Bosox vs Reds 6-13-08

[Red in Chicago]

Someone feel free to post the lineups

[Reds Fanatic]

Red Sox
Jacoby Ellsbury cf
Dustin Pedroia 2b
J.D. Drew rf
Manny Ramirez lf
Mike Lowell 3b
Sean Casey 1b
Julio Lugo ss
Kevin Cash c
Justin Masterson rhp

Reds

Jay Bruce CF
Paul Janish SS
Ken Griffey Jr. RF
Brandon Phillips 2B
Adam Dunn LF
Edwin Encarnacion 3B
Joey Votto 1B
David Ross C
Adam Harang P

[Reds Fanatic]

They are going to get started on time but there is more rain on the way.

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[Red in Chicago]

i really hope aaron can get back on track tonight

[Reds Fanatic]

Ellsbury strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pedroia flies out to left. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Drew strikes out swinging. 0-0 mid 1st. Good start for Harang.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce homers in the first row in right. 1-0 Reds!

[Tommyjohn25]

And then there's BRUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCEEEEEEEE!!!!

[fearofpopvol1]

Bruce is Almighty

[Razor Shines]

Wow that was high. Was that Paul O'Neil?

[Reds Fanatic]

Janish strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[Tornon]

I thought leadoff hitters were supposed to ground out softly to second?

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior walks.

[vaticanplum]

I'm pretty sure Jay Bruce just became my favorite baseball player of all time.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[Tommyjohn25]

Casey cracks me up. I don't think his mouth has stopped moving since Grif walked. :lol:

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn strikes out swinging. 1-0 Reds after 1.

[fearofpopvol1]

Masteron get's all his outs on Ks in the 1st. I bet after tonight, he'll be averaging a K an inning for the season.

[TeamCasey]

TeamCasey is having warm, fuzzy Sean Casey moments.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ramirez flies out to the wall in right. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lowell grounds out to short. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice welcome back for Casey.

[TeamCasey]

That was great!

[HumnHilghtFreel]

I can't help but smile right now with Casey at the plate getting that standing O

[Tommyjohn25]

That really was great. That is why baseball is the best sport in America.

[Reds Fanatic]

Casey fouls out to 3rd. 1-0 Reds mid 2nd.

[GAC]

Was that tobaccy Casey was chewing? When did he become a chewer?

[vaticanplum]

TeamCasey is having warm, fuzzy Sean Casey moments.

It's ridiculous, isn't it? But kinda great (word of the thread).

[Reds Fanatic]

4 pitch walk for Edwin.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto grounds out to Casey. Edwin goes to 2nd. 1 out.

[Homer Bailey]

Just wanted to thank those that voted me into the ORG. Finally I can post in game threads!

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross strikes out looking. 2 outs.

[Tommyjohn25]

Just wanted to thank those that voted me into the ORG. Finally I can post in game threads!

Well deserved sir. Well deserved.

[Reds Fanatic]

Harang strikes out swinging. 5 Ks for Masterson. 1-0 Reds after 2.

[fearofpopvol1]

5 of the 6 outs of the Reds' have come from Ks. Sorry, but that is pathetic.

[Homer Bailey]

5 of the 6 outs of the Reds' have come from Ks. Sorry, but that is pathetic.

Hence the reason I added Masterson to my fantasy lineup for the evening. I figure I'll get a win out of either him or Harang.

[Spring~Fields]

5 of the 6 outs of the Reds' have come from Ks. Sorry, but that is pathetic.

That kid is a decent pitcher.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lugo flies out to left. 1 out.

[fearofpopvol1]

He is a good pitcher...I'm not taking that away from him. Just some really bad swings late in the count by the Reds.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cash strikes out swinging. 3 Ks. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Masterson grounds out to short. 1-0 Reds mid 3rd.

[Homer Bailey]

I'm worried about Harang dealing 5 shutout innings then getting shutout by the rain.

[TeamCasey]

Just wanted to thank those that voted me into the ORG. Finally I can post in game threads!

You get kicked out for brown-nosing!


;) Just kidding. Welcome!

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce grounds off Masterson. The ball bounces to Pedroia who throws him out. 1 out.

[Homer Bailey]

Another hard hit ball for Bruce and robbed of a hit.... he's batting .394, but how many times has this happened? He could be batting even higher, which is just insane.

[Homer Bailey]

Janish K's on a lowwww strike.

[Reds Fanatic]

Janish strikes out looking. 6 Ks for Masterson. 2 outs.

[Tommyjohn25]

Another hard hit ball for Bruce and robbed of a hit.... he's batting .394, but how many times has this happened? He could be batting even higher, which is just insane.

I know, that drives me nuts. It happens to Votto even more!

[Homer Bailey]

You get kicked out for brown-nosing!


;) Just kidding. Welcome!


C'mon.... how do you think I got in???

[Homer Bailey]

Griffey K.... 7 K's through 3 IP.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior strikes out swinging. 7 Ks. 1-0 Reds after 3.

[MikeS21]

Let Aaron get six more outs and then the game is in the books - rain or no rain.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ellsbury doubles down the right field line.

[Spring~Fields]

C'mon.... how do you think I got in???

Ahem, so how soon can we expect our slice of that stimulus check ? ;)

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice over the shoulder catch for Phillips. 1 out.

[Homer Bailey]

Harang robbed on a strike 3 call....

[Homer Bailey]

.... then gets him swinging.... Manny up

[Reds Fanatic]

Drew strikes out swinging. 4 Ks.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ramirez singles to right. Tie game 1-1.

[Homer Bailey]

Harang throws four straight fastballs on the outside corner and Manny hits an RBI single off the wall.

[CTA513]

Harang is a veteran pitcher and isn't getting some calls that a rookie is getting.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rain starting at the stadium.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lowell lines a single to left. 1st and 2nd.

[dougdirt]

Harang is a veteran pitcher and isn't getting some calls that a rookie is getting.

But its against the Red Sox....

[jesusfan]

Casey grounds to Votto... NIce play... mid 4... 1-1

[Reds Fanatic]

Casey grounds out to 1st. 1-1 mid 4th.

[Homer Bailey]

Nice play by Votto....

Why doesn't FSN show the batters that are due up in the middle of innings anymore?

[Homer Bailey]

Hamilton with another homer tonight...

[CTA513]

Harang just had a long inning and this would be a good time for the Reds hitters to try and make Masterson work.

[jesusfan]

Phillips grounds to Casey... 1 down

[WVRedsFan]

Harang just had a long inning and this would be a good time for the Reds hitters to try and make Masterson work.

Don't count on it. Especially with old first pitch Phillips coming to bat.

[Homer Bailey]

Tiger just bombed a birdie putt..... back to even for the championship.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn homers to right center. 2-1 Reds!

[jesusfan]

Dunn Kills one!!! 2-1 Reds

[jesusfan]

Edwin with a double to left!

[Reds Fanatic]

Edwin lines a double to the left field corner.

[jesusfan]

Votto rips one off the right field wall... 3-1 Reds!

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto lines a double off the right field wall. 3-1 Reds!

[Homer Bailey]

When was the last time the Reds had 3 consecutive hits?

[RedsManRick]

WTG Votto. That ball golfed in to the RF corner where he pauses slightly, as if surprised it stays fair, is his signature hit.

[Reds Fanatic]

Those are about the 3 hardest hit balls you will see back to back to back.

[Homer Bailey]

WTG Votto. That ball golfed in to the RF corner where he pauses slightly, as if surprised it stays fair, is his signature hit.

Haha reminded me of the one in Philadelphia down the left field line right?

[jesusfan]

Ross flies to right... Votto to 3rd....

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross flies out to the edge of the warning track in right. Votto to 3rd. 2 outs.

[lollipopcurve]

lotta early count mashing -- not necessarily a bad thing

[jesusfan]

We need this one and tomorrow's game... Beckett vs Bailey might get ugly!

[Reds Fanatic]

Harang strikes out swinging. 3-1 Reds after 4.

[Razor Shines]

He wanted Harang to get an FC instead of a GO.

[Reds Fanatic]

If they can get through this half an inning before it rains it is an official game.

[Homer Bailey]

Alright Aaron, just get us through this inning and let it pour!

[Reds Fanatic]

I said Harang struck out. I had that wrong he did hit the ball in front of the plate and Cash tagged Votto out.

[WVRedsFan]

I said Harang struck out. I had that wrong he did hit the ball in front of the plate and Cash tagged Votto out.


Looked to me like it hit off his foot.

[jesusfan]

Lugo grounds to Janish... funny hop and still made the play... 1 down

[Reds Fanatic]

Lugo grounds out to short. Good job by Janish on a bad hop. 1 out.

[jesusfan]

Beauty of a play for Edwin!!! 2 down

[Reds Fanatic]

Great play by Edwin. 2 outs.

[Homer Bailey]

Great play from Edwin as Tiger birdies AGAIN! -1 on the tournament and one back!

[jesusfan]

1-2-3 inning for Harang... 3-1 reds mid 5...

[Reds Fanatic]

5 Ks for Harang. 3-1 Reds mid 5th and it is now an official game.

[membengal]

Thanks for the pbp, all, last night in sarasota, and am following along with you all on this thread.

The US open coverage is fantastic, Mick, just followed Tiger's bird with one of his own, the gallary is in full roar. Pretty compelling in its own right...

Oh, and good to see you in these parts, HB. Welcome.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce grounds out to 2nd. 1out.

[Bob Borkowski]

I'm following the Red Sox game thread as well as this one.

More than once over there they have said that they "hate NL baseball". No DH, not enough action, I'm guessing. But of course, the Sox are losing too. :laugh:

[Homer Bailey]

GABP should have the ability to produce rain when needed. That would be a cool stadium feature.

[Reds Fanatic]

Janish strikes out for the 3rd time tonight.

[RedsManRick]

Yikes. Janish really belongs nowhere higher than 8th in the order. Batting him 2nd while Dunn, EE, and Votto bat 5, 6, 7, is borderline criminal.

[Reds Fanatic]

I wonder when Keppinger will be back. They could really use his bat back in the lineup.

[Homer Bailey]

Yikes. Janish really belongs nowhere higher than 8th in the order. Batting him 2nd while Dunn, EE, and Votto bat 5, 6, 7, is borderline criminal.


That would mean that the Reds' better hitters would be at the top of the lineup, clearly something that Dusty is not interested in.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior lines out to 2nd. 3-1 Reds after 5.

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice play by Votto on a hard hit ball by Ellsbury.

[blumj]

I'm following the Red Sox game thread as well as this one.

More than once over there they have said that they "hate NL baseball". No DH, not enough action, I'm guessing. But of course, the Sox are losing too. :laugh:
Usually, they call whatever combination of Crisp. Lugo, Cora, and Cash are playing, "the pitchers". Adding a real pitcher just makes them extra grumpy.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pedroia grounds out to 3rd. 2 outs.

[Homer Bailey]

Tiger on in 2 on the par 5 6th (His 15th) with a chance to take the lead. Picture in picture is great.

[Falls City Beer]

Yikes. Janish really belongs nowhere higher than 8th in the order. Batting him 2nd while Dunn, EE, and Votto bat 5, 6, 7, is borderline criminal.

Dustin Pedroia has a robust .678 OPS and .312 OB in Boston's #2 slot. It's not optimal, but the Reds aren't alone.

[Reds Fanatic]

Drew lines out to left. 3-1 Reds mid 6th.

[Falls City Beer]

Harang appears to be untracked. That relief stint likely had nothing to do with his struggles.

[Reds Fanatic]

96 pitches (63 strikes, 33 balls) for Harang.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips flies out to the track in left center. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn walks.

[Homer Bailey]

Tiger on in 2 on the par 5 6th (His 15th) with a chance to take the lead. Picture in picture is great.

Sorry I didn't realize that this hole was now a par 4. It was a par 5 when I played it.

He missed it and made par. His first 4 on the back nine.

[Reds Fanatic]

Edwin flies out to right. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto grounds out to 2nd. 3-1 Reds after 6.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ramirez strikes out swinging on a 94 MPH fastball. 1 out. 6 Ks.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lowell flies out to left. 2 outs.

[Heath]

How many pitches for Harang?

[Reds Fanatic]

How many pitches for Harang?109

[vaticanplum]

This game is just zippy mcflippy, isn't it?

[Reds Fanatic]

Bloop hit to left for Casey.

[Reds Fanatic]

That was hit 1500 for Casey

[Reds Fanatic]

Where was that 0-2 pitch

[Heath]

Well, its been a good bullpen rest day.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lugo strikes out swinging. 7 Ks. Great start by Harang. 3-1 Reds mid 7th.

[Heath]

This game is just zippy mcflippy, isn't it?

Why aren't YOU at the game? I figure you'd been all over that.

[Reds Fanatic]

118 pitches for Harang.

[WVRedsFan]

Hello bullpen. Why am I nervous?

[CTA513]

Where was that 0-2 pitch

On the corner and at the knees, but Harang didn't get the call.

[Falls City Beer]

It appears the Aaron we all know and love is back.

[Reds Fanatic]

Crisp in to play center. Ellsbury to left and Manny Ramirez is out of the game.

[Heath]

So, far, for once, Harang's had a pitcher's duel with him in the lead.

[WVRedsFan]

Why is Ross so clueless at the plate?

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross strikes out swinging. A. Phillips in to pinch hit.

[GAC]

Why is Ross so clueless at the plate?

He had a solid night last night.

[Bob Borkowski]

Crisp in to play center. Ellsbury to left and Manny Ramirez is out of the game.


And the guys on the Sox game thread say Manny likely won't play tomorrow.


???

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips gets jammed and grounds out to the pitcher. 2 outs.

[Heath]

And the guys on the Sox game thread say Manny likely won't play tomorrow.


???


But, it's on National Television?????

[WVRedsFan]

Ross strikes out swinging. A. Phillips in to pinch hit.Putting Andy up there is the equivalent of waving the white flag. If you're going to hit for the pitcher, put up a hitter.

[Reds Fanatic]

And the guys on the Sox game thread say Manny likely won't play tomorrow.


???They just said his hamstring has been bothering him. They had already announced he was not going to play tomorrow. That is a few players out. We all know Ortiz is out and Jason Varitek has strep throat.

[WVRedsFan]

He had a solid night last night.Baffling, isn't it?

[blumj]

And the guys on the Sox game thread say Manny likely won't play tomorrow.


???
Sore hamstring he's been nursing for a few weeks already.

[Reds Fanatic]

Javier Lopez in to pitch.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce pops out to 3rd. 3-1 Reds after 7.

Burton in to pitch.

[Heath]

between the two sidwinders, and the knuckleballer tomorrow, the Reds are going to have to adjust to the pitcher that actually comes from over the top.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cash grounds out to short. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Brandon Moss pinch hitting

[Reds Fanatic]

Moss grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Great pitch. Ellsbury strikes out looking on a 94 MPH fastball on the corner. 3-1 Reds mid 8th.

[RedlegJake]

Ellsbury fans. Nice job by Burton

[WVRedsFan]

Good inning by Burton.

[VR]

Is this the first time Ross has caught Harang this year?

[Reds Fanatic]

David Aardsma in to pitch

[Reds Fanatic]

Janish strikes out for the 4th time tonight. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior flies out to left. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips strikes out swinging. 3-1 Reds after 8.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cordero in to pitch.

Pedroia, Drew and Crisp due up.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pedroia lines a single to right.

[RedlegJake]

Coco is making me squirm now.

[Reds Fanatic]

Drew strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[Falls City Beer]

I got a terrible feeling about this.

[RedlegJake]

Struck out Drew.

[RedlegJake]

Coco vs. Coco.

[vaticanplum]

between the two sidwinders, and the knuckleballer tomorrow, the Reds are going to have to adjust to the pitcher that actually comes from over the top.

A hard adjustment, to be sure.

(gimme a break, I'm trying to lighten the tense mood here.)

[Reds Fanatic]

Crisp flies out to left. 2 outs.

[RedlegJake]

Their Coco flies out to Dunn. 2 down.

[Falls City Beer]

Lowell's the one I'm scared of.

[vaticanplum]

Ahhhhhhhhh Reds win!!!!

[Reds Fanatic]

Lowell grounds out to Cordero. Reds win 3-1!! :beerme:

[Falls City Beer]

Phew.

[RedlegJake]

He got it done. Nice to have him back.

[RedlegJake]

4 hits for Reds. These are the kind of games they lose on the road but have a chance to win at home. Love them longballs at GAB.

[lollipopcurve]

the old Harang
solid setup man
solid closer

that's the way you win with 3 runs on 4 hits

[Topcat]

Beautiful Job by Burton and Cordero to back up Harangs great performance.

[vaticanplum]

Why aren't YOU at the game? I figure you'd been all over that.

I can't bring myself to attend a game out of sheer spite. My soul isn't that dead quite yet.

I'm seeing the Reds at Yankee Stadium in a week. I'd rather be torn with joy than turned blindly against what at its heart is just another baseball team. Albeit a team made of evil.

[Spring~Fields]

This Reds baseball team looked like a very good team tonight. :thumbup:

Nice Work Reds.

[Spring~Fields]

Scoring Summary
Bot 1st: Cincinnati
- J. Bruce homered to deep right

Top 4th: Boston
- M. Ramirez singled to deep right, J. Ellsbury scored

Bot 4th: Cincinnati
- A. Dunn homered to deep right center

- J. Votto doubled to deep right, E. Encarnacion scored

Batting
2B - J Ellsbury (6, A Harang).

RBI - M Ramirez (49).

2-out RBI - M Ramirez.

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - S Casey 1.

Team LOB - 4.

Batting
2B - E Encarnacion (14, J Masterson); J Votto (13, J Masterson).

HR - J Bruce (4, 1st inning off J Masterson 0 on, 0 Out), A Dunn (17, 4th inning off J Masterson 0 on, 1 Out).

RBI - J Bruce (12), A Dunn (42), J Votto (36).

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - A Harang 2.

Team LOB - 4.


A. Harang (W, 3-9) 7.0 4 1 1 0 7 0 4.10
J. Burton (H, 6) 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 2.55
F. Cordero (S, 13) 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 2.64

Pitches-strikes - J Masterson 98-60; J Lopez 6-3; D Aardsma 12-9; A Harang 118-78; J Burton 11-8; F Cordero 14-10.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Masterson 7-4; J Lopez 0-1; D Aardsma 0-1; A Harang 7-7; J Burton 2-0; F Cordero 1-1.

Batters faced - J Masterson 27; J Lopez 1; D Aardsma 3; A Harang 25; J Burton 3; F Cordero 4.

Attendance: 38,855.

[vaticanplum]

Who's Volquez facing tomorrow? Is it Wakefield?

[Reds Fanatic]

Who's Volquez facing tomorrow? Is it Wakefield?
Yes Wakefield

[vaticanplum]

Ok, this post goes completely against my self-pact to post more about real live baseball, but where did Aaron Harang COME from? Cable TV has only brought to my attention in greater detail the anamoly that is Aaron Harang. I'm sitting here watching our beloved 6'6" Count Chocula in his sky blue sriped polo shirt speaking with all the gusto of a baby lamb about how he was being too passive and needed to be more aggressive in order to destroy the Red Sox.

Seriously, who is this guy?

[Screwball]

And the guys on the Sox game thread say Manny likely won't play tomorrow.


???

Are you talking about the SOSH game threads? Cuz I can't find tonight's GT anywhere on their site.

[Danny Serafini]

Are you talking about the SOSH game threads? Cuz I can't find tonight's GT anywhere on their site.

Heard during the TV broadcast that Manny would likely sit tomorrow.

[PuffyPig]

I got a terrible feeling about this.


Why, Acosta's not pitching?

;)

Harang, Burton and Cordero when pitching well will beat any offense in the majors. And that includes Boston.

#1 starter, primo set-up man, primo closer.

[Screwball]

Heard during the TV broadcast that Manny would likely sit tomorrow.

Yeah I heard that too. I meant more as in being able to read their game threads. I'd love to see what informed opposing fans' impressions are of our Reds.

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 255
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Eric Davis - 203
8. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 202
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

[blumj]

Are you talking about the SOSH game threads? Cuz I can't find tonight's GT anywhere on their site.

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=32638&st=420
The Celtics lost to the Lakers the same day the Red Sox last lost a game before tonight. So, the person who started the next Red Sox game thread, titled it, "I hate Kobe", and they kept it running until the Red Sox lost again.

[klw]

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=32638&st=420
The Celtics lost to the Lakers the same day the Red Sox last lost a game before tonight. So, the person who started the next Red Sox game thread, titled it, "I hate Kobe", and they kept it running until the Red Sox lost again.

Portion for tonight's game starts around page 22. The Red sox announcers on NESN were saying throughout the game that Manny will not play on Saturday and that was even before he was pulled.

[WVRedsFan]

Ok, this post goes completely against my self-pact to post more about real live baseball, but where did Aaron Harang COME from? Cable TV has only brought to my attention in greater detail the anamoly that is Aaron Harang. I'm sitting here watching our beloved 6'6" Count Chocula in his sky blue sriped polo shirt speaking with all the gusto of a baby lamb about how he was being too passive and needed to be more aggressive in order to destroy the Red Sox.

Seriously, who is this guy?

Oakland Athletics in a trade for ??? He was an afterthought who became a pretty good pitcher. Raised on the west coast (San Diego, i believe) and considered a kid who just wasn't going to do much by his former organization.

He's a jewell in a sea of mediocrity.

[WVRedsFan]

Portion for tonight's game starts around page 22. The Red sox announcers on NESN were saying throughout the game that Manny will not play on Saturday and that was even before he was pulled.

What a horrible game thread. If this is what Boss and company envisions for RedsZone, God help us. Bad language and insult after insult. First time I've been there and I'm not impressed.

[Bob Borkowski]

What a horrible game thread. If this is what Boss and company envisions for RedsZone, God help us. Bad language and insult after insult. First time I've been there and I'm not impressed.

Yep, same feeling here. I thought I would be inundated with great posts to support well-thought-out opinions. Boy, was I wrong!

[Danny Serafini]

Oakland Athletics in a trade for ??? He was an afterthought who became a pretty good pitcher. Raised on the west coast (San Diego, i believe) and considered a kid who just wasn't going to do much by his former organization.

He's a jewell in a sea of mediocrity.

He was part of the Jose Guillen deal. Joe Valentine was considered the centerpiece, but Harang was the most Major League ready. Of course Valentine flamed out, a 98 mph fastball only has value if you can control it, which he couldn't, but Harang for two months of Jose Guillen is highway robbery. There was another minor leaguer involved, but it wasn't anyone who became anything.

Edit: I found the third player, it was Jeff Bruksch, a pitcher who appears to be out of baseball now.

[Danny Serafini]

What a horrible game thread. If this is what Boss and company envisions for RedsZone, God help us. Bad language and insult after insult. First time I've been there and I'm not impressed.

I checked it out, but I didn't last long. Apparently they don't have the language filter that RedsZone has. Yikes.

[Degenerate39]

4-0 when I work the late shift. So far so good.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

What a horrible game thread. If this is what Boss and company envisions for RedsZone, God help us. Bad language and insult after insult. First time I've been there and I'm not impressed.

Good call.

I guess it's apparent that many of our own posters suffer from myopia thinking we are the worst fans due to a few negative posts on this board.

Over there they are childish. Spoiled. Jaded. They curse. They whine. They curse.

Other than that, pretty solid site. Not really.

[Degenerate39]

Dunn has homered in 4 straight interleague games. That's the longest streak right now and if he homers tomorrow he'll tie the all time record.

[WVRedsFan]

Good call.

I guess it's apparent that many of our own posters suffer from myopia thinking we are the worst fans due to a few negative posts on this board.

Over there they are childish. Spoiled. Jaded. They curse. They whine. They curse.

Other than that, pretty solid site. Not really.

this is a pretty good board. i sometimes think many on here get disgusted with the negativity and think it's bad. What do they expect? WE haven't had a winning record since 2000, so how can everyone be positive? It's just so strange to believe that a fan base can think positive all the time with what has been going on with this club for 8 straight years. Better people can, but I'm not in that group. Call me sinful if you want.

OTOH, the Red Sox fans have just won a World Series and the negativity is worse there than here. And we want to design this site like theirs and be like them? God have mercy.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

this is a pretty good board. i sometimes think many on here get disgusted with the negativity and think it's bad. What do they expect? WE haven't had a winning record since 2000, so how can everyone be positive? It's just so strange to believe that a fan base can think positive all the time with what has been going on with this club for 8 straight years. Better people can, but I'm not in that group. Call me sinful if you want.

I'm in your group as well.

[westofyou]

Harang didn't change anything but his approach. He credited Dusty Baker and pitching coach Dick Pole for that.

http://beta.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3af38f3baa-f1f6-4267-a2f2-3095cfb2014f&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

And here I thought those two were useless.

[Screwball]

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=32638&st=420
The Celtics lost to the Lakers the same day the Red Sox last lost a game before tonight. So, the person who started the next Red Sox game thread, titled it, "I hate Kobe", and they kept it running until the Red Sox lost again.

Thanks, blum. I would've never been able to wade through the first couple dozen pages. But of course you're from Boston (I think) so you're probably a no good Celtics fan too (I'm actually rooting for the Celts too)... ;)

[Screwball]

What a horrible game thread. If this is what Boss and company envisions for RedsZone, God help us. Bad language and insult after insult. First time I've been there and I'm not impressed.

While I agree it isn't the best GT (still pretty good IMO), I completely disagree with your (and BuckeyeRedleg's) take on their site. Read some of their "Red Sox Discussion" threads and you'll see why they're considered the premier website for baseball discussion, and has actually prompted some well-known baseball people to post there.

I think Redszone is up there with them, but we aren't quite there yet. We do have several exceptional posters however.

ETA: I guess SOSH can be a bit much for those so easily offended by cuss words. But at the same time, it's adult language and we're all adults. I don't see the problem with it really.

[Spring~Fields]

http://beta.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3af38f3baa-f1f6-4267-a2f2-3095cfb2014f&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

And here I thought those two were useless.

I hadn’t noticed that Harang this season was that much different from his career numbers.
Harang Season - P/GS 104.5 WHIP 1.28 BAA 2.76 ERA 4.10
Harang Career - P/GS 101.6 WHIP 1.30 BAA 2.67 ERA 4.14

Well I guess then Harang is good to go the rest of the way then.
Great!

Now they can fix the rest of them.
NAME ERA
Josh Fogg 9.85
Danny Herrera 9.00
Matt Belisle 7.28
Todd Coffey 6.46
Homer Bailey 6.30
Johnny Cueto 5.42
B. Arroyo 5.31
Mike Lincoln 4.70
D. Weathers 4.24
J. Affeldt 4.11
Aaron Harang 4.10
Kent Mercker 3.29

[Spring~Fields]

I think Redszone is up there with them, but we aren't quite there yet. We do have several exceptional posters however.



I believe that you would see a lot more of the exceptional posters and post if the Reds had a quality product to write about like Boston does and has for some time now. Even the sports talk shows and the beat writers and their columns that follow the Reds are lacking from what once was good and they are professionals.

[Screwball]

I believe that you would see a lot more of the exceptional posters and post if the Reds had a quality product to write about like Boston does and has for some time now. Even the sports talk shows and the beat writers and their columns that follow the Reds are lacking from what once was good and they are professionals.

I think that's a great point. Back when the Reds were losing all the time in April this site, IMO, was borderline unreadable. However I've noticed a positive trend over the past month and a half or so when they've been playing better than .500 ball. This might sound absurd, but I really think the posting quality on this site is directly correlated with how well the team does.

[Spring~Fields]

I think that's a great point. Back when the Reds were losing all the time in April this site, IMO, was borderline unreadable. However I've noticed a positive trend over the past month and a half or so when they've been playing better than .500 ball. This might sound absurd, but I really think the posting quality on this site is directly correlated with how well the team does.


It’s not easy to come up with something fresh, new and stimulating to the readers or to inspire exchange when the subject matter is basically the same as it has been for the past six-seven-eight years running, and has already been habitually covered and re-addressed in part or whole. Of course when new material such as a Jay Bruce and his impressive start, or encouraging moves in the minors come from players developing and doing well, the team inspires the group with a six game wining streak, even Jocketty moving what is perceived as a thorn or deadwood in the teams side, and other material that comes from events, issues or changes in the positive direction, brings something fresh to write and to discuss.

Teams can have apathy, I think that people who are exceptional writers and communicators as those that you have spoken to can also have an apathy toward spending their time and efforts communicating about a problem franchise that they have already covered over 5-7 year period.

Now granted it is no revelation to know that many people are outstanding communicators and writers, compared to say, myself and others, and those outstanding communicators, make a world of difference, in a venue that is reading intensive for interest and enjoyment.

But to continuously write positives about a negative team with a history of losing, which indicates in most circles that it is a poor or bad product, to write positives habitually regarding them would be a bit pretentious and sorely lacking in credibility somewhere and would insult the reading publics intelligence, wouldn’t it?

Even I though grow tired of participating in and reading chronic bashing of a Baker, Patterson, Dunn, Griffey, Edwin Encacarncions throwing errors and batting slumps, the pitching, the owner, the pitching coach, the defensive errors, a long list of chronic negatives that happen with a bad sports team.

So no, I don’t blame the people, I blame the subject matter and the poor product.

[Screwball]

It’s not easy to come up with something fresh, new and stimulating to the readers or to inspire exchange when the subject matter is basically the same as it has been for the past six-seven-eight years running, and has already been habitually covered and re-addressed in part or whole. Of course when new material such as a Jay Bruce and his impressive start, or encouraging moves in the minors come from players developing and doing well, the team inspires the group with a six game wining streak, even Jocketty moving what is perceived as a thorn or deadwood in the teams side, and other material that comes from events, issues or changes in the positive direction, brings something fresh to write and to discuss.

Teams can have apathy, I think that people who are exceptional writers and communicators as those that you have spoken to can also have an apathy toward spending their time and efforts communicating about a problem franchise that they have already covered over 5-7 year period.

Now granted it is no revelation to know that many people are outstanding communicators and writers, compared to say, myself and others, and those outstanding communicators, make a world of difference, in a venue that is reading intensive for interest and enjoyment.

But to continuously write positives about a negative team with a history of losing, which indicates in most circles that it is a poor or bad product, to write positives habitually regarding them would be a bit pretentious and sorely lacking in credibility somewhere and would insult the reading publics intelligence, wouldn’t it?

Even I though grow tired of participating in and reading chronic bashing of a Baker, Patterson, Dunn, Griffey, Edwin Encacarncions throwing errors and batting slumps, the pitching, the owner, the pitching coach, the defensive errors, a long list of chronic negatives that happen with a bad sports team.

So no, I don’t blame the people, I blame the subject matter and the poor product.

Poster formerly known as SpringfieldFan ;):

I understand your point. I think it's a decent one, but I vehemently disagree. Forgive me for being frank here, but you are making way too many excuses for people "venting" (which the site admins. explicitly don't want). How the team does should NOT change the quality here. I remember reading mountains of posts back in April about how this team was "Bob Boone bad" and would be "lucky to win 70 games", etc. It got old real quick, and not just because it was patently wrong.

There's a (several) very good reason(s) why the site administrators had to shut down the game threads for a month, and it wasn't simply due to personal attacks - although those had become a problem. My own speculation was that the venom spewed because of the losing pretty much made the site suffer, and the GTs was said venom's grandest scale. If we want to be this higher level of discourse where we actually vote whether or not to let people join us, then we damn well better be able to back it up in the backbone of any website - the game threads.

Should we criticize? Of course. Nobody's saying they shouldn't. But to bring the level of discussion down because the team is losing (BTW, I don't care how long it's been) is unacceptable. Maybe this is a bit who the hell cares, but I want us to be the board anybody looks for when wanting to read/talk about baseball.

Anyway, sorry for the long rant. It wasn't meant to be directed towards you SF, as I think you're a fine, fine poster. I more just wanted to get this off my chest, and hey, since this is a game thread...

BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCE! :)

[Spring~Fields]

Poster formerly known as SpringfieldFan ;):

I understand your point. I think it's a decent one, but I vehemently disagree. Forgive me for being frank here, but you are making way too many excuses for people "venting" (which the site admins. explicitly don't want). How the team does should NOT change the quality here. I remember reading mountains of posts back in April about how this team was "Bob Boone bad" and would be "lucky to win 70 games", etc. It got old real quick, and not just because it was patently wrong.

There's a (several) very good reason(s) why the site administrators had to shut down the game threads for a month, and it wasn't simply due to personal attacks - although those had become a problem. My own speculation was that the venom spewed because of the losing pretty much made the site suffer, and the GTs was said venom's grandest scale. If we want to be this higher level of discourse where we actually vote whether or not to let people join us, then we damn well better be able to back it up in the backbone of any website - the game threads.

Should we criticize? Of course. Nobody's saying they shouldn't. But to bring the level of discussion down because the team is losing (BTW, I don't care how long it's been) is unacceptable. Maybe this is a bit who the hell cares, but I want us to be the board anybody looks for when wanting to read/talk about baseball.

Anyway, sorry for the long rant. It wasn't meant to be directed towards you SF, as I think you're a fine, fine poster. I more just wanted to get this off my chest, and hey, since this is a game thread...

BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCE! :)


My own speculation was that the venom spewed because of the losing pretty much made the site suffer

No problem. Different stimuli effects different people differently though and each reacts differently. Stimulus, stimulus reponse. I have been watching the front board for several days now, and I think that I see a posting apathy at work. There is a reason when they bring out the past, and history of the game, I think that they have exhausted the present.

Dusty aint done with you yet........:) Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce, thank god you came along. :clap:

[BuckeyeRedleg]

I understand your point. I think it's a decent one, but I vehemently disagree. Forgive me for being frank here, but you are making way too many excuses for people "venting" (which the site admins. explicitly don't want).

But "venting" is what SOSH do in their gamethreads (in a profane manner, no less) and you think that site is the one Redszone should strive to be.

I don't understand.

[Screwball]

But "venting" is what SOSH do in their gamethreads (in a profane manner, no less) and you think that site is the one Redszone should strive to be.

I don't understand.

C'mon BR. Sure, their GTs are laced with profanities (the horror!), but as I said earlier, we're all adults, so what's the big deal?

And yes, their GT wasn't chock-full of analysis and exceptional insight, but I found it to be a very informative look from an outsiders' perspective. Are you really telling me you read that and took nothing away from it besides "venting"?

BuckeyeRedleg, I certainly respect your opinion, but I do think we can make this site better. SOSH better. And that'd be a good thing, profanities or not.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

The only real venting I see on this board is during gamethreads as well, except without profanity, of course.

There are a few posters on this site that I'd stack against SOSH any day.

What does this board have to do to be more like SOSH?

I say win two World Championships in four years would be a good start. Then we could feel all good about ourselves.