BoSox @ Reds 6-15-08

[Tommyjohn25]

Let's try this again. I don't know why this happens every so often.

Reds vs Red Sox 6/15/08

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Jay Bruce CF

Jolbert Cabrera SS

Ken Griffey Jr. RF

Brandon Phillips 2B

Adam Dunn LF

Edwin Encarnacion 3B

Joey Votto 3

David Ross C

Homer Bailey P (0-2, 6.30)



RED SOX

Jacoby Ellsbury LF

Dustin Pedroia 2B

J.D. Drew RF

Mike Lowell 3B

Kevin Youkilis 1B

Jason Varitek C

Coco Crisp CF

Julio Lugo SS

Josh Beckett P (6-4, 4.22)

[Matt700wlw]

Bailey very stealable so far.

[OnBaseMachine]

Homer allowed an 0-2 single to Ellsbury and then two stolen bases. Pedroia sac fly makes it 1-0.

[Tommyjohn25]

Bailey very stealable so far.

Yeah...just little bit. He looks very anti-offspeed(y) too.

[Caseyfan21]

Great AB by Pedroia. A lot of these Sox hitters make me jealous. They are so patient and work the pitcher until they get a pitch they want.

[Highlifeman21]

Looks like Bailey is laboring to hit 92 on the gun, IMO.

And that 92 is arrow straight.

[Matt700wlw]

Is stealable even a word? :lol:

Now he walks Drew. He better be thankful that Manny isn't in today's lineup

[Degenerate39]

Is Ellsbury that fast or is Ross that bad?

[Highlifeman21]

Walks Drew, looked almost semi-intentional.

[Buckeye33]

Well, Bailey sure isn't getting the low strike.

As well, he simply does not have an out pitch. That makes it really hard to be successful at the major league level.

[Highlifeman21]

Is Ellsbury that fast or is Ross that bad?

33 SB on the year so far, it's not all just Ross.

[Matt700wlw]

What happened to this kid's velocity? It's hard to be a power pitcher, when your power isn't there.

[Highlifeman21]

Bailey's changeup is way too high in the zone early on.

[Tommyjohn25]

Oh where, oh where, did our prized pitching prospect go? This is not the guy we drafted. I refuse to believe it.

[Buckeye33]

Is Ellsbury that fast or is Ross that bad?

Ellsbury is very fast, but Bailey is so slow to the plate that those 2 bases were a given the instant Ellsbury reached first.

[Highlifeman21]

Poor AB by Lowell.

Good to see Bailey get out of the 1st without too much damage.

And I thought Nancy Drew had wheels. I'm surprised he didn't try to swipe one off Bailey.

[OnBaseMachine]

What happened to this kid's velocity? It's hard to be a power pitcher, when your power isn't there.

Dick Pole has changed his mechanics.

I remember last year there were rumors of LaRussa and Dave Duncan coming to Cincy. I don't like LaRussa but that would have been nice only because of Duncan. I think a guy like Duncan could really straighten out Homer Bailey.

[Highlifeman21]

Ellsbury is very fast, but Bailey is so slow to the plate that those 2 bases were a given the instant Ellsbury reached first.

Stealing 2B was b/c Homer's slow to the plate, and Ellsbury is fast.

Stealing 3B was b/c Homer's slow to the plate, Ellsbury's fast, and Ross has a rag arm.

[Highlifeman21]

Is it just me, or in the past week has Bruce fallen in love with swinging at the 1st pitch he sees during a PA?

[Matt700wlw]

Beckett made Bruce look like a rookie there.

[Degenerate39]

That had nasty break on it

[Buckeye33]

Welcome to the big leagues Mr. Bruce. That is the 1st AB I can remember in his young career that he had zero chance.

[Highlifeman21]

And Cabrera swings at the 1st thing he sees as well.

[Tommyjohn25]

Beckett made Bruce look like a rookie there.

It's the best pitcher Bruce has faced in his entire life, I'm sure. It's probably not even close.

[Highlifeman21]

Nice base knock up the middle by Cabrera.

[OnBaseMachine]

It's time to get Bruce out of the leadoff spot. His approach at the plate has changed since moving to leadoff. I like him better in the two hole.

[Degenerate39]

I already like Jolbert batting 2nd more than Janish

[Matt700wlw]

It's the best pitcher Bruce has faced in his entire life, I'm sure. It's probably not even close.

It'll be interesting to see if he can make some adjustments against him

[RedsManRick]

The SS batting 2nd yet again. I think I'm moving through the stages of grief backwards. I started at anger, then went to denial. Now I'm back at anger again, with a healthy dose of embarrassment.

That said... good to see Cabrera lace one up the middle for a base hit.

[Matt700wlw]

Griffey needs to be out of the 3 hole.

Best hitter he ain't.

[Highlifeman21]

Beckett's 93 mph heater looks plenty different than Bailey's 92 mph variety.

[Matt700wlw]

It moves.

[Buckeye33]

Jr. simply can not hit any above average fastball.

[Highlifeman21]

The Red Sox announcers on NESN just said that the Reds crowd is quiet like a tennis match.

[Buckeye33]

Way to run it out Jr! Uggg

[Highlifeman21]

Lugo, you had PLENTY of time for that. It's KGJ comin' down the line for pete's sake.

[Degenerate39]

Reds got very lucky there as Griffey walked to first base.

[Highlifeman21]

Come on Phillips, big PA here.

[Matt700wlw]

Griffey to the Rays rumors may have some substance...ESPN saying that he'd consider waiving his NTC to go there...


I'll keep my eyes and ears open

[blumj]

Lugo, you had PLENTY of time for that. It's KGJ comin' down the line for pete's sake.
No matter how many SSs the Reds have to go through, they could never get desperate enough to want that one.

[OnBaseMachine]

Griffey to the Rays rumors may have some substance...

You hearing something?

[Highlifeman21]

Griffey to the Rays rumors may have some substance...ESPN saying that he'd consider waiving his NTC to go there...


I'll keep my eyes and ears open

NESN announcers just talked about Griffey's no trade clause, and that at this point of his career he needs to be a DH in the AL and get a chance for a ring.

Said the Red Sox have no need for him.

[Highlifeman21]

Very nice PA by Phillips.

Way to work the walk!

[RedsManRick]

You hearing something?

Will Carroll touched on it on the BP blog today. I wonder if this isn't the press working itself in to a frenzy, effectively citing itself as the source.

[Highlifeman21]

Dunn vs. Beckett.

Power vs. Power.

I love it.

[BCubb2003]

I wonder if this isn't the press working itself in to a frenzy, effectively citing itself as the source.

That's a good thing to keep in mind.

[Highlifeman21]

Whatever breaking ball Beckett just threw to Dunn, that was filthy.

[Degenerate39]

Whatever breaking ball Beckett just threw to Dunn, that was filthy.

On TBS they said it was a slider but it was filthy.

[OnBaseMachine]

Beckett takes forever in between pitches.

[RedsManRick]

I hope the other Reds hitters are watching this AB from Dunn. He may yet strike out, but he's making Beckett earn it.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn takes a 3-2 fastball right on the corner.

24 pitches for Beckett.

[Highlifeman21]

Ump calls strike 3 ball 3, and then calls ball 4 strike 3.... Looked outside to me, but the pitch before that definitely seemed like a strike. Make up call perhaps?

Haven't figured out this ump yet.

[RedsManRick]

Gameday had strike 3 as clearly outside.

[Degenerate39]

I hope the other Reds hitters are watching this AB from Dunn. He may yet strike out, but he's making Beckett earn it.

Yeah him and Phillips had good at bats. And against a guy like Beckett you want him out of the game ASAP.

[WVRedsFan]

Taking the third strike is becoming all too familiar when Dunn bats. I wonder if statistics are kept on this. it seems like twice a game he takes the third strike. Wow.

[Highlifeman21]

I hope the other Reds hitters are watching this AB from Dunn. He may yet strike out, but he's making Beckett earn it.

Phillips and Dunn both had good PAs.

Bruce, Cabrera and Griffey, not so much.

[Tony Cloninger]

It was a good AB...up until he took a strike....yes it was outside, but he looked like he was ready to walk instead of trying to hit.

I doubt you will see the other hitters learn anything from Dunn's patient approach.

Phillips actually looked more patient than he has in a while.

[Degenerate39]

Taking the third strike is becoming all too familiar when Dunn bats. I wonder if statistics are kept on this. it seems like twice a game he takes the third strike. Wow.

Too be fair that was a bad call but I see where you're going. This maybe one of the disadvantages of having such a good eye.

[Highlifeman21]

Taking the third strike is becoming all too familiar when Dunn bats. I wonder if statistics are kept on this. it seems like twice a game he takes the third strike. Wow.

They do keep stats on swinging strikes vs. looking strikes, but for the life of me I can't remember where I found them.

I'm sure Steel or Cyclone or M2 or WOY, or a laundry list of others could tell you.

[Matt700wlw]

Dusty talked to Hal McCoy and basically said Roenicke and Thompson are close. VERY close....and could be here soon, and here to stay.


I have a feeling there are going to be some interesting moves this season.

[OnBaseMachine]

Ump isn't calling the inside strike. Homer had Varitek struckout on the inside pitch but it wasn't called.

[Degenerate39]

Dusty talked to Hal and basically said Roenicke and Thompson are close. VERY close....and could be here soon, and here to stay.


I have a feeling there are going to be some interesting moves this season.

Thompson to replace Bailey and Roenicke to replace Weathers maybe?

[Matt700wlw]

Mr. ump is in a squeezy mood today

[WVRedsFan]

Dusty talked to Hal McCoy and basically said Roenicke and Thompson are close. VERY close....and could be here soon, and here to stay.


I have a feeling there are going to be some interesting moves this season.As much as I love Griffey and what he was and what he is, he seems to be lobbying for a trade with his performance.

[OnBaseMachine]

Good grief. Where was that 3-2 pitch to Varitek?!? That was a better pitch than the pitch to Dunn.

Oh yeah, Homer Bailey isn't Josh Beckett.

[Tony Cloninger]

It might have been a ball...but with a pitcher like Beckett and the fact that we still have umpires who do not know one strike from another ball...but they do know who is pitching....that was going to get called a strike.

If it is Bailey pitching....that may be called a ball. Heck...it would be.

We need an earpiece in the umps ear...and a machine telling them what is a ball or strike. I cannot stand the human element of balls and strikes. So many games are determined by umps bad strikezone judgement...and how tired they are later in the game or who is AB or pitching.

[Matt700wlw]

Straight pitches at 88mph aren't going to get it done....

[Matt700wlw]

Yeah. That.

[Highlifeman21]

Babe Ruth Crisp takes Homer yard.

[CTA513]

Bailey is not going to win today.

[OnBaseMachine]

Coco Crisp homers. 3-0.

Probably safe to assume three runs for Beckett is enough, especially with this Reds offense.

[flyer85]

Homer has no command of his pitches ... he is a lot more likely to hang one(like he did to Crisp) than make a quality pitch. He is no way shape or form ready be a starter in the bigs.

[Buckeye33]

Man, I've never heard Welchie get on any one guy like he has today on Bailey. He's telling the truth, but he usually doesn't rip a Reds player like this.

[flyer85]

Bailey is not going to win today.I could have told you that before the game started

[OnBaseMachine]

Homer just pulled off a nice curve to Lugo. Too bad he can't do that more often.

[flyer85]

all the Reds are doing by running Bailey out there is diminishing his value

[Matt700wlw]

That curve was nice.

He shows flashes....but show no consistancy at all.

[Highlifeman21]

Bruce misplayed a ball yesterday on the play where they got Lowell at the plate, and he misplayed Lugo's flyball, but was able to use his quicks to get there in time.

I'd rather see Patterson in CF and Bruce in RF and Griffey playing for another team.

[flyer85]

Homer just pulled off a nice curve to Lugo. Too bad he can't do that more often.and yet he didn't get a swing and a miss or a taken strike ... Lugo recognized it early and fouled it off(completely unlike the curves Beckett threw in the bottom of the first)

Beckett almost got a hit on a hanger

[Matt700wlw]

:lol: Beckett

[OnBaseMachine]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Reds put Homer in the bullpen for the next couple months and then maybe give him some starts late in the season. His stuff looks good at times and putting him in the bullpen could allow him to have some success and work on some things.

[Highlifeman21]

Nice grab by Phillips.

[OnBaseMachine]

and yet he didn't get a swing and a miss or a taken strike ... Lugo recognized it early and fouled it off(completely unlike the curves Beckett threw in the bottom of the first)

Beckett almost got a hit on a hanger

The first curve to Lugo was a called strike.

[Buckeye33]

and yet he didn't get a swing and a miss or a taken strike ... Lugo recognized it early and fouled it off(completely unlike the curves Beckett threw in the bottom of the first)

Beckett almost got a hit on a hanger

Actually, Lugo did take a nice curve ball for a strike. Then he fouled off another one on the next pitch.

[Tony Cloninger]

Someone said Dickie...changed his mechanics ...is this just conjecture due to people's dislike of Pole and wanting to blame him for these pitchers (only that ones that suck...the ones that pitch good...he has nothing to do with) ??

[CTA513]

Bailey is already over 50 pitches after 2 innings.

[Highlifeman21]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Reds put Homer in the bullpen for the next couple months and then maybe give him some starts late in the season. His stuff looks good at times and putting him in the bullpen could allow him to have some success and work on some things.

Homer may have to reinvent himself to have a big league career. Going to the pen fulltime may be such a move.

[Tony Cloninger]

I told you EE would not learn anything from Dunn's AB.

He looked a lot more patient earlier this year.

[Highlifeman21]

Nice double by Votto.

[Matt700wlw]

Vottoriffic!

[OnBaseMachine]

Why does Votto continue to hit 7th? I'd like to see him no lower than 5th.

[Matt700wlw]

Another blurb..

Fox Sports
From Ken Rosenthal

"Get ready for the next round of Adam Dunn trade talks. Dunn loses full no trade protection Sunday. After Sunday he can be traded to all but 10 teams without his permission.

Dunn told me he hopes for a resolution soon...and says the trade talks get old. He added he's open to an extension. The Reds have made no contact with him about a deal."

[OnBaseMachine]

Jay has turned into a first pitch hacker since moving to leadoff.

[Matt700wlw]

Griffey to the Rays stuff

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/06/13/heyman.griffeyrays/

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce is OPSing under .600 in the leadoff spot. Please drop him back to number two or three where he has protection.

[Tony Cloninger]

Good grief....is it the Corey disease? Beckett is throwing strikes....and if you want to take your chances ...like Ross did (great AB) and get two strikes on you...then good luck...but that first pitch looked like a ball to Bruce.

I only recall Carew and larkin as 2 guys who could get down 0-2 and actually feel like they were in control of the AB. Maybe Jeter too.

[Matt700wlw]

Lovely.

[OnBaseMachine]

Ellsbury homers on 0-2.

4-0.

[CTA513]

0-2 and he can't put the hitter away.

[KYRedsFan]

First game I've seen Bailey pitch, as he just needs to be out of the rotation. Yesterday, and he has shown nothing ever to convince me that he is even close.

And again.

NIce pitching for his attitude problem

[CrackerJack]

Really no reason Homer should be up here at all.

[Highlifeman21]

Nancy Drew with the line drive HR over Griffey.

The Cincinnati fans let Bailey know about their happiness.

[Matt700wlw]

I guess laughter is the best way to deal with this...

[Caseyfan21]

This is getting ugly quick.

[RedsManRick]

Welcome to the majors Homer. That crap won't work up here.

Matt Maloney, keep a bag packed.

[WVRedsFan]

Homer may have potential, but this club can no longer count on him as a main cog anytime soon. I'd be open to put him in a deal to get a right handed bat or a catcher. Sorry, but sometimes things just don'w work out and Homer is probably one of them.

[BCubb2003]

Whatever happened to Ty Howington?

[Highlifeman21]

The pitch to Drew, was that a changeup or a fastball? I honestly couldn't tell.

[CTA513]

Thats the 6th homerun given up by Bailey and hes only pitched 3 games.

[OnBaseMachine]

It was a bad move when Walt rushed Homer up and it's looking even worse now. At least put him in the bullpen.

[Razor Shines]

It's obvious that Homer just cares more about Prostate Cancer Research than Josh Beckett.

[Matt700wlw]

I'm wondering if this kid has the makeup to be a good major leaguer....he show no signs of improvement or adjustment.

[KYRedsFan]

Exactly, Ty Jr. All buzz, no bite.

[CrackerJack]

Welcome to the majors Homer. That crap won't work up here.

Matt Maloney, keep a bag packed.

Would he really be any better given the way he's gotten rocked lately in AAA?

[Highlifeman21]

The NESN announcers have asked a couple times what Homer's best pitch is. They said from what they've seen, they can't tell.

[WVRedsFan]

Looks much worse than he did last year.

[Highlifeman21]

Thats the 6th homerun given up by Bailey and hes only pitched 3 games.

That's Milton-esque.

[Red in Chicago]

finally...

[Matt700wlw]

If Dick Pole had Bailey changed his mechanics, which obviously hasn't worked, then he should go...this kid looks lost, and worse than he did before.

[KYRedsFan]

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[OnBaseMachine]

Reds fans boo Homer Bailey as he leaves the field. I'm really embarrassed to be a Reds fan sometimes.

[WVRedsFan]

That's Milton-esque.
That's much worse than Milton on average.

Oh well, at least we took one game from them...

[joshnky]

I really dislike Homer Bailey. Sure the kid is young and learning but he is just awful right now. He should not start another game for this team for a long time.

[Wheelhouse]

All this talk by CHris Welch about his delivery--why is he not capping it off with the fact that the player is poorly coached?

[joshnky]

Reds fans boo Homer Bailey as he leaves the field. I'm really embarrassed to be a Reds fan sometimes.

I'd boo him and this team too. The kid's awful.

[Highlifeman21]

Reds fans boo Homer Bailey as he leaves the field. I'm really embarrassed to be a Reds fan sometimes.

Why?

Does Homer not deserved to be booed based on his performance today?

[Cyclone792]

The Cincinnati fans let Bailey know about their happiness.

I'd say there's a pretty good chance we'll be seeing Daryl Thompson pitch next week ... live and in person.

[Wheelhouse]

Reds fans boo Homer Bailey as he leaves the field. I'm really embarrassed to be a Reds fan sometimes.

Why? Poor performance + very expensive tickets = Boos.

[Highlifeman21]

I'd say there's a pretty good chance we'll be seeing Daryl Thompson pitch next week ... live and in person.

Hopefully this means we won't see Bailey in the Bronx.

(keeping fingers crossed)

[KYRedsFan]

His delivery was awful today. I mean just obviously aiming the ball. Finishing high and way off the mound left. Disasterous.

[Caseyfan21]

Reds fans boo Homer Bailey as he leaves the field. I'm really embarrassed to be a Reds fan sometimes.

I usually wouldn't boo much....but he he flat out deserved it. He was absolutely terrible.

[OnBaseMachine]

Why?

Does Homer not deserved to be booed based on his performance today?

Umm, no.

The kid is 22 years old. He's struggled lately in AAA. He should have never been here in the first place. Booing him off the field was downright embarrassing IMO. Just like booing Jay Bruce a few nights ago for dropping a flyball was embarrassing.

[WVRedsFan]

All this talk by CHris Welch about his delivery--why is he not capping it off with the fact that the player is poorly coached?


Because, Chris is friends with all the coaches and the manager and the players and everyone else in Cincinnati. Why is he doing JTM commercials? Because he has connections (and probably a good agent). You get real critical of the staff and you lose "friends" and access.

Marty and Brantley the only ones who have the guts to criticize and they catch the devil for it. That's why.

[Caseyfan21]

Hopefully this means we won't see Bailey in the Bronx.

(keeping fingers crossed)

What day was he scheduled?

[joshnky]

I really don't want to see Maloney either. As bad as Homer was in AAA prior to getting the call Maloney has been worse of late. The era of 5 will look real nice when he faces major league pitching in this launching pad. I'm all for giving Thompson a chance. At least he is performing right now.

[Wheelhouse]

Because, Chris is friends with all the coaches and the manager and the players and everyone else in Cincinnati. Why is he doing JTM commercials? Because he has connections (and probably a good agent). You get real critical of the staff and you lose "friends" and access.

Marty and Brantley the only ones who have the guts to criticize and they catch the devil for it. That's why.

Hmmm. Well good for Marty and Brantley then. Another thing, there's all this stufff they're saying about "pitch to the mitt" the Reds' catchers DON'T put up their mitts for the delivery. LAZY.

[Cyclone792]

What day was he scheduled?

Friday - Volquez
Saturday - Bailey
Sunday - Cueto

That's the current schedule. I'll be at the Saturday and Sunday games, and honestly, I'm not interested in going all the way up to Yankee Stadium to watch Ball Four do his thing.

[Caseyfan21]

Umm, no.

The kid is 22 years old. He's struggled lately in AAA. He should have never been here in the first place. Booing him off the field was downright embarrassing IMO. Just like booing Jay Bruce a few nights ago for dropping a flyball was embarrassing.

If I was at that game paying $20-$60+ for a ticket and I had to sit through the last hour of Red Sox batting practice I think I would be a little upset. He didn't fool anyone out there. Just about everything was hit hard. It's not like they were getting bloop singles and errors from fielders. Those 5 runs were all on Homer. As a fan paying ridiculous prices I deserve to let Homer and the Reds front office know how I feel.

Do you expect the fans to stand up and give him a standing ovation for being terrible?

[joshnky]

Umm, no.

The kid is 22 years old. He's struggled lately in AAA. He should have never been here in the first place. Booing him off the field was downright embarrassing IMO. Just like booing Jay Bruce a few nights ago for dropping a flyball was embarrassing.

When you pay to go to a game and watch professionals play you expect a professional performance. Stupid mistakes like Bruce dropping the ball and now Homer's inability to do his job are not up to the expectations and deserve boos. They're adults, they can handle the criticism.

[Highlifeman21]

Umm, no.

The kid is 22 years old. He's struggled lately in AAA. He should have never been here in the first place. Booing him off the field was downright embarrassing IMO. Just like booing Jay Bruce a few nights ago for dropping a flyball was embarrassing.

I respectfully disagree.

If I were at the park, I would have booed Homer after giving up the Crisp homer, the Ellsbury homer and especially the Drew homer.

Once The Dusty pulled Homer, if I were at the park, I would have booed him until he got into the dugout.

His performance was definitely boo-able. The fans at the park called a spade a spade and voiced their displeasure not only with Homer, but the Reds as a whole.

[Caseyfan21]

Friday - Volquez
Saturday - Bailey
Sunday - Cueto

That's the current schedule. I'll be at the Saturday and Sunday games, and honestly, I'm not interested in going all the way up to Yankee Stadium to watch Ball Four do his thing.

Ah, that's good then. I have tickets for Sunday's game. I wouldn't mind seeing Thompson but I'll take Cueto. At least he's good some of the time.

[Highlifeman21]

What day was he scheduled?

IIRC, it was supposed to be...

Friday = Volquez
Saturday = Homer
Sunday = Cueto

[BCubb2003]

The fans only have a blunt instrument at their disposal.

It's not like the third base side can chant "Who messed"

and the first base side chants "with Bailey's mechanics?"

[Highlifeman21]

Friday - Volquez
Saturday - Bailey
Sunday - Cueto

That's the current schedule. I'll be at the Saturday and Sunday games, and honestly, I'm not interested in going all the way up to Yankee Stadium to watch Ball Four do his thing.

On the other hand, if Bailey does start, I wanna see the Yankees knock him out in the 1st inning, and I would bet good money that it would happen.

[OnBaseMachine]

On the other hand, if Bailey does start, I wanna see the Yankees knock him out in the 1st inning, and I would bet good money that it would happen.

Not often you see a fan wishing for the opposing team to knock out the pitcher in the first inning.

[Highlifeman21]

Not often you see a fan wishing for the opposing team to knock out the pitcher in the first inning.

The Yankees have some boppers. I wanna see Homer's pedestrian stuff get knocked out of The House That Jeter ruined.

And then on Sunday, I wanna see Cueto dominate the Yankees and strike out 10+.

[nate]

The Yankees have some boppers. I wanna see Homer's pedestrian stuff get knocked out of The House That Jeter ruined.

And then on Sunday, I wanna see Cueto dominate the Yankees and strike out 10+.

Wow...that's...quite something.

[OnBaseMachine]

Wow...that's...quite something.

It sure is.

I'm a Reds fan. I'd like to see Homer Bailey pitch well and get the Reds a win.

[Caseyfan21]

It sure is.

I'm a Reds fan. I'd like to see Homer Bailey pitch well and get the Reds a win.

I'd really like to see Homer pitch well in Louisville that day and the Reds get a win.

[Scrap Irony]

Yeah, why would you want your favorite team to win a game when they're struggling? Why would you want a 22-year-old who could be a valuable trading chip to improve?

Hoping for defeat is always one answer as a fan.

[WVRedsFan]

I'd really like to see Homer pitch well in Louisville that day and the Reds get a win.

Dreamer. The Reds lose. That's their mission in life. :D

Homer will probably stay up so Dick can work with him...:eek:

[Highlifeman21]

It sure is.

I'm a Reds fan. I'd like to see Homer Bailey pitch well and get the Reds a win.

I want the Reds to have their best chance to get the W.

Homer Bailey is not high on the Reds' list of starters in terms of best chance to get the W.

Do I want to see Homer Bailey pitch well? You betcha.
Do I expect him to do so? Absolutely not.

If I'm stuck having to watch Bailey pitch on Saturday, then I wanna see stuff that I've never see at a game before, like maybe one of the Yankees hit 4+ HR in the game, or maybe the Reds get no-hit or be victim to the perfect game. Bottomline, if I'm stuck having to watch Bailey, I wanna see history.

On Sunday, I wanna see Cueto dominate the Yankees. I'd settle for a quality start, but I'd love to watch him fool the Yankees with his slider and his changeup, and then blow the fastball by them when they aren't lookin' for the heater.

[Tony Cloninger]

I like how Welsh is bringing up using technology in regards to balls/strikes...that is what they need to look at.

[Matt700wlw]

Vottoriffic!

[Highlifeman21]

Votto's looked good at the plate today.

Seeing the ball well.

[fearofpopvol1]

On the NESN telecast, Jerry Remy just killed the reds crowd...he said something along the lines of: "I was wondering why people were clapping so I looked up and saw a make noise sign going but as soon as it was down everyone stopped like we're at a tennis match."

They made some tennis jokes about being quiet before the serve. They were definitely killing the fans.

[Falls City Beer]

I can't believe the Reds didn't trade Bailey when he had some value.

[Red in Chicago]

now, that was some play by cabrera

[fearofpopvol1]

I can't believe the Reds didn't trade Bailey when he had some value.

Didn't you call the Reds winning today in another thread last night?

[Matt700wlw]

Nice play.

[Highlifeman21]

On the NESN telecast, Jerry Remy just killed the reds crowd...he said something along the lines of: "I was wondering why people were clapping so I looked up and saw a make noise sign going but as soon as it was down everyone stopped like we're at a tennis match."

They made some tennis jokes about being quiet before the serve. They were definitely killing the fans.

2nd time during the telecast they've made the tennis match analogy.

[Highlifeman21]

I can't believe the Reds didn't trade Bailey when he had some value.

Homer Bailey's value started the decline 6/5/07.

It's gone nowhere but down ever since that date.

[Falls City Beer]

Didn't you call the Reds winning today in another thread last night?

Shows you what I get for being optimistic.

I didn't so much think Bailey would be good, as I thought maybe the offense would keep up and it would become a battle of the pens. That's not to be, however.

I was right about this pitching staff, though, wasn't I?

[Matt700wlw]

Cabrera not too shabby over at SS today

[Highlifeman21]

Thankfully Votto made sure that ball didn't get by him.

Cabrera should have put it in his pocket.

[Red in Chicago]

2nd time during the telecast they've made the tennis match analogy.

I've been to several games where this is a pretty fair assessment. Very sad.

[fearofpopvol1]

Shows you what I get for being optimistic.

I didn't so much think Bailey would be good, as I thought maybe the offense would keep up and it would become a battle of the pens. That's not to be, however.

I was right about this pitching staff, though, wasn't I?

You thought this Reds offense would be able to score runs off of Beckett? He hasn't had the best start to this season, but his peripherals are still very, very good.

The pen has been pretty good for a little while now (especially if you subtract Lincoln/Weathers from the equation). The starters (not named Volquez) have been the problem.

[Red in Chicago]

more stellar d

[Highlifeman21]

more stellar d

I guess Dunn got the error b/c Lowell went to third?

On a more positive note, I see the Majik man is on his way in!

[Falls City Beer]

Wayne Krivsky's 12-man pitching staff, ladies and gentlemen! Let's give 'em a round of applause for some fine work.

[Matt700wlw]

Castellini is now in the booth to talk about the house cleaning article...

[Matt700wlw]

Castellini says it's news to him....Walt hasn't said anything to him about "cleaning house"

[Highlifeman21]

Castellini is now in the booth to talk about the house cleaning article...

His responses should prove interesting.

[fearofpopvol1]

Castellini is now in the booth to talk about the house cleaning article...

Can you give a recap (when it's finished)?

[Red in Chicago]

Castellini is now in the booth to talk about the house cleaning article...

it's really painful to listen to cast in the booth...give us a summary of what's said matt

[Matt700wlw]

That was quick, now they've moved on to another topic...nothing earth shattering

[WVRedsFan]

I guess it finally gets to the point where you just wonder.

* Win Friday's game 3-1, but get only 4 hits
* Battle back from a deficit to tie the game on Saturday, but a bone-headed base-
running play costs you the win in 9 (and poor pitching in the 10th seals it)
* Then you're reminded on Sunday that this is the real Reds team--offensively
challenged with little pitching.

Guess we should enjoy the greatest game on earth and forget about that winning thing. It doesn't seem to be in the cards for this bunch.

[Matt700wlw]

Another hit....2 more runs

[Red in Chicago]

coco = the new billy hall???:rolleyes:

[Highlifeman21]

I learned something today.

Majewski was a 2nd Round Draft Pick in 1998.

As he lets in 2 runs charged to Affeldt.

[Highlifeman21]

coco = the new billy hall???:rolleyes:

The AL version.

[RedlegJake]

Well, a few more games like this and Walt's firesale can start

[Highlifeman21]

8-0.

Painful.

[Matt700wlw]

That sound you just heard was the season officially ending.

Time for moves, and a look to 2009

[fearofpopvol1]

Cast is in the booth now with Thom and Chris and he says he still believes the Reds have a shot this year and they have the ability to contend.

I know that is what he is supposed to say, but still.

[Red in Chicago]

bob says they still have a shot at it...lol

[KronoRed]

Guys it's the Red Sox, not getting swept should be cause for celebration.

[Matt700wlw]

The Brennaman kids make an appearance....they're funny

[KronoRed]

Cast is in the booth now with Thom and Chris and he says he still believes the Reds have a shot this year and they have the ability to contend.

I know that is what he is supposed to say, but still.

He's gotta be kidding.

[Cyclone792]

Bob Castellini is a painful public speaker. Just absolutely painful.

[Tony Cloninger]

Losing is a disease....Losing is....he sounds like that guy from The Natural and I feel like walking out just like Redford did.

He is just being positive and not really saying anything to bring this down any further.

How would Hank Stienbrenner sound up there?

[OnBaseMachine]

Wayne Krivsky's 12-man pitching staff, ladies and gentlemen! Let's give 'em a round of applause for some fine work.

I'm standing and applauding him right now! Thank you Wayne for Edinson Volquez, Jared Burton, Bill Bray, Bronson Arroyo, and Jeremy Affeldt!

[Red in Chicago]

Bob Castellini is a painful public speaker. Just absolutely painful.

my ears...my ears...

[Matt700wlw]

Cabrera and Votto have all 4 of the Reds hits.

[vaticanplum]

Bottom of the fifth at 3:15 pm? I thought the AL was supposed to adjust to our timing when they made the trip...

[OnBaseMachine]

Ever since Bruce moved to leadoff he's started swinging at bad pitches out of the strikezone.

[KronoRed]

Ever since Bruce moved to leadoff he's started swinging at bad pitches out of the strikezone.

Wonder if a certain manager wants him being more aggressive ;)

[Tony Cloninger]

I am sure baker told him to do this? :D

Seriously.....what happened to his patience?

Well...nice of Bob to stop by and add virtually nothing to this debacle.

reminds me of the scene in Animal House after Dean Wermer left the house after telling them they were on double secret probation.

[Matt700wlw]

:lol:

White flag raised. Patterson in for Griffey


I'd demand my money back if I were at this game

[37red]

Bob Castellini is a painful public speaker. Just absolutely painful.

castellini is in pain

[Falls City Beer]

I'm standing and applauding him right now! Thank you Wayne for Edinson Volquez, Jared Burton, Bill Bray, Bronson Arroyo, and Jeremy Affeldt!

You forgot Lincoln, Weathers, Maj, and, yes, Affeldt. And the fact that he left slots 4 and 5 essentially blank in the rotation.

[Tony Cloninger]

Hey...It's the One pitch kid Corey Patterson....and he get's to bat 3rd.

I think Corey would have been great in the 70's Pirate ballclubs....they never took those walks (Save for Stargell) He and manny Sanguillen..Omar Moreno and Frank Taveras could form the No Walk Club.

[Falls City Beer]

Ever since Bruce moved to leadoff he's started swinging at bad pitches out of the strikezone.

Couldn't be the MLB learning curve could it?

[Matt700wlw]

Now it's 9-0, and Gary Majewski looks more like himself again

[Falls City Beer]

Now it's 9-0, and Gary Majewski looks more like himself again

Guys like Pedroia pad their stats against crap like Majic.

[Matt700wlw]

Hopefully this is the last harrah for Majewski

[Highlifeman21]

I'm standing and applauding him right now! Thank you Wayne for Edinson Volquez, Jared Burton, Bill Bray, Bronson Arroyo, and Jeremy Affeldt!

Arroyo and Affeldt?

Really?

Volquez, Burton, Bray, Harang, Cueto, sure, I'll give you those.

But Arroyo and Affeldt?

[Falls City Beer]

Arroyo and Affeldt?

Really?

Volquez, Burton, Bray, Harang, Cueto, sure, I'll give you those.

But Arroyo and Affeldt?

Wayne had nothing to do with Cueto (or Harang except for the extension). I'll give him Volquez, Arroyo, and Burton, but I don't really count anything else in the positive column. And even with Arroyo, he extended him too long.

[fearofpopvol1]

Arroyo and Affeldt?

Really?

Volquez, Burton, Bray, Harang, Cueto, sure, I'll give you those.

But Arroyo and Affeldt?

Arroyo is good when you consider it was for Wily Mo Pena. The contract extension was premature and for too much money, however.

[OnBaseMachine]

Arroyo and Affeldt?

Really?

Volquez, Burton, Bray, Harang, Cueto, sure, I'll give you those.

But Arroyo and Affeldt?

Yeah, really.

Arroyo has given the Reds 532 innings of 3.96 ERA ball since coming to Cincinnati. And Affeldt entered today with a 3.98 ERA and .780 OPS against and averaging over a K/9. He's been solid at times. People seem to forget how well Arroyo has pitched for the Reds.

[OnBaseMachine]

Another good outing by Bill Bray. A groundout, strikeout, single, and another strikeout.

[Matt700wlw]

I miss the patient Jay Bruce.

[OnBaseMachine]

Votto singled again. He's 3-for-3 with a double off Beckett.

Bruce GIDP on the first pitch. He's been a totally different hitter since moving to the leadoff spot.

[CTA513]

That was a 5 or 6 pitch inning for Beckett.

[Matt700wlw]

Weathers to pitch....Javy to catch.

[CTA513]

Weathers to pitch....Javy to catch.

Let Javy pitch

[Matt700wlw]

..and of course, the first guy gets a hit off of Stormy

[Matt700wlw]

Sean Casey! Nice ovation for him!

[OnBaseMachine]

Of course Weathers throws a scoreless inning when its a blowout.

[Matt700wlw]

Now Patterson gets to see his 1 pitch of the day...

[Matt700wlw]

...ok 3 pitches

[penantboundreds]

how many times has patterson popped out to third?

[Matt700wlw]

Why does Dusty run Burton out there in blowouts?

[Red in Chicago]

Why does Dusty run Burton out there in blowouts?

so he's not available when he's really needed...:rolleyes:

[penantboundreds]

i would really like to see some shakeups before tuesday, bc if we dont have someone else thats reliable in the least in the bullpen soon, Burton and COCO are going to have their arms fall off

[WVRedsFan]

Everbody got quiet.

Reds Lose 9-0

[OnBaseMachine]

Why does Dusty run Burton out there in blowouts?

Only Dusty knows.

[CTA513]

so he's not available when he's really needed...:rolleyes:

Had to save him for today.

:ughmamoru

[Spring~Fields]

I miss the patient Jay Bruce.

He is kind of struggling at leadoff, like he did in spring training, I miss him batting second with Griffey behind him, that was a recipe that worked, now the chef changed the recipe, and the results are different.

[WVRedsFan]

He is kind of struggling at leadoff, like he did in spring training, I miss him batting second with Griffey behind him, that was a recipe that worked, now the chef changed the recipe, and the results are different.

For some reason when Keppinger was hurt and then Hairston, someone had the bright idea Bruce should leadoff (which IMHO is a poor choice). He was knocking the cover off the ball and you really need him down in the order, but who knows?

Anyway, you are correct. With Griffey behind Bruce and Phillips and Dunn behind Griffey, the team showed offensive life, but with Bruce leading off, we are lost in getting runs.

[reds44]

I'd bat Phillips leadoff. It will get Bruce out of there and also encourage Phillips to stop swinging for the downs.

[Spring~Fields]

I'd bat Phillips leadoff. It will get Bruce out of there and also encourage Phillips to stop swinging for the downs.

You're right, Phillips would have to adjust his approach and he is very capable of doing that. He can hit for average, work a walk, bunt, hit doubles, we know he can hit homeruns, hit to the opposite field and has that speed. Plus he has a lot of pride and doesn’t like to look bad or be embarrassed especially when the media or camera is around. He would try very hard to do well in the leadoff spot. I remember when he came, he was trying to get Narron to hit him near the top or leadoff.

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