Are there any other Reds message boards?

[ChatterRed]

I'm frustrated that I can't post in the game thread. This board has some strange rules. Any thoughts?

[redsfanmia]

I was told by a ORG member to "go to Reds.com" so I think there must be a forum there.

[Nuxhall41]

I hear you. Can you at least have post-game threads here? I would like to discuss today's game and make some observations. It feels as though you are forbidden to talk about the actual games.

[LouisvilleCARDS]

Funny thing is I think they stopped the threads for negativity, whatever that means, and the game threads are restricted for those people in the first place. I like to read the different threads on both forums, often I'll hit "post reply" and I'll be on the ORG forum. I don't see any difference in negativity or knowledge of the Reds on either forum, but hey, thats just me. I guess to the site operators, we're second class, go figure.

[ChatterRed]

Honestly, I hate to say it.........but I feel like I'm being discriminated against. LOL.

I'll get over it. Thanks for the suggestions.

[keeganbrick]

http://www.strike3forums.com/forums/cincinnati-reds/

[jmac]

I hear you. Can you at least have post-game threads here? I would like to discuss today's game and make some observations. It feels as though you are forbidden to talk about the actual games.

You can post your thoughts on a particular game after the game is over.
Or that was the case during ST so I assume it still is.

[smoke6]

The Reds homepage has a message board, but it blows. Can't you just start a game thread in the SD? :confused:

[Jr's Boy]

www.Strike3forums.com has game threads in the Reds forum.

[TheBigLebowski]

Game threads in the Sun Deck aren't going to happen. More than one game thread would eat up too much bandwidth.

[ChatterRed]

What kind of cheap message board is this? ;)

[FlightRick]

I seriously doubt "bandwidth" (or payment for it) is the issue when it comes to game threads. I have a website of non-insignificant size, and the finances of site like this aren't crippling, not by a long shot. [Then again, I have advertisers, so certainly my perception is skewed on that issue....]

What *is* crippling is the load on the server when a message board gets busy during an "event." You can serve up countless content pages per minute with no trouble, but the number of operations/database-calls being executed when 100-150 people all want to post on a message board at the same time just kills the server and slows things down for everybody. With 162 "events" per year, it's no wonder they want to thin the herd around here; at my site, we long ago set the tone that such things were to be discussed "live" only in chat rooms, not in 20-page threads, and that worked out just fine.

Obviously, RZ doesn't view that as an option, so here we are. No big deal. Post-game trend discussion is permitted (see: a whole Janish thread that was basically a post-game thread back on Wednesday). I still think, however, that large chunks of the problem could be solved with two easy changes: (1) a board-wide "flood control" setting that forbids a single user from posting twice within 5 minutes (few people have two interesting things to say all day; nobody has two of them within five minutes), and (2) a rule that allows any user who makes a post continaing more emoticons than grammatically correct full sentences to be killed instantly. Trust me, the courts will come around soon, and this will be justifiable homicide.

That'd certainly "thin the herd" a bit, and I think allow gamethreads for all, with an emphasis on end-of-inning analysis and reaction, instead of knee-jerk pitch-by-pitch kvetching. I might even be motivated to show up and participate, instead of checking a game thread once per week with the same co-mingled horror and amusement that I get when I see a car wreck.

Might...


Rick

[muethibp]

I couldn't care less about posting in game threads, but, as I've said before, I personally find it very silly to have two parallel discussion boards on the same topics. I mean, would it really be the biggest problem to just have one? There are great posts in the sun deck and terrible posts in ORG. I really don't get it and would love to have someone explain it to me.

[Ghosts of 1990]

I couldn't care less about posting in game threads, but, as I've said before, I personally find it very silly to have two parallel discussion boards on the same topics. I mean, would it really be the biggest problem to just have one? There are great posts in the sun deck and terrible posts in ORG. I really don't get it and would love to have someone explain it to me.

but then they couldn't feel superior and exercise any type of power over anyone... and that's not what they want.

[Ghosts of 1990]

I've 'lurked' here for a long time, since around 2002-2003. Just reading the threads and just signed up for a name to post.

I've noticed A LOT of peculiar things that I didn't realize fully until I started posting. I mean, here we have a poster that has over 1,300 posts, has obviously been here a long time; but at the same time he hasn't been 'allowed' to talk in the ultra-exclusive forum. I also got a 'warning' the other day for using a borderline derogatory word in which I blanked out most of.... i.e. I called jim edmonds a word that rhymed with "rick". I mean, come on.

IMO and I'm only one man new to the message board world, they do an awful good job of pushing away a lot of solid fans. And I don't notice a difference from the two forums at all. There's not a human being on this earth that knows baseball or the Reds better than me. Not to sound confident but it's my life.

That said, some people have small amounts of control in their life; and when they get a chance to delegate and exert some power over someone, sometimes they like that feeling. I think to a degree that's what we have here. It's still a great great place here in the sun deck and the site overall has great reds discussion to read and discuss and a high activity level. Thats what gets me coming back.

[Ghosts of 1990]

also I love how you are only allowed an avatar if you've been elected to the presidential cabinet; aka the ORG. Haha thats funny

[Newman4]

It never has and never will make sense to me why the Sun Deck can't have a game thread. I've tried Strike 3, but there's like 10 people there. I'd personally contribute financially to a "no holds barred" Reds forum with very little restrictions. (No personal attacks and extreme profanity) Definitely not a "class" system with the haves and have-nots. I only come here because there is no other alternative.

[Newman4]

also I love how you are only allowed an avatar if you've been elected to the presidential cabinet; aka the ORG. Haha thats funny

I posted for a long time and met the "criteria" to be in ORG and then they changed the rules and I was not one of the chosen. I lost my picture, which meant more to me than being on ORG.

[Ghosts of 1990]

It never has and never will make sense to me why the Sun Deck can't have a game thread. I've tried Strike 3, but there's like 10 people there. I'd personally contribute financially to a "no holds barred" Reds forum with very little restrictions. (No personal attacks and extreme profanity) Definitely not a "class" system with the haves and have-nots. I only come here because there is no other alternative.

You gotta be careful man. I know a few people on here that actually got ran for saying borderline stuff. No warning, nothing. They just run you and you're gone for good.

But you're right.... the class system.. haha. No game threads. It's ran a little bit like old Germany

[Ghosts of 1990]

I posted for a long time and met the "criteria" to be in ORG and then they changed the rules and I was not one of the chosen. I lost my picture, which meant more to me than being on ORG.

You'd think that ORG would hand out certification tests these days before you're allowed to post there

[durl]

I spent a couple of years on the reds.com forum before I found Redszone.com. This one is FAR better than the reds.com board. For those who want to use more "flavorful" language, I believe you'd find a more receptive audience there.

Personally, I'm not going to complain about the restrictions here. I'll sacrifice some things in order to be on a board that keeps threads from turning into nothing but crude insults.

While I'm not a member of the ORG, I find discussions with you fine people to be enough for me.

[Newman4]

You gotta be careful man. I know a few people on here that actually got ran for saying borderline stuff. No warning, nothing. They just run you and you're gone for good.

But you're right.... the class system.. haha. No game threads. It's ran a little bit like old Germany

I've said worse than that, Jay. They know how I feel. There's no justification for some decisions other than "it's my site and I'll do what I want." I'm not being rude or disrespectful, just stating the obvious. They already kicked me off ORG within a few months of playing the game to get enough rep points when that was the carrot that was dangled. Now it's less objective and it's just beg and plead and maybe, just maybe you'll get in. I don't have my picture anymore under my name, but I do still have some degree of dignity. I ain't interested in begging. Sometimes people here disagree with me and vice versa, but I'm proud to be associated with you guys in the Sun Deck.

[standerson]

You gotta be careful man. I know a few people on here that actually got ran for saying borderline stuff. No warning, nothing. They just run you and you're gone for good.

But you're right.... the class system.. haha. No game threads. It's ran a little bit like old Germany


If they are banning people for posting borderline comments, there is a problem. It's not with the membership.

But don't ever confuse a simple forum with "old Germany"

[captainmorgan07]

As a veteran here i've seen this forum the old way and the new way. Gamethreads became very very very negative during the old rules. A change was needed. Now whether they changed things for the good or bad i will not comment.

[bigred97]

So what do you have to do exactly to get accepted in the org now? Seems silly to me, but I usually only read posts anyway. So I guess it doesn't matter that much to me.

[ReMarK]

I hear you guys loud and clear...I forget when I joined here, and I don't know if I have ever posted or not...as far as message boards go, I am a member of a few quality ones for music and a few other ones. I am one of those people that read a lot and doesn't really post all that much, but when something strikes me, I usually have something decent to contribute to the conversation. That being the case, even if I did post a little down here, I would never be promoted to the ORG to contribute...so all in all it just leaves a kinda bad taste in my mouth knowing that this is probably the best place to discuss Reds baseball but it is a "guilty until proven innocent" approach. I probably would only post once a month, and it would be well thought out...but sadly, I will always just be a spectator. I think everyone should have the chance to join the discussion until proven to be a troll.

Edit:
Ah! Low and behold, joined 2 years ago, 1st post...

[ChatterRed]

Well, before they went to the new punishment system, I was at 80% on the warning meter, and the last couple caught me completely off guard. Someone else started a religious discussion, and I had no clue it was off limits, joined in, and suddenly my warning meter went up another 20% without even a nice message tipping me off so I could delete the post before I got in trouble. I thought that was overboard.

I also insulted someone without using bad language and my warning meter went up 20%.........couldn't believe it.

At times, I'm actually afraid to post on here. ;)

[Ghosts of 1990]

Well, before they went to the new punishment system, I was at 80% on the warning meter, and the last couple caught me completely off guard. Someone else started a religious discussion, and I had no clue it was off limits, joined in, and suddenly my warning meter went up another 20% without even a nice message tipping me off so I could delete the post before I got in trouble. I thought that was overboard.

I also insulted someone without using bad language and my warning meter went up 20%.........couldn't believe it.

At times, I'm actually afraid to post on here. ;)

Just imagine how bad the mods are in the ORG about the longtime regulars and the newbies. The newbies probably get little or no leeway. The long time regulars are free to do what they want and the mods turn their heads I bet in debates to those..... I'm enjoying my time here in the Sun Deck and don't care if I ever get to post in the ORG. To be honest, I don't think I even want to at this point.

[jhiller21]

Everyone used to be able to post in game threads... incessant arguing and player bashing caused them to make it ORG only.

Game threads were recently taken away completely, seeing as even ORG couldn't keep them civil, now they're back for ORG only with some added rules.

You can always post in chat, which is actually pretty fun if we get enough people in there.

[LouisvilleCARDS]

As a veteran here i've seen this forum the old way and the new way. Gamethreads became very very very negative during the old rules. A change was needed. Now whether they changed things for the good or bad i will not comment.

I think the site owners also have to be pretty realistic about which team is being covered here too, and realize WHY its negative. It's not like people here are complete a-holes. Well, there may be a few who are consistently negative no matter what. This is a Reds board - not a Red Sox board. While they have the luxury of discussion which multi ten million free agent they're going to sign next, and how far they think they'll go in a playoffs, we definitely do not. Reds haven't been to the playoffs for 13 YEARS! The Reds haven't had a winning season the past 7 YEARS! Having a negative attitude is basically a requisite of being a Reds fan anymore, we've seen enough losing to last an eternity. I'm not a Bengals fan, but I'm guessing most here are, so that's probably double tough for those fans. I'm a 49ers fan and 7 of the last 9 years have been losing seasons and 2002 was the last time they made the playoffs, so I feel equal in that frustration too with the Bungals fans.

The point? It's really hard not to get fed up with the same thing every single year. I can see where the site owners are coming from not liking the negativity. If you run a site you see the same thing over and over again every day and you just want to shut people up, but you can't change the opinion of a jaded fanbase. Whenever this team becomes a true contender, I bet it suddenly turns into a lot happier place. There's no substitute for winning.

[paintmered]

You gotta be careful man. I know a few people on here that actually got ran for saying borderline stuff. No warning, nothing. They just run you and you're gone for good.

That's absolutely false. Our rules are clearly defined at the bottom of every page on RZ (perhaps you should read them). Only clear violations of the rules result in an added infraction point(s). Also, we don't "run you and you're gone for good". When a poster earns five infraction points, that poster is given a week suspension. If a small infraction takes that poster from 4 to 5, then yes, there is a suspension without without additional warning. However, I'd like to think that the previous infraction points already fulfilled the warning requirement.

Please take some time to understand how this board operates before you use your time to bash it. Don't be afraid to PM any of the mods or admins. We'll gladly take some time to address any of your concerns or questions.

[Boss-Hog]

Please take some time to understand how this board operates before you take your time to bash it. If you have questions, send any of the mods or admins a PM. We'll gladly take some time to address any of your concerns or questions.

Agreed - there's so many completely false statements in the first 30 posts in this thread, I don't even know where to begin...

[ChatterRed]

That's absolutely false. Our rules are clearly defined at the bottom of every page on RZ (perhaps you should read them). Only clear violations of the rules result in an added infraction point(s). Also, we don't "run you and you're gone for good". When a poster earns five infraction points, that poster is given a week suspension. If a small infraction takes that poster from 4 to 5, then yes, there is a suspension without without additional warning. However, I'd like to think that the previous infraction points already fulfilled the warning requirement.

Please take some time to understand how this board operates before you use your time to bash it. Don't be afraid to PM any of the mods or admins. We'll gladly take some time to address any of your concerns or questions.

I disagree. Sometimes rules aren't as clear as they seem.

[Caveat Emperor]

I also insulted someone without using bad language and my warning meter went up 20%.........couldn't believe it

Think about this for a second...

[EddieMilner]

Please take some time to understand how this board operates before you use your time to bash it. Don't be afraid to PM any of the mods or admins. We'll gladly take some time to address any of your concerns or questions.

On two different occasions I sent a PM to a Moderator (Heath). It was with regards to shutting down threads in the Sun Deck and also about Sun Deck members not being able to post in the Game Threads. Each time I heard no response. So while you may gladly take some time, some mods will not take any time for me. And each question was stated respectfully and kindly. It made me feel as if I wasn't important enough to deserve a response.

[elfmanvt07]

As a member of this forum for quite a while, I would agree that they don't dispense warnings or anything of that nature without necessity.

That being said, the attitude that is perceived by everyone outside the ORG is not a good one. Rules which alienate Reds fans who have never posted a single malicious post and have been members for 2 years should not exist, as they are by definition self-defeating. Having a minimum post count is archaic and unfair. I know I'm not the only reader who fits my mold either.

I'm more of a reader, and less of a poster, although I have MANY times found myself reaching down to click "Reply" only to realize I'm not part of the old boys' club. I appreciate the mods on this forum striving to keep it clean, positive, and interesting, and they have done so; it is far greater than the cesspool other baseball forums liken to. That being said, I fail to see the need for elitism AND a warning system. It seems to me that they are both good systems, but are completely redundant when used simultaneously. If a poster is malicious, ban him. Don't keep good posters out of the forum because they don't talk as much as everyone else.

[RedlegJake]

So much of this thread is completely false and baseless accusation I hardly know where to start. Some are legitimate concerns. I'm not a mod or admin (I was recently privileged to become a game thread mod but my moderating is only good for those threads) but this is my two cents worth (and worth about that much, too)


I don't see any difference in negativity or knowledge of the Reds on either forum, but hey, thats just me. I guess to the site operators, we're second class, go figure.

If you can't see any difference in the quality then why does it matter to you? Post in the SD. Make good posts. Soon you'll be in the ORG. The SunDeck is a good forum, too, not for "second class" but to get to know posters first.


I think the site owners also have to be pretty realistic about which team is being covered here too, and realize WHY its negative. ...

The point? It's really hard not to get fed up with the same thing every single year. I can see where the site owners are coming from not liking the negativity. If you run a site you see the same thing over and over again every day and you just want to shut people up, but you can't change the opinion of a jaded fanbase. Whenever this team becomes a true contender, I bet it suddenly turns into a lot happier place. There's no substitute for winning.

It does get happier when the Reds win but win or lose is no reason for rudeness, personal attacks, foul language or beating the same topic to death. In my experience the only time negativity gets a poster in trouble is when it combines baiting, rudeness or a personal attack on a player or another poster. The admins and mods are huge Reds fans, too. The losing is just as hard for them to watch as it is for all of us. You'd think the losing would make us band together rather than attack each other.


Game threads were recently taken away completely, seeing as even ORG couldn't keep them civil, now they're back for ORG only with some added rules.

No rules were added - a few guidelines were suggested and more game thread mods added. The rules are the same as the regular board.


I also insulted someone without using bad language and my warning meter went up 20%.........couldn't believe it.

So its okay in your book to insult people as long as you don't cuss? This isn't "Celebrity Roast" If insults are your style go to the Enquirer board.


I don't know if I have ever posted or not...I am one of those people that read a lot and doesn't really post all that much....Edit:Ah! Low and behold, joined 2 years ago, 1st post...


....I usually only read posts anyway. So I guess it doesn't matter that much to me.

Seriously, you've made your first post in 2 years so where is the problem? You can read all you want. See bigred's remark above. He gets it.


I've said worse than that, Jay. They know how I feel. There's no justification for some decisions other than "it's my site and I'll do what I want." I'm not being rude or disrespectful, just stating the obvious. They already kicked me off ORG within a few months of playing the game to get enough rep points when that was the carrot that was dangled. Now it's less objective and it's just beg and plead and maybe, just maybe you'll get in. I don't have my picture anymore under my name, but I do still have some degree of dignity. I ain't interested in begging. Sometimes people here disagree with me and vice versa, but I'm proud to be associated with you guys in the Sun Deck.

Since they own the site they CAN do what they want. And its completely false that begging and pleading are needed to get in ORG. Insightful posts, civility and contributions beyond noise are your ticket. I might also point out that the site's mods and admins don't elect ORG members although they have a vote. The membership does. The owners and admins have never vetoed a voted in member, either.


You gotta be careful man. I know a few people on here that actually got ran for saying borderline stuff. No warning, nothing. They just run you and you're gone for good.

But you're right.... the class system.. haha. No game threads. It's ran a little bit like old Germany

Totally false. The only people banned have been through the infraction process or they tried to use the board to spam members and promote commercial interests. And the old Germany thing is an asinine comment.


I hear you. Can you at least have post-game threads here? I would like to discuss today's game and make some observations. It feels as though you are forbidden to talk about the actual games.

You can certainly discuss the games afterward. If there aren't any post game threads then start one up and post your comments.


....There are great posts in the sun deck and terrible posts in ORG. I really don't get it and would love to have someone explain it to me.

Very simple. Make great posts in the SunDeck and you'll become a member of the ORG. As for ORG's terrible posts there are some for sure. And if they are rude, baiting, or attacking they get docked points, too.


....here we have a poster that has over 1,300 posts, has obviously been here a long time; but at the same time he hasn't been 'allowed' to talk in the ultra-exclusive forum. I also got a 'warning' the other day for using a borderline derogatory word in which I blanked out most of.... i.e. I called jim edmonds a word that rhymed with "rick". I mean, come on.

1300 or 130 doesn't matter. It's quality. Are there a few posters in SD who should be in ORG? Yes. And in time they'll be there. But a lot of posts might mean just a lot of noise, too. As for your Edmonds comment. Good for the mods. If you consider that word "borderline" I disagree. It's filth. Not everyone wants to tolerate filth just because it's alright by you.


but then they couldn't feel superior and exercise any type of power over anyone... and that's not what they want.

If they feel like I do reading this, they can't help it.


....There's not a human being on this earth that knows baseball or the Reds better than me. Not to sound confident but it's my life.

Confident wasn't really what came to mind when I read this...

[smoke6]

All the complaining (not that I disagree) about the rules and the "alienation" will not change a thing. Feel free to start a message board where we are all created equal if you don't like it. :D

[Heath]

On two different occasions I sent a PM to a Moderator (Heath). It was with regards to shutting down threads in the Sun Deck and also about Sun Deck members not being able to post in the Game Threads. Each time I heard no response. So while you may gladly take some time, some mods will not take any time for me. And each question was stated respectfully and kindly. It made me feel as if I wasn't important enough to deserve a response.

I didn't get either of these messages. :confused:

[Ghosts of 1990]

So much of this thread is completely false and baseless accusation I hardly know where to start. Some are legitimate concerns. I'm not a mod or admin (I was recently privileged to become a game thread mod but my moderating is only good for those threads) but this is my two cents worth (and worth about that much, too)



If you can't see any difference in the quality then why does it matter to you? Post in the SD. Make good posts. Soon you'll be in the ORG. The SunDeck is a good forum, too, not for "second class" but to get to know posters first.



It does get happier when the Reds win but win or lose is no reason for rudeness, personal attacks, foul language or beating the same topic to death. In my experience the only time negativity gets a poster in trouble is when it combines baiting, rudeness or a personal attack on a player or another poster. The admins and mods are huge Reds fans, too. The losing is just as hard for them to watch as it is for all of us. You'd think the losing would make us band together rather than attack each other.



No rules were added - a few guidelines were suggested and more game thread mods added. The rules are the same as the regular board.



So its okay in your book to insult people as long as you don't cuss? This isn't "Celebrity Roast" If insults are your style go to the Enquirer board.





Seriously, you've made your first post in 2 years so where is the problem? You can read all you want. See bigred's remark above. He gets it.



Since they own the site they CAN do what they want. And its completely false that begging and pleading are needed to get in ORG. Insightful posts, civility and contributions beyond noise are your ticket. I might also point out that the site's mods and admins don't elect ORG members although they have a vote. The membership does. The owners and admins have never vetoed a voted in member, either.



Totally false. The only people banned have been through the infraction process or they tried to use the board to spam members and promote commercial interests. And the old Germany thing is an asinine comment.



You can certainly discuss the games afterward. If there aren't any post game threads then start one up and post your comments.



Very simple. Make great posts in the SunDeck and you'll become a member of the ORG. As for ORG's terrible posts there are some for sure. And if they are rude, baiting, or attacking they get docked points, too.



1300 or 130 doesn't matter. It's quality. Are there a few posters in SD who should be in ORG? Yes. And in time they'll be there. But a lot of posts might mean just a lot of noise, too. As for your Edmonds comment. Good for the mods. If you consider that word "borderline" I disagree. It's filth. Not everyone wants to tolerate filth just because it's alright by you.



If they feel like I do reading this, they can't help it.



Confident wasn't really what came to mind when I read this...


I'm not going to even take the time to write out a response to all this that you've blabbered out. Honestly, it's not worth it and I can tell it wouldn't do any good. You don't want to see it any way but yours. Good day.

[EddieMilner]

I didn't get either of these messages. :confused:

I wrote to you on the Sun Deck & Game Threads on 5-9-08 at 1:47 PM.

I was incorrect that I had sent you a PM twice. The other one was sent to Joseph on 4-17-08 at 9:22 AM. I received no reply to either.

Sorry I said you received two PMs when it was only, one. I was mistaken on that after checking.

[Boss-Hog]

I understand why some are frustrated that they can not participate in the game threads, but when we implemented that policy, we made it extraordanarily clear from day one that the decision was made 1). after much consideration and 2). was not going to change for reasons GIK, I and other moderators have posted ad nauseum since the change was made.

[Boss-Hog]

I'm not going to even take the time to write out a response to all this that you've blabbered out. Honestly, it's not worth it and I can tell it wouldn't do any good. You don't want to see it any way but yours. Good day.
Do you have anything constructive to add to this board? As someone else already pointed out, if you are even half as unhappy as you claim to be, no one's forcing you to visit here.

[redsfan1966]

After the separation of posters--I was first insulted; but did eventually got over it. There is no better message board than this one to discuss our Redlegs. As far as ORG vs. Sun Deck; I'm ok with the current system--the chat is a nice feature for game discussion--I even had an ORG member at the Columbus carvan stop mention he would try to "rep" me for ORG status--I told him thanks, but dont even bother....I'm cool as is...

[Joseph]

I wrote to you on the Sun Deck & Game Threads on 5-9-08 at 1:47 PM.

I was incorrect that I had sent you a PM twice. The other one was sent to Joseph on 4-17-08 at 9:22 AM. I received no reply to either.

Sorry I said you received two PMs when it was only, one. I was mistaken on that after checking.

Eddie, my apologies.

I closed the thread you PMed about because I felt it was a bit of a 'Haha! ORG sucks!' more than anything else. Just my personal opinion on it overall, and the board is divided enough [as evidenced by the piling on that has happened in this thread] and I didn't want more fodder to keep a breach growing.

[Ghosts of 1990]

Do you have anything constructive to add to this board? As someone else already pointed out, if you are even half as unhappy as you claim to be, no one's forcing you to visit here.

Like I said I really don't want any trouble at all. IMO this is the best message board for Reds baseball on the entire net, I'm glad to have found it and finally figured out how to get a screen name. I just wwas echoing sentiments I thought others were too.

Apologize if what I said was taken the wrong way. I'm not trying to step on any toes.

[Scott Botkins]

I've thought about opening one up, I could make it pretty sweet too. I run bengalswhodey.com already but it doesn't have a message board, I have the vbulletin software which this site uses but I'm using it on my new website gtavg.com. But I do find it a little weird we have to reach a certian level to talk about the games as I thought that was the point of this forum lol.

[snowstorm]

Here's another message board you guys might want to try:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=262&F=2079#s=262&f=2079

This is part of the scout.com network. I've found their boards to be pretty good.