Reds vs. Pirates 5/29/08, Bruce takes Griffey's spot

[Tom Servo]

From C.Trent, who I assume means Freel in CF, not catching.


Belisle to Louisville and will be working as a reliever. Josh Fogg gets the start on Saturday.

Kent Mercker activated from the disabled list.

And here are lineups:

Peglegs

Freddy Sanchez 2b

Jack Wislon ss
Jason Bay lf
Adam LaRoche 1b
Xavier Nady rf
Jason Michaels cf
Jose Bautista 3b
Raul Chavez c
Phil Dumatrait p

Redlegs

Ryan Freel c
Jerry Hairston Jr. ss
Jay Bruce rf
Brandon Phillips 2b
Adam Dunn lf
Andy Phillips 3b
Joey Votto 1b
David Ross c
Aaron Harang p

[Raisor]

If no one is going to say it, I will.

Andy Phillips above Votto? Really?

[puca]

Must.....split......lefties

[OnBaseMachine]

If no one is going to say it, I will.

Andy Phillips above Votto? Really?

No kidding. Votto has a .913 OPS and yet Baker continues to bury him in the No. 7 spot every night.

[Raisor]

I also have a problem with moving Bruce out of CF. It's his first week, let's keep him in one place. Freel in RF would mean that he'd be in position to only take out one of his fellow OFers.

[Chip R]

Must.....split......lefties


And Phillipses.

[Degenerate39]

Dumatrait is gonna shut out the Reds tonight.









Just kidding!

[Raisor]

And Phillipses.

Phillipi

[pahster]

Wow. That "Setting up the Lineup" segment on the pregame contained terrible analysis of data. Good idea, though.

[Reds Fanatic]

Sanchez lines a single to right.

[Tom Servo]

Stupid Jack Wilson.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wilson doubles to right center. 1-0 Pirates.

[Chip R]

Brandon double clutched on that throw.

[OnBaseMachine]

Jack Wilson is a terrible hitter but he kills the Reds. 1-0 Pirates after Sanchez singles and Wilson doubles.

[membengal]

Let the second-guessing over the effect of last Sunday on Harang begin...

[Reds Fanatic]

Bay strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[RedsManRick]

Seems like Harang always gets hit hard in the first inning.

[Chip R]

If the Reds sore their usual amount of runs for Harang, the game's already over.

[RedsManRick]

Phillps vs Votto -- God forbid the pirates bring in their LOOGY to face two guys who hit lefties pretty darn well.

I will never understand the value of splitting your lefties for the sake of possible plate appearance while harming yourself for the first 3 times through the order.

[Reds Fanatic]

LaRoche grounds out to 1st. Nice stop by Votto. Runner goes to 3rd. 2 outs.

[Tom Servo]

Good job by Harang to strand the runner.

[Reds Fanatic]

Nady fouls out to right. 1-0 Pirates mid 1st.

[OnBaseMachine]

Nice job by Harang to get out of the inning with no further damage. Phil Dumatrait on the hill - the Reds should crush him.

[Screwball]

LaRoche grounds out to 1st. Nice stop by Votto. Runner goes to 3rd. 2 outs.

That ball was stung. Good thing it was pretty much right at Votto.

[Spring~Fields]

F. Sanchez singled to right
- J. Wilson doubled to deep right center, F. Sanchez scored
- J. Bay struck out swinging
- A. LaRoche grounded out to first, J. Wilson to third
- X. Nady fouled out to right
- End of Inning (1 Run, 2 Hits, 0 Errors)

Pitches-strikes - A Harang 14-10.

Ground balls-fly balls - A Harang 1-1.

[Tom Servo]

Let's see some old school Dumatrait.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel grounds out to 3rd. 1 out.

[fearofpopvol1]

Wow, so your 3rd game in the bigs and you're already in the 3 hole?? I am actually SHOCKED that Dusty would do that.

[Reds Fanatic]

Infield hit for Hairston

[NC Reds]

How dare he hit the Bruce!

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce hit by the pitch at the end of a great AB. 1st and 2nd.

[Tom Servo]

Dumatrait realized he couldn't get Bruce out, even in his dreams. So he hit him.

[membengal]

Bruce hit by the pitch at the end of a great AB. 1st and 2nd.

Echo that on great AB. Hung in there, worked back from 1-2 down in the count, fouled off some good pitches, got on base.

Love it.

[NC Reds]

Bruce breaks up the Phillips.

[Tom Servo]

Thank you, Pirates.

[Razor Shines]

Bruce does it all. Taking out the ss.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips grounds into a 6-4 FC. Good job by Bruce going into 2nd and Sanchez throws the ball away. Tie game 1-1. 2 outs.

[Screwball]

Thank you, Pirates.

Thank you, Bruce.

[membengal]

That run is all on Bruce. Ran hard to 2nd, came into the base extra hard on Sanchez, and, frankly, startled the hell out of Sanchez. The bad throw was directly attributable to that.

Extremely impressed with that from Bruce. Wow.

[OnBaseMachine]

Terrible strike three call on Dunn. That ball was way high.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn strikes out looking. 1-1 after 1.

[Razor Shines]

You're right that was an awful call.

[Spring~Fields]

R. Freel grounded out to third
- J. Hairston Jr. reached on bunt single to third
- J. Bruce hit by pitch, J. Hairston Jr. to second
- B. Phillips grounded into fielder's choice, J. Hairston Jr. to third, J. Bruce out at second, J. Hairston Jr. scored, B. Phillips to second on second baseman F. Sanchez's throwing error
- A. Dunn struck out looking
- End of Inning (1 Run, 1 Hit, 1 Error)

HBP - J Bruce (by P Dumatrait).

Pitches-strikes - P Dumatrait 20-13; A Harang 14-10.

Ground balls-fly balls - P Dumatrait 2-0; A Harang 1-1.

Batters faced - P Dumatrait 5; A Harang 5.

[Reds Fanatic]

Michaels doubles off the wall in center.

[OnBaseMachine]

Another hit. First and third and nobody out. Come on Aaron.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bautista singles to left. 1st and 3rd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Chavez swings at the 1st pitch and flies out to shallow right. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dumatrait bunts right to Votto. Runners at 2nd and 3rd. 2 outs.

[Spring~Fields]

Hal saying with Marty that Junior has a bit of a sore knee from bumping a desk, so that is why he is off tonight.

[Chip R]

I can't believe the Reds have to manufacture runs against Dumatrait.

[Buckeye33]

Did anyone else think Freel misplayed the Michaels double? Sure seemed he did not read the ball off the bat. He took a step sideways instead of back off the bat.

Oh well, maybe Harang will make it not matter.

[Screwball]

Hal saying with Marty that Junior has a bit of a sore knee from bumping a desk, so that is why he is off tonight.

I bet TMZ caught the incident on tape. :evil:

[Reds Fanatic]

Sanchez strikes out swinging. Good job to get out of the inning. 1-1 mid 2nd.

[OnBaseMachine]

Great job by Harang to escape that jam. Hopefully he can settle down now and cruise through about seven innings.

[Chip R]

Did anyone else think Freel misplayed the Michaels double? Sure seemed he did not read the ball off the bat. He took a step sideways instead of back off the bat.



He would have had to run into the wall to catch it.

[membengal]

I wonder if TMZ caught the incident on tape?

Golf clap.

Which zoner was in charge of moving the furniture in Jr.'s house to cause him to smack a shin?

[Cyclone792]

Did anyone else think Freel misplayed the Michaels double? Sure seemed he did not read the ball off the bat. He took a step sideways instead of back off the bat.

Oh well, maybe Harang will make it not matter.

That's common with Ryan Freel, though he wasn't catching that specific ball anyway. His initial reads and jumps are very poor.

Bruce is the best defensive center fielder on the roster right now.

[PuffyPig]

I can't believe the Reds have to manufacture runs against Dumatrait.

It was one inning.

[Spring~Fields]

J. Michaels doubled to deep center
- J. Bautista singled to left, J. Michaels to third
- R. Chavez flied out to right
- P. Dumatrait sacrificed to first, J. Bautista to second
- F. Sanchez struck out swinging
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 2 Hits, 0 Errors)


Pitches-strikes A Harang 24-19.

Ground balls-fly balls - A Harang 2-2.

Batters faced - A Harang 10.

[Reds Fanatic]

A. Phillips grounds out to 3rd. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

4 pitch walk to Votto.

[Reds Fanatic]

Double play. Ross strikes out swinging and Votto is easily caught stealing. 1-1 after 2.

[Tom Servo]

Ughhh. Can't believe we can't do anything against Dumatrait.

[Screwball]

Goodness, Ross. That was at your eyes.

[Chip R]

It was one inning.


Now it's two.

[Razor Shines]

Do everything you can to ensure that Harang leads off next inning.

[OnBaseMachine]

Ross swung at ball four to strikeout and Votto is caught stealing. That was the worst case scenario there as it basically guarantees one out to begin next inning with Harang leading off.

[Spring~Fields]

Wonder who put that play on :devil: I think I know.

[OnBaseMachine]

I hate sending the runner with a 3-2 count because for some reason the batter thinks he HAS to make contact there despite the pitch clearly being ball four.

[Spring~Fields]

- A. Phillips grounded out to third
- J. Votto walked
- D. Ross struck out swinging, J. Votto caught stealing, catcher to shortstop
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

Pitches-strikes - P Dumatrait 34-18; A Harang 24-19.

Ground balls-fly balls - P Dumatrait 3-0; A Harang 2-2.

Batters faced - P Dumatrait 8; A Harang 10.

[Razor Shines]

Somebody ask him what the fart he was thinking last half inning.

[Screwball]

Alright, first time through the order and that was the first time any of them have faced Dumatrait (as far as I know). They should get it going the next couple of innings.

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice play by Votto. 1 out.

[OnBaseMachine]

Nice play there by Votto. One out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bay doubles to center.

[OnBaseMachine]

And now Ross throws a ball into center field on a pickoff attempt. How much worse can this defense get, especially behind the plate?

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross attempts to pickoff the runner at 2nd and the throw goes off Bay and into center. Runner on 3rd on the error by Ross.

[RedsManRick]

Two straight curve balls up in the zone against Bay -- very un-Harang like. On Gamecast he looks all over the place. Not a good sign given Sunday.

[Spring~Fields]

Wreckless and sloppy

[Reds Fanatic]

I thought it was funny when Dusty said how well the defense had been playing. What team is he watching.

[Tom Servo]

This is going to be a rough game to watch.

[Reds Fanatic]

LaRoche pops out to short. 2 outs.

[Screwball]

Jeez. Harang way too hittable tonight.

[Reds Fanatic]

Nady lines a double to the right field corner. 2-1 Pirates.

[Tom Servo]

I have that sinking feeling that we're going to see Dumatrait outpitch Harang...

[OnBaseMachine]

Imagine that, Aaron Harang gives up an 0-2 hit. Fastball right down the middle. Just think how much better he could be if he didn't do that at least twice a game. He does that more than any pitcher I've seen. Frustrating.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Harang was hittable in his last start too... 5.1 IP, 10 H, 5 ER.

[Reds Fanatic]

Michaels with a bloop double to center. 3-1 Pirates.

[OnBaseMachine]

RBI double by Michaels.

Geez Harang.

[OnBaseMachine]

I cringe every time I see Harang get an 0-2 count because I know what's coming.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bautista pops out to short. 3-1 Pirates mid 3rd.

[mbgrayson]

Freel dove for the Michaels 'double' and came up just short. Nice try, but the effect was to play a single into a double again.

[Spring~Fields]

- J. Wilson grounded out to first
- J. Bay doubled to left center
- J. Bay to third on D. Ross' throwing error
- A. LaRoche popped out to left
- X. Nady doubled to deep right, J. Bay scored
- J. Michaels doubled to center, X. Nady scored
- J. Bautista popped out to left center
- End of Inning (2 Runs, 3 Hits, 1 Error)

Runs Hits Errors
Pittsburgh 3 7 1
Cincinnati 1 1 1

Pitches-strikes - P Dumatrait 34-18; A Harang 49-39.
Ground balls-fly balls - P Dumatrait 3-0; A Harang 3-4.
Batters faced - P Dumatrait 8; A Harang 16.

[flyer85]

Harang has been leaving everything up in the first 3 innings

[OnBaseMachine]

Freel dove for the Michaels 'double' and came up just short. Nice try, but the effect was to play a single into a double again.

A better center fielder probably catches that. Freel takes some horrible routes and gets a slow jump on every ball.

[Reds Fanatic]

Harang strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel swings at the first pitch and grounds out to short. 2 outs.

[flyer85]

freel ... take few pitches

[Screwball]

Freel first pitch swinging and hits a weak grounder. He must have been napping when they went over scouting reports for Dumatrait.

[PuffyPig]

I cringe every time I see Harang get an 0-2 count because I know what's coming.


Over the last 3.3 years, after Harang gets a 0-2 count, hitters have about a .430 OPS against him.

[Falls City Beer]

Harang has been leaving everything up in the first 3 innings

Harang is getting ready for his yearly month-long nosedive. It comes at different times each year.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hairstron strikes out swinging. Dumatrait has struck out 4. 3-1 Pirates after 3.

[OnBaseMachine]

Easy 1-2-3 inning for Dumatrait.

[RedsManRick]

Call me optimistic, but I think we're going to get something going against Dumatrait. Incredible that Harang has been hit as hard as he's been hit and still is only at 49 pitches through 3.

[Spring~Fields]

Reds helping P Dumatrait look ole Cy tonight

- A. Harang struck out swinging
- R. Freel grounded out to shortstop
- J. Hairston Jr. struck out swinging
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

HBP - J Bruce (by P Dumatrait).

Pitches-strikes - P Dumatrait 46-26;
Ground balls-fly balls - P Dumatrait 4-0;
Batters faced - P Dumatrait 11;

[Reds Fanatic]

Another double. Chavez lines a double to left.

[Falls City Beer]

Call me optimistic, but I think we're going to get something going against Dumatrait. Incredible that Harang has been hit as hard as he's been hit and still is only at 49 pitches through 3.

I think they will too; this game will likely be settled by the pens, which are about equal, IMO.

[flyer85]

Harang hangs another

[Screwball]

Harang leaving all kinds of pitches right in the heart of the plate. Might need to warm somebody up early tonight.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang is getting rocked as Raul freaking Chavez doubles.

Harang has been roughed up by the likes of the Padres and Pirates in his last two starts.

[membengal]

The bill has come due in full for last Sunday's Harang work...

[Tony Cloninger]

Harang pitched badly before sunday.....so i do not agree.

[Falls City Beer]

The bill has come due in full for last Sunday's Harang work...

Nah. Harang has one of these spells every season. It's never not happened.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dumatrait sacrifices the runner to 3rd. 1 out.

[membengal]

Who knows if he would pitch this way or not without Sunday? Perhaps. Or, perhaps, 63 pitches in max effort one day after his bullpen day came with a consequence.

[flyer85]

his command has certainly been way off

[WebScorpion]

The Pirates leadoff and #2 hitters OBPs are .267 and .261 respectively. Is Dusty managing their team too? :confused:

[Reds Fanatic]

Sanchez with a sac fly to center. 4-1 Pirates.

[OnBaseMachine]

I was hoping for at least a 4-2 home stand, so the Reds really need to win this one tonight because winning two of three against the Braves will be tough. Volquez vs Glavine should favor the Reds tomorrow tonight but it's hard to tell how Volquez's arm will bounce back after pitching on one day rest Sunday. Fogg vs Jurrjens clearly favors the Braves and then on Sunday it's Cueto vs Hudson. Hudson shutout the Reds last time.

[membengal]

his command has certainly been way off

Indeed.

[OnBaseMachine]

Another 0-2 hit served up Harang as throws a hanging curve right down the middle.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wilson lines a single to left.

[flyer85]

another hanging slider to Wilson on 0-2

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross calls Dick Pole to the mound. Is something wrong with Harang?

[flyer85]

uh-oh

[WVRedsFan]

This is really hard to watch. Leftys = Kryptonite to the Reds--even Dummy. It doeesn't help when Freel does his best Jim Edmunds impression and comes up short--that should have been a single.

Harang has been hittable a lot this year and HR prone. He'll get it going soon, but for tonight, it may be a lost cause. Phil is making us look bad--he's pitching a good game.

[Screwball]

Fogg vs Jurrjens clearly favors the Reds

I assume you meant to say Braves.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bay homers. 6-1.

[Always Red]

The bill has come due in full for last Sunday's Harang work...

He's gassed.

In the 4th inning.

[membengal]

Ahem.

Due. in. full.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bay homers to left center. 6-1 Pirates.

[OnBaseMachine]

I assume you meant to say Braves.

Oops. Yeah I meant the Braves.

[CTA513]

Just got back home to see Harang getting whooped.

[flyer85]

first pitch fastball right down the middle to Bay

[Screwball]

Leftys = Kryptonite to the Reds--even Dummy.


That's just not true. Reds are 4th in the league in OPS against lefties.

[WVRedsFan]

He's gassed.

In the 4th inning.

And we're dead for this game.

[Reds Fanatic]

They are just now getting someone started in the bullpen.

[Spring~Fields]

He's gassed.

In the 4th inning.

Harang looks like Belisle tonight.....:(

[OnBaseMachine]

Just think, this is probably still a 1-1 game right now if Harang would attempt to get hitters out by making them chase 0-2 pitches rather than throwing 0-2 meatballs down the middle.

[Falls City Beer]

No pitching depth. Not even a guy to come up and take Fogg's place or spell an overtaxed rotation with a spot start.

[Cyclone792]

On August 9th, 2006, Harang threw 117 pitches in a start against the Cardinals. Two days later on August 11th, 2006, Harang pitched an inning of relief in the 13th inning in a game against Philadelphia.

He came back on August 15th - three days rest after the relief appearance - and got shelled in a start against the Cardinals. He allowed 19 balls in play in that latter start against the Cardinals, and 10 of them were line drives. He gave up 8 hits, 5 runs, 2 walks, and a home run while striking out 4 in only 5 innings.

If I were the manager, I wouldn't ever be pitching Harang out of the bullpen unless it's the last game of a playoff series where he could get four or five days rest afterward.

[Reds Fanatic]

LaRoche flies out to left. 6-1 Pirates mid 4th.

[CTA513]

Hopefully Harang is done for the night.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Ahem.

Due. in. full.

7.58 ERA in the month of May. Tonight didn't help, but he had a 6.58 ERA in May before tonight. And that does not include his relief pitching. Been a rough month... before Sunday.

[WebScorpion]

first pitch fastball right down the middle to Bay
It was the second pitch, but still a meatball. ;)

[NC Reds]

Best farmersonly.com commercial ever. I sense a Reds rally.

[OnBaseMachine]

On August 9th, 2006, Harang threw 117 pitches in a start against the Cardinals. Two days later on August 11th, 2006, Harang pitched an inning of relief in the 13th inning in a game against Philadelphia.

He came back on August 15th - three days rest after the relief appearance - and got shelled in a start against the Cardinals. He allowed 19 balls in play in that latter start against the Cardinals, and 10 of them were line drives. He gave up 8 hits, 5 runs, 2 walks, and a home run while striking out 4 in only 5 innings.

If I were the manager, I wouldn't ever be pitching Harang out of the bullpen unless it's the last game of a playoff series where he could get four or five days rest afterward.

Exactly. Same with the rest of the starters. It will be interesting to see how Volquez responds tomorrow night.

[flyer85]

Hopefully Harang is done for the night.no reason to send him back out there

[Spring~Fields]

- R. Chavez doubled to left
- P. Dumatrait sacrificed to pitcher, R. Chavez to third
- F. Sanchez hit sacrifice fly to deep right center, R. Chavez scored
- J. Wilson singled to left
- J. Bay homered to deep center, J. Wilson scored
- A. LaRoche flied out to left
- End of Inning (3 Runs, 3 Hits, 0 Errors)

After 3 ½ innings

Runs Hits Errors
Pittsburgh 6 10 1
Cincinnati 1 1 1

Pitches-strikes - P Dumatrait 46-26; A Harang 72-53.

Ground balls-fly balls - P Dumatrait 4-0; A Harang 4-6.

Batters faced - P Dumatrait 11; A Harang 22.

[WebScorpion]

BRRRRUUUUUUUCE!!

[membengal]

No pitching depth. Not even a guy to come up and take Fogg's place or spell an overtaxed rotation with a spot start.

Wrong. Flat wrong.

This one is on Jocketty, IF it was ever truly considered that Harang needed an extra day. Today was Maloney's day in AAA. He's plenty ready to spot a start in the bigs. He could have been up for Belisle, and pitching tonight, and then back down again tomorrow to activate Mercker.

Tonight is, quite simply, an organizational eff up with regard to what Harang had in the tank after last Sunday. No more. No less.

Have to hope there is enough life in the bats to make this interesting late...

[RedsManRick]

Joey Sheehan isn't looking too smart.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bad strike three call on Bruce. Should have been 3-2.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce strikes out looking. 1 out. 5 Ks for Dumatrait.

[NC Reds]

That was a ball. Bruce gets jobbed.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips grounds out to short. 2 outs.

[membengal]

7.58 ERA in the month of May. Tonight didn't help, but he had a 6.58 ERA in May before tonight. And that does not include his relief pitching. Been a rough month... before Sunday.

No argument here. Sooooo, toss in his relief effort Sunday, and why did they not buy him and Volquez an extra day to re-boot?

[Always Red]

On August 9th, 2006, Harang threw 117 pitches in a start against the Cardinals. Two days later on August 11th, 2006, Harang pitched an inning of relief in the 13th inning in a game against Philadelphia.

He came back on August 15th - three days rest after the relief appearance - and got shelled in a start against the Cardinals. He allowed 19 balls in play in that latter start against the Cardinals, and 10 of them were line drives. He gave up 8 hits, 5 runs, 2 walks, and a home run while striking out 4 in only 5 innings.

If I were the manager, I wouldn't ever be pitching Harang out of the bullpen unless it's the last game of a playoff series where he could get four or five days rest afterward.

As Brantley pointed out on TV, all of his pitches were up in the zone; he wasn't driving through the ball like he usually does. At first Brantley said that it probably isn't due to fatigue, but then he quickly changed his mind and said it might be.

I have no problem at all with a 4 man rotation and pitching guys on 3 days rest. BUT, you have to work up to it, it has to be organization-wide, and the pitchers have to be "raised" that way. And you can't sneak relief outings in between...

As you have pointed out, you just can't throw Harang out there on 3 days rest and expect the usual excellence from him.

He'll be OK, and they need to take him out now.

[Screwball]

Man, I thought Phillips (Brandon) was gonna crush Dumatrait tonight. So far he's grounded weakly to short on very hittable pitches both times up.

[Spring~Fields]

Bad strike three call on Bruce. Should have been 3-2.

Send out Guito and Knuckles in the concrete truck and take care of dat ump.

[Reds Fanatic]

Infield hit for Dunn

[Reds Fanatic]

A. Phillips lines out to 2nd. 6-1 Pirates after 4.

[RedFanAlways1966]

No argument here. Sooooo, toss in his relief effort Sunday, and why did they not buy him and Volquez an extra day to re-boot?

I won't argue either. I agree with you. Harang had bad command in his last start at San Diego too. Has not looked right lately (w/out shadows to help). Dusty will probably claim that Aaron might be hurt.

[OnBaseMachine]

I hope Andy Phillips isn't going to start taking atbats from Encarnacion. I'm really not sure why Edwin isn't starting tonight after doubling and making a web gem last night.

Phil Dumatrait has a 2-hitter through four innings, folks.

[Spring~Fields]

- J. Bruce struck out looking
- B. Phillips grounded out to shortstop
- A. Dunn singled to shallow right center
- A. Phillips lined out to second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

After 4 complete

Runs Hits Errors
Pittsburgh 6 10 1
Cincinnati 1 2 1

Pitches-strikes - P Dumatrait 62-36; A Harang 72-53.

Ground balls-fly balls - P Dumatrait 5-1; A Harang 4-6.

Batters faced - P Dumatrait 15; A Harang 22.

[Always Red]

Phil Dumatrait has a 2-hitter through four innings, folks.

Hmmm... and the Reds have actually hit lefties pretty good this year, too.

Maybe the Pirates saw something in Phil that the Reds brain trust missed?

[Spring~Fields]

Dunn out already ???????????

- J. Hairston Jr. in left field
- J. Affeldt relieved A. Harang
- P. Janish at shortstop

manager working over time tonight with his thinking cap.......

[Reds Fanatic]

Double switch. Affeldt in to pitch. Janish in at short. Hairston to left.
Nady homers. 7-1 Pirates.

[WVRedsFan]

I hope Andy Phillips isn't going to start taking atbats from Encarnacion. I'm really not sure why Edwin isn't starting tonight after doubling and making a web gem last night.

Phil Dumatrait has a 2-hitter through four innings, folks.

New toy syndrome.

Kind of like why is Freel in center.

Kind of like why Patterson in CF.

No answer.

[OnBaseMachine]

Why is Dunn out of the game?

[NC Reds]

Did he take Dunn out of the game in the 5th inning? What?

[Aronchis]

This one is over. Once Harang ran out of steam it was all over. Affeldt stinking up the joint again.

[mbgrayson]

After 4 innings, Harang is at 72 pitches. Looking at the last inning, the Pirates hits are as follows:

Chavez 74 mph curve- Double
Dumatrait 86 mph fastball- sac bunt
Sanchez 87 mph fastball- sac fly
Wilson 81 mph slider-single
Bay 87 mph fastball- homer
Laroche 88 mph fastball- fly out


I have no doubt that those Sunday night pitches effected Harang today.

[Reds Fanatic]

Yes he actually took Dunn out. That will get your team back in the game take out the best power hitter.

[Reds Fanatic]

Michaels grounds out to 3rd. 1 out.

[Spring~Fields]

I have no doubt that those Sunday night pitches effected Harang today.

Something sure did, and Sunday is the most apparent reason, without further explanation.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bautista strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[jojo]

Deal worked out for Dunn.........

[jojo]

psyche......................

[Reds Fanatic]

Chavez lines out to 2nd. 7-1 Pirates mid 5th.

[PuffyPig]

Just think, this is probably still a 1-1 game right now if Harang would attempt to get hitters out by making them chase 0-2 pitches rather than throwing 0-2 meatballs down the middle.

You do understand that Harang isn't trying to throw meatballs down the middle of the plate?

Harang doesn't have his control tonight, and his pitches were finding too much of the plate.

[Tornon]

Deal worked out for Dunn.........

Is that speculation or did you hear something?

[OnBaseMachine]

Unless Dunn is injured, it's beyond foolish to take him out of a 6-1 game after four innings, especially with Dumatrait pitching and the Pirates bullpen.

[Spring~Fields]

- X. Nady homered to deep right
- J. Michaels grounded out to third
- J. Bautista struck out swinging
- R. Chavez lined out to second
- End of Inning (1 Run, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

Pitches-strikes - J Affeldt 13-9.

Ground balls-fly balls -J Affeldt 1-1.

Batters faced - J Affeldt 4.

[Reds Fanatic]

Is that speculation or did you hear something?He is just kidding. This is just Dusty's typical too early in the game double switch.

[jojo]

Is that speculation or did you hear something?

It was a joke.

[alloverjr]

Deal worked out for Dunn.........

Other than that or injury, is there really a defensible reason to pull him?

BTW Walt, take Freel away from Dusty.

[Highlifeman21]

On August 9th, 2006, Harang threw 117 pitches in a start against the Cardinals. Two days later on August 11th, 2006, Harang pitched an inning of relief in the 13th inning in a game against Philadelphia.

He came back on August 15th - three days rest after the relief appearance - and got shelled in a start against the Cardinals. He allowed 19 balls in play in that latter start against the Cardinals, and 10 of them were line drives. He gave up 8 hits, 5 runs, 2 walks, and a home run while striking out 4 in only 5 innings.

If I were the manager, I wouldn't ever be pitching Harang out of the bullpen unless it's the last game of a playoff series where he could get four or five days rest afterward.


Remember when Narron tried to defend the move by saying Harang was due for some side work anyway that night, and figured he should get him some side work in the form of a relief appearance?

Just another gift from Narron.

[Always Red]

Unless Dunn is injured, it's beyond foolish to take him out of a 6-1 game after four innings, especially with Dumatrait pitching and the Pirates bullpen.

True that.

This move makes no sense at all. Unless you fold up the tent and go home after 4 innings.

[Cyclone792]

Dusty makes a bonafide stupid decision on Sunday, and that stupid decision is still costing the Reds on Thursday.

And that doesn't even get to the question of why in the world Adam Dunn is out of the game.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Phil Dumatrait vs. Aaron Harang


Dumatrait, one of the worst pitchers I have ever seen wear a Reds uniform looks like Sandy Koufax.

Aaron Harang looks like Josh Fogg.

Hilariously typical.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

[OnBaseMachine]

No physical problems for Dunn per the broadcast. Just more bad managing.

[Always Red]

Just another gift from Narron.

The gift that keeps on giving? ;)

[membengal]

Dusty makes a bonafide stupid decision on Sunday, and that stupid decision is still costing the Reds on Thursday.

And that doesn't even get to the question of why in the world Adam Dunn is out of the game.

Aye. It is a really REALLY strange series of managerial decisions from Dusty.

And that is being charitable...

[OnBaseMachine]

It sounds like Brantley is also questioning the usage of Harang on Sunday.

[WrongVerb]

Guys...Dunn can't be dealt until June 15th.

Dusty just made an idiotic move. Seriously I saw that and my first thought was ? He's given up? What a terrible manager.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross strikes out swinging. Dumatrait has struck out 6. 2 outs.

[PuffyPig]

No physical problems for Dunn per the broadcast. Just more bad managing.


Since Phillips made the last out, he was the more logical choice anyway.

[Spring~Fields]

No physical problems for Dunn per the broadcast. Just more bad managing.

I thought that our team might be in trouble when I saw the no logic batting order but dismissed it to a bad imagination on my part.

[OnBaseMachine]

5 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 7 K for Dumatrait. Amazing.

[Cyclone792]

It sounds like Brantley is also questioning the usage of Harang on Sunday.

Marty and Thom have been making the comment that if the Reds planned on putting Fogg in the rotation then why isn't he pitching tonight's game as the stopgap to push Harang and Volquez back another day from that relief outing.

Instead they just opted to risk injury to their ace.

[Reds Fanatic]

Janish strikes out looking. Bad call but 7 Ks for Dumatrait. Through 5 the Reds have not hit a ball out of the infield.

[CTA513]

5 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 7 K for Dumatrait. Amazing.

This will probably be the best game he pitches all year.

[Raisor]

I've had enough of Dusty.

I blame the internet for my lack of patience.

But there it is.

[Spring~Fields]

- J. Votto grounded out to second
- D. Ross struck out swinging
- P. Janish struck out looking
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

After 5 complete

Runs Hits Errors
Pittsburgh 7 11 1
Cincinnati 1 2 1
Pitches-strikes - P Dumatrait 76-45; A Harang 72-53; J Affeldt 13-9.

Ground balls-fly balls - P Dumatrait 6-1; A Harang 4-6; J Affeldt 1-1.

Batters faced - P Dumatrait 18; A Harang 22; J Affeldt 4.

[jojo]

Guys...Dunn can't be dealt until June 15th.

Actually he can be dealt anytime. It's just that before June 15th, the Reds have to ask him nicely to let them.

[Falls City Beer]

It's hard to agree with taking Dunn out early or leading off Patterson. However, when the pitchers basically take your offense out of the picture by the 4th inning, it's hard for me to grouse about a detail like Dunn when the bigger problem of pitching continues to loom over this team week in and week out.

[jojo]

I've had enough of Dusty.

I blame the internet for my lack of patience.

But there it is.

I blame bis phenol A in the drinking water.

[alloverjr]

Since Phillips made the last out, he was the more logical choice anyway.

OR...tell Dusty the double switch has been declared illegal and stop doing it to try and make yourself look smart. I'm glad we have Affeldt for 2 innings so Javy can pinch hit in the 5 hole.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dumatrait grounds out to 1st. 1 out.

[HokieRed]

Looks like maybe we had the fifth starter we need right under our nose. Wayne just keeps on giving.

[Falls City Beer]

Looks like maybe we had the fifth starter we need right under our nose. Wayne just keeps on giving.

Who?

[Always Red]

This will probably be the best game he pitches all year.

Maybe, maybe not.

Does it really matter though, when you take Dunn's bat out of the game for Paul Janish?

Can someone please explain to me why we need defense when we are down 6-1 in the 4th inning????

This team is becoming increasingly hard to root for, even with the addition of Jay Bruce. :confused:

[OnBaseMachine]

Looks like maybe we had the fifth starter we need right under our nose. Wayne just keeps on giving.

Dumatrait is terrible. I want no part of him in the Reds organization.

[Reds Fanatic]

Sanchez grounds out to 3rd. 2 outs.

[Tommyjohn25]

Please tone down the Dusty bashing all. You have all voiced your displeasure. No need to teeter on dead horse territory.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

The team had a day off Monday. No need to take Dunn out.

I guess when you take the first two games of a series, it's standard by the book managing to have the Sunday special lineup. Either that or his ace is getting abused by Phil Dumatrait (LOL), so he gives up.

Either way, a weak message.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wilson lines out to left. 7-1 Pirates mid 6th.

[membengal]

Marty and Thom have been making the comment that if the Reds planned on putting Fogg in the rotation then why isn't he pitching tonight's game as the stopgap to push Harang and Volquez back another day from that relief outing.

Instead they just opted to risk injury to their ace.

And THAT is a ridiculously on point and wonderful question. Good work by the Bs in raising that.

As good as Jocketty has been in the past week with moves, this one tonite is a puzzler...

[Spring~Fields]

- P. Dumatrait grounded out to first
- F. Sanchez grounded out to third
- J. Wilson lined out to left
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

Pitches-strikes - J Affeldt 27-16.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Affeldt 3-2.

Batters faced - J Affeldt 7.

[jojo]

The team had a day off Monday. No need to take Dunn out.

Maybe he has lymes disease?

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Now that the game is over the Pirates finally go down in order.

Phil Dumatrait:

Reds killer. With the team and against it.

[Tommyjohn25]

And THAT is a ridiculously on point and wonderful question. Good work by the Bs in raising that.

As good as Jocketty has been in the past week with moves, this one tonite is a puzzler...


This one is certainly confusing. I also wonder why they didn't just skip Maloney today and give him the call for Saturday.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel grounds out to short. 1 out.

[flyer85]

Why is Dunn out of the game?Dusty punts on the game

[Raisor]

Maybe he has lymes disease?



deer ticks are bad

[Spring~Fields]

Dunn and Hairston have the only two hits so far tonight.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hairston grounds out to the pitcher. 2 outs.

[OnBaseMachine]

Easy 1-2-3 6th inning for Dumatrait.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Phil Dumatrait.

You can't stop him. You can only hope to contain him.

LOL.

[edabbs44]

Please tone down the Dusty bashing all. You have all voiced your displeasure. No need to teeter on dead horse territory.

This is teetering? :p:

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce grounds out to short.

Amazing. Now 6 innings the Reds have not hit a ball out of the infield.

[flyer85]

Since Phillips made the last out, he was the more logical choice anyway.I guess since they only have 2 days off in June Dusty gave him in early night

[flyer85]

Marty and Thom have been making the comment that if the Reds planned on putting Fogg in the rotation then why isn't he pitching tonight's game as the stopgap to push Harang and Volquez back another day from that relief outing.a legit question

[Spring~Fields]

- R. Freel grounded out to shortstop
- J. Hairston Jr. grounded out to pitcher
- J. Bruce grounded out to shortstop
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

After 6 complete

Runs Hits Errors
Pittsburgh 7 11 1
Cincinnati 1 2 1


P. Dumatrait 6.0 2 1 0 1 7 0 3.59

Pitches-strikes - P Dumatrait 85-52; A Harang 72-53; J Affeldt 27-16.

Ground balls-fly balls - P Dumatrait 9-1; A Harang 4-6; J Affeldt 3-2.

Batters faced - P Dumatrait 21; A Harang 22; J Affeldt 7

[Falls City Beer]

This game clearly illustrates the need to turn Arroyo into a young starter + a reliever/offense player.

This team needs a serious depth infusion.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bay fouls out to right. 1 out.

[Tommyjohn25]

This is teetering? :p:

:D Trying to be polite..ya know. :cool:

[Reds Fanatic]

LaRoche grounds out to 1st. 2 outs.

[OnBaseMachine]

Nice 1-2-3 7th inning for Bray.

[Raisor]

This game clearly illustrates the need to turn Arroyo into a young starter + a reliever/offense player.

This team needs a serious depth infusion.

Really think the Braves are a good fit. They've got major problems in the rotation due to injuries.

[Reds Fanatic]

Nady flies out to left. 7-1 Pirates mid 7th.

[Spring~Fields]

- B. Bray relieved J. Affeldt
- J. Bay flied out to right
- A. LaRoche grounded out to first
- X. Nady flied out to deep left
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)


Pitches-strikes - B Bray 7-5.

Ground balls-fly balls - B Bray 1-2.

Batters faced - B Bray 3.

[Reds Fanatic]

4 pitch walk to Phillips

[Reds Fanatic]

Edwin pinch hitting for Bray.

[membengal]

Have we figured out if MLB has changed the rules so the Reds can get Dunn back into this game?

[Raisor]

Have we figured out if MLB has changed the rules so the Reds can get Dunn back into this game?

Put a wig on him, and let him pretend to be Arroyo.

[Always Red]

:D Trying to be polite..ya know. :cool:

TJ, can I politely ask you why you think Dunn was removed from a game the Reds were losing in the 4th inning, after 2 Ab's and a hit?

If he's not injured, overmatched or being traded, it's a mystery.

And the manager squarely come into question for that, right?

[OnBaseMachine]

Wow. That 3-1 pitch to Edwin was shoulder height but the ump called it a strike. Should have runners on first and second and nobody out.