Reds vs Braves 5/31/08

[Joseph]

Larrys

1. Yunel Escobar ss
2. Kelly Johnson 2b
3. Chipper Jones 3b
4. Mark Teixeira 1b
5. Brian McCann c
6. Jeff Francoeur rf
7. Greg Norton lf
8. Gregor Blanco cf
9. Jair Jurrjens p

Redlegs

1. Jerry Hairston Jr. ss
2. Jay Bruce cf
3. Ken Griffey Jr. rf
4. Brandon Phillips 2b
5. Adam Dunn lf
6. Edwin Encarnacion 3b
7. Joey Votto 1b
8. David Ross c
9. Josh Fogg p

[Joseph]

Homers stat post again:

Braves vs. Fogg:


OPPOSING HITTER AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Chipper Jones 9 1 0 0 0 1 5 0 0.111 0.429 0.111 0.540
Jeff Francoeur 8 3 1 0 0 1 0 1 0.375 0.375 0.500 0.875
Mark Teixeira 7 4 1 0 1 5 0 1 0.571 0.571 1.143 1.714
Brian McCann 6 4 2 0 0 2 2 0 0.667 0.750 1.000 1.750
Kelly Johnson 5 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 0.200 0.200 0.400 0.600
Tom Glavine 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
John Smoltz 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Matt Diaz 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.333 0.333 0.333 0.667
Gregor Blanco 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.500 0.500 0.500 1.000
Greg Norton 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000
Mark Kotsay 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000
Tim Hudson 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Corky Miller 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Martin Prado 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000

Reds vs. Jurrjens:


OPPOSING HITTER AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Jerry Hairston 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000

Jurrjens Last 5:


DATE OPP RESULT IP H R ER HR BB SO GB FB PIT BF GSc DEC REL ERA*
26-May ARI W 7-3 4.2 8 3 3 1 2 4 3 8 97 24 38 - - 2.86
21-May NYM W 11-4 7 5 2 1 0 2 1 17 5 101 29 60 W(5-3) - 2.64
16-May OAK W 3-2 5 8 2 0 0 3 3 7 9 101 25 47 - - 2.82
12-May @PIT L 5-0 5 3 3 3 0 3 5 5 4 69 20 51 L(4-3) - 3.1
6-May SD W 5-3 6 7 1 1 0 1 8 7 6 103 27 61 W(4-2) - 2.84

Fogg Last 4:


DATE OPP RESULT IP H R ER HR BB SO GB FB PIT BF GSc DEC REL ERA*
25-May @SD L 12-9 0.2 2 2 2 0 0 0 2 0 8 4 - - H(1) 9
22-May @SD L 8-2 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 13 4 - - - 8.51
20-May @LAD L 4-1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 10 3 - - - 8.87
4-May @ATL L 14-7 2.2 6 5 5 0 2 3 3 4 59 17 - - - 9.27

Reds Hitting:


HITTER'S NAME GP AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS
Jay Bruce 4 14 5 8 3 0 0 11 3 4 1 2 0 0.571 0.684 0.786 1.470
J. Hairston Jr. 30 87 15 30 9 1 1 44 9 7 14 10 2 0.345 0.396 0.506 0.902
J. Keppinger 39 148 17 48 7 1 3 66 21 12 8 2 0 0.324 0.373 0.446 0.819
Ryan Freel 44 123 15 38 8 0 0 46 10 8 18 5 4 0.309 0.353 0.374 0.727
Joey Votto 51 164 28 48 10 0 10 88 29 17 31 3 2 0.293 0.359 0.537 0.896
Paul Janish 12 24 1 7 0 0 0 7 5 2 4 0 0 0.292 0.346 0.292 0.638
B. Phillips 53 211 35 61 12 4 10 111 30 16 38 9 2 0.289 0.338 0.526 0.864
David Ross 18 45 4 12 1 0 1 16 5 9 11 0 0 0.267 0.389 0.356 0.744
Adam Dunn 52 164 30 42 6 0 14 90 36 41 48 1 0 0.256 0.405 0.549 0.954
Paul Bako 41 130 15 33 5 2 4 54 15 15 39 0 2 0.254 0.331 0.415 0.746
J. Valentin 25 41 3 10 3 0 0 13 3 3 8 0 0 0.244 0.295 0.317 0.613
K. Griffey Jr. 52 197 25 48 9 0 5 72 24 27 32 0 1 0.244 0.335 0.365 0.700
Norris Hopper 15 25 2 6 0 0 0 6 0 2 0 1 0 0.240 0.321 0.240 0.561
E. Encarnacion 52 189 25 43 11 0 8 78 22 20 35 1 0 0.228 0.303 0.413 0.716

Braves Hitting:


HITTER'S NAME GP AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS
Chipper Jones 51 193 39 79 11 0 12 126 35 31 19 0 0 0.409 0.489 0.653 1.142
Brian McCann 50 184 27 60 19 1 9 108 32 20 21 0 0 0.326 0.390 0.587 0.977
Yunel Escobar 52 202 31 62 6 1 4 82 22 22 28 2 2 0.307 0.373 0.406 0.779
Kelly Johnson 47 174 28 52 12 2 6 86 25 17 35 5 2 0.299 0.359 0.494 0.853
Mark Kotsay 47 170 23 50 8 2 4 74 21 13 16 2 1 0.294 0.344 0.435 0.780
Brayan Pena 14 14 3 4 1 0 0 5 0 1 2 0 0 0.286 0.333 0.357 0.690
Gregor Blanco 42 109 13 31 4 1 1 40 8 22 26 4 0 0.284 0.403 0.367 0.770
Martin Prado 18 39 10 11 3 2 0 18 6 7 3 1 0 0.282 0.383 0.462 0.845
Omar Infante 17 48 5 13 2 1 0 17 4 6 5 0 0 0.271 0.352 0.354 0.706
Mark Teixeira 53 201 29 54 14 0 6 86 36 27 29 0 0 0.269 0.357 0.428 0.784
J. Francoeur 54 215 27 54 14 2 5 87 32 13 36 0 1 0.251 0.303 0.405 0.708
Ruben Gotay 35 32 3 8 1 0 0 9 1 7 10 1 0 0.250 0.385 0.281 0.666
Matt Diaz 42 132 9 33 2 0 2 41 14 3 32 4 2 0.250 0.270 0.311 0.581
Greg Norton 20 30 4 5 1 0 0 6 3 9 6 0 0 0.167 0.359 0.200 0.559
Jeff Bennett 26 6 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 0.167 0.286 0.167 0.452

[TeamCasey]

I thought the game was on Fox. They're playing Dodgers / Mets

[Tommyjohn25]

I thought the game was on Fox. They're playing Dodgers / Mets

Depends on where you live. Check the Fox thread in ORG. I am lucky enough to get it today in Charlotte. I got shafted last time.

[reds44]

Ken Rosenthal offering up no information on Adam Dunn that everybody doesn't already know.

Thanks Ken.

[TeamCasey]

TY .... my TV listings say we do .... I think we're going to get hosed.

[Raisor]

Ken Rosenthal offering up no information on Adam Dunn that everybody doesn't already know.

Thanks Ken.

"They'll either trade him or sign him long term."


He actually got paid for that apperance.

[Chip R]

Ken Rosenthal offering up no information on Adam Dunn that everybody doesn't already know.

Thanks Ken.


Except most of the local media.

[Joseph]

Leo Mazzone is the Fox analyst on the Reds game today. What say Cast just keeps him in town? :)

[OnBaseMachine]

Why are the Reds wearing their all Red jerseys today? They usually just wear those on Sunday home games.

[reds44]

Mets game starting on time.

Boo.

[reds44]

Why are the Reds wearing their all Red jerseys today?
Because those are the best jerseys...

[TeamCasey]

We are getting it on Fox. Not sure why they said we were getting the other game.

[OnBaseMachine]

I'm partial to the white jerseys myself.

Looks like another big crowd today...hopefully Fogg doesn't send them home disgusted.

[MrCinatit]

Corky Miller reading the lineups for the Braves?
THE Corky Miller?



Wow!

[Chip R]

Corky Miller with the Braves lineup.

[Raisor]

Rockin Leo in the booth, cool.

[reds44]

He got an out!

[TeamCasey]

Corky Miller with the Braves lineup.


Corky Miller - still lickalicious. :)

[Ron Madden]

Joey Votto is gonna go deep today.

[Chip R]

Corky Miller - still lickalicious. :)

:eek:

[reds44]

And here we go. Back to back hits.

[Chip R]

Grounder to short, no harm done.

[reds44]

Gameday had that pitch a foot outside.

[Kc61]

Fogg gets out of it. Everyone is being kind of negative about Josh. Maybe he'll surprise us with a good outing.

[reds44]

Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce.

Got that batting average up to .600.

[Chip R]

Hariston grounds to 2nd and Bruce follows with another hit

[Big Klu]

Why are the Reds wearing their all Red jerseys today? They usually just wear those on Sunday home games.

I noticed that, too. I wonder if they might start occasionally wearing them on the road, too (kind of like the White Sox with their black jerseys).

[OnBaseMachine]

Jay Bruce introduced the Reds lineup. Joey "Canuck" Votto.

Hairston hit a ball up the middle that would have went into center field but Jurrjens knocked it down and Johnson threw him out.

Bruce singles. 9-for-15.

3-0 on Griff.

[Raisor]

As long as Junior doesn't GIDP I'll be content.

[OnBaseMachine]

#599!!!!

2-0 Reds!

[Raisor]

At least he didn't GIDP!

[reds44]

599!

[MrCinatit]

Two very sweet swings, back to back.
Kinda like the changing of the guard.

[TeamCasey]

599 Baybeh!

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 252
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Eric Davis - 203
8. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 201
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

[Chip R]

"And he will get the curtain call from the hometown crowd, one will assume."

Crickets.

Ouch.

[Falls City Beer]

How many innings before Fogg surrenders this lead?

[Chip R]

BP goes yard with a rally killer!

[OnBaseMachine]

Phillips back-to-back!

3-0 Reds!

[reds44]

Phillips!

Back to back!

[edabbs44]

How many innings before Fogg surrenders this lead?

1.1

[Big Klu]

Maybe they should take these red jerseys on the road! :thumbup:

[edabbs44]

Jurrens getting slightly roughed up.

[Falls City Beer]

Jurrjens must be injured.

[RedFanAlways1966]

I love back-to-back HRs for the REDS. Not as much as back-to-back-to-back HRs, but I love it.

:beerme:

[fearofpopvol1]

I think I read a scouting report that said your best chance of getting to Jurrjens is to get to him early because it takes him an inning usually to get settled.

[OnBaseMachine]

Jurrjens must be injured.

Or he's young and having his ups and downs like all young pitchers.

Dunn walks on four pitches.

[Falls City Beer]

1.1

You gotta believe he'll walk the pitcher next inning with two outs, opening the floodgates.

[Edskin]

EE better hop on this train fast or he may be asked to derail.

[fearofpopvol1]

I don't question Dusty as many as others, but I don't understand him batting EdE ahead of Votto, at least for right now.

[Edskin]

I don't question Dusty as many as others, but I don't understand him batting EdE ahead of Votto, at least for right now.

I think the reasoning is the lefty-righty thing. Not saying I agree, but I think that's the thought process.

Personally, I'm ready to hand 3B over to Freel at least 4 games a week.

[Falls City Beer]

Sounds like McDowell got his message through--pound inside. Throw strikes, they'll get themselves out.

[OnBaseMachine]

Great atbat by Joey Votto. He fell behind 0-2 and then fouled some pitches off before working a walk. 1st and 2nd for Ross.

[Ron Madden]

I don't question Dusty as many as others, but I don't understand him batting EdE ahead of Votto, at least for right now.

I don't care if Ruth and Gehrig did bat back to back, ya gotta split those leftys in the batting order up.

;)

[fearofpopvol1]

I think the reasoning is the lefty-righty thing. Not saying I agree, but I think that's the thought process.

Personally, I'm ready to hand 3B over to Freel at least 4 games a week.

Yeah, I understand, but the thing is that Votto can hit lefties. That's why I doesn't make much sense to me.

Nice AB by Votto. That was great to get a walk out of that.

[Falls City Beer]

Very nice AB by Votto against a very tough young pitcher.

[Big Klu]

Man, I'm really liking Leo Mazzone's commentary. He reminds me a lot of our old basketball coach here in Cambridge.

[OnBaseMachine]

2-0 on Ross. Foul on a pitch up. 2-1. Strike two called. 2-2. Ball just in. 3-2. Ball 4 again just outside. Bases loaded for Fogg. 37 pitches already.

[Chip R]

I thought ball 3 was strike 3 to Ross.

[fearofpopvol1]

What is up with these patient Reds??? Nice walk by Ross.

[OnBaseMachine]

Man, I'm really liking Leo Mazzone's commentary. He reminds me a lot of our old basketball coach here in Cambridge.

He likes to laugh don't he?

[Chip R]

Time to pinch hit.

[Falls City Beer]

Good, take the walk. Get em to throw three more pitches in an already taxing inning. Get the pitcher out of the way for the next.

[MrCinatit]

Reds batters are making this kid throw a lot of pitches in the first. A good inning in which they are showing a lot of patience.

Meanwhile, Thom actually asks Leo about his rocking in the dugout - Leo, being very good natured about it, says it is a nerves thing (I think...was half listening)

[OnBaseMachine]

Fogg grounds out but a 41 pitch first inning for Jurrjens.

[reds44]

Reds offense needs to now stay patient and not go to sleep the rest of the way. 3 will not stand up in this game.

[fearofpopvol1]

At least Fogg put the ball in play and worked him for 5 pitches. 41 pitches for Jair after 1 inning. That can only be a good thing for the Reds.

[reds44]

For those of you like myself who aren't getting the Reds game on FOX, they are going to show all of Griffey's ABs live.

[Big Klu]

He likes to laugh don't he?

Yep. I'm sure he has a lot of great stories, too!

[Chip R]

Francouer leads off with a base hit to left.

[Reds Fanatic]

2 run homer for Norton

[OnBaseMachine]

Unbelievable. Greg freaking Norton homerun. 3-2.

[Chip R]

Norton homers to right

[jesusfan]

why do we have to pitch this guy when we have other options!

[jesusfan]

A Bum!

[OnBaseMachine]

I'm really not sure how Josh Fogg ever made it to the major leagues.

[CTA513]

Josh Fogg has already given up 6 homeruns this season.

[Falls City Beer]

Will they be showing every one of Norton's ABs too?

[Chip R]

A Bum!


All right. We know he stinks.

[Reds Fanatic]

Blanco flies out to center and Jurrjens grounds out to 1st.

[Edskin]

Here's how I look at it: We don't really have a 5th starter. So, IMO, you should just go down the line, giving different guy's a crack at it. If they do OK, keep them there until they falter, and then try someone else.

I had no problem giving Fogg the first look. He stunk, so we tried Belisle. He was bad too.

But why then go BACK to Fogg? Just keep the line moving and try someone else.

Stupid.

[mth123]

2 run homer for Norton

C. Trent:

"At least he didn't walk him":bowrofl:

[Big Klu]

I am absolutely loving Leo Mazzone's comments!

[Reds Fanatic]

Escobar grounds out to short to end the inning. 3-2 Reds mid 2nd.

[OnBaseMachine]

I don't think Jerry Hairston is capable of making a good throw to first base. Every time a ball is hit to him he either bounces it and forces Votto to pick it or he throw it wide of first base like he did there.

[fearofpopvol1]

Are they not showing the highlights on gameday like they usually do?

[Reds Fanatic]

Leadoff single for Hairston

[Edskin]

Hairston-Bruce might be the most lethal 1-2 combo in MLB history!

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce lines a single to right. Bruce goes to 2nd on the throw to 3rd.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce singles again! Hairston goes to 3rd and Bruce to 2nd!

2nd and 3rd nobody out for Griffey!

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce now 2 for 2 today and 10 for 16 overall. Unreal numbers.

[MrCinatit]

This is amazingly ridiculous - in a very good way.

[jesusfan]

BRUCE is Crazy good! Wow!

[jesusfan]

Nice job Griffey... I'm loving this style of play...

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior lines a sac fly to center. 4-2 Reds. Bruce goes to 3rd.

[fearofpopvol1]

Productive out for KGJ, no doubt about that. I'll take it.

[Chip R]

Bruce now 2 for 2 today and 10 for 16 overall. Unreal numbers.


I think I may convert my religion to Bruceanity.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips hit it hard but lines out to 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Intentional walk to Dunn

[OnBaseMachine]

Another walk for Dunn. That's 43 walks already.

[Falls City Beer]

I wouldn't give Dunn anything to hit either with EdE behind him.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bloop hit to left centrer for Edwin. 2nd and 3rd. 5-2 Reds

[jesusfan]

There we go... 5-2... where did this aggressive base-running come from.. I like what you do for this team Brucie Bruce!

[Big Klu]

Can we hire Leo Mazzone? I mean, if the Reds aren't interested, can we hire him here at RedsZone?

[Reds Fanatic]

Intentional walk to Votto

[jesusfan]

IBB to Votto... make em pay Ross!

[OnBaseMachine]

Edwin comes through!

Intentional walk to Votto. Bases loaded for Ross.

[Falls City Beer]

EdE breaks his 0-60000 streak; and it's meaningful!

[fearofpopvol1]

This is an odd inning...but I like it!

[reds44]

5 isn't going to be enough either.

Get. More. Runs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross grounds into a 5-4 FC. 5-2 Reds after 2.

[OnBaseMachine]

Terrible atbat by Ross. He had a chance to bust the game open and instead swung at two bad balls out of the strikezone. A little patience needed to be shown there.

[reds44]

I don't think I've ever seen two intentional walks in the 2nd inning of a game before.

Jurjens has 64 pitches thru 2.

Must keep scoring.

[Reds Fanatic]

Johnson lines a double to right

[reds44]

And here we go again.

[OnBaseMachine]

This better be the last time Josh Fogg wears a Reds uniform. Five runs should be enough to win but it's not with him pitching.

[reds44]

This better be the last time Josh Fogg wears a Reds uniform. Five runs should be enough to win but it's not with him pitching.
Seriously. Maloney or Thompson. I really don't care which one, but it would probably be Maloney.

[Reds Fanatic]

Jones walks. 1st and 2nd.

[Falls City Beer]

Chipper Jones is one ugly hillbilly.

[reds44]

1st and 2nd
0 outs

Tex up. What could go wrong?

[mth123]

This better be the last time Josh Fogg wears a Reds uniform. Five runs should be enough to win but it's not with him pitching.

I was in favor of him getting this start to see if the Reds could dump him on June 15th. That was a mistake. Time for Maloney next time out for the 5 spot IMO.

[OnBaseMachine]

I see bad things coming on with Teixeira up.

[OnBaseMachine]

Tie game. Unreal.

[Reds Freak]

I don't think I've ever seen two intentional walks in the 2nd inning of a game before.

Jurjens has 64 pitches thru 2.

Must keep scoring.

Let's hope the Reds offense doesn't go into their usual score early, go into a shell mode. I cringe every time a Fogg pitch floats up there. And as I speak...tie game...

[Reds Fanatic]

Teixeira homers to center. Tie game 5-5. This better be the end of Fogg for good.

[dougdirt]

Yay. :(

[reds44]

:lol:

Who could have seen this going bad?

[fearofpopvol1]

Tie game. Unreal.

you jinxed him!

[Chip R]

This better be the last time Josh Fogg wears a Reds uniform. Five runs should be enough to win but it's not with him pitching.


You may be right. I'm not sure even Dusty could put a positive spin on this.

[OnBaseMachine]

I don't know whose decision it was to start Josh Fogg today but it was sure was a dumb decision, and this result was quite predictable.

[reds44]

ERA now sits at 10 on the dot.

[Edskin]

10.00 ERA.

Seriously?

We're getting what we deserve for running him out there.

[fearofpopvol1]

The worst part is after the jack, there are still no outs! So it's like starting all over again.

[Reds Fanatic]

McCann walks.

[dougdirt]

I don't know whose decision it was to start Josh Fogg today but it was sure was a dumb decision, and this result was quite predictable.

You can thank Dusty for that one. He is the gift that keeps on giving.

[OnBaseMachine]

Hell, even Matt Belisle held the Braves to two runs on eight hits in 5.1 innings in Atlanta earlier this month.

[fearofpopvol1]

Get the pen warming Dusty.

I'd be shocked if Fogg gets out of this inning without another run scoring.

[jesusfan]

There is no way Thompson or Bailey could be worse than this...

[reds44]

Belisle is still better than Fogg is.

Less bad.

[Edskin]

I predict that this game ends sometime early Tuesday morning........

[reds44]

This is where not having a long guy comes back to bite the Reds in the rear end.

[Reds Fanatic]

Francouer pops out to short. 1 out.

[BrooklynRedz]

If your only "real" pitcher option is Josh Fogg, why not just start Freel on the mound? I have a hard time imagining a worse result.

[Reds Fanatic]

Norton flies out to the warning track in left. 2 outs.

[Chip R]

This is where not having a long guy comes back to bite the Reds in the rear end.


Looks like Lincoln is warming up. Affeldt may get a shot here pretty soon.

[Rounding Third]

There is no way Thompson or Bailey could be worse than this...

I'll take Matt Maloney right about now.

[Reds Freak]

This ump's strike zone is a shoe box. Fogg still stinks regardless but that's not helping. Although, it is a shoe box for Atlanta too.

[Falls City Beer]

I have no problem promoting Maloney to do his LH Elizardo schtick, but it looks like Thompson may be worth keeping; I see no reason to overpromote (punish) him just because the last GM failed to identify MLB depth in the offseason.

[penantboundreds]

does fogg have a fastball?

[jesusfan]

5-5 mid 3... rediculous!

[OnBaseMachine]

Good point by Thom. It seems like the Reds have totally dominated this game yet it's a 5-5 game thanks to one guy.

[Reds Fanatic]

Blanco grounds out to 1st. 5-5 mid 3rd. Fogg is leading off so hopefully that is it.

[Edskin]

Overall, the news is still good, IMO. We KNEW Fogg would get rocked and I had this one penicled in as a loss before it started. But we've given up 5 runs through 3 innings and we aren't even losing! This is still a winnable game. Braves fans are the ones that should be upset right now.

[Rounding Third]

Looks like Lincoln is warming up. Affeldt may get a shot here pretty soon.

I hope not, he is good in the pen. Keep him there. Bring up Maloney for a start or two.

[reds44]

I have no problem promoting Maloney to do his LH Elizardo schtick, but it looks like Thompson may be worth keeping; I see no reason to overpromote (punish) him just because the last GM failed to identify MLB depth in the offseason.
Remember when people thought we had a surplus of starters?

:lol:

But seriously LH Elizardo's can stick. The problem is when you get a RH Elizardo.

[mth123]

This is where not having a long guy comes back to bite the Reds in the rear end.

They can always use Harang and Volquez where the long man should be pitching. They've done it before.

[jesusfan]

Fogg still in.. why?

[penantboundreds]

and fogg swings at the first pitch....smart baseball bud

[reds44]

Wow and Fogg batted for himself.

[Ron Madden]

Do you leave Fogg in to take a beating in order to save the rest of the staff?

[Reds Fanatic]

I can't believe he let Fogg hit.

[Edskin]

Fogg still in.. why?

I actually agree with that (non) move. You started him, so you live with him. See if you can get you to the 6th within earshot of winning the game.

[reds44]

Do you leave Fogg in to take a beating in order to save the rest of the staff?
In a 5-0 game? Maybe.
In a 5-5 game? No.

[Reds Freak]

Fogg still in.. why?

Comic relief...

[Rounding Third]

Do you leave Fogg in to take a beating in order to save the rest of the staff?

We have a pitcher capable of givin us 4-5 innings in Affeldt and we are still very much in this game. No, he should be on the bus to Lousville right now.

[Big Klu]

Fogg still in.. why?

I would guess because Dusty doesn't want to cannibalize the bullpen in the bottom of the third inning.

[Raisor]

Hairston's been a real good surprise this year.

There, giving Dusty credit for something.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hairston grounds out to 3rd.

[jesusfan]

If you have a chance to win a ballgame you try to win it... even if it means you have to pull your starter in the 3rd inning...

[Falls City Beer]

Okay, so who do you bring in for Fogg? Really?

And does anyone on earth really think Cueto's going to go longer than 5 innings tomorrow?

You pretty much have to stick with Fogg right now. The entire bullpen will need rotator cuff surgery by the end of the weekend if they go to the pen this inning.

[Raisor]

Bruce swung and miss.

We need a virgin to sacrifice, quick!

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce flies out to left. 5-5 after 3.

[reds44]

Okay, so who do you bring in for Fogg? Really?

And does anyone on earth really think Cueto's going to go longer than 5 innings tomorrow?

You pretty much have to stick with Fogg right now. The entire bullpen will need rotator cuff surgery by the end of the weekend if they go to the pen this inning.
Then send out Fogg after the game and call up a long guy. Then, when Fogg's spot in the rotation comes up, demote the long guy (or Lincoln) and call up Maloney/Thompson.

Not that difficult.

[OnBaseMachine]

Nine pitch inning for Jurrjens. Hopefully this isn't the part where the Reds get away from what made them successful and starting hacking away.

[Kc61]

Dusty is handling this correctly. Fogg is a weak starter but every inning he gets through saves the pen. I'm sure Fogg will be lifted -- no pun intended -- if there is more trouble. If Dusty had another Fogg or Belisle in the pen, it would be no improvement.

I'm sure the Reds will have a new fifth starter very soon. Walt is just waiting to be sure Maloney is ready. Maloney started off poorly this year, has recently been good, I'm sure Walt is just making sure he's ready to go.

Everyone thought the Reds would lose this game, they're ahead of the game in a tie game.

[Raisor]

Bruce flies out to left. 5-5 after 3.


And lo, there was wailing and gnashing of teeth!

[mth123]

Okay, so who do you bring in for Fogg? Really?

And does anyone on earth really think Cueto's going to go longer than 5 innings tomorrow?

You pretty much have to stick with Fogg right now. The entire bullpen will need rotator cuff surgery by the end of the weekend if they go to the pen this inning.

Lincoln now. DFA Fogg after the game and get a fresh arm tomorrow.

[penantboundreds]

the song of the day.....and this inning.....here we go again

[Falls City Beer]

Then send out Fogg after the game and call up a long guy. Then, when Fogg's spot in the rotation comes up, demote the long guy (or Lincoln) and call up Maloney/Thompson.

Not that difficult.

What long guy? Every other option aside from maybe Maloney is just asking for more trouble.

[mth123]

Marty with a good point. Fogg on a 75 pitch limit and is already at 60 or so. This is his last inning anyhow.

[Reds Fanatic]

Jurrjens triples to right.

[penantboundreds]

why is fogg on a pitch count are we worried ab his arm?

[reds44]

Did the pitcher just triple?

[OnBaseMachine]

Jurrjens triples.

Good move by keeping Fogg in. Might as well forfeit the game.

[Reds Fanatic]

Escobar grounds out to 3rd.1 out.

[penantboundreds]

uh, huh?

[jesusfan]

I'd love to have say a Kyle Lohse in this 5 spot...

[OnBaseMachine]

NOW Dusty takes him out. Once again one batter too late by Dusty. Reminds me of Jerry Narron.

[Reds Fanatic]

That is the end of Fogg. Affeldt coming in.

[Chip R]

why is fogg on a pitch count are we worried ab his arm?


Good question. It's moot cause he's out.

[reds44]

Why didn't he just pinch hit for him?

[Falls City Beer]

Come on--even I thought Fogg might be able to retire a pitcher.

This bullpen is going to be shredded by tomorrow night.

[reds44]

I'd love to have say a Kyle Lohse in this 5 spot...
Yeah, but nobody was saying that in the offseason.

Oh wait, yeah we were.

[mth123]

Come on--even I thought Fogg might be able to retire a pitcher.

Exactly. I think they were thinking get a quick out and then leave him in until some one gets on. Trying to eke one more inning out of him. Instead it threw another log on the fire.

[reds44]

Come on--even I thought Fogg might be able to retire a pitcher.

This bullpen is going to be shredded by tomorrow night.
Then send out Fogg and Lincoln and call up two pitchers (Herrera and whoever, maybe even Homer for a few days) and send down Homer (or whoever) when Fogg's spot in the rotation comes back up.

You can get yourself some more arms.

[Edskin]

Affeldt can save the day here....big spot for him, IMO. Not often do you get called in for long-relief in a tie game. If he can get us through these middle innings w/o making another change or giving up many runs, he can keep us in the game AND save the pen.

[Reds Fanatic]

Johnson singles to right. 6-5 Braves.

[Falls City Beer]

I know everyone's all over Affeldt's jock this season, but I'm not seein' it.... Poor control, longball tendencies.

[jesusfan]

great down 6-5

[reds44]

I know everyone's all over Affeldt's jock this season, but I'm not seein' it.... Poor control, longball tendencies.
He's been a victim of overuse.

[mth123]

Affeldt can save the day here....big spot for him, IMO. Not often do you get called in for long-relief in a tie game. If he can get us through these middle innings w/o making another change or giving up many runs, he can keep us in the game AND save the pen.

And stretch himself out a little for the next time this spot in the rotation comes up???

I like Affeldt in the pen and think it would be a mistake to convert him to the rotation.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bloop hit to left center for Jones. 1st and 2nd.

[Falls City Beer]

He's been a victim of overuse.

How so?

[Patrick Bateman]

I know everyone's all over Affeldt's jock this season, but I'm not seein' it.... Poor control, longball tendencies.

IMo, he's a better middle guy than the Reds usually enjoy, in that he can expect to be around league average, and a tough match-up... he's got a different type of repetoire than most lefties.

But his stuff is somewhat limited, and miscast as the set-up role he's been used in this year. Not a long term option, but a fine one year deal that provided an upgrade on our current roster. But mainly because of his control problems, it's hard to be particularly excited about him.

[jesusfan]

Affeldt K's Tex....

[Reds Fanatic]

Teixeira strikes out looking. 2 outs.

[reds44]

Big K right there.

[Reds Fanatic]

Big K. McCann strikes out swinging. 6-5 Braves mid 4th.

[jesusfan]

Affeldt has 30 K's and 9 BB's this season... He is a soild reliever... I don't even understand how this is a question....

[fearofpopvol1]

Affeldt isn't an elite reliever, but he's a good one. And he's a lefty.

His ERA is a little inflated from 1 or 2 bad outings.

[jesusfan]

Griffey grounds to 2nd... 1 down

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

[RedlegJake]

Affeldt has 30 K's and 10 BB's this season... He is a soild reliever... I don't even understand how this is a question....

Neither do I. He just did the job right here. If you bring in a reliever with a man on third and 1 out it's not often he's going to get out of that without the run scoring. 2 singles, neither particularly hard hit, 2 Ks to end the inning. Had Dusty started the inning with him its a different ballgame. It's not jumping on Dusty or making excuses for players when Baker makes dumb mistakes - it's just pointing out the obvious.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips flies out to center. 2 outs.

[Joseph]

Who starts today/tonight for AAA?

[OnBaseMachine]

Who starts today/tonight for AAA?

Ramon Ramirez.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn flies out to left. 6-5 Braves after 4.

[schroomytunes]

Yeah I think were seeing the last of Fogg in a uniform, he is simply not getting it done. He is a rally killer and we need more production out of a 5th starter, he's killing the pen.

[OnBaseMachine]

Jurrjens threw 64 pitches the first two innings. He's thrown 16 pitches the last two innings. Just not smart hitting.

[Falls City Beer]

The offense is letting Jurrjens off the hook; he'll make it through 6 or 7. That's the difference between the Reds and Braves; the Braves routinely find capable starters, while the Reds fill the back end of their rotations with overpromoted kids and the worst of the wash-ups.

[Reds Fanatic]

Francouer grounds out to 3rd. 1 out.

[Spring~Fields]

Bailey has had his ups and downs at AAA and maybe some attitude, maybe not.

I would rather see him get the call up over Maloney or Thompson because he has some MLB experience, and if we can live with Cueto struggling to learn, and the Fogg/Belisle experiment, I don’t see how Bailey would not fit into letting him finish out the year at this level to do a Cueto/Belisle effort to see what comes and if the additional experience would help Bailey vs. Fogg starting.

[Puffy]

Jurrjens threw 64 pitches the first two innings. He's thrown 16 pitches the last two innings. Just not smart hitting.

How is that? Jurrjens threw 7 pitches last inning and 6 were strikes. Both Dunn and Griffey watched strike 1. Were they supposed to watch strike 2 as well, cause the pitches Griff and Dunn swung at was strike two?

Sometimes pitchers have quick innings because they make excellent pitches.

[Reds Fanatic]

Norton walks.

[RedlegJake]

Gets ahead 0-2 then walks Norton on 4 pitches.

[reds44]

Bailey has had his ups and downs at AAA and maybe some attitude, maybe not.

I would rather see him get the call up over Maloney or Thompson because he has some MLB experience, and if we can live with Cueto struggling to learn, and the Fogg/Belisle experiment, I don’t see how Bailey would not fit into letting him finish out the year at this level to do a Cueto/Belisle effort to see what comes and if the additional experience would help Bailey vs. Fogg starting.
The difference between Bailey and Cueto is, I think Cueto would just dominate hitters in AAA. I don't think he has anything to learn down there.

Homer has a lot to work on.

[indy_dave00]

Jurrjens came to the Braves at a costly price Edgar Renteria.

[reds44]

Doug getting some love from Trent.



Speaking of Doug Gray, he's right on top of things. Saw it on his site and then tried to confirm with Rob Butcher -- he didn't know -- that Josh Roenicke has been promoted to Class AAA and Sean Watson took his spot as a reliever in Class AA. As someone pointed out, they're both on the rosters online of their respective new teams, so that's a good sign. Doug's on it as always. That's just another reason I make sure I subscribe to Doug's site on RSS -- now if I could just get RSS for this site... 1-2-3 for Jurrjens. Perhaps the sun is now in the tough spot to see, not earlier.

[jesusfan]

Jurrjens came to the Braves at a costly price Edgar Renteria.

Yeah, but Escobar is just as good, and younger...

[jesusfan]

Leo is the man btw...

[jesusfan]

Ball 4... I know that was a ball... but this ump sure has a tight zone.

[Reds Fanatic]

Blanco walks. Another batter walks after being behind in the count.

[Falls City Beer]

This is why Affeldt's not all that. Walking the 7-8 hitters.

[Spring~Fields]

The difference between Bailey and Cueto is, I think Cueto would just dominate hitters in AAA. I don't think he has anything to learn down there.

Homer has a lot to work on.

True both Cueto and Homer have a lot of work to do.

But, if they toss someone into the wolves den, Bailey might be better for that than risking bringing up Thompson or Maloney too early or before they are ready and risk messing them up.

[jesusfan]

This is why Affeldt's not all that. Walking the 7-8 hitters.

agree to disagree... It seems like I always disagree with you... lol :)

[Reds Fanatic]

Jurrjens sacrifices the runners to 2nd and 3rd.

[RedlegJake]

Jurrjens gets down the sac. 2 out.

[jesusfan]

Huge at-bat right here...

[jesusfan]

good block by Ross...

[jesusfan]

nice job by Affeldt... mid 4 6-5 Braves...

[mth123]

This is why Affeldt's not all that. Walking the 7-8 hitters.

Affeldt has a reputation as a multi-inning guy because of his starter trial this spring, but he's a 1 inning lefty IMO. In that role he's a fine guy for the pen. He's not a closer, not an inning eating horse, but a decent lefty bridge in the middle to late innings. Use him that way and he's fine. He loses his effectiveness after 20 pitches or so IMO.

[Reds Fanatic]

Escobar grounds out to the pitcher. 6-5 Braves mid 5th.

[Reds Fanatic]

Encarnacion singles to center.

[PuffyPig]

That's the difference between the Reds and Braves; the Braves routinely find capable starters, while the Reds fill the back end of their rotations with overpromoted kids and the worst of the wash-ups.

Jurgens wasn't that hard to find when you have a primo SS to trade.

[mth123]

True both Cueto and Homer have a lot of work to do.

But, if they toss someone into the wolves den, Bailey might be better for that than risking bringing up Thompson or Maloney too early or before they are ready and risk messing them up.

Maloney is older and more ready than Homer. Just because somebody let a high school kid take the bar exam, it doesn't make him more ready for it than a law school grad. Just don't expect him to be Perry Mason on day 1.

[Falls City Beer]

Jurgens wasn't that hard to find when you have a primo SS to trade.

Primo, maybe, but not cheap. Part of being a good GM is turning your expensive helpful bits (ehem Arroyo) into young helpful bits.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[fearofpopvol1]

Primo, maybe, but not cheap. Part of being a good GM is turning your expensive helpful bits (ehem Arroyo) into young helpful bits.

While I understand what you're saying, I don't think you could get that kind of talent for Arroyo.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross lines a double to left. 2nd and 3rd.