Reds at Padres 5-22-08

[Tommyjohn25]

PADRES (17-31)

Randy Wolf (LHP 2-4, 5.05 ERA)
>Wolf turned in his best outing since May 1 when he faced the Mariners on May 17, allowing three earned runs over 6 1/3 innings with five strikeouts and one walk.

Gerut, CF
Iguchi, 2B
Giles, RF
Gonzalez, 1B
Kouzmanoff, 3B
Greene, SS
Hairston, LF
Carlin, C
Wolf, P

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REDS (21-26)

Aaron Harang (RHP 2-5, 3.12 ERA)
>In his 10 starts, the Reds have gone 5-5 and scored just 3.4 runs per game. Harang is 0-0 lifetime with a 1.00 ERA lifetime in one career game against the Padres.

Ryan Freel, CF
Paul Janish, SS
Ken Griffey Jr, RF
Brandon Phillips, 2B
Adam Dunn, LF
Edwin Encarnacion, 3B
Joey Votto, 1B
Paul Bako, C
Aaron Harang, P

[Joseph]

'bout the best group of players we currently have.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel lines a single to left

[Tommyjohn25]

Freel starts it out with a single. Nice start. He's having himself a nice season offensively.

[Cyclone792]

What's this, a leadoff hitter that's getting on base? When was this discovered? I never knew such a thing existed.

[WebScorpion]

I understand putting the right-handed center fielder in to face the lefty Wolf, but why stick with the left-handed catcher? I'm not saying it's wrong, just wondering how to justify it. To me, this says Dusty thinks Bako's game calling and defense are far superior to Ross...enough to justify the drop off in offense. That or Ross is just tired. :p:

[Reds Fanatic]

Janish strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[Tommyjohn25]

Does anyone else get sick of hearing the word "velocitized" from Welsh? Geez....

[Tom Servo]

If only Freel knew how to play SS and could do it compatently, it would solve a lot of problems.

[Tom Servo]

Finally! Junior!

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior homers to right center. #598! 2-0 Reds

[Tommyjohn25]

Hey!!! 598!!! :beerme:

[WebScorpion]

If only Freel knew how to play SS and could do it compatently, it would solve a lot of problems.

As long as we're wishing, could we have Jay Bruce be a superior defensive SS...that'd solve all our problems at once. :D

[reds44]

Hey! Gone!

598!

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips fouls out to 1st. 2 outs.

[corkedbat]

Junior off the schneid! WooHoo! 598 (200 as a Red)

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn grounds out to 1st. 2-0 Reds mid 1st.

[Tom Servo]

As long as we're wishing, could we have Jay Bruce be a superior defensive SS...that'd solve all our problems at once. :D
That's a good point. I was thinking Freel to SS would give him an everyday spot that gets his bat into the lineup and his glove out of the outfield, and opens up a spot for Bruce in center. Unfortunatly SS isn't one of Freel's versatilities.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gerut flies out to center. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Iguchi walks.

[Reds Fanatic]

Giles grounds into a 5-4-3 DP. 2-0 Reds after 1.

[PuffyPig]

Gerut's fly ball was a deep shot to CF, and might have gone out in Cincinnati.

Down 2-0 to the batter, Harang could afford to throw a sure strike (in San Diego) knowing that the ball park can save many a mistake.

Harang would have an ERA below 3 if he pitched half his games here.

[Reds Fanatic]

Encarnacion lines out to left. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto is out on a soft liner to 2nd. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bako strikes out looking. 2-0 Reds mid 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[corkedbat]

After banking on a big attendance draw for number 600, bet it would frost BCast's butt if KGJ got hot, found his stroke this series and hit 600 in San Diego. You might see Junior take a rest for a couple of days and find Bruce in RF for the rest of the series. LOL

[Reds Fanatic]

Kouzmanoff lines a single to center.

[WebScorpion]

They should have Belisle charting pitches for Harang. Maybe he'd notice that in 5 pitches Harang throws all 5 at a different speed. It's not just about location...if you vary speed AND location, it's exponentially harder to hit. Watch and learn, young pitchers. :thumbup:

[Reds Fanatic]

Greene strikes out swinging. 2 outs. 2 Ks for Harang.

[Tom Servo]

FWIW, the Padres DFA'ed former Red Justin Germano today.

[Reds Fanatic]

S. Hairston singles to right. 1st and 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Carlin strikes out swinging. 3 Ks for Harang. 2-0 Reds after 2.

[RedlegJake]

Falls behind 3-0 to Carlin and then fans him on 3 pitches.

[WebScorpion]

Falls behind 3-0 to Carlin and then fans him on 3 pitches.
Nice work. :clap:

[Reds Fanatic]

Harang strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[RedlegJake]

Harang fans. 1 down.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel strikes out looking. 2 outs. 4 Ks for Wolf.

[Reds Fanatic]

Janish grounds out to 3rd. 2-0 Reds mid 3rd.

[OnBaseMachine]

Nice to see Griff finally back on the board.

Man it's frustrating to watch Reds pitchers throw pitches right down the middle on 0-2 as Harang did to Hairston last inning.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wolf flies out to right. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gerut strikes out looking. 4 Ks for Harang. 2 outs.

[RedlegJake]

Gerut Ks.

[Reds Fanatic]

Iguchi bloops a single to center.

[RedlegJake]

Tadahito is a pest. Singles to center.

[redsrule2500]

Harang's pitch count getting up there...49 so far, 3-1 on giles

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang's command is off tonight.

[Reds Fanatic]

Giles walks. 1st and 2nd.

[RedlegJake]

Now he walks Giles.

[Edskin]

There is a decent chance that tonight's Padres lineup is the least intimidating I've ever seen. My God, that is just putrid. And with Peavy, Young, and Bard out and Hoffman looking older every day, I'd say the Pads are about to be in serious, serious rebuild mode.

No reason we shouldn't take 3 of 4 this weekend....

(You can thank me now for the kiss of death :) )

[Reds Freak]

Harang's command is off tonight.

It's strange, I think his mechanics look much better and much more consistent tonight yet he has walked a few and been in a lot of 3 ball counts. He does have the strikeout pitches working though...

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez strikes out swinging. 5 Ks for Harang. 2-0 Reds after 3.

[Reds Fanatic]

54 pitches for Harang through 3.

[RedlegJake]

5 Ks. 54 pitches 33
strikes.

[Falls City Beer]

Aaron's got his good fastball tonight, though, if not the best command.

[Cyclone792]

Brian Giles has some of the best plate discipline in all of baseball. I don't think that's necessarily a bad sign about Harang's command there; that's just a good eye from Giles doing what it does best.

[Edskin]

With that K to end the 3rd, Harang's ERA is now under 3.00-- I wonder when the last time two Reds starters were both under 3.00 this late into the season?

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior pops out to 3rd. 1 out.

[WebScorpion]

It's strange, I think his mechanics look much better and much more consistent tonight yet he has walked a few and been in a lot of 3 ball counts. He does have the strikeout pitches working though...
He appears to have full command at times and no command at other times...odd. On the Gonzalez K, he appeared to hit his spot on every pitch (even the 3rd one, which was a brush back) and reached for some extra on the 94mph strikeout pitch.

The walks have both come while he's trying to keep a runner close to 1st, like it's a concentration thing.

[RedlegJake]

At least Jr made Wolfe work a little bit. Just 42 pitches in 3.1 innings

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn with a broken bat single to right.

[OnBaseMachine]

Hopefully this won't be one of those nights where the offense scores a couple runs early on and then shuts it down for the rest of the night.

[Reds Fanatic]

Encarnacion strikes out looking. The pitch looked inside. 2-0 Reds mid 4th.

[OnBaseMachine]

That looked like ball 4 on EdE. Randy Wolf has had a much more favorable strikezone tonight than Harang.

[RedlegJake]

Edwin Ks - he's cold enough to accompany Admiral Byrd.

[Falls City Beer]

I really hope Jocketty is talking to Towers about a deal for Wolf.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kouzmanoff strikes out swinging. 6 Ks for Harang. 1 out.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang may reach double digits in K's tonight.

[RedlegJake]

Kouzmanoff makes 6

[Reds Fanatic]

Greene flies out to center on the first pitch. 2 outs.

[WebScorpion]

I really hope Jocketty is talking to Towers about a deal for Wolf.
He's getting his heater up to 92 today, which doesn't seem all that impressive until you reach for that 65mph hammer that follows it. OUCH.

[RedlegJake]

Greene flies out quick. That helps Aaron out a bit.

[Reds Fanatic]

S. Hairston doubles off the wall in left center.

[RedlegJake]

set one on a plate for Hairston who doubles to center.

[Reds Fanatic]

Carlin strikes out swinging. 7 Ks for Harang. 2-0 Reds after 4.

[RedlegJake]

Falls behind then fans Carlin.

[Reds Fanatic]

70 pitches for Harang through 4.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang at 70 pitches through 4. I was hoping he could go seven tonight but he'll probably have to throw 120+ pitches to do that.

[RedlegJake]

Harang at 70 pitches through 4. I was hoping he could go seven tonight but he'll probably have to throw 120+ pitches to do that.

Dusty mulls that over and says Okay

[WebScorpion]

Falls behind then fans Carlin.
Carlins the guy he went 3-0 on earlier and struck him out...this time he goes 3-1 and then blows 2 high fastballs past him. :thumbup:

[reds44]

I could see Harang going over 120 tonight.

[RedlegJake]

Some offense would be nice. Get Harang some runs you guys.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto strikes out swinging. 6 Ks for Wolf. 1 out.

[OnBaseMachine]

The wide zone for Wolf continues as he gets two gift strike calls on Votto.

[VR]

Harang at 70 pitches through 4. I was hoping he could go seven tonight but he'll probably have to throw 120+ pitches to do that.

7 or 8 at 120 would be fine

[RedlegJake]

Votto is looking really hapless. Falls behind 0-2 looking, gets aball, manages a foul and Ks swinging.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bako strikes out swinging. 7 Ks for Wolf. 2 outs.

[RedlegJake]

This is silly. Wolfe is okay but not this good.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wolf strikes out the side as Harang strikes out swinging. 2-0 Reds mid 5th.

[RedlegJake]

Wolfe fans the side.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang could use a 1-2-3 inning with 15 pitches or less.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wolf grounds off Harang's glove to Janish who throws him out. 1 out.

[RedlegJake]

1 pitch grounder 6-3 to Wolfe.

[OnBaseMachine]

Nice play by Janish. Two outs on four pitches.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gerut grounds out to short. Nice play by Janish. 2 outs.

[RedlegJake]

3 pitch ground out 6-3. Nice.

[Tony Cloninger]

1st you get the ballpark in which the ball does not carry and now you have this pretty much Randy Tomlin type pitcher (He looks and pitches like the SP from the early 90's)..... who thinks he is Koufax and Reds hitters are saying yes to it.

[RedlegJake]

Can't get the pesky Tadahito Iguchi out, another single.

[Reds Fanatic]

Iguchi singles to right.

This is the 4th straight inning Harang started the inning looking like it would be an easy inning then has to throw a lot of pitches to get out of the inning.

[OnBaseMachine]

Iguchi (.664 OPS) has been on base all three times tonight.

Reds pitchers always struggle to get that third out. Harang had Iguchi 0-2 and went 3-2 before he singled.

[Reds Fanatic]

Iguchi steals 2nd and goes to 3rd on a throwing error.

[RedlegJake]

steal and goes to 3rd on Bako's throw.

[Reds Fanatic]

Giles singles to center. 2-1 Reds. Once again poor defense hurts the Reds on this trip.

[reds44]

Iguchi (.664 OPS) has been on base all three times tonight.

Reds pitchers always struggle to get that third out. Harang had Iguchi 0-2 and went 3-2 before he singled.
Every pitcher struggles to get that 3rd out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez homers off the foul pole in right. 3-2 Padres.

[CTA513]

bye bye Reds lead.

3-2 Padres.

[reds44]

Wow. That went downhill quickly.

[Red in Chicago]

well that didn't take long. harang almost always seems to have at least one of these innings every game.

[RedlegJake]

single and goodbye. 3-2 Friars.

[OnBaseMachine]

3-2 Padres on a Gonzalez homerun. You have got to be kidding me Harang. Four pitches, two outs and then he totally loses it. Harang was one strike away from retiring the side in order but then serves up a hit to one of the worst hitters in baseball, then allows a RBI single and 2-run HR.

[flyer85]

bye bye Reds fixed

[Tony Cloninger]

Some really bad pitching in just such a short sequence.....just like Cueto yesterday...lack of concentration and flat out bad pitch selection.

You can rip on Dusty for trying to stretch these guys but they do not do themselves any favors.....by throwing tons of pitches against yeams that are not the types to work counts like the Yanks and Red Sox.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Harang with a Johnny Cueto inning.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kouzmanoff pops out to short. 3-2 Padres after 5.

[redsrule2500]

Well that's unfortunate....

[RedlegJake]

After about a million pitches Aaron gets a pop up to end this disaster.

[Reds Fanatic]

Already 91 pitches for Harang.

[WebScorpion]

After about a million pitches Aaron gets a pop up to end this disaster.
He's at 91 now....Wolf is at 68. :rolleyes:

[OnBaseMachine]

This has been the story of the roadtrip. Two out runs allowed by the Reds. In game one in LA, with the Reds up 4-0, Arroyo retired the first two hitters in the 3rd inning but walked Pierre, allowed a hit and then Hairston committed a throwing error to allow two runs to score. Two innings later with two outs and the Reds up 5-2, Arroyo is one strike away from getting out of the inning with a 5-2 lead but then he loses it and allows four straight two out hits to tie the game at five.

[RedlegJake]

I hoped maybe Petco was the one park Aaron would keep it in the park.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel grounds out on the first pitch.

Janish grounds out to 3rd on the first pitch.

[OnBaseMachine]

Two pitches two outs by Wolf to begin the 6th.

[RedlegJake]

Frel makes Wolfe work for one pitch and grounds out.

[redsrule2500]

Seriously? Our #1/2 guys swing at the first pitch. Two pitches, two outs. WOW.

[RedlegJake]

Janish decides he is seeing too many pitches and decides to start swinging at the first one. 2 down.

[CTA513]

Harang should stick with throwing fastballs to Gonzalez.

[kbrake]

2 pitches 2 outs you've got to be kidding me. I feel ashamed being a fan of a team that continues to put out a lineup like this. Thanks Dusty.

[reds44]

Reds are making outs in a hurry.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

No kidding.

I turned on the game with 2 outs and saw they were up 2-0 and thought "Harang on the hill. 2-0 lead. Finally we can get back track."

2 minutes and 4 pitches later...3-2.

Sometimes you just got to laugh or you feel like your going crazy.

Reds fandom. It's brutal.

[reds44]

This has been the story of the roadtrip. Two out runs allowed by the Reds. In game one in LA, with the Reds up 4-0, Arroyo retired the first two hitters in the 3rd inning but walked Pierre, allowed a hit and then Hairston committed a throwing error to allow two runs to score. Two innings later with two outs and the Reds up 5-2, Arroyo is one strike away from getting out of the inning with a 5-2 lead but then he loses it and allows four straight two out hits to tie the game at five.
Story of the roadtrip is the Reds not scoring.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior walks.

[redsrule2500]

Griffey takes the walk, nice AB.

[mbgrayson]

It simply drives me nuts when the opposing pitcher is cruising and our pitcher needs a break, and our batters (Freel and Janish) swing at the first two pitches of the inning. Of course, if they had base hits, I'd be quiet....

[RedlegJake]

Junior draws a walk. It is possible if you just look at a few pitches.

[OnBaseMachine]

I can expect a young pitcher to lose it but not a veteran like Harang. When you're one strike away from a 1-2-3 inning, there is no way you can allow three runs to score like that.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips grounds into a 5-4 FC. 3-2 Padres mid 6th.

[RedlegJake]

BP grounds out. Wolf used the same sequence to Phillips. Start him with a couple curves then bust a fastball on him then a slider.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Anyone think the Reds score again?

[Edskin]

It's like the Reds sensed the fans getting a bit excited after the six game win streak and said, "whoa....enough of this"

[RedlegJake]

Wolf is averaging just 13 pitches an inning and still has 8 Ks. That's ridiculous.

[redsrule2500]

Harang not looking so hot.........ugh

[Edskin]

Anyone think the Reds score again?

If we hold the Padres to 3 runs, then no, we will not score again.

If the Padres score, then we'll score again, but still lose.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang is getting roughed up by the worst offense in baseball.

[Reds Fanatic]

Harang serves up another fat pitch and Greene homers to left. I hate the west coast. 4-2 Padres.

[Tony Cloninger]

It may be why when they talk about Top 10 pitchers in the NL....they do not mention Harang...which they should but don't.

I think i have reached my level of fedupness.

This is 1993 WC road trip that cost Perez his job all over again.

[Kc61]

Reds now with 5 runs scored in their last 28 innings. Five runs since the sixth inning of Monday's game against the Dodgers. Not happy that Harang got touched up, but the Reds do not score runs -- particularly when they are in a big ball park. The Pads had three hits last inning, the Reds don't seem to be able to get three hits in an inning.

[flyer85]

The way the offense has gone south and 0-7 road trip is looming

[kbrake]

Anyone think the Reds score again?

Nope.

[OnBaseMachine]

BTW that homerun was on 0-2.

One of the first things I learned in little league was to not throw 0-2 pitches right down the middle.

[Edskin]

IMO, giving up 4 ER's to this Padres lineup is akin to giving up 8 ER's to your average ML lineup, so I'd call this a very bad outing for Harang-- when we could least afford it.

[Reds Fanatic]

S. Hairston flies out to left. 1 out.

[CTA513]

Harang was finally able to get Scott Hairston out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Harang is getting beat up by the worst lineup I have seen this year. Carlin doubles to right.

[Tony Cloninger]

Thank You Dusty for what? You blame him for this crappy hitting? Anything else that makes sense you ant to add to that?

[kbrake]

Can we please get someone else in this game? Obviously Harang is struggling tonight. Please, lets end it sooner than later.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

It's like the Reds sensed the fans getting a bit excited after the six game win streak and said, "whoa....enough of this"

Over the past few years, it seems like they're the only team that will win 6 or 7 in a row and then turn around and lose them all back.

Or if they beat a team 12-1, it's almost automatic they get shutout the next day or lose in a low scoring game.

It's like they are cursed. Sometimes I think the city of Cincinnati is cursed. Nothing seems right anymore.

[redsrule2500]

OFFENSE DEAD because ADAM DUNN is SUCKING!

[RedlegJake]

The next 2 guys combined are hitting .296, maybe Harang can handle them.

[redsrule2500]

Thank You Dusty for what? You blame him for this crappy hitting? Anything else that makes sense you ant to add to that?

Before the year started Dusty emphasized not being afraid of nailing that first pitch....

[reds44]

OFFENSE DEAD because ADAM DUNN is SUCKING!
lolwut?

[Reds Fanatic]

Unbelievable. Now Wolf drives in a run 5-2 Padres.

[RedlegJake]

OFFENSE DEAD because ADAM DUNN is SUCKING!

That's not really necessary.

[reds44]

:lol:

This is awesome.

[Kc61]

Thank You Dusty for what? You blame him for this crappy hitting? Anything else that makes sense you ant to add to that?

I don't usually blame the manager but I don't understand why four lefty hitters play against Wolf. The team has enough trouble with lefties, why can't some righty bats play tonight? No way Bako should be in there, this is why Ross is on the team, to play against lefties.

[OnBaseMachine]

OFFENSE DEAD because ADAM DUNN is SUCKING!

Yeah it's Adam Dunn's fault. The guy who has a 1.750 OPS in the last seven days and 1.058 OPS in May.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

It's amazing how predictable these games are when they play on the west coast.

[VR]

Well, you can only hope to keep offensive juggernauts like Greene, Carlin, and Wolfe down for so long. I mean, combined they were hitting nearly .500.

[kbrake]

Thank You Dusty for what? You blame him for this crappy hitting? Anything else that makes sense you ant to add to that?

Yeah I blame him for hitting Janish 2nd and Junior 3rd. I blame him for playing Bako tonight. I would rather see Javy get a start. Its tough to carry a team for a guy like Dunn when you're hitting him 5th and put no one capable of getting on base in front of him.

And if there was a righty on the mound Patterson would be playing and leading off. I have no idea how Dusty ever got a job managing a club. This is not a good team so not everything is his fault but just once I would love to see him put a decent lineup out there.

[Edskin]

Harang gets an "F" today. Kinda harsh, but it's the true. With the team struggling and desperately needing a win against a laughable lineup, you need your ace to step up for it. Instead, he got shelled.

[RedlegJake]

Harang just lost his stuff and command completely tonight. He just kept getting worse. As Randy Wolf said "You can't go home, again". And for the Reds "Look homeward Angel." er, Thomas Wolf.

[redsrule2500]

I'm saying our offense was adam dunn. Now that's he's off his hot streak, so are our Reds :(

[Reds Fanatic]

Bray in to pitch.

Gerut flies out to left. 2 outs.

[Falls City Beer]

Wayne got out while the gettin was good; he'll get none of the blame for this monstrosity of a team.

And folks really wanted to extend the guy who put two 90 loss squads together back to back?

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Like I said a few days ago. I'll take 3-4 on this trip.

Now it looks like 2-5 or 1-6 will do.

[Tony Cloninger]

Reds rule...i undertstand that....but fore the most part....those 2 usually take some pitches....Sometimes it's not a bad idea to go after the first pitch or 2....maybe not that time, but I do not see this team being any worse than any other year when it comes to hacking.

What RH besides Ross? I see nada.....I think Bob Bailey...Andy Kosco...and Mike Vail would do better than the RH bats on the bench here. Valentin might as well be a pitcher hitting from the right side.

[kbrake]

Wayne got out while the gettin was good; he'll get none of the blame for this monstrosity of a team.

And folks really wanted to extend the guy who put two 90 loss squads together back to back?

I didnt think Wayne was, but do you really think Walt is the guy to turn this thing around?

[Reds Fanatic]

I'm saying our offense was adam dunn. Now that's he's off his hot streak, so are our Reds :(
Dunn is 6 for 10 on this road trip. I wish all our players were off their hot streaks like that.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Wayne got out while the gettin was good; he'll get none of the blame for this monstrosity of a team.

And folks really wanted to extend the guy who put two 90 loss squads together back to back?


I thought you were one that thought he shouldn't have been let go and he was doing such a solid job?

[reds44]

Dunn is 6 for 9 on this road trip. I wish all our players were off their hot streaks like that.
Ah, now he knows how Jay Bruce feels.

[Reds Fanatic]

Iguchi is out and the inning is over.

[flyer85]

I'm saying our offense was adam dunn. Now that's he's off his hot streak, so are our Reds :(and people wonder what the offense will be like after he leaves

[Falls City Beer]

I didnt think Wayne was, but do you really think Walt is the guy to turn this thing around?

He's a hell of a lot more qualified than Wayne is. He's got almost as much work as Wayne had when he took over for O'Brien. But he'll get it done in half the time. I think he can have a winner ready by 2011--some interesting developments maybe in 2010.

[Tony Cloninger]

Wayne was about building the minors...I think if BOB had said OK...he would have torn this team down to Marlin like 1998-99 levels.

[Falls City Beer]

I thought you were one that thought he shouldn't have been let go and he was doing such a solid job?

Not at all. The timing was goofy (why fire a guy when his successor has almost no ability to make trades for several months?)

[BuckeyeRedleg]

They will now score two more.

I predict they'll come in the 8th and then Hoffman will shut the door.

5-4.

[WVRedsFan]

Wayne got out while the gettin was good; he'll get none of the blame for this monstrosity of a team.

And folks really wanted to extend the guy who put two 90 loss squads together back to back?

Just stopped by and noticed your comment, FCB. I totally agree with what you said. While everyone was crying when BC let him go, the product on the field was worse than almost any in the history of the Reds when consecutive won-loss records are considered. He'll come out as the golden boy who was making so much difference everywhere and all he needed was a little more time. In the meantime, he's put together a disfunctional team that cannot win no matter who the manager is. Narron was horrible, but he has won nowhere, but Baker has won and he can't do anything with this poorly constructed team. Yep, and thay'll all say, "well, if he had stayed, we'd be winning by now" in two years. He didn't show any knowledge of putting a squad together while he was here and I doubt two more years would have made it any better.

Look for Jocketty to really shake it up soon.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Not at all.


My bad. I thought you were highly critical of the termination.

[Falls City Beer]

Wayne was about building the minors...I think if BOB had said OK...he would have torn this team down to Marlin like 1998-99 levels.

We can dwell in what-ifs till the crack of doom.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn flies out to center. 1 out.

[RedlegJake]

Dunn takes it full but flies out. 1 down

[Reds Fanatic]

Edwin strikes out looking. Wolf continues to get a generous strike zone.

[OnBaseMachine]

Wolf has a 7.52 ERA in his last four starts but is making it look easy against the Reds tonight.

[RedlegJake]

EE Ks, 9 for Wolf.

[Edskin]

Wow, 1 hit since Jr.'s HR against Randy freakin' Wolf.

Another "give up" AB from EE

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto singles to center.

[redsrule2500]

This is sooooooo painful. Win 6, lose 4....seriously? This is pathetic, I'm ashamed I got hopeful. Should have known better.

[Stormy]

Harang gets an "F" today. Kinda harsh, but it's the true. With the team struggling and desperately needing a win against a laughable lineup, you need your ace to step up for it. Instead, he got shelled.

It simply doesn't matter, Ed, seeing as how this team can't muster any offense at all away from the comfy confines of the GAB. An offense reliant upon the HR, which hits basically half as many HR on the road as it does at home (for a -.60 Slg% despite having more road plate appearances), is doomed before it begins. We could pull quality starts out of our collective hats 6-7 times out of 10, and still be a sub .500 team with Dusty's 2008 Reds' offense.

Maybe a good place to start would be with our 1000OPS AAA CF taking the place of our 648 OPS ML CF and leadoff hitter, but then that would have made sense back around Opening Day.

[RedlegJake]

Voto singles on the ground through the middle.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Lefty against the Reds on the west coast.

Doesn't matter how and the Pads are playing or how bad Wolf has been. Lefty. West coast.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bako flies out. 5-2 Pads mid 7th.

[OnBaseMachine]

On the bright side, Bill Bray has pitched well lately.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lefty against the Reds on the west coact.

Doesn't matter how and the Pads are playing or how bad Wolf has been. Lefty. West Coast.
2 more lefties coming up the next 2 nights.

[redsrule2500]

Wayne was about building the minors...I think if BOB had said OK...he would have torn this team down to Marlin like 1998-99 levels.

To win the World Series 4 years later...hmm, worth it.

[RedlegJake]

It simply doesn't matter, Ed, seeing as how this team can't muster any offense at all away from the comfy confines of the GAB. An offense reliant upon the HR, which hits basically half as many HR on the road as it does at home (for a -.60 Slg% despite having more road plate appearances), is doomed before it starts. We could pull quality starts out of our collective hats 6-7 times out of 10, and still be a sub .500 team with Dusty's 2008 Reds' offense.

Maybe a good place to start would be with our 1000OPS AAA CF taking the place of our 648 OPS ML CF and leadoff hitter, but then that would have made sense back around Opening Day.

Baker said essentially that before the game -this squad is built too reliant on GAB and too weak on the road.

[Edskin]

It simply doesn't matter, Ed, seeing as how this team can't muster any offense at all away from the comfy confines of the GAB. An offense reliant upon the HR, which hits basically half as many HR on the road as it does at home (for a -.60 Slg% despite having more road plate appearances), is doomed before it starts. We could pull quality starts out of our collective hats 6-7 times out of 10, and still be a sub .500 team with Dusty's 2008 Reds' offense.

Maybe a good place to start would be with our 1000OPS AAA CF taking the place of our 648 OPS ML CF and leadoff hitter, but then that would have made sense back around Opening Day.

I pretty much agree. But tonight may have been one of those nights where the team needed Harang to bail them out and win a game 2-1. Maybe then, we get a W, everyone exhales, and things get better....

[Falls City Beer]

To win the World Series 4 years later...hmm, worth it.

Right. Because all tear-downs result in WCs.

[redsrule2500]

2 more lefties coming up the next 2 nights.

Yet, we somehow brought the mystical LHP Cliff Lee back down to earth?:confused:

[Reds Fanatic]

Dusty and Edwin both got kicked out in between innings.

[Falls City Beer]

Dusty and Edwin both got kicked out in between innings.

I can't imagine that Dusty's not on the hot seat right now.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

2 more lefties coming up the next 2 nights.

1-6 road trip.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hairston takes over at 3rd.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dusty and Edwin both got kicked out in between innings.

What the heck is that umps problem? He tossed EdE while EdE was fielding grounders in between innings. Wow. I've never seen that.

[Edskin]

1-6 road trip.

1?

[Kc61]

Bako makes the last out against the lefty pitcher. Ross and Valentin, catchers who can hit from the right side, both watch from the bench. Ross, in particular, wondering why he is on the team if he isn't playing against Wolf.

Reds now have scored 5 runs in the last 29 innings, which translates into a single run just about every 6 innings over three games.

[RedlegJake]

I can't imagine that Dusty's not on the hot seat right now.

I wish but I don't see it. Can't see Cast paying that contract off this soon. This time next year maybe. Especially since he was Cast's pick.

[kbrake]

I can't imagine that Dusty's not on the hot seat right now.

You really think there is a chance they might can him sometime this year? After all the heat Castellini took for "not being patient" when he fired Wayne. Who would they replace him with?

[flyer85]

Baker said essentially that before the game -this squad is built too reliant on GAB and too weak on the road.offense has too many guys that don't get on base very much

[Reds Fanatic]

Giles lines out to right. 1 out.

[RedlegJake]

Giles draws a walk after 8 pitches. That's wrong. He lines out.

[reds44]

Dusty went off. That was awesome.

[Kc61]

offense has too many guys that don't get on base very much


Yes. You can't win in a full sized major league stadium without getting bunching a few walks and hits here and there.

[Falls City Beer]

I wish but I don't see it. Can't see Cast paying that contract off this soon. This time next year maybe. Especially since he was Cast's pick.

And Wayne's pick apparently.

But that's neither here nor there. Baseball ownership is about symbolism. There's not a lot an owner can effect in terms of wins or losses besides payroll and firing the GM or manager. So whatever an owner does has to be about symbolism, or sending a message. Firing a manager is the frontline symbol of owners.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez doubles to left.

Lincoln in to pitch.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dusty went off. That was awesome.

Kicked his hat into the air.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

I can't imagine that Dusty's not on the hot seat right now.

10+ million over 3 years says he's not on the hotseat.

Like I said a million times. This team could have saved 9 million bucks and had a better situation with a good guy and better manager like Mackanin running things.

But this franchise - this city, has such an inferiority complex that they needed a name.

Nevermind that the name was the wrong name. The worst possible name this team could have had during this delicate transition.

[Stormy]

I can't imagine that Dusty's not on the hot seat right now.

Given how heavily invested BCast is in Dusty Baker, both monetarily and credibility wise, and given the fact that he's already on the hook for removing his GM at an inopportune time... I can't imagine he's impetuous enough to remove a quantity like Baker less than 50 games into his Reds' tenure.

In retrospect (or foresight depending upon your perspective), Baker should never have been hired, Petey should have been retained to develop the youth, and Wayne should have been under a mandate to complete the direction of the rebuild this offseason/season rather than trying to win on the fly.

[cincyinco]

Hopefully this won't be one of those nights where the offense scores a couple runs early on and then shuts it down for the rest of the night.

Whoops! Thanks OBM :)

[VR]

Bako makes the last out against the lefty pitcher. Ross and Valentin, catchers who can hit from the right side, both watch from the bench. Ross, in particular, wondering why he is on the team if he isn't playing against Wolf.

Reds now have scored 5 runs in the last 29 innings, which translates into a single run just about every 6 innings over three games.

tsk tsk KC. Bako is only 2 for his last 22, certainly he's due to return to his April performance #'s.

Ross is only hitting .353 in May w/ a .476 OBP. Who needs that?

[Stormy]

10+ million over 3 years says he's not on the hotseat.

Like I said a million times. This team could have saved 9 million bucks and had a better situation with a good guy and better manager like Mackanin running things.

But this franchise - this city, has such an inferiority complex that they needed a name.

Nevermind that the name was the wrong name. The worst possible name this team could have had during this delicate transition.

:thumbup: Another reminder why I like your take on matter so much.

[Reds Fanatic]

What a joke. Kouzmanoff homers. They have given up 7 runs to this Padres offense.

[Falls City Beer]

10+ million over 3 years says he's not on the hotseat.

Like I said a million times. This team could have saved 9 million bucks and had a better situation with a good guy and better manager like Mackanin running things.

But this franchise - this city, has such an inferiority complex that they needed a name.

Nevermind that the name was the wrong name. The worst possible name this team could have had during this delicate transition.

Mackanin would have the same record. But yeah, they'd have 10 million more in their pockets. Whatever.

I kind of want Dusty fired just so I can listen to all the carping and how mysterious it is that the proper batting order hasn't improved the Reds' offense. Then it will be all the defense's fault. So then it will be Walt's problem.

[CTA513]

The Reds really woke up the Padres offense.

[Reds Fanatic]

Now Greene homers. Can the Reds just come home now.

[Tony Cloninger]

I think the hitters let themselves become reliant on GAB...... I mean Votto is a line drive gap hitter....he should hit .300 at home and the road. I am sure he will...but we will see.

Keppinger seems to be able to hit and not really let the park dictate on how he will hit or how he approaches his AB's.

EE and BP like to swing hard and seem more in tune to what Dusty and some here are saying. EE seems incapable of going the other way for some reason....almost LaRue like in his approach in regards to Jason's disdain of going the other way.

[CTA513]

Time for Lincoln to go bye bye.

[RedlegJake]

Back to back jacks. Lincoln stinks.

[Stormy]

Baker said essentially that before the game -this squad is built too reliant on GAB and too weak on the road.

Good to know. Nice to see he can find the pulse for a change, but he'll undoubtedly misdiagnose both the cause and cure.

[mbgrayson]

4 Gopher balls...in San Diego!....ouch.

A new way to lose every night....

[reds44]

*Closes mlb.tv*
*Shuts laptop*

Goodnight.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

If Dusty was indeed his man, Wayne got what he deserved.

Forget everything else. If Dusty was his idea, he shouldn't ever be allowed near another baseball franchise.

[Spring~Fields]

My God who calling these pitches, I thought that was a pitchers park.

[flyer85]

Lincoln ain't so hot these days

[Reds Fanatic]

Lincoln now has a 7.08 ERA. I think we have seen enough.

[Edskin]

It's honestly pretty funny....I'm smiling right now.

Worst lineup I've seen in years is CRUSHING us tonight. I mean, ripping us a new one. And their awful starting pitcher is shutting us down as well.

Mike Lincoln and his 7.00+ ERA is pretty funny too.

[OnBaseMachine]

I really got my hopes up after the six game winning streak. I thought this team was turning the corner but it looks like I was wrong. Get Bruce up here on Tuesday and replace Lincoln with Roenicke.

[Falls City Beer]

Replace Lincoln with Cueto.

[Reds Fanatic]

If Bruce is not starting Tuesday the people in charge of this team are even more clueless than I think they are.

[Tony Cloninger]

Lincoln will have a few ganes of 1-2 IP of looking great ...then another 1 or 2 games of Tom Hume circa 1983-84 like performances.

Mike Boom-Boom Lincoln.

[Falls City Beer]

If Bruce is not starting Tuesday the people in charge of this team are even more clueless than I think they are.

I'm sure he will be. Fat lot of good it will do to help the pitching, though.