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Joseph
05-12-2008, 04:35 PM
Marlins

1. Alfredo Amezaga cf
2. Jeremy Hermida rf
3. Hanley Ramirez ss
4. Jorge Cantu 3b
5. Dan Uggla 2b
6. Luis Gonzalez lf
7. Wes Helms 1b
8. Mike Rabelo c
9. Burke Badenhop p

Reds

1. Corey Patterson cf
2. Jeff Keppinger ss
3. Ken Griffey Hr. rf
4. Brandon Phillips 2b
5. Joey Votto 1b
6. Edwin Encarnacion 3b
7. Adam Dunn lf
8. Paul Bako c
9. Aaron Harang p

Enjoy.

Please note, this thread will be closed and re-opened prior to game time.

Thanks,

Your friendly neighborhood staff.

NC Reds
05-12-2008, 07:02 PM
Dunn should never bat 7th.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 07:07 PM
3. Ken Griffey Hr. rf

If Griffey goes deep tonight, I'll credit Joseph for waving his magic wand.

In other news, Dusty's bungling of Dunn is now approaching Bob Boone/Tom Robson territory. I've never seen inept managers and hitting coaches try so hard to screw up a player as I have with that trio trying to screw up Dunn.

reds44
05-12-2008, 07:10 PM
Really good to have the game threads back. On paper, this looks like a series we can win, but the Marlins are finding ways to win games, mostly with their offense. We need to pitch well.

Joseph
05-12-2008, 07:10 PM
I copied direct from C Trent, give him the credit.....no, give me the credit, I need it.

NC Reds
05-12-2008, 07:10 PM
I don't think Dusty looks at OBP at all. I really don't.

RedlegJake
05-12-2008, 07:11 PM
I don't which is worse. CP leading off or Dunn down to 7th.

KronoRed
05-12-2008, 07:15 PM
I don't think Dusty looks at OBP at all. I really don't.

Considering who is batting leadoff I don't think he looks at anything other then names of guys he likes, Patterson doesn't have good stats in ANY category.

Red in Chicago
05-12-2008, 07:15 PM
wow, that home run really got out fast down the right field line. let's hope that run doesn't kill harang already

Raisor
05-12-2008, 07:15 PM
I'm testing the moderation.

I'm not going to wear pants for the game.


1. Corey Patterson cf
2. Jeff Keppinger ss
3. Ken Griffey Hr. rf
4. Brandon Phillips 2b
5. Joey Votto 1b
6. Edwin Encarnacion 3b
7. Adam Dunn lf
8. Paul Bako c
9. Aaron Harang p


Well, that's certainly one way to go.

Red in Chicago
05-12-2008, 07:16 PM
back to back jacks for marlins...2 - 0 with only one out in first

RedlegJake
05-12-2008, 07:17 PM
Amazega flies out then Hermida homers. Aaron gives up a lot of solo shots

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 07:17 PM
Reds fans are booing Harang already, all 3k of them down at the game tonight. I wonder how many more losses Aaron needs before he starts getting the Dunn treatment.

Raisor
05-12-2008, 07:17 PM
back to back jacks for marlins...2 - 0 with only one out in first

Welcome to two years ago.

flyer85
05-12-2008, 07:17 PM
Don't worry ... the Reds got Corey

Raisor
05-12-2008, 07:18 PM
The Marlins are sure good at manufacturing runs.

:)

Red in Chicago
05-12-2008, 07:18 PM
Reds fans are booing Harang already, all 3k of them down at the game tonight. I wonder how many more losses Aaron needs before he starts getting the Dunn treatment.

well, so far tonight, he'll have no one but himself to blame;)

RedlegJake
05-12-2008, 07:18 PM
Another homer then Cantu singles. Harang is not looking good so far.

reds44
05-12-2008, 07:18 PM
Hanley Ramirez is really good.

Not a promising start.

Raisor
05-12-2008, 07:19 PM
Another homer then Cantu singles. Harang is not looking good so far.

That's Milton-esque.

BRM
05-12-2008, 07:19 PM
The Marlins are sure good at manufacturing runs.

:)

How do those work in the RC formula?

Red in Chicago
05-12-2008, 07:21 PM
huge double play on gonzalez...

Reds Freak
05-12-2008, 07:23 PM
It seems to me that Aaron's mechanics have been pretty inconsistent this year causing his location to be off and velocity down a bit. I'm not worried at all about Harang, he's been one of my favorite Reds in a long time. But I have noticed his mechanics not being as solid as they have been in the past...

Meanwhile, Burke Badenhop warming up for the Fins. Sounds like a 3 hit 1 run performance to me..

flyer85
05-12-2008, 07:25 PM
Ooh Corey, he's an out machine

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 07:26 PM
A Corey Patterson real-time on-base percentage update: .250 after tonight's ground ball leadoff out.

He's reach base only 28 times in 112 qualifying plate appearances.

Red in Chicago
05-12-2008, 07:27 PM
thom just said 61 at bats since jr's last home run. let's get on with it already.

SirFelixCat
05-12-2008, 07:27 PM
Dead horse and all that, but omg...Dunn 7th and CP still leading off.

I'm seriously ticked off I spent $500 on tix for the Dodger series next week. The good news is that I'm close enough so that Dusty can hear me...thoughts on things to say?

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 07:28 PM
Aaron Harang--righthanded Tom Browning. They'll leave the yard, but there won't be anyone on base.

BRM
05-12-2008, 07:29 PM
A Corey Patterson real-time on-base percentage update: .250 after tonight's ground ball leadoff out.

He's reach base only 28 times in 112 qualifying plate appearances.

That's awesome. What's the over/under on how many plate appearances Corey gets in the leadoff slot this year?

RedlegJake
05-12-2008, 07:29 PM
It's embarrassing that CP is still leading off...grounds out, Kepp lines out to center, Junior grounds out. No quick start tonight.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 07:29 PM
Dead horse and all that, but omg...Dunn 7th and CP still leading off.

I'm seriously ticked off I spent $500 on tix for the Dodger series next week. The good news is that I'm close enough so that Dusty can hear me...thoughts on things to say?

Consume plenty of beer and be extremely vocal in telling Dusty where to go. There's no need to be shy or hold back either, not even if there's children around. It is Dusty Baker after all so even the children will understand.

;)

flyer85
05-12-2008, 07:30 PM
huge double play on gonzalez...

I doubt it

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 07:31 PM
My guess is that the bottom of the order won't get on base all that much tonight either. It'll be Dusty's fault.

flyer85
05-12-2008, 07:31 PM
It's embarrassing that CP is still leading offjust shows the manager is hard-headed in addition to clueless.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 07:31 PM
That's awesome. What's the over/under on how many plate appearances Corey gets in the leadoff slot this year?

Man, I don't know.

By this point, though, I just want to see Patterson leadoff every night. I mean we could see something historical if Patterson is the regular leadoff hitter the entire season. It could very well be the worst single season leadoff performance of all-time in baseball history.

SirFelixCat
05-12-2008, 07:33 PM
Consume plenty of beer and be extremely vocal in telling Dusty where to go. There's no need to be shy or hold back either, not even if there's children around. It is Dusty Baker after all so even the children will understand.

;)

Heh...

While I'm tempted, I was thinking something along the lines of "Hey Dusty...keep running out that .250 OBP that CP has leading off...way to jump start that offense!"


I have a week to improve upon it for sure.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 07:36 PM
Harang was back on that last inning. Free and easy with pitches being located right where he wanted.

It looked to me like he just had a momentary lapse of command in the first inning. A few pitches were too close to the middle of the zone and got hammered. If he avoids those types of mistakes the rest of the night, like he did in the 2nd inning, he'll keep the Reds in the game. Of course, that just means the Reds will lose 2-1.

RedlegJake
05-12-2008, 07:38 PM
What gets me is he is moving Junior, moves Dunn, drops Kepp down, juggles everyone BUT Patterson. Mind boggling.

OldRightHander
05-12-2008, 07:39 PM
Heh...

While I'm tempted, I was thinking something along the lines of "Hey Dusty...keep running out that .250 OBP that CP has leading off...way to jump start that offense!"


I have a week to improve upon it for sure.

Looks like I picked the wrong time to come west. I had to see the Dodgers play the Mets. Maybe before then Dusty will bump his head and have an attack of common sense and you'll see CP batting 7th and Dunn in the 2 hole. Don't hold your breath though.

BRM
05-12-2008, 07:40 PM
What gets me is he is moving Junior, moves Dunn, drops Kepp down, juggles everyone BUT Patterson. Mind boggling.

He "juggled" Patterson. He did hit him 3rd once.

Red in Chicago
05-12-2008, 07:41 PM
Looks like I picked the wrong time to come west. I had to see the Dodgers play the Mets. Maybe before then Dusty will bump his head and have an attack of common sense and you'll see CP batting 7th and Dunn in the 2 hole. Don't hold your breath though.

ORH, you're making me nervous ;)

RedlegJake
05-12-2008, 07:42 PM
He "juggled" Patterson. He did hit him 3rd once.

True. I forgot that classic move. On a hot summer night though CP third and BP fourth would help keep the players cool. All that breeze.

OldRightHander
05-12-2008, 07:43 PM
ORH, you're making me nervous ;)

I'm not close enough to Cincy right now to administer the bump. I can't seem to get a load out of Vegas.

Kc61
05-12-2008, 07:44 PM
What gets me is he is moving Junior, moves Dunn, drops Kepp down, juggles everyone BUT Patterson. Mind boggling.

This is the lineup best designed to avoid guys batting out of turn. Ross doesn't play. Patterson hits after the pitcher.

SirFelixCat
05-12-2008, 07:44 PM
I'm not close enough to Cincy right now to administer the bump. I can't seem to get a load out of Vegas.

There ARE worse things ya know....


re the game: Harang certainly has settled down...I really wonder why he struggles in the first inning so much...but good to see him 'find himself' since.

gm
05-12-2008, 07:44 PM
Any brush-back pitches from Harang after those 2 dingers?

(didn't think so)

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 07:45 PM
Reds 2nd inning was boring: ground outs by Phillips and Votto and a strikeout by Encarnacion.

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 07:46 PM
I want the Pete Mack 16-22 Reds. I'm tired of these 15-23 Reds.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 07:46 PM
Quick question: Who's the better radio play-by-play guy?

Jim Kelch or *gulp* Jeff Brantley? :lol:

Tommyjohn25
05-12-2008, 07:47 PM
Aaron needs to start being more efficient tonight. The bully has been taxed lately.

OldRightHander
05-12-2008, 07:48 PM
Since I'm not able to watch the game at the truck stop, I'm relying on the folks with TVs to describe everything well.

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 07:49 PM
Since I'm not able to watch the game at the truck stop, I'm relying on the folks with TVs to describe everything well.

Patterson caught a long fly against the wall, but killed a baby doing it. 3 outs.

reds44
05-12-2008, 07:50 PM
Patterson can definatley play defense. He has great range.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 07:50 PM
Since I'm not able to watch the game at the truck stop, I'm relying on the folks with TVs to describe everything well.

Amezaga fouled out to Bako in front of the Reds dugout, Hermida struck out, and Ramirez flied out to Patterson in deep right center on the warning track. I'll give Patterson credit; he made a nice running catch.

Heading to the Reds half of the 3rd with the Reds down 2-0 and Dunn leading off. Dunn promptly grounds out to first.

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 07:51 PM
Patterson can definatley play defense. He has great range.

Definitely cut him. Freel makes that play EASY. Junior and Bruce, too.

WebScorpion
05-12-2008, 07:52 PM
...I'm close enough so that Dusty can hear me...thoughts on things to say?

Just yell a few standard things at Dusty, so he knows it's him you're heckling. 'I've seen better lineups at the local sherriff's office!' ; 'Hey Dusty, does Corey Patterson have incriminating photos of you? He doesn't belong in the lineup!'; 'You double-switch like a girl!'; You couldn't hit-and-run your way out of a wet paper bag!'

Then when it gets real quiet, sometime late in the game...Yell this out loud and clear: 'I bet Hank Aaron would be a better manager too!'

That ought to get them laughing. :laugh:

Good heckling is a lost art form...it can sometimes help keep things loose if it's clean and humorous. ;)

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 07:52 PM
Bako grounds out weakly to second for the second out, but Harang gets the offense rolling with a line shot into left for a single.

I'm telling you, get Harang and Volquez in the lineup on off days. They're liable to hit more than Patterson.

NC Reds
05-12-2008, 07:52 PM
Harang gets a hit. At least Corey will not lead off next inning.

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 07:53 PM
This offense makes me want to crap out of my eyes. No matter the order.

RedlegJake
05-12-2008, 07:53 PM
Definitely cut him. Freel makes that play EASY. Junior and Bruce, too.

I agree - although Freel would take a wrong turn and make it look more exciting.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 07:54 PM
Patterson hits a floater to left for a single. That on-base percentage is up to .257, oh my!

Tommyjohn25
05-12-2008, 07:55 PM
This offense makes me want to crap out of my eyes. No matter the order.

Um...me too?? :eek:

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 07:55 PM
Keppinger grounds into a 6-4 fielder's choice to end the inning.

Marlins still up 2-0 heading to the 4th.

MWM
05-12-2008, 07:55 PM
Quick question: Who's the better radio play-by-play guy?

Jim Kelch or *gulp* Jeff Brantley? :lol:

Up until last week, I had never heard Brantley on the radio. Being back in town for a couple of weeks, I turned it on in one of the away games, and I was astonished at how bad he was trying to do play by play. I've always recognized that it's not easy and that I don't think I'd do a good job. But listening to Brantley and I think my 5 year old son could do better. It's the worst I've ever heard in my life. He's not good on TV, but that's more because he says stupid things. On the radio is pure incompetence. He has no idea what he's doing.

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 07:55 PM
I agree - although Freel would take a wrong turn and make it look more exciting.

Junior would have gotten to that ball if he had had the flux capacitor.

SirFelixCat
05-12-2008, 07:56 PM
Just yell a few standard things at Dusty, so he knows it's him you're heckling. 'I've seen better lineups at the local sherriff's office!' ; 'Hey Dusty, does Corey Patterson have incriminating photos of you? He doesn't belong in the lineup!'; 'You double-switch like a girl!'; You couldn't hit-and-run your way out of a wet paper bag!'

Then when it gets real quiet, sometime late in the game...Yell this out loud and clear: 'I bet Hank Aaron would be a better manager too!'

That ought to get them laughing. :laugh:

Good heckling is a lost art form...it can sometimes help keep things loose if it's clean and humorous. ;)


Good stuff. You make a list and I'll bring it with...seriously. :thumbup:

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 07:58 PM
Marlins starting pitcher Badenhop has a taxing pitch count of 36 pitches through three full innings. The Reds are doing an excellent job so far tonight taking pitches, working the count, and getting balls to drive.

Red in Chicago
05-12-2008, 07:59 PM
is this now 19 scoreless reds innings while harang is pitching?

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 07:59 PM
Cantu pops out to short, then Uggla hits a bomb down the line in left field.

It's 3-0 Marlins.

Joseph
05-12-2008, 07:59 PM
Harang is just hanging pitches tonight, missing spots badly.

Any chance he's trying to pitch his way out of town?

SirFelixCat
05-12-2008, 07:59 PM
Not good...another solo shot down the LF line by Uggla. 3-0 Fish

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 08:00 PM
It's like home runs are a big bowl full of Snickers. Aaron can't resist.

Joseph
05-12-2008, 08:00 PM
Gonzales FO to Dunn.

2 down.

CTA513
05-12-2008, 08:00 PM
Harang is the best 1-5 (1-6?) pitcher in baseball.

Tommyjohn25
05-12-2008, 08:00 PM
My word. I am as optimistic as they come. But man, this team is slowly breaking my spirit.

MWM
05-12-2008, 08:01 PM
I swear, GABP is a joke. I love it for watching games, but I hope they find some money to do some major construction to make it more difficult to hit HRs. there are WAY too many balls that would be doubles or outs in most parks only to clear the fence at the GABP. I don't want them to go all Petco, but something needs to be done. This is a joke.

BTW, Thom just called Uggla the best power hitting 2B in the NL.

reds44
05-12-2008, 08:02 PM
I don't think trying to play small ball is a good idea in this park. Krivsky's offensive philosiphy was like putting a sqaure peg in a round hole.

The Marlins would love to play at GABP.

Joseph
05-12-2008, 08:02 PM
Brantley and Thom discuss the finer points of the Rule 5 draft as Dunn makes a really nice grab on a ball in the gap to end the inning.

3-0 Fish.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 08:03 PM
Dunn makes a very nice running catch heading into the center gap to take a double away from Wes Helms.

Heading to the Reds' half of the 4th with the Marlins up 3-0.

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 08:03 PM
I swear, GABP is a joke. I love it for watching games, but I hope they find some money to do some major construction to make it more difficult to hit HRs. there are WAY too many balls that would be doubles or outs in most parks only to clear the fence at the GABP. I don't want them to go all Petco, but something needs to be done. This is a joke.

BTW, Thom just called Uggla the best power hitting 2B in the NL.

I agree, but two out of the three hit tonight were screamers/no-doubters.

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 08:04 PM
I don't think trying to play small ball is a good idea in this park. Krivsky's offensive philosiphy was like putting a sqaure peg in a round hole.

The Marlins would love to play at GABP.

Krivsky had a buttload of dumb ideas.

RedlegJake
05-12-2008, 08:04 PM
Its darkest before the dawn
They're just a player or two away
They can still turn it around

Oh the heck with it...this team is depressing

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 08:04 PM
Up until last week, I had never heard Brantley on the radio. Being back in town for a couple of weeks, I turned it on in one of the away games, and I was astonished at how bad he was trying to do play by play. I've always recognized that it's not easy and that I don't think I'd do a good job. But listening to Brantley and I think my 5 year old son could do better. It's the worst I've ever heard in my life. He's not good on TV, but that's more because he says stupid things. On the radio is pure incompetence. He has no idea what he's doing.

Brantley's one of those guys where you can listen to him call a few consecutive innings and then have no idea what has happened in the game during those innings.

My favorite Brantley calls are balls hit into the gaps or down the lines with baserunners on base circling the bases and coming around to score. Action is going on all over the place, and Brantley isn't saying anything.

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 08:06 PM
Griffey has to be the worst all-around player in baseball. There: I said it.

reds44
05-12-2008, 08:06 PM
Krivsky had a buttload of dumb ideas.
A buttload?

:lol:

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 08:07 PM
Griffey grounds out weakly to first base on the second pitch and then Phillips singles up the middle.

Votto grounds into a fielder's choice on the first pitch. The Reds are making outs faster than I can type.

Red in Chicago
05-12-2008, 08:08 PM
Griffey grounds out weakly to first base on the second pitch and then Phillips singles up the middle.

Votto grounds into a fielder's choice on the first pitch. The Reds are making outs faster than I can type.

That may be one of the funniest lines ever:D

Tommyjohn25
05-12-2008, 08:10 PM
The entire team (sans perhaps Kepp) tries to pull everything, outside pitches and all. As long as that keeps up, expect this to continue.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 08:10 PM
Encarnacion then grounds into a fielder's choice to end the inning.

Still 3-0 Florida heading to the 5th.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 08:13 PM
Badenhop has thrown 46 pitches through four innings now for Florida. The home plate umpire was checking Badenhop's hat for a substance known as sweat; nothing was found.

Marlins catcher Rabelo pops out to shortstop, and Badenhop strikes out. Two quick outs for Harang.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 08:15 PM
Amezaga flies out to left to end the inning.

Dunn leads off an inning for the second time tonight when the Reds come up in the 5th.

MWM
05-12-2008, 08:16 PM
Well, if Dusty was trying to get his hitters to be more "agressive" this year, he's definitely succeeded.

OldRightHander
05-12-2008, 08:16 PM
This game is moving along fast. The Reds hitters in a hurry to go home tonight?

edabbs44
05-12-2008, 08:16 PM
Amezaga flies out to left to end the inning.

Dunn leads off an inning for the second time tonight when the Reds come up in the 5th.

His OBP should be paying dividends then.

MWM
05-12-2008, 08:19 PM
Brantley and Thom spent the last couple of mintes at the end of last inning talking about Jeff's hair style. Very painful.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 08:20 PM
Dunn strikes out, Bako shoots a line drive single through the hole into left field, then Harang drops a bunt down to advance Bako to second.

The .257 on-base percentage is up with two outs.

Dom Heffner
05-12-2008, 08:21 PM
Reminds me of the old Atlanta Braves announcers in the 80s when they used to talk about their favorite Disney characters.

When the home team stinks, what else do you talk about?

Maybe this happens with all teams, but the Reds really have a knack of making average pitchers look like Tom Seaver.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 08:21 PM
Patterson with his 2nd hit tonight drives in a run.

Joseph
05-12-2008, 08:21 PM
That hit likely bought Patterson another 2 weeks at the top of the order and Jay Bruce another two weeks in Louisville.

Tom Servo
05-12-2008, 08:21 PM
Corey Patterson laughs at Badenhop.

Tommyjohn25
05-12-2008, 08:22 PM
Hey Corey doubles!!! That'll keep Bruce down another month!! :cool:

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 08:22 PM
The .257 on-base percentage climbs up to .263 as Patterson doubles down the right field line to score Bako.

That piece of knowing how to win just earned Jay Bruce more time on the bench to watch Patterson after Bruce is promoted.

reds44
05-12-2008, 08:23 PM
Keppinger needs to get Corey in.

Tom Servo
05-12-2008, 08:24 PM
My boy Jorge still helping the Reds.

Joseph
05-12-2008, 08:24 PM
I'd still rather have Cantu on the bench than I would Patterson.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 08:24 PM
Keppinger grounds weakly to third, but Cantu throws it into the seats allowing on-base percentage to score and Keppinger moves to 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 08:24 PM
Florida's weakness their defense shows up

guttle11
05-12-2008, 08:25 PM
That throw was scary. Glad I'm not in the front row tonight.

reds44
05-12-2008, 08:25 PM
Cantu cannot play defense.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 08:26 PM
Griffey takes two balls, then Florida elects to intentionally walk him. Phillips now up hoping to swing at something out of the strike zone with runners on 1st and 2nd and outs.

Caseyfan21
05-12-2008, 08:26 PM
You could really see how Kepp forced the bad throw from Cantu there on the third base camera angle. Cantu caught it, gathered himself, looked up, saw Kepp running hard, and really rushed his throw. Good to see his hustle pay off.

lollipopcurve
05-12-2008, 08:26 PM
I don't care what people say -- Patterson still has upside. I'd like to see him in there most nights. He had a good second half last year. With no other true CF close to the majors, why not give him a legit shot instead of burying him after a month? The team is not in contention.

reds44
05-12-2008, 08:27 PM
This move makes no sense.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 08:28 PM
Phillips swings at something out of the strike zone to ground into a 5-3 fielder's choice.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 08:28 PM
I don't care what people say -- Patterson still has upside. I'd like to see him in there most nights. He had a good second half last year. With no other true CF close to the majors, why not give him a legit shot instead of burying him after a month? The team is not in contention.

What's his upside, a .305 on-base percentage?

Almost 3,500 career plate appearances, and he's one of the worst on-base hitters in baseball history.

WVRedsFan
05-12-2008, 08:28 PM
Wow. Brandon was determined to swing at anything that came up there.

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 08:28 PM
I don't care what people say -- Patterson still has upside. I'd like to see him in there most nights. He had a good second half last year. With no other true CF close to the majors, why not give him a legit shot instead of burying him after a month? The team is not in contention.

Truth.

Spring~Fields
05-12-2008, 08:29 PM
Cantu cannot play defense.

He is rough, but he has one less error than EE at 3B

kbrake
05-12-2008, 08:29 PM
I still like Patterson playing, just not leading off.

reds44
05-12-2008, 08:29 PM
This move makes no sense.
What do I know? Do your thing Fredi.

edabbs44
05-12-2008, 08:30 PM
What's his upside, a .305 on-base percentage?

Almost 3,500 career plate appearances, and he's one of the worst on-base hitters in baseball history.

OBP isn't everything in this game.

WVRedsFan
05-12-2008, 08:31 PM
This move makes no sense.
If you'e talking about the Marlins walking Griffey intentionally, it makes loads of sense in that the whole league knows Phillips is a free swinger and was likely to try to hit balls out of the strike zone.

MWM
05-12-2008, 08:31 PM
I love Phillips as a player, but watching him hit is really frustrating at times. He swings at so many bad pitches.

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 08:32 PM
Almost 3,500 career plate appearances, and he's one of the worst on-base hitters in baseball history.

He's got lots of company in this lineup in the OB department. His defense, however, is pretty much unparalleled in this lineup.

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 08:34 PM
Cantu can hit...

reds44
05-12-2008, 08:34 PM
OBP isn't everything in this game.
I could honestly live with Patterson if he was posting his normal .300 OBP. He's just been so bad this year that his speed has been negated.

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 08:35 PM
If you'e talking about the Marlins walking Griffey intentionally, it makes loads of sense in that the whole league knows Phillips is a free swinger and was likely to try to hit balls out of the strike zone.

Right now, you could give Griffey 10 meatballs down the pipe, and he wouldn't hit a one to the wall.

reds44
05-12-2008, 08:35 PM
Cantu can hit...
He would not be a starter on the Reds.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 08:36 PM
Good throw by Bako

Tommyjohn25
05-12-2008, 08:36 PM
My God! What a throw by Bako!

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 08:37 PM
He's got lots of company in this lineup in the OB department. His defense, however, is pretty much unparalleled in this lineup.

Not even Tris Speaker's defense could make Patterson's offensive production this year tolerable.

reds44
05-12-2008, 08:38 PM
Bako gunned down Cantu from his knees.

Nice arm.

lollipopcurve
05-12-2008, 08:38 PM
2008: the apotheosis of Bako.

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 08:38 PM
Not even Tris Speaker's defense could make Patterson's offensive production this year tolerable.

I'd judge that a little deeper in than 105 ABs.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 08:39 PM
Leadoff 4 pitch walk to Votto

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 08:40 PM
Votto on with a 4 pitch walk... lets capitalize!

NC Reds
05-12-2008, 08:40 PM
Votto with a base clogger.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 08:40 PM
Edwin doubles off the wall in left. 2nd and 3rd with no outs.

lollipopcurve
05-12-2008, 08:40 PM
nice AB by Votto -- you have to make this guy get the ball up

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 08:40 PM
woo hoo!!! double by Edwin... 2nd and 3rd with Dunn up!

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 08:41 PM
Clutch up Dunn...

guttle11
05-12-2008, 08:41 PM
Edwin is starting to look like a serious all-star contender.

Tom Servo
05-12-2008, 08:41 PM
Edwin with a sweet stroke.

MWM
05-12-2008, 08:41 PM
Last half inning Brantley was touting the virtues of Florida being a team who "swings the bat" and is willing to be aggressive. This half inning he was touting the patience of Votto and saying that Encarnacion needs to get back to being patient.

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 08:41 PM
Dunn needs to get the ball to the right side!

Kc61
05-12-2008, 08:42 PM
Edwin is starting to look like a serious all-star contender.

Isn't he hitting .260 and leading the league in errors?

reds44
05-12-2008, 08:42 PM
Votto and EE should be this teams 3-4 hitters the rest of the year. When Bruce comes up he bats 5th

Joseph
05-12-2008, 08:42 PM
Dunn will walk here or something non-productive ;)

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 08:42 PM
please don't strikeout Dunn...

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 08:43 PM
3-2 to Dunn

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 08:43 PM
I'd judge that a little deeper in than 105 ABs.

Patterson's never going to produce offensively; he's made a career of not producing. Saving 10 runs defensively isn't much of an upgrade when he's costing you 20 offensively.

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 08:43 PM
Great baserunning by Edwin!! Good Sac Dunner!

Tom Servo
05-12-2008, 08:43 PM
The incredibly rare sacrifice fly!

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 08:44 PM
Tie game on a Dunn sac fly. Tie game 3-3. Good hustle by Edwin to get to 3rd.

Joseph
05-12-2008, 08:44 PM
Good job by Dunn. Good baserunning by EE.

The Reds played a little 'small ball' and succeeded.

reds44
05-12-2008, 08:44 PM
GREAT baserunning by EE.

3-3

Kc61
05-12-2008, 08:44 PM
Dunn hardly hit that ball and it went to deep left. I was at Shea this weekend and Dunn hit some foul line drives that were frightening. Putting aside all the talke about his attributes and deficiencies, Dunn has awesome power as he showed there again.

redsrule2500
05-12-2008, 08:45 PM
Crazy baserunning by EE!!! We would be hating on him if that failed, but since it worked, gotta love it!

lollipopcurve
05-12-2008, 08:45 PM
baserunning -- it matters

nice work advancing to 3rd by EdE

RedsManRick
05-12-2008, 08:46 PM
Nevermind.

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 08:47 PM
Horrible!

redsrule2500
05-12-2008, 08:47 PM
Ugh, epic failure by Bako.... :(

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 08:47 PM
Patterson's never going to produce offensively; he's made a career of not producing. Saving 10 runs defensively isn't much of an upgrade when he's costing you 20 offensively.

If he OPSes under .700, I'll tip my hat to you and admit I was wrong. I think he can OPS in the .740 range in 450 ABs. He won't get that many, as Bruce will likely be up, making this whole discussion moot. But he has a place on MLB roster, starting or not.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 08:47 PM
Bako pops out to short. They are letting Harang bat with 2 outs and a runner on 3rd.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 08:49 PM
Wild pitch! Reds lead 4-3.

Tommyjohn25
05-12-2008, 08:49 PM
Wild pitch gives the Reds the lead!! Heck yes!

reds44
05-12-2008, 08:49 PM
That was the one thing the Marlins could not let happen right there. I'll take it.

Joseph
05-12-2008, 08:51 PM
Badenhop just out-thought himself there and tried to hard.

Balls in Harangs court now. If he loses, he has only himself to blame.

Red in Chicago
05-12-2008, 08:51 PM
it's been a very long time since harang pitched with a lead.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 08:52 PM
89 pitches for Harang heading into the 7th

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 08:52 PM
Gotta win this one if you want to take the series. They've got a chance tomorrow with Volquez, but then it's katie bar the door after that.

Tommyjohn25
05-12-2008, 08:52 PM
Reds44. Your sig under your avatar is hilarious!

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 08:53 PM
Uggla doubles down the left field line.

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 08:53 PM
goody, leadoff double...

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 08:53 PM
If he OPSes under .700, I'll tip my hat to you and admit I was wrong. I think he can OPS in the .740 range in 450 ABs. He won't get that many, as Bruce will likely be up, making this whole discussion moot. But he has a place on MLB roster, starting or not.

Given the GABP boost, he better OPS .700 and change to have any value. His career road OPS is only .676 so what little he has done in his career has already had the Wrigley boost.

I'd have less problems with Patterson on the roster as a reserve outfielder, but he's a hole if he's starting, good defense or not. I'm a proponent of excellent defense up the middle, especially center field, but there comes a point when the gravity of offensive drag becomes too much to deal with even in center field.

Tom Servo
05-12-2008, 08:54 PM
C'mon Aaron, battle.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 08:55 PM
Gonzalez flies out to left. 1 out.

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 08:55 PM
Dunn has one bad arm... I thought he was a QB... at 6-6 260 you would think he'd have a cannon, but I guess it does nothing for your arm speed...

reds44
05-12-2008, 08:55 PM
Reds44. Your sig under your avatar is hilarious!
:lol:

Thanks. :D

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 08:56 PM
Given the GABP boost, he better OPS .700 and change to have any value. His career road OPS is only .676 so what little he has done in his career has already had the Wrigley boost.

I'd have less problems with Patterson on the roster as a reserve outfielder, but he's a hole if he's starting, good defense or not. I'm a proponent of excellent defense up the middle, especially center field, but there comes a point when the gravity of offensive drag becomes too much to deal with even in center field.

I guess. But Wrigley's played as a neutral park for many years--not exactly a GABP-esque offensive inflation.

Joseph
05-12-2008, 08:56 PM
Nice play again from Dunn. He got himself in position to make a good throw to third base to keep the runner from advancing. Again a little thing, but important.

lollipopcurve
05-12-2008, 08:56 PM
Helms........hits .825 against the Reds

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 08:56 PM
what luck...

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 08:57 PM
A little dribbler is an infield hit. 1st and 3rd with 1 out.

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 08:57 PM
need a DP right here...

Tom Servo
05-12-2008, 08:57 PM
Lousy Wes Helms...

Joseph
05-12-2008, 08:58 PM
Harang can't complain. Its his own fault.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 08:58 PM
Rabelo hits a sac. fly to center. Tie game 4-4. Runner goes to 2nd.

reds44
05-12-2008, 08:58 PM
Can't blame the offense for Harang today.

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 08:59 PM
The list of hitters who "have the Reds' number" is conceivably longer than the list of hitters who don't.

Red in Chicago
05-12-2008, 08:59 PM
Harang can't complain. Its his own fault.

yep, three solo shots and now this mess...all on him...

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 08:59 PM
Mike Jacobs pinch hitting for Bradenhop and is intentionally walked.

lollipopcurve
05-12-2008, 09:00 PM
He got himself in position to make a good throw to third base to keep the runner from advancing. Again a little thing, but important.

eh -- throw was well offline

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 09:01 PM
Amezaga grounds into a 5-4 FC. Tie game 4-4 mid 7th.

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 09:01 PM
lets get some...

RedlegJake
05-12-2008, 09:02 PM
It'd be nice to get Aaron a win here...bit of make up

reds44
05-12-2008, 09:02 PM
.

eh -- throw was well offline
Yeah, but the position he got himself in was enough to stop the runner from going to 3rd. The throw, at that point, really didn't matter.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 09:02 PM
108 pitches for Harang.

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 09:03 PM
I guess. But Wrigley's played as a neutral park for many years--not exactly a GABP-esque offensive inflation.

Wrigley has been right back to its hitters' park ways for the past four seasons now.

Joseph
05-12-2008, 09:03 PM
.

eh -- throw was well offline

No question, however the runner saw him in position to make a throw and didn't go because of it. The Dunn of a couple years ago would have tracked it and made a jogging catch and not been in position to make the runner even doubt he could run.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 09:04 PM
Taylor Tankersly in to pitch.

Bunt single for Patterson. 3 hits for Patterson tonight.

Joseph
05-12-2008, 09:04 PM
Why can't Patterson do this more often?

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 09:04 PM
ok.. now don't get picked off..

Benihana
05-12-2008, 09:05 PM
Ugh, I hope Patterson didn't buy himself more time with this 3-3 performance. I don't mind him as a defensive replacement but Jay Bruce should be playing CF every night at this point.

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 09:05 PM
I agree with Thom.. I wouldn't bunt either...

Cyclone792
05-12-2008, 09:05 PM
Why can't Patterson do this more often?

It's amazing how nice it is when the leadoff hitter actually gets on base. But you're right, too bad this is a rare sight indeed.

RedlegJake
05-12-2008, 09:05 PM
Tank Tankersley...is there a more football sounding name in baseball?

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 09:06 PM
Keppinger homers to left! 6-4 Reds!

Benihana
05-12-2008, 09:06 PM
woooooooohoooooooo keppinger hr!!

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 09:06 PM
That is why I would not bunt!!!

Tommyjohn25
05-12-2008, 09:06 PM
Nice bunt!!! :thumbup: Kepp jacks one OUTTTAAA HEEEREE!!!

Joseph
05-12-2008, 09:06 PM
No way you have him bunt there. ;)

NC Reds
05-12-2008, 09:06 PM
Country Kepp comes up large again. :thumbup:

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 09:06 PM
Keppinger is going to be so solid in the line-up for years to come...

RedlegJake
05-12-2008, 09:06 PM
Country Kepp with the hammer!

marcshoe
05-12-2008, 09:07 PM
"There is no way I'm giving Jeff Keppinger up for an out in the seventh inning of a tie game." -Thom Brenneman

reds44
05-12-2008, 09:07 PM
Thom and Jeff we're right on that one.

Az Red
05-12-2008, 09:07 PM
BOOOOOYAAAAAAA

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 09:07 PM
Ugh, I hope Patterson didn't buy himself more time with this 3-3 performance. I don't mind him as a defensive replacement but Jay Bruce should be playing CF every night at this point.

Worst outfield in history.

lollipopcurve
05-12-2008, 09:07 PM
Mr. Keppinger delivers.

Tommyjohn25
05-12-2008, 09:08 PM
Keppinger is going to be so solid in the line-up for years to come...

Absolutely. A true professional at the plate.

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 09:08 PM
I hate bunting anyone unless its the pitcher or someone with speed, bunting for a hit... that just me though...

jesusfan
05-12-2008, 09:09 PM
Brewcrew whipping up on the Cards, who are coming back to life after the hot start...

fearofpopvol1
05-12-2008, 09:09 PM
Keppinger may be the most underrated played that Krivsky acquired during his tenure. The dude is just such a fundamentally sound ball player. I really like him.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 09:09 PM
Junior walks.

Kc61
05-12-2008, 09:09 PM
Ugh, I hope Patterson didn't buy himself more time with this 3-3 performance. I don't mind him as a defensive replacement but Jay Bruce should be playing CF every night at this point.

Patterson/Freel can play center for this year. There will be another position for Bruce soon.

Griff walks. How about some more runs here.

lollipopcurve
05-12-2008, 09:10 PM
Ugh, I hope Patterson didn't buy himself more time with this 3-3 performance.

He hope he did. Regular ABs and he'll get better. Freel has upped his value -- now look to trade him. Bruce should be on a corner.

GAC
05-12-2008, 09:11 PM
After that 2 run homer, Dusty will bat Kepp 8th tomorrow. But if he keeps hitting he'll work his way back around to the top part of the order. It's the circle of life". :lol:

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 09:12 PM
What a bomb! A long homer to left for Phillips! 8-4 Reds

Tommyjohn25
05-12-2008, 09:12 PM
Holy mother of upper deck blast!!!

Tom Servo
05-12-2008, 09:12 PM
That's what you get for brininging in a lefty against BP.

Kc61
05-12-2008, 09:13 PM
Batting order doesn't matter if you hit like this. Good to see.

guttle11
05-12-2008, 09:13 PM
Phillips pulls off nearly every swing, and when he does connect...wow.

reds44
05-12-2008, 09:13 PM
Phillips!!!
8-4

This Marlins pitching staff is not good.

Red in Chicago
05-12-2008, 09:13 PM
what a blast by phillips!! how far did it go??

RedlegJake
05-12-2008, 09:13 PM
:thumbup:Every time I get down on Brandon he does this

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 09:13 PM
Now THERE'S a guy I worry about getting more ABs in his current slot: cleanup.

Joseph
05-12-2008, 09:13 PM
Feels good to be winning.

Tommyjohn25
05-12-2008, 09:14 PM
:thumbup:Every time I get down on Brandon he does this

Bash away Jake. Bash away!!:thumbup:

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 09:14 PM
Votto grounds out to short and EE fouls out to 3rd.

Az Red
05-12-2008, 09:15 PM
Feels good to be winning.

it's a new drug...

RedlegJake
05-12-2008, 09:15 PM
Its not the players. Its having the game thread back...

reds44
05-12-2008, 09:16 PM
Brandon Phillips is one of the few offensive players on this team I'm not worried about. He's not awesome, but he's solid. He'll slug for a high percentage, and not walk much. OPS a little over .800 with GG defensive and 30 SB speed.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 09:16 PM
Dunn lines out to 2nd. 8-4 Reds after 7.

GAC
05-12-2008, 09:17 PM
Now THERE'S a guy I worry about getting more ABs in his current slot: cleanup.


Here's the line on BP in the #4 slot so far this year....

.311 BA
.368 OB%
.575 SLG%
.943 OPS

RedlegJake
05-12-2008, 09:17 PM
Brandon Phillips is one of the few offensive players on this team I'm not worried about. He's not awesome, but he's solid. He'll slug for a high percentage, and not walk much. OPS a little over .800 with GG defensive and 30 SB speed.

I agree. Plus he still has value even when he's miscast.

Tommyjohn25
05-12-2008, 09:18 PM
Its not the players. Its having the game thread back...

I was just thinking this this afternoon. I thought "self, wouldn't that be super awesome if bringing the game threads back turned the Reds luck around?" If it does, I WILL be taking all the credit for it, at least in my own little world. :cool:

Falls City Beer
05-12-2008, 09:18 PM
Here's the line on BP in the #4 slot so far this year....

.311 BA
.368 OB%
.575 SLG%
.943 OPS

He's been 3rd most often this season. He's doesn't belong there either. He's a bottom of the order hitter. Aaron Boone redux.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 09:19 PM
Double switch. Hairston in left and Weathers in to pitch. Hopefully Dusty keeps his lineup card straight tonight.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2008, 09:20 PM
Hermida leads off with a single.