not want to pay him 10+ million/year that he is going to want. As well, his value is as high as it will ever be right now. He is THE starter who teams believe could be traded this season.

That's probably true today moreso than ever as Barry Zito has changed agents and now is a Scott Boras client. That move alone probably raised Willis' stock a little.

[Gainesville Red]

No trade clauses involved?

(Not that I believe a word of this rumor)

[redsfan30]

Man it would be nice to still have Big Donkey, Ryan the Reds fan or cincyredsfan30 around still.

[BuckU]

Wow, after reading all this I'm going to be kinda dissapointed if it's not true...

[RedsMan3203]

Man, that was a fun thread to read....

I really like the deal with LAA, FLA, and Reds....

Santana, Willis ECT.

[Buckeye33]

I've been checking the team boards on MLB.com and the local televison websites in Baltimore and Miami and have heard nothing else. Let's play devil's advocate for a moment. The deal could have been done. Forget the prospects that might be involved. Willis is going to be traded regardless. So the Marlins get a good and cheap OF in the trade. Tejeda and the Orioles aren't getting along so they trade him and get a good SS and a 1B which they really need. The NL is as weak as it has ever been and will probably ever be. The Reds are still very much in it so I could see them making a run this year.

Getting Tejada is much more far fetched than getting Willis or Cabrera IMO. The ESPN board rumor is as laughable a rumor as I have heard in a couple years. Tejada AND Willis coming to the Reds for Lopez and Kearns and maybe a couple prospects? Just not feasible.

[Razor Shines]

Well I did a search of Cincinnati Reds trade rumors, and among the possible trades that showed up on the front page were that the Reds may trade Sean Casey and another said that it's possible Dan O'Brien might move Kearns or Willy Mo. I hope we get something good for Casey if he goes.

[BuckU]

Getting Tejada is much more far fetched than getting Willis or Cabrera IMO. The ESPN board rumor is as laughable a rumor as I have heard in a couple years. Tejada AND Willis coming to the Reds for Lopez and Kearns and maybe a couple prospects? Just not feasible.

Stop it! You're ruining it!
;)

[kbrake]

We trade Dunn for Ervin Santana and I will slit my throat.

[CrackerJack]

So some ESPN posters (literally 2) say they heard this on ESPN Radio 1000 Chicago today. Bailey's name was mentioned as well.

I can't imagine only 1 or 2 people heard of this after 2+ hours, so I officially need to move on for the day and get some work done before I hit the Flinstone clock.

[Blue]

Confession:

This is a really fun thread. I feel like a little kid.

[Handofdeath]

Getting Tejada is much more far fetched than getting Willis or Cabrera IMO. The ESPN board rumor is as laughable a rumor as I have heard in a couple years. Tejada AND Willis coming to the Reds for Lopez and Kearns and maybe a couple prospects? Just not feasible.

Buzz killer.;)

[Reds4Life]

Wow, after reading all this I'm going to be kinda dissapointed if it's not true...

Start preparing yourself to be bitterly disappointed.

I can't believe some people are falling for this.

[Razor Shines]

Getting Tejada is much more far fetched than getting Willis or Cabrera IMO. The ESPN board rumor is as laughable a rumor as I have heard in a couple years. Tejada AND Willis coming to the Reds for Lopez and Kearns and maybe a couple prospects? Just not feasible.
Yeah and some loser on there is saying that he spoke with Tracey Jones and confirmed it, what a jerk.

[Buckeye33]

Stop it! You're ruining it!
;)

I may be ruining the Tejada rumor, but I somehow find myself dreaming of the Willis/Cabrera for Kearns/EE/Bailey/prospect rumor.

I would instantly buy season tickets next season if a deal like that happened. And trust me, I can't afford season tickets.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

I have to stop reading this, I'm getting my hopes up too much, lol.

[MartyFan]

Yeah and some loser on there is saying that he spoke with Tracey Jones and confirmed it, what a jerk.

That wasn't you?

[BuckU]

Start preparing yourself to be bitterly disappointed.

I can't believe some people are falling for this.

You gotta admit...it's kinda fun.

Nothing like a juicy trade rumor to spice up a boring All-Star break.

...good times

[redsfan30]

While this seems about as far fetched as it can get....it does seem that something will go down before the team takes the field again Thursday night.

Most all the beat writers mentioned that being a possibility and there sure are a bunch of rumors floating around.

[registerthis]

I can't believe some people are falling for this.

So what if they are? It's the ASB, the team's been tanking recently, if some people want to dream...

[RedsMan3203]

Okay - I'm putting this thread on auto refresh...

[Razor Shines]

That wasn't you?
Of course it was.

[MartyFan]

Of course it was.

I know...just kidding around. :D

[Handofdeath]

Start preparing yourself to be bitterly disappointed.

I can't believe some people are falling for this.

I just started a post that Kearns was on the block and suddenly it's Christmas in July. :D

[reds44]

While this seems about as far fetched as it can get....it does seem that something will go down before the team takes the field again Thursday night.

Most all the beat writers mentioned that being a possibility and there sure are a bunch of rumors floating around.
Yep this I agree with. It seems as if something will go down. What? I don't know.

[MartyFan]

Reminds me of when Junior came to the Reds...boards were blazing then.

[KronoRed]

Reminds me of when Junior came to the Reds...boards were blazing then.
And John Allen was saying nothing was happening

If he makes a comment then I know we're making a deal ;)

[Roy Tucker]

I'd like these rumors to be true. It sounds very cool and exciting. But I am also a realist.

Internet rumors are interesting. They start as a spontaneous generation thing and erupt out of nowhere. Then somehow, they get self-referential without knowing its the same rumor being reported in several places.

But then again, every year, a frog appears in my little pond and for the life of me, I can't figure out where he comes from. Maybe we really have a frog here.

[KronoRed]

Funny...in my OOTP sim Kearns just got hurt for 9 week

;)

[BuckU]

Lets pretend this is true...

It does make sense that we wouldn't know about it until tomorrow so the ASG isn't overshadowed.

I'm pulling an all-nighter on this thread, who's with me?
:thumbup:

[Reds4Life]

So what if they are? It's the ASB, the team's been tanking recently, if some people want to dream...

If they want to dream perhaps they should try dreaming of something that actually has a chance to happen.

This doesn't.

[HotCorner]

Well this would be "A-Rod to Yankees big" like Buster Olney reportedly stated could happen.

[reds44]

Well this would be "A-Rod to Yankees big" like Buster Olney reportedly stated could happen.
Did he really say that, or is that just another unconfirmed internet rumor?

[Blue]

Reminds me of when Junior came to the Reds...boards were blazing then.

I hope it still remind you of that by July 31st, you know, that trade rumor being true and all.

[Tommyjohn25]

I think something really is going to happen tomorrow, I don't think it'll be the Cabs/Willis deal either, at least not the way it was "reported", but something. Who knows, just maybe we'll all be looking at a new impact player on the Reds by this time tomorrow.

[Blue]

Did he really say that, or is that just another unconfirmed internet rumor?

That's the $48 billion question!

[zombie-a-go-go]

If they want to dream perhaps they should try dreaming of something that actually has a chance to happen.

This doesn't.

Something that actually has a chance to happen? Fine. I'll forget this and go back to my Rachael Leigh Cook daydream.

Killjoy. :angry:

[Caveat Emperor]

If they want to dream perhaps they should try dreaming of something that actually has a chance to happen.

In that case, Allow me to be the first to start the "Reds sign Brian Reith to a minor league contract" rumor.

[Handofdeath]

Whats funny about the ESPN thread is that on the Reds and Orioles ESPN boards there are about 20-30 posts about it. On the Marlins board there are exactly three.:laugh:

[Marty and Joe]

And John Allen was saying nothing was happening

If he makes a comment then I know we're making a deal ;)

:laugh: If John Allen makes a comment about trades - then we've entered the Twilight Zone...and that's not somewhere that any of us want to go!

This has been the most fun I've had reading a thread in a long time.

[HotCorner]

Where's Ramp?

[KronoRed]

In that case, Allow me to be the first to start the "Reds sign Brian Reith to a minor league contract" rumor.
Nah..he never played for the twins

[KronoRed]

Where's Ramp?
Laughing till it hurts

[Reds4Life]

In that case, Allow me to be the first to start the "Reds sign Brian Reith to a minor league contract" rumor.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lemme call TC to confirm this.

;)

[redsupport]

brian reith was declared a pheenom by many members of this board, the pheenom status was slightly belied by his 0-7 record, though

[edabbs44]

I would likely involve Baker
I wouldn't mind Baker at all...but would want another piece with him. Maybe a Crain type.

[KronoRed]

brian reith was declared a pheenom by many members of this board, the pheenom status was slightly belied by his 0-7 record, though
Being tossed from AA into the majors can do that ;)

[reds44]

89 people viewing a thread on an unconfirmed internet rumor?

Thursday really needs to get here, so we have something else to talk about.

[MartyFan]

89 people viewing a thread on an unconfirmed internet rumor?

Thursday really needs to get here, so we have something else to talk about.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[NJReds]

89 people viewing a thread on an unconfirmed internet rumor?

Thursday really needs to get here, so we have something else to talk about.


Let's talk about Dunn and Strikeouts...just like the good 'ol days. :evil:

[Red Leader]

89 people viewing a thread on an unconfirmed internet rumor?

Thursday really needs to get here, so we have something else to talk about.


It's a good read..... :dunno: :laugh:

[johngalt]

One thing to keep in mind is that Lancaster, McCoy, Fay and almost all the regulars who cover the Reds are on vacation right now, so it's possible that something big could be brewing without much of it getting leaked in Reds country. Even Marty's taking time off.

[Roy Tucker]

If they want to dream perhaps they should try dreaming of something that actually has a chance to happen.

This doesn't.
Oh c'mon Reds4Life, be a sport. It's like buying a lottery ticket. You know you don't really have a chance, but you exchange your $1 for that pico-second of when you check the winning numbers and think "just maybe...".

[Red Leader]

i'm telling you what. I would be the last person, well maybe not the last, but one of the last people to tell you I'd be in favor of trading Adam Dunn and Edwin Encarnacion (much less in the same deal), but if those two would net us Ervin Santana and Miguel Cabrera, I think I'd do it.

[Reds4Life]

Oh c'mon Reds4Life, be a sport. It's like buying a lottery ticket. You know you don't really have a chance, but you exchange your $1 for that pico-second of when you check the winning numbers and think "just maybe...".

Sorry, it's on the mod application, I have to be an evil killjoy at all times.

[KronoRed]

89 people viewing a thread on an unconfirmed internet rumor?

Thursday really needs to get here, so we have something else to talk about.
I think we all need to get lives :evil: :help:

[beautox]

I have yet to hear any remotely valid reason why the Marlins would give up Dontrelle Willis for anything, anything at this point.

I agree, the Marlins are stacked in pitching, the last thing they need is more pitching. What the marlins need is a blue chip prospect at CF and C, and maybe not even catcher, they've got Miguel Olivo whos only 27, has a cannon for an arm, and is having a break out year at the plate, and lastly is realitvly cheap.
Willis and Miggy are the face of that franchise now, and if they expect to land a new stadium anywhere they'll need both. This year the marlins will most likely not be reaching the post season via the wild card, but next year they will be in the hunt, and for every year after.

'07 Marlins rotation
Willis
Olsen
Nolasco
Johnson
Sanchez

their bullpen is just as set, Tankersly is their future closer.

and all their posisiton players are settled aside from CF
1B - Mike Jacobs
2B - RuleV pick up Dan Uggla
3B - Miggy
SS - Hanley Ramierz
LF - Josh Willingham
CF - ???
RF - Jeremy Hermida
C - Miguel Olivo

i could see the marlins moving Borowski/Moheler/Herges/Mitre to the reds for Denorfia.

[Razor Shines]

So some ESPN posters (literally 2) say they heard this on ESPN Radio 1000 Chicago today. Bailey's name was mentioned as well.

I can't imagine only 1 or 2 people heard of this after 2+ hours, so I officially need to move on for the day and get some work done before I hit the Flinstone clock.
Isn't that Chicago station famous for reporting trades that don't happen? I can't think of any specifics but I think that it's happened a few times before. But I could be very wrong.

[Red Leader]

Isn't that Chicago station famous for reporting trades that don't happen? I can't think of any specifics but I think that it's happened a few times before. But I could be very wrong.

I believe that's the station that all of the Griffey to ChiSox trade rumors came out of last year....

[Roy Tucker]

i could see the marlins moving Borowski/Moheler/Herges/Mitre to the reds for Denorfia.
Maybe they'll do a Moehler for Noochie Varner redux.

[Handofdeath]

Think about this lineup...

1. Freel CF-I still believe Jr is going to the White Sox
2. Phillips 2B
3. Tejeda SS
4. Dunn LF
5. Encarnacion 3B
6. Aurilia 1B
7. Denorfia RF
8. Ross C

1. Willis
2. Arroyo
3. Harang
4. Ramirez
5. White Sox pitcher for Griffey

I'll take my chances with this lineup.

[reds44]

Isn't that Chicago station famous for reporting trades that don't happen? I can't think of any specifics but I think that it's happened a few times before. But I could be very wrong.
That is 670 the Score in Chicago. Most of the time it was done by Mike North. Like the one time he said the Sox traded konerko to the Reds for Junior. He also made up some story about the Illini basketball team being sick on the day of the Final 4. Ovbiously both were false.

[REDSEER]

I normally read this board, but also the ESPN board.......yes, there are the occassional trolls that report stupid trades (such as this one), but they don't usually stay and defend themselves like this one has.....there seems to be something different about this poster....

Plus with the report of Buster Olney reporting the "big trade" it makes us all that much more excited. It's been so long since the Reds have been successful and we are all ready to see a winner on the field. At this point, I don't know what to think, because half of me believes that this trade could go through if we send Bailey to the Fish, but the other half of me thinks that there is no way that Baltimore does this trade......

It's going to be a fun night.......

[Petitt33]

This may sound stupid- but what exactly is the rumor(s)? :confused:

I know its probably about Kearns, but who are the teams interested in him?

[Blue]

Think about this lineup...

1. Freel CF-I still believe Jr is going to the White Sox
2. Phillips 2B
3. Tejeda SS
4. Dunn LF
5. Encarnacion 3B
6. Aurilia 1B
7. Denorfia RF
8. Ross C

1. Willis
2. Arroyo
3. Harang
4. Ramirez
5. White Sox pitcher for Griffey

I'll take my chances with this lineup.

methinks you'll have to take your chances with something that more closely resembles our current lineup... but I'll dream with you until all hope is lost.

[Gainesville Red]

When/Where did Olney say this?

And when did we start listening to what Olney has to say?

[Falls City Beer]

This may sound stupid- but what exactly is the rumor? :confused:

I know its probably about Kearns, but who are the teams interested in him?

I don't know, either: Kearns, Bailey--something else for Willis?

I can tell you where it will all end up: Denorfia and Bruce for Bob Wickman. :devil:

[Blue]

This may sound stupid- but what exactly is the rumor(s)? :confused:

I know its probably about Kearns, but who are the teams interested in him?

The thread was started with an article that said the Reds were shopping Kearns. The author of that article suggested that the Reds try to rekindle talks with the Indians about Jake Westbrook.

This stuff all started a little later...

[Reds Fanatic]

This may sound stupid- but what exactly is the rumor(s)? :confused:

I know its probably about Kearns, but who are the teams interested in him?
The rumor though I don't believe it at all is Kearns to FLA, Lopez and Hatteberg to BAL, Willis and Tejada to CIN. There are also prospects including Homer Bailey mentioned in the rumor.

[REDSEER]

This may sound stupid- but what exactly is the rumor(s)? :confused:

I know its probably about Kearns, but who are the teams interested in him?
The big one floating around is:
Reds receive: Willis/ Tejada
O's receive: F.Lopez, Hatteberg
Marlins receive: Kearns+ A type prospects

Doesn't make sense for the O's to me........

[Caveat Emperor]

I don't know, either: Kearns, Bailey--something else for Willis?

I can tell you where it will all end up: Denorfia and Bruce for Bob Wickman. :devil:

I was thinking more along the lines of Justin Germano and Paul Janish for Scott Schoeneweis.

That'd be a fitting end to all this speculation.

[Falls City Beer]

The big one floating around is:
Reds receive: Willis/ Tejada
O's receive: F.Lopez, Hatteberg
Marlins receive: Kearns+ A type prospects

Doesn't make sense for the O's to me........

I've already bet a kid.

I'll bet my LIFE that that trade doesn't go down.

[membengal]

At some point early in the thread, two seperate rumors were thrown out:

Rumor one had the Reds ending up with Miggy Tejada and Dontrelle Willis

Rumor two had the Reds ending up wth Miggy Carera and Dontrelle Willis (I think)

To call each far-fetched, unsubstantiated, and based in nothing more than internet ether would be correct. On the other hand, Buster Olney cleared his throat and ESPN 1000 in Chicago thinks something big is going down.

I think that is where this thread stands.

[Petitt33]

Ah, thanks for the info, fellas. :thumbup:

[REDSEER]

No problem....I've had nothing to do but follow this all day.......

The only way I see this happening is is we send Bailey to FLA and Bruce/Votto to the Orioles......I'm still not sure the O's would accept that trade....

[dunner13]

If and its a big if but if there is truth to buster oleny reporting that a big trade is happening involving the reds, any chance that maybe it has to do with soriano. Nationals are trying desperatly to move him and jim bowden always goes for big crazy trades.................... I really just thought this thread was slowing down and wanted to see if i could stir it up some more.

[RichRed]

Whats funny about the ESPN thread is that on the Reds and Orioles ESPN boards there are about 20-30 posts about it. On the Marlins board there are exactly three.:laugh:

All 3 of the Marlins fans posted? Must be something to it then. ;)

[ochre]

I bet it's someone from this board having a good time.
nah, we all prefer to wallow in our collective misery.

:)

[Blue]

I've already bet a kid.

I'll bet my LIFE that that trade doesn't go down.

You bet a kid? That is so wrong. There is a better chance of us all waking up with our heads sewn to the carpet than this turning out to be true...

still holding out hope... :help:

[Heath]

Would you like to ride in my beautiful balloon
Would you like to ride in my beautiful balloon
We could float among the stars together, you and I
For we can fly we can fly
Up, up and away
My beautiful, my beautiful balloon
The world's a nicer place in my beautiful balloon
It wears a nicer face in my beautiful balloon
We can sing a song and sail along the silver sky
For we can fly we can fly
Up, up and away
My beautiful, my beautiful balloon
Suspended under a twilight canopy
We'll search the clouds for a star to guide us
If by some chance you find yourself loving me
We'll find a cloud to hide us
We'll keep the moon beside us
Love is waiting there in my beautiful balloon
Way up in the air in my beautiful balloon
If you'll hold my hand we'll chase your dream across the sky
For we can fly we can fly
Up, up and away
My beautiful, my beautiful balloon
Balloon...
Up, up, and away.....


It just seemed appropriate right now with all the drugs inhaled on this thread any way :D

[Falls City Beer]

You bet a kid? That is so wrong. There is a better chance of us all waking up with our heads sewn to the carpet than this turning out to be true...

still holding out hope... :help:

Thing is, I'd practically GIVE my life to get Miggy and Willis.

[cumberlandreds]

That would make sense for the Marlins and Angels, I believe. It'd have to be Edwin going to the Marlins, Dunn going to LAA, and us getting back Cabrera from thh Fish and Santana from the Angels. With maybe a prospect from us and the Angels also going to FLA.

So, three team trade:

Reds trade: Dunn and Edwn. Reds get M. Cabrera and E. Santana
Marlins trade: M. Cabrera. Marlins get E. Encarnacion, prospect from LAA, prospect from CIN.
Angels trade E. Santana. Angels get A. Dunn.

Makes sense. I'd have to seriously consider that trade if I were the Reds. Cabrera and Dunn's contracts would pretty much be the same over the next 5-6 years with Cabrera being a better defender, a RH bat, and a better hitter for AVG. E. Santana would be a great addition to the rotation for this year and would start with Arroyo, Harang, and maybe Bailey in 2007, with us only needing 1 LHSP between Claussen (if healthy) or Milton (if healthy) to serve as the 5th man.

Interesting.

I would do this deal in a heartbeat. But I don't think the Angels would do it without Bailey being included.

[Tommyjohn25]

All 3 of the Marlins fans posted? Must be something to it then. ;)

BaaaaZiiinnnggg!!! ;)

[beautox]

Think about this lineup...

1. Freel CF-I still believe Jr is going to the White Sox
2. Phillips 2B
3. Tejeda SS
4. Dunn LF
5. Encarnacion 3B
6. Aurilia 1B
7. Denorfia RF
8. Ross C

1. Willis
2. Arroyo
3. Harang
4. Ramirez
5. White Sox pitcher for Griffey

I'll take my chances with this lineup.

Maybe that would've been the case last year provided your ownership hadn't nixed the deal on the last hour. But this year for the White Sox the last thing we need is more offense i'm pretty sure the sox lead the bigs in both runs, hr and avg, last year we needed a left handed power hitter(griffey) and would've been willing to take on his contract, but now his contract is an albatross around his neck and hes a constant DL worry and we've got Jim Freakin Thome! :)

Like I said Anderson and McCarthy are the future for the sox and won't be going anywhere. We have depth with our Pitching, and Garland(no trade this year, but might be moved during the off season), Garcia(1 more year left on his contract) or Vazquez(locked up till '09 and the best 4/5th starter in bigs, but has so much more potential and electric "stuff") will be moved to open a spot for McCarthy next year. The only thing the sox need this year is a 6th man out of the pen, and we might not even need it if Hermanson can come back and just give us a career avg year from him(4.21ERA & 1.36WHIP). We Also have Tracey waiting in the wings if Hermanson can't come back and Politte continues to strugle. All Though there has been mention of politte being traded for prospects. In his last outing he looked real good(he featured a change up i'd never seen from him and it was above average) and during his rehab start in AAA alot of clubs including the reds were there to witness it, hes healty but he might have lost confidence.

[Blue]

Why you gotta be like that Beautox? Our last World Series is further in the past than yours. Your team is really good in a really good division, ours is average at best in a terrible division...

Why can't you just let us be? Next thing you know you'll be telling us how far fetched other rumors on this thread are!

[KronoRed]

Thing is, I'd practically GIVE my life to get Miggy and Willis.
What won't you trade for this team FCB? ;)

[reds44]

If Anderson is the future for the Sox then you guys are in trouble.

[Handofdeath]

Would you like to ride in my beautiful balloon
Would you like to ride in my beautiful balloon
We could float among the stars together, you and I
For we can fly we can fly
Up, up and away
My beautiful, my beautiful balloon
The world's a nicer place in my beautiful balloon
It wears a nicer face in my beautiful balloon
We can sing a song and sail along the silver sky
For we can fly we can fly
Up, up and away
My beautiful, my beautiful balloon
Suspended under a twilight canopy
We'll search the clouds for a star to guide us
If by some chance you find yourself loving me
We'll find a cloud to hide us
We'll keep the moon beside us
Love is waiting there in my beautiful balloon
Way up in the air in my beautiful balloon
If you'll hold my hand we'll chase your dream across the sky
For we can fly we can fly
Up, up and away
My beautiful, my beautiful balloon
Balloon...
Up, up, and away.....


It just seemed appropriate right now with all the drugs inhaled on this thread any way :D

Absolutely

[Falls City Beer]

What won't you trade for this team FCB? ;)

When the Reds lose, a little part of my soul dies....

[KronoRed]

If Anderson is the future for the Sox then you guys are in trouble.
They don't need JR

[Blue]

Thing is, I'd practically GIVE my life to get Miggy and Willis.

I'm actually a little concerned that we could potentially give up too much to get Willis. He's giving up more hits than innings pitched, and is striking out fewer than at any point in is career. His K/BB ratio is below 2.

However, most of this is due to some bad outing in May.

Still, I wouldn't complain. Especially if we got Miggy...

still hoping...

[reds44]

They don't need JR
I never said they did, but Anderson can't hit at all.

[Heath]

When the Reds lose, a little part of my soul dies....

Not all of you, maybe an organ or something.

[vaticanplum]

Think about this lineup...

1. Freel CF-I still believe Jr is going to the White Sox
2. Phillips 2B
3. Tejeda SS
4. Dunn LF
5. Encarnacion 3B
6. Aurilia 1B
7. Denorfia RF
8. Ross C

Of all the rumors and theories being bandied about on this thread, this has to be the most far-fetched.

You have Aurilia batting out of the cleanup spot.

[westofyou]

Kearns for Christy Mathewson.. you heard it here first.

[RedsMan3203]

Kearns for Christy Mathewson.. you heard it here first.

Who?

[RedLegSuperStar]

I'm actually a little concerned that we could potentially give up too much to get Willis. He's giving up more hits than innings pitched, and is striking out fewer than at any point in is career. His K/BB ratio is below 2.

However, most of this is due to some bad outing in May.

Still, I wouldn't complain. Especially if we got Miggy...

still hoping...

Well also you have to remember he doesn't have the team he had last year. They are playing with a payroll under 20 Mil and he makes 4.5 mil of it. He is a definate ACE on any staff except Minnesota's right now.

[reds44]

Kearns for Scott Olsen?

[Puffy]

Kearns for Christy Mathewson.. you heard it here first.

No way - Kearns isn't worth nearly as much as Mathewson. Maybe Russ Ford or Addie Joss, but not Mathewson. How about Kearns for Al Maul?

[Jpup]

this is the silliest thread I have ever read. :laugh: :laugh:

[KronoRed]

Kearns for Christy Mathewson.. you heard it here first.
"This guy here is dead"

[Red Leader]

There was nothing true about the three team trade involving LAA, FLA and CIN. I made that one up. I was just more or less thinking out loud. Don't want anyone to think that I saw that reported somewhere. I didn't. I was just trying to see how we could give up Edwin and get Cabrera back from the Fish. The only way that could happen is if we shed Dunn's salary, so I got a third team involved that had rumored interest in Dunn. Getting Cabrera and Ervin Santana while giving up Edwin and Dunn seemed like a good deal to me, and somewhat even. Seemed like the Marlins were getting screwed giving up Cabrera and getting EE, so I included a prospect from the Angels and Reds going to them. Voila!

[pedro]

I'm not sure Ervin Santana isn't overrated myself.

[Joseph]

No way - Kearns isn't worth nearly as much as Mathewson. Maybe Russ Ford or Addie Joss, but not Mathewson. How about Kearns for Al Maul?

How about Darth Maul?

[cincy09]

"This guy here is dead"
cross him off then

[harangatang]

"This guy here is dead"I'll bet he could still outpitch someone like Dave Williams.

[Tom Servo]

Kearns for Christy Mathewson.. you heard it here first.


http://www.baseball-almanac.com/graves/grave_christymathewson.jpg

Let's do this thing.

[REDSEER]

I'll bet he could still outpitch someone like Dave Williams.
and Joe Mays.......:bang: :bang:

[KronoRed]

How about Darth Maul?
He comes apart in games

[mole44]

"This guy here is dead"
My favorite movie line, ever

[edabbs44]

Kearns for Scott Olsen?
I wanted that back in the spring, except for WMP. Florida was offering Olsen for Gathright and TB declined. No wonder why they are at the bottom every year.

[Caveat Emperor]

He comes apart in games

Wow...hold on --

http://www.johnbeagle.com/images/car-crash.jpg
(Apologies to O&A for stealing their bit)

[Heath]

Kearns for Christy Mathewson.. you heard it here first.

Our luck we'd get Amos Rusie again.

[cincy09]

6 minutes with out a post

[RedsMan3203]

And the rumor is dead.

[redsfan4445]

The rumor though I don't believe it at all is Kearns to FLA, Lopez and Hatteberg to BAL, Willis and Tejada to CIN. There are also prospects including Homer Bailey mentioned in the rumor.


If Bailey is included we better get Cabrera in return if we can give the fish Edwin!!

[goreds2]

Wow...hold on --

http://www.johnbeagle.com/images/car-crash.jpg
(Apologies to O&A for stealing their bit)

DITTO:

http://www.dregs.net/ona/clips/moonachie.mp3

[registerthis]

If they want to dream perhaps they should try dreaming of something that actually has a chance to happen.

This doesn't.

I wouldn't say a Willis-to-Cincinnati deal has "no chance" of actually happening.

And even if it did, I'm still not seeing the harm in throwing it out there. Are we going to start dictating that each trade proposal someone puts on the board must be grounded in some other's version of reality?

Let people have their fun.

[paintmered]

Let people have their fun.


Fun is in violation of rule #7.




:p: