Reds @ Dodgers: 5-20-2008

[paintmered]

NO. CINCINNATI LOS ANGELES
1. C. Patterson, CF J. Pierre, LF
2. P. Janish, SS A. Ethier, RF
3. K. Griffey Jr., RF R. Martin, C
4. B. Phillips, 2B J. Kent, 2B
5. A. Dunn, LF J. Loney, 1B
6. E. Encarnacion, 3B M. Kemp, CF
7. J. Votto, 1B B. DeWitt, 3B
8. D. Ross, C C. Hu, SS
9. M. Belisle, P C. Billingsley, P

[RedlegJake]

Yanish at SS! LA's lineup is not at all scary. At least Belisle has a chance for a good start. Hopefully the Reds are patient with Billingsley - could see a lot of Ks tonight.

[NC Reds]

5-7 is much stronger than 1-3. Makes perfect sense to me.

[Joseph]

5-7 is much stronger than 1-3. Makes perfect sense to me.

In which line up? :D

[SirFelixCat]

at the game. hope belisle keeps us in the game tonight!

[AmarilloRed]

I hope we see Janish starting at SS for many games to come.

[RedlegJake]

I hope we see Janish starting at SS for many games to come.

Me too. I'd like to see if he can play everyday. His minor numbers don't inspre cofidence but he was having a good year. With his glove anything above a .700 OPS would be good enough, imo.

[RedlegJake]

Are you decked out properly in Red Sir Felix?

[redsmetz]

Hu's on short??? Where's Abbot & Costello when you need them!

[NC Reds]

This just in: Corey Patterson is a poor hitter.

[reds44]

Curious as to how long Walt will allow the Corey Patterson expierence to go on.

A 1-2 of Patterson and Janish is about as bad as you can get.

[NC Reds]

Griff may be warming up. Sharp single.

[RedlegJake]

Curious as to how long Walt will allow the Corey Patterson expierence to go on.

A 1-2 of Patterson and Janish is about as bad as you can get.

Trading him away from Dusty is about he only way to end it

[RedlegJake]

BP K's. Here comes Matt

[GoReds]

Even a blind squirrel...

Matt's due for a good showing.

[NC Reds]

Nice catch by Corey. If he had not hesitated he would have caught it standing.

[redsrule2500]

Eesh Belisle not looking so good, both balls hammered...

[Falls City Beer]

The guy who managed the Yankees to like four billion World Championships has Pierre batting leadoff.

[OnBaseMachine]

The guy who managed the Yankees to like four billion World Championships has Pierre batting leadoff.

I don't like him as a player, but at least Pierre has a respectable .361 OBP this year and .348 for his career compared to Patterson's sub .300 OBP.

[reds44]

The guy who managed the Yankees to like four billion World Championships has Pierre batting leadoff.
Pierre has a .361 OBP and 17 SBs already this year.

You could do a lot worse then that.

[redsrule2500]

at the game. hope belisle keeps us in the game tonight!

haha you did what I was afraid to do....post on redszone during the game and feel like a huge loser lol

[WebScorpion]

IMO that's a pretty good defense...if you replaced Griffey with Bruce, it would be average to above average defensively at every position. The hitting is another story.
Chavez Ravine is so big Belisle may be able to keep them in the yard. :thumbup:

[RedlegJake]

haha you did what I was afraid to do....post on redszone during the game and feel like a huge loser lol

I don't understand that at all...guess I must be old and just don't care

[redsrule2500]

Everyone see that SLUG% of all the positions in the lineup?? Our #3 is .150 lower than the league average...terrible... :(

[KronoRed]

Well that certainly didn't look like a strike.

[reds44]

This could be a long evening for the Redlegs.

[redsrule2500]

I don't understand that at all...guess I must be old and just don't care

I was under the impression he is currently at the game posting from his phone/PDA. I was at the Reds game on Sunday, and I checked the RedsZone gamethread a couple of times on my phone. I was tempted to put in my input while at the game, but I decided against it:p:

[RedlegJake]

4 Ks just 30 pitches for Chad. He'll go 7 at this pace unless they start making him work.

[RedFanAlways1966]

This could be a long evening for the Redlegs.

Ya never know. I am sure many Dodgers fans felt that way about their team last night after the first three innings. But we (REDS fans) have been there, done that many times this year already. Ugh!

[WebScorpion]

This could be a long evening for the Redlegs.

Yea, Billingsley is pitching much better than Penny at the moment. Reds will need to manufacture some runs and play solid defense. They can do it, but WILL they?

[redsrule2500]

Belisle is getting hammered, almost every ball is getting smashed...

[RedlegJake]

I was under the impression he is currently at the game posting from his phone/PDA. I was at the Reds game on sunday, and I checked the RedsZone gamethread a couple of times on my phone. I was tempted to put in my input while at the game, but I decided against it:p:

I had the impression of him sitting there with his laptop on his knees and a bitty satellite dish on a beanie...the PDA thing makes sense but since I own neither cell or PDA I didn't even think of that

Told you...OLD

[toledodan]

Belisle is getting hammered, almost every ball is getting smashed...



there is no sane reason to keep running him out there every 5th day.:thumbdown

[RedlegJake]

Matt still thinks the pitch to contact mantra is alive unfortunately...
he's become very good at it

[WebScorpion]

First 2 batters single, leaving runners at 1st and 3rd with Matt Kemp up.

[reds44]

I'm not sure I've seen a Reds pitcher give up more hits than Matt Belisle does.

[AmarilloRed]

there is no sane reason to keep running him out there every 5th day.:thumbdown

Who else is there? Certainly not Fogg or Bailey at this point.

[RedFanAlways1966]

That hit by Loney makes me wonder why 1st basemen don't go back-and-sideways while the pitcher is delivering the pitch. The go straight towards 2nd base when holding a runner. I guess you might lose a foot or two of covergae to your righthand side... geometry.

[OnBaseMachine]

Nice play by Edwin. Unfortunately Ross is terrible. Poor, poor defense continues.

[toledodan]

the reds defense strikes again.

[GoReds]

MLB has the pitch-by-pitch going. Unless it's broken, Matt has thrown only one offspeed pitch (slider) and the rest fastballs to every batter.

[reds44]

Wow, Ross just dropped that ball.

[RedFanAlways1966]

A catcher that cannot catch. Great. Not simple, but should be made.

[redsrule2500]

Geez, this is terrible.

[NC Reds]

Ross should have caught that.

[KronoRed]

This is going well.

Nice play by Edwin, he didn't have a shot at the guy at 1st considering where his momentum was going.

[MWM]

That was a great play by EE that Ross dropped.

[RedlegJake]

Ross is pulling a LaRue and getting worse every season instead of better

[reds44]

David Ross, another fine extension handed out by Wayne Krivsky.

Oh yeah, Paul Janish is a defensive whizz too.

[MasonBuzz3]

Ross is the worst catcher I have ever seen with plays at the plate

[toledodan]

Who else is there? Certainly not Fogg or Bailey at this point.



there must be someone down at AA or AAA that is better at this point. at the rate belise is going this game will be over after the second inning.

[OnBaseMachine]

That was a tough play for any SS.

[PuffyPig]

Instead of 1 out, runners on first and second, with a chance to get out of the inning, it's one run in, runners on second and third.

Huge play at this stage.

[MWM]

Ross is pulling a LaRue and getting worse every season instead of better

Larue got much better defensively througout his time in Cincy I thought. His last few years in Cincy, he was a fine defensive catcher.

[reds44]

That was a tough play for any SS.
And when you have a career minor league batting average of .240, it's one you have to make.

If he's not going to make that play, he does not have much of any value.

[MWM]

Two poor plays by Ross. His head is not in the game.

[redsrule2500]

Was that on purpose? (VOTTO?)

[WebScorpion]

MLB has the pitch-by-pitch going. Unless it's broken, Matt has thrown only one offspeed pitch (slider) and the rest fastballs to every batter.

Was just noticing that myself, the Gametracker says he threw Matt Kemp 5 92mph fastballs in a row. My first thought was "Who's calling this game?"
Is Belisle shaking Ross off or is Ross calling for these pitches?

[OnBaseMachine]

And when you have a career minor league batting average of .240, it's one you have to make.

If he's not going to make that play, he does not have much of any value.

Do what?!?

[KronoRed]

Nice avoidance of the base by Votto.

Pitcher makes it all irrelevant.

[reds44]

That play actually worked out better for the Reds. The runner would have been safe at home because there would have been no force.

[Cedric]

I just don't know how Dusty can continue to run Matt out there. I think this is the end.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Geez, Belisle puts the ball on a tee for the pitcher.

[RedlegJake]

Larue got much better defensively througout his time in Cincy I thought. His last few years in Cincy, he was a fine defensive catcher.

I never thought so. He never blocked the plate well, gave up passed balls and his throwing arm was excellent but he got less accurate -and like Ross his bat disappeared.

[toledodan]

2-0 dodgers. dodger's anouncer ripping the reds poor defense.

[NC Reds]

Vin Scully is an idiot. He makes me appreciate Grande.

[CTA513]

It shouldn't take many runs to beat the Reds tonight unless Billingsley gets wild.

[Cedric]

And when you have a career minor league batting average of .240, it's one you have to make.

If he's not going to make that play, he does not have much of any value.

Are you talking about the blooper play? You honestly don't expect Janish to fly like Superman do you?

[Heath]

And when you have a career minor league batting average of .240, it's one you have to make.

If he's not going to make that play, he does not have much of any value.

He's been in the major leagues, how long?? A week??

Yikes, wait until Jay Bruce goes 2 for his first 30. You're (plural form) going to be sending him to pasture!

[MWM]

I never thought so. He never blocked the plate well, gave up passed balls and his throwing arm was excellent but he got less accurate -and like Ross his bat disappeared.

I think that was more perception he created from when he came up. He had very few PBs his last few years. I thought his improvement was significant.

[RedlegJake]

Now Matt can't get the pitcher out.

[reds44]

Are you talking about the blooper play? You honestly don't expect Janish to fly like Superman do you?
Fly like Superman?

The ball one hopped and hit him in the chest.

[Tony Cloninger]

How is he an idiot.....this defense does suck.

Votto seems a little lost at the plate and field....he just not looked good at all in the last week.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Two force outs at home in the inning. You do not see that very often in MLB. Little league, yes... and some of the defense in this inning is a bit little league-ish as well.

[MasonBuzz3]

Vin Scully is an idiot. He makes me appreciate Grande.

I'm hearing Scully tell it like it is, you can't give major league baseball teams extra outs

[RedlegJake]

I think that was more perception he created from he came. He had very few PBs his last few years. I thought his improvement was significant.

You are probaly right -I just never liked him so my perception IS skewed.

[OnBaseMachine]

He's been in the major leagues, how long?? A week??

Yikes, wait until Jay Bruce goes 2 for his first 30. You're (plural form) going to be sending him to pasture!

Yep. That's the only thing I dread when the Reds callup Bruce - how the fans will act when he goes in a slump.

[flyer85]

seems like it may be the end for Belisle as a starter

[reds44]

4 balls hit in the infield this inning have resulted in two outs so far.

[Tony Cloninger]

Key up the Kinks song for Janish.

[KronoRed]

Considering how often this inning the bases were loaded it's pretty good to get out with only 2 given up.

[redsrule2500]

How is he an idiot.....this defense does suck.

Votto seems a little lost at the plate and field....he just not looked good at all in the last week.

He looked pretty good on Sunday, with a 2 run homer off of Cliff Lee...

[reds44]

Yep. That's the only thing I dread when the Reds callup Bruce - how the fans will act when he goes in a slump.
Are we actually comparing Paul Janish to Jay Bruce?

Jay Bruce actually....you know, has the talent to hit a baseball. Janish's one and only talent is defense. He has to be nearly flawless to have any value.

[MWM]

Fly like Superman?

The ball one hopped and hit him in the chest.

That was definitely not a routine play. Those types of hops are tricky, even for good defenders.

[toledodan]

very fortunate to only give up 2 runs that inning. the reds need to hit the ball this inning. bottom of the order coming up. OUCH!

[MasonBuzz3]

Considering how often this inning the bases were loaded it's pretty good to get out with only 2 given up.

could have easily been 4 or 5 runs, not too bad of damage control by belisle

[Heath]

Vin Scully is an idiot. He makes me appreciate Grande.

That's a sentence I'd thought I'd never see the words "Scully" and "Grande" in the same sentence.

[reds44]

That was definitely not a routine play. Those types of hops are tricky, even for good defenders.
It's one I expect a defensive specialist like Janish to make.

[NC Reds]

Maybe I saw it wrong but I thought Votto hit the bag with his foot as he was throwing home and the ump missed it.

[Tony Cloninger]

1 AB is not a week......i am talking about his fielding and hitting...which besides that HR has not looked good. It's just a slump.....but he looks a little slow during this last week.

[RedlegJake]

That's a sentence I'd thought I'd never see the words "Scully" and "Grande" in the same sentence.

I never thought I'd see "appreciate" "Grande" in the same sentence

[AmarilloRed]

there must be someone down at AA or AAA that is better at this point. at the rate belise is going this game will be over after the second inning.

There's Maloney and Lehr at AAA. Jukich and Thompson at AA. They might not do any better than Belisle

[MWM]

It's one I expect a defensive specialist like Janish to make.

Ozzie Smith himself would have missed his share of those. They aren't easy, no matter good you are at defense. I played a lot of SS in my day and I can tell you, those types of balls coming at you that hop close to you with a lot of spin on the ball are difficult. It's hard to know how it's going to come off the ground.

[reds44]

Maybe I saw it wrong but I thought Votto hit the bag with his foot as he was throwing home and the ump missed it.
The runner would have been safe at home because the force would have been gone though.

[boognish]

Maybe I saw it wrong but I thought Votto hit the bag with his foot as he was throwing home and the ump missed it.

FSN-OH had a good angle on the replay and showed Votto stopped just short of the bag.

[Tony Cloninger]

I thought he got it also and wondered why Ross was not tagging out the runner.

Some people want to get rid of Bako ASAP.....and I know he will look like castro soon enough but his defense is so much better than Ross and Valentin...that you better have someone ready to deal with that aspect when/if he is traded beacuse his value is so high right now....or as high as it can be for someone like Bako.

[RedlegJake]

Actually I thought Matt should have been out of that inning - defense and some bad luck. He looked worse in the 1-2-3 first.

[toledodan]

belise can't even get a good bunt down.

[Heath]

Are we actually comparing Paul Janish to Jay Bruce?

Jay Bruce actually....you know, has the talent to hit a baseball. Janish's one and only talent is defense. He has to be nearly flawless to have any value.

well, Jay Bruce is going to have to field a baseball at somepoint too.

Just remember, if Janish looks that bad, imagine how Hairston/Keppinger would have looked trying to field that ball.

Einstein didn't realize he was Einstein when he was in High School Chemistry class.

[redsrule2500]

Ya PATTERSON!! First pitch swinging.

[flyer85]

Yep. That's the only thing I dread when the Reds callup Bruce - how the fans will act when he goes in a slump.after Corey I ain't gonna be complainin'.

[MWM]

The runner would have been safe at home because the force would have been gone though.

Well, David Ross had plenty of time to put down a tag.

[MWM]

That was actually a pretty good bunt by Belisle. If the 1B is sitting there waiting on it and makes a bang bang play, nothing can be done. That's the problem when the whole world knwos you're bunting.

[REDREAD]

Yep. That's the only thing I dread when the Reds callup Bruce - how the fans will act when he goes in a slump.

He'll be treated ok until he starts making big money. Then all the problems of the ballclub will be blamed on him.. just like Larkin, Jr, Dunn.. Cincinnati Reds.. the power of tradition. :lol:

[MWM]

Ya PATTERSON!! First pitch swinging.

That pitch was a fastball right down the middle of the plate. He absolutely shoudl have swung. He actually hit it pretty hard, just right at the CF.

[Heath]

It's one I expect a defensive specialist like Janish to make.

Well, prepare yourself for multiple failures.

99% of all major league shortstops couldn't make that play. And even some who are dead couldn't make that play.

[PuffyPig]

Ya PATTERSON!! First pitch swinging.

He let the first 2 pitches go by his first AB and was quickly 0-2.

Baseball is a little more difficult that taking the first pitch for a ball.

The first pitch is often a strike.

[OnBaseMachine]

Another good atbat by Janish. He makes the pitcher work everytime.

[NC Reds]

Janish has played well since his call up. A blip or two has not changed that.

[RedlegJake]

Nice AB for Janish. He sees a lot of pitches.

[RedlegJake]

Janish has played well since his call up. A blip or two has not changed that.

I agree.

[PuffyPig]

Well, prepare yourself for multiple failures.

99% of all major league shortstops couldn't make that play. And even some who are dead couldn't make that play.

I think that none of the dead SS's could make that play.

Except maybe Bernie, but only if the game was played on the weekend.

[boognish]

Are people going to be displeased with Janish if he is just a "plus" defensive SS? League average? What are the expectations?

I am pleasantly surprised by how many pitches he sees; we shall see if he keeps it up.

[Joseph]

Junior got one. Wow.

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice catch by Junior

[NC Reds]

Time to bring the pain. Heart of the order coming up, such as it is.

[RedlegJake]

1-2-3 inning for Matt.

[flyer85]

getting into the Dodger pen really isn't an advantage on most nights

[Tony Cloninger]

It's good that Janish works the count like he does...but how long before the hits don't fall in and he becomes impatient and goes up there hacking?

Of course people will blame Baker for making him do that.......but sometimes i think hitters will do that just to mess up the book pitchers have on them.

[REDREAD]

I thought he got it also and wondered why Ross was not tagging out the runner.

Some people want to get rid of Bako ASAP.....and I know he will look like castro soon enough but his defense is so much better than Ross and Valentin...that you better have someone ready to deal with that aspect when/if he is traded beacuse his value is so high right now....or as high as it can be for someone like Bako.

I agree with you here. Our catching is nothing to brag about, but Bako is probably the best all around, and yes that takes into consideration that his offense is going to vanish.

Ross and Valentine are much bigger liabilities.

Other than 2b, Wayne left us with holes all the way up the middle. Not a good way to build a contending ballclub.

[MWM]

Griffey is 4 for his last 10.

[KronoRed]

Gave that one a nice ride, out in our park.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kemp robs Junior at the wall in center.

[fearofpopvol1]

I said it last night and will again...that Matt Kemp sure would look good in a Reds uniform.

[guttle11]

Junior might just get #600 on the next homestand. He's close to being dialed in. Hopefully it can last a few weeks.

[MWM]

Jr. is really starting to hit the ball hard. He's due to go on a tear.

[MWM]

Wow, that pitch to Phillips was WAY outside.

[REDREAD]

Good night all. .Bring home a win for the Reds :)

[NC Reds]

This ump has an enlarged strike zone.

[flyer85]

Griffey is 4 for his last 10.problem is he has turned into a singles hitter

[MWM]

problem is he has turned into a singles hitter

Nah, he's starting to see the ball. He'll start hitting for power soon enough. Even power hitters hit singles some times.

[OnBaseMachine]

Nice play by Janish. That's a single with Hairston at SS.;)

[reds44]

Belisle has started to get into a groove.

[flyer85]

Jrs IsoP is barely over 100

[MWM]

That will change.

[WebScorpion]

Belisle has started to get into a groove.
Seems more like the defense is settling down. They're still hitting it hard, but the defense is handling them.:thumbup:

[reds44]

Vin, I love you, but his name isn't Edgar.

[AmarilloRed]

Bottom of the 5th.

[WebScorpion]

EE pops out to SS.
Votto called out on strikes after a full count.
Ross singles
and Belisle hits into a fielder's choice, Ross out at 2nd.

After 5 and a half Reds 0 - Blues 2

[NC Reds]

Juan Pierre is Omar Moreno's lovechild. Same skillset.

[MWM]

Belisle has looked good tonight.

[WebScorpion]

Billingsley called out on strikes.
Pierre grounds out to 2nd.
Ethier grounds out to SS.

1-2-3 inning for Belisle. :thumbup:

Still 2-0 Blues

[AmarilloRed]

Juan Pierre is Omar Moreno's lovechild. Same skillset.

I am actually old enough to remember Omar Moreno. Good basestealer for the Pirates.

[OnBaseMachine]

This is possibly a scoreless game right now if Ross catches that throw from EdE.

[WebScorpion]

Belisle has looked good tonight.

Does he have a change up? He's only thrown 2 pitches all night FB and Slider and even the Slider has only been about 5% of the time.

[NC Reds]

Corey gets a hit. I want a hit and run here.

[Heath]

I am actually old enough to remember Omar Moreno. Good basestealer for the Pirates.

Loved his wife Rita Moreno on Crosswits.

[flyer85]

you don't bunt down two in the 6th chris

[WebScorpion]

Corey Patterson leads off with the Reds 4th hit of the night. :thumbup:

[OnBaseMachine]

Please don't bunt here. He's already in scoring position.

[NC Reds]

Purists rejoice. Janish with a productive out. Nice bat control.

[reds44]

Junior has to get Corey home.

[WebScorpion]

Come on Junior...see the ball, hit the ball...just like the Big Doggie always said.

[OnBaseMachine]

Patterson singled, stole 2nd. Janish moves him over with a groundout.

Griffey walks. 1st and 3rd with one out for Phillips. Have to score at least one here.

[NC Reds]

Just don't hit into a Casey, Brandon.

[RedsManRick]

"Hey kid, give him a steady diet of offspeed stuff off the plate and he'll give you a double play ball to 2B."

[NC Reds]

Poop.

[OnBaseMachine]

Double play. Unbelievable.

RMR called it.

[AmarilloRed]

Didn't Philips have 20+ GIDP last year?

[flyer85]

Phillips never saw a strike in that AB, got himself out and the game is OVER

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Doesn't really make sense to try to manufacture a run when you have the wrong guy hitting 4th (against a RHP).

Oh well.

[MWM]

This is the problem with BP's free swinging. A pitcher knows they they can get him to swing at something low with a guy on first base. They know he's not going to stay off too many pitches.

[WebScorpion]

Phillips never saw a strike in that AB, got himself out and the game is OVER

Maybe for you. Where I come from, we play 9. :rolleyes:

[flyer85]

Billingsley pitched around Jr (who had hit the ball hard twice) because he knew he could get Phillips chasing the slider

[RedsManRick]

It's not rocket science. BP chases nearly everything away against right handed pitchers. It's just that nobody in the booth ever feels like talking about it. Too busy talking about how awesome he is to point out that his bat is replacement level versus righties.

[flyer85]

Maybe for you. Where I come from, we play 9. :rolleyes:Broxton and Saito and the rest of the Dodger pen mean you had better be ahead after 6

[KronoRed]

Just don't hit into a Casey, Brandon.

It should be renamed the Phillips

[OnBaseMachine]

Another nice play by Janish. Those are balls that have been creeping into CF with Hairston at SS.

[flyer85]

It's not rocket science. BP chases nearly everything away against right handed pitchers. It's just that nobody in the booth ever feels like talking about it. Too busy talking about how awesome he is to point out that his bat is replacement level versus righties.if the pitcher can make the pitches he can get Phillips out without throwing a strike

[reds44]

The Reds just can't get out of their own way out west. That's a run Phillips has to pick up.

[Highlifeman21]

Didn't Philips have 20+ GIDP last year?

He hit into 26 Phillips last year.

Only walked 33 times.

Chew on that for a lil while...

[reds44]

13 in a row set down by Matt.

[flyer85]

That's a run Phillips has to pick up.Phillips will always be a hacker which means he can always be pitched to

[reds44]

13 in a row set down by Matt.
My bad.

[Highlifeman21]

It should be renamed the Phillips

We already renamed the Casey the Phillips in the offseason.

At least he just made a great play to end the inning.

[OnBaseMachine]

Awesome play by Phillips to save a run.

2-0 Dodgers after 6.

[flyer85]

I don't mind that Phillips hit into a DP, it happens. What bothers me is that with one strike he swung at a slider 6 inches off the plate to do it.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

BP makes up for his DP. Still down by 2.

[reds44]

Holy crap what a play by Phillips.

[MWM]

Not many 2B get to that ball.

[Highlifeman21]

BP makes up for his DP. Still down by 2.

I wouldn't go that far....

Making a good defensive play that probably saved one run doesn't make up for his DP ending the inning.

At least in my book it doesn't.

Now I expect Dunn to either hit a rally killing solo HR, strike out looking, or walk on no more than 5 pitches.

Any takers?

[RedlegJake]

Belisle 83 pitches 66 strikes. That's pounding the zone.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn walks to begin the 7th.

[NC Reds]

Good AB by Dunn. Rally time.

[reds44]

Belisle 83 pitches 66 strikes. That's pounding the zone.
Make them hit it. He should do the same thing in San Diego. Take advantage of your yard.

[reds44]

I wouldn't go that far....

Making a good defensive play that probably saved one run doesn't make up for his DP ending the inning.

At least in my book it doesn't.

Now I expect Dunn to either hit a rally killing solo HR, strike out looking, or walk on no more than 5 pitches.

Any takers?
Win.

[reds44]

Vin his name is Edwin not Edgar.

[toledodan]

Belisle 83 pitches 66 strikes. That's pounding the zone.



pounding the zone but getting hit very hard. got to give him credit for keeping us in the game.

[WebScorpion]

I wouldn't go that far....

Making a good defensive play that probably saved one run doesn't make up for his DP ending the inning.

At least in my book it doesn't.

Now I expect Dunn to either hit a rally killing solo HR, strike out looking, or walk on no more than 5 pitches.

Any takers?
Exactly 5. ;)

[OnBaseMachine]

Edwin pops out and Votto flies out. Both of those guys are slumping right now.

[toledodan]

Vin his name is Edwin not Edgar.




the way he's hitting it doesn't really matter does it? man he is struggling.

[AmarilloRed]

The defense has played well behind Belisle(with the exception of 1 inning).

[reds44]

the way he's hitting it doesn't really matter does it? man he he struggling.
He's Edwin. Is anybody surprised? He can carry an offense for a month, and then look like garbage for a few weeks.

[WebScorpion]

Edwin pops out and Votto flies out. Both of those guys are slumping right now.

Ross is 2-for-2 tonight...

[OnBaseMachine]

I don't see the Reds winning this one tonight, but win tomorrow night and take three of four in San Diego and it's a great roadtrip. Even 3-4 isn't an awful roadtrip considering it's a west coast swing.

[OnBaseMachine]

Ross smokes a line drive to left but right at Pierre. Inning over.

[toledodan]

He's Edwin. Is anybody surprised? He can carry an offense for a month, and then look like garbage for a few weeks.



he has all the tools but never seems to keep it going.

[MWM]

pounding the zone but getting hit very hard. got to give him credit for keeping us in the game.


He hasn't got hit that hard at all with the exception of the first inning. A couple of the balls last inning were hit somewhat hard, but he's actually LOOKED quite good most of the night. The hitters have been off balance and not a lot of balls have been hit on the screws.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Pretty darn typical with this team that a 6-game winning streak would precede a west coast trip.

[Highlifeman21]

With all the prop bets I've seen @ the various sportsbooks in Vegas this week, I figured the 3 options I gave for Dunn were even money.

Not Big Brown 1-5 money, but still a safe bet.

[RedlegJake]

I don't see the Reds winning this one tonight, but win tomorrow night and take three of four in San Diego and it's a great roadtrip. Even 3-4 isn't an awful roadtrip considering it's a west coast swing.

The problem is I'm seeing them play the way they were before the 6 game ws. Bats asleep, no timely hits, bad defense, bad base running, making the pitching look worse than it is and wasting a good pitching effort. Right now I'd jump all over a 3-4 trip.

[toledodan]

He hasn't got hit that hard at all with the exception of the first inning. A couple of the balls last inning were hit somewhat hard, but he's actually LOOKED quite good most of the night. The hitters have been off balance and not a lot of balls have been hit on the screws.

somewhat hard?

[OnBaseMachine]

He hasn't got hit that hard at all with the exception of the first inning. A couple of the balls last inning were hit somewhat hard, but he's actually LOOKED quite good most of the night. The hitters have been off balance and not a lot of balls have been hit on the screws.

Yep. This is most likely a 0-0 game if Ross catches that throw from Edwin.

[MWM]

I would have pulled Belisle. His pitches started to look flat last inning and he lost some of his pop.

Note: I started to type this before the leadoff single.

[flyer85]

dusty better get him out of there

[BuckeyeRedleg]

The problem is I'm seeing them play the way they were before the 6 game ws. Bats asleep, no timely hits, bad defense, bad base running, making the pitching look worse than it is and wasting a good pitching effort. Right now I'd jump all over a 3-4 trip.

I'll take 2-5 at this point.

[Highlifeman21]

Looks like Belisle's night is over.

[RedlegJake]

He hasn't got hit that hard at all with the exception of the first inning. A couple of the balls last inning were hit somewhat hard, but he's actually LOOKED quite good most of the night. The hitters have been off balance and not a lot of balls have been hit on the screws.

I completely agree. Matt looks like a pitcher tonight.

[Highlifeman21]

Bill Bray, welcome to LA.

[toledodan]

The problem is I'm seeing them play the way they were before the 6 game ws. Bats asleep, no timely hits, bad defense, bad base running, making the pitching look worse than it is and wasting a good pitching effort. Right now I'd jump all over a 3-4 trip.



i would take 3-4 or 4-3 in a second. lets hope san diego doesn't get hot before thursday.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang, Volquez, Arroyo, and Belisle are the scheduled starters in the Padres series. Jake Peavy went on the DL so the Reds will miss him...the Reds have a legit shot at three of four in that series.

[VR]

Well, you have to be happy with a 6 inning/ 2 earnie(3 at worst)/ 0 walk effort from your #5 starter.

[OnBaseMachine]

BTW if/when the Padres begin unloading players, Heath Bell is a guy I'd like the Reds to target.

[OnBaseMachine]

Pierre just throws the bat at the ball and singles in a run. That wasn't a bad pitch either.

[OnBaseMachine]

Pierre steals 2nd. A good throw gets him.

[OnBaseMachine]

Check swing infield single for Ethier. It's just not the Reds night.

[MWM]

Babip at work this inning.

[OnBaseMachine]

I have to get up at 7:30 tomorrow morning to get an abscessed tooth pulled. Fun.

[AmarilloRed]

Jared Burton in.

[RedlegJake]

I think I'll finally know this team is on its way when they go to the west coast and pull out a winning record. I'd be curious if the Reds aren't the worst team in the NL from St. Louis east when it comes to west coast road trips.

[OnBaseMachine]

Martin grounds into a FC. 4-0 Dodgers.

[VR]

Martin grounds into a FC. 4-0 Dodgers.

a flailing swing, an excuse me half swing and a broken bat result in two runs

[toledodan]

I have to get up at 7:30 tomorrow morning to get an abscessed tooth pulled. Fun.



good luck. :beerme: hope everything goes well.

[OnBaseMachine]

good luck. :beerme: hope everything goes well.

Thanks.

Kent grounds into a FC.

4-0 Dodgers after 7.

[VR]

I have to get up at 7:30 tomorrow morning to get an abscessed tooth pulled. Fun.

they could drill to your jawbone w/ no novacaine, pull it out w/ a rusty pliers, and fill it with cane sugar and it wouldn't be as painful as being a Reds fan the last 8 years. :)

[toledodan]

I think I'll finally know this team is on its way when they go to the west coast and pull out a winning record. I'd be curious if the Reds aren't the worst team in the NL from St. Louis east when it comes to west coast road trips.


i agree 100%! i'm curious when the reds last had a winning west coast trip?

[OnBaseMachine]

Broxton gets Hatteberg to groundout and Patterson and Janish to flyout.

[CTA513]

The Reds threw away yesterdays game and are about to get shutout today.

That 6 game winning streak is about to go to waste after this road trip.

[reds44]

i agree 100%! i'm curious when the reds last had a winning west coast trip?
They went there in 2005 and split with L.A. and swept San Diego for a 5-2 road trip. I'm not sure if that's the last time they had a winning West Coast trip, but it is the last time they won in L.A.

[VR]

Marty going on about the Dodgers executing tonight while the Reds haven't.

Reminds me of the John McKay quote when asked about his team's (Tampa) execution

"I'm in favor of it"

[OnBaseMachine]

Josh Fogg in to pitch for the first time since May 4th in Atlanta.

Popout to EdE. 1 out.

[AmarilloRed]

Fogg was not a successful starter, he could still work as a reliever.

[OnBaseMachine]

Kemp flies out to Dunn.

[OnBaseMachine]

Popout to Janish. 1-2-3 8th inning for Fogg.

4-0 Dodgers after 8.

[OnBaseMachine]

Joe Beimel on to pitch the 9th.

[Kc61]

They went there in 2005 and split with L.A. and swept San Diego for a 5-2 road trip. I'm not sure if that's the last time they had a winning West Coast trip, but it is the last time they won in L.A.

So Reds didn't win in LA in either of the last two seasons, and have apparently lost both games this year. Great.

[VR]

Reds overlooking Beimel's peripherals to make him look like a .60 era pitcher this series.

[KronoRed]

A little life here in the 9th.

[RedsManRick]

Save situation. Time to bring in the closer! If I were a dog I'd be sayin' "hey tail, stop wagging me".

[reds44]

Well, it's not over yet.

Need to get 1 more guy on.

[CTA513]

The Reds at least made the Dodgers waste their closer tonight.

[AmarilloRed]

Did Brandon get a double? I see a runner on second with Edwin up. The shutout is spoiled; 4-1 Reds.

[flyer85]

Did Brandon get a double? I see a runner on second with Edwin up. The shutout is spoiled; 4-1 Reds.LOL ... BP got himself out by swinging at two more balls

[CTA513]

Did Brandon get a double? I see a runner on second with Edwin up. The shutout is spoiled; 4-1 Reds.

Dunn singled then took 2nd.

[redsrule2500]

Make him Pitch Freel!

[VR]

good for EE, something to build on.

Can anyone imagine if there was acutually more than one or two Reds hitting consistently instead of these incredible feast or famine streaks?
Still good promise for the season if the boys can get a bit more consistent

[RedlegJake]

Dunn singled, took 2nd on defensive indifference and scored on EE's single

[RedlegJake]

Freel Ks. Thats the game.

[flyer85]

EE was still up there hacking at everything. Until some of the Reds hitters wait on better pitches to hit they will continue to be easy outs

[Ron Madden]

Has David Ross ever tagged a runner out at the plate?