6/19/08 Reds vs Dodgems - Griffey still sick

[Matt700wlw]

LA Dodgers
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
J. Pierre lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .281
B. DeWitt 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .278
J. Kent 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .249
R. Martin c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .306
J. Loney 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .300
M. Kemp cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .291
A. Ethier rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .286
A. Berroa ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .154
E. Stults p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
N. Hopper cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .269
J. Bruce rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .325
B. Phillips 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .265
A. Dunn lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .227
E. Encarnacion 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .244
J. Votto 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .278
P. Bako c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .241
P. Janish ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .192
A. Harang p

[oneupper]

REDS down early 1-0

Dodgers waiting on Harangs FB outside.

[Matt700wlw]

Dodgers score a 2 out run in the top of the first...

1-0 Dodgers

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang retired Pierre and Dewitt on three pitches to start the game. Kent and Martin followed with back-to-back doubles to make it 1-0 Dodgers. Loney walked. Kemp fielders choice.

1-0 Dodgers after 1/2 inning.

It looked like an easy inning for Harang after retiring the first two on three pitches.

[Matt700wlw]

Note - the SS is not batting second.

:eek:

[NC Reds]

I never thought I would be happy to see Norris Hopper in a lineup. Because of Corey, I am.

[fearofpopvol1]

At least Hopper showed a good at bat. Something to be said for patience!

[Matt700wlw]

Bruce's K numbers have risen quickly.....but, that was the scouting report on him...he WILL strike out quite a bit.

[OnBaseMachine]

If Gameday is correct then this guy has a huge strikezone today. That first strike call on Bruce was a foot outside according to gameday.

[flyer85]

Cy Stults pitching for the Dodgers today :D

[OnBaseMachine]

Surprisingly the Reds go in order.

[RedsManRick]

I can admit it, against a lefty, this might be the best lineup I've seen from Dusty all season. Other than the fact that Ross should be starting, I can't really argue with any of it.

[Matt700wlw]

Harang snags one from Ethier.

[RedsManRick]

Is there a free internet radio feed for the game?

[Matt700wlw]

C. Trent thinks Fogg pitches Saturday.

I'll be sure to miss that game if that's the case - I'll be busy anyway with my parents, at least part of the day.

[RedsManRick]

Harang seems to be up in the zone quite a bit. Painful to see him use so many pitches against the bottom of the order.

[CTA513]

8 pitch walk.... to the pitcher.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang allows a single to Berroa with one out.

And then they do a pitchout on 1-1 with the pitcher batting. That's always a brilliant move to pitchout with the pitcher batting and get your own pitcher behind in the count. And of course he walks the pitcher.

[Matt700wlw]

Dunner!

[flyer85]

Dunner!
explain

[Degenerate39]

Beautiful play by Dunner

[Degenerate39]

explain

Caught the ball in left and threw the runner out at 2nd.

[oneupper]

Nice play by our defensively challenged LF.
Came in to snag a soft fly from Pee air and caught Berroa napping off second,
with a snap throw.
Phillips with the nice stretch, too.

[lollipopcurve]

Beautiful play by Dunner

I can imagine him making a good play, but not a beautiful one. What happened?

We need some PBP, if anyone's up to it....

[Matt700wlw]

explain

Sorry, I fogot...there's no visual today (at least for most)

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn with some wheels....and gets an infield hit!

[lollipopcurve]

Came in to snag a soft fly from Pee air and caught Berroa napping off second,
with a snap throw.
Phillips with the nice stretch, too.

thank you!

[lollipopcurve]

Dunn with some wheels....and gets an infield hit!

The Ricciardi Effect.......

[nate]

Chat is open!

[PuffyPig]

....That's always a brilliant move to pitchout with the pitcher batting and get your own pitcher behind in the count.

So, you are suggesting that you never pitchout? A pitchout almost always puts you behind in the count.

Becuase when you do pitchout, I'd rather you do it with a poor hitter at the plate.

[RedsManRick]

2nd Inning at bats, by pitch count:

Dodgers
Ethier: 8, Line Out
Berroa: 6, Single
Stultz: 8, BB
Pierre: 3, GIDP
Total: 25 pitches

Reds
Dunn: 2, Single
EE: 1, Pop out
Votto: 3, Line out
Bako: 3, Pop out
Total: 9 pitches

3rd Inning is following a similar strategy. You can say this for Joe Torre teams, they know how to take a pitch and wear out an opposing starter. Clearly Dusty isn't watching.

[CTA513]

Harang at 49 pitches with 0 outs in the 3rd.
Stults at 25 pitches in his first start of the season after 2 innings.

[OnBaseMachine]

So, you are suggesting that you never pitchout? A pitchout almost always puts you behind in the count.

Becuase when you do pitchout, I'd rather you do it with a poor hitter at the plate.

I don't pitchout to the pitcher when the guy on first base is 24-for-39 in stolen base attempts the last four seasons.

[Degenerate39]

Would it hurt to take some pitches?

[RedsManRick]

Geez. Can somebody, anybody please take a few pitches. This is ridiculous. This rookie is going to have an 80 pitch complete game.

[Matt700wlw]

Would it hurt to take some pitches?

It very well might.

[RedlegJake]

Harang grounds to the pitcher. 2 down.

[Reds Fanatic]

Stultz is through 3 on only 36 pitches

[RedlegJake]

Hopper fans on three pitches. Wow.

[Matt700wlw]

This team is boring.

[RedsManRick]

Hopper fans on three pitches. Wow.

Gameday shows 5...

[RedlegJake]

If I was making my first big league start I'd want it to be against the Reds, too.

[RedlegJake]

Gameday shows 5...

That is correct. My bad.

[Matt700wlw]

Awesome. Kemp homers.

[RedlegJake]

That was quick.

[RedsManRick]

Kemp goes oppo on a belt-high fastball on the outer half. 2-0. Good news is that it only took 2 pitches.

[KronoRed]

Would it hurt to take some pitches?

Be agreesive and put the ball in play, don't clog the bases!:D

[oneupper]

Redzone trade target HRs to Right Center.
2-0

[CTA513]

Does that second run put the Reds and its might 1 run offense out of reach?

[RedlegJake]

Janish gets Ehtier on a nice play

[OnBaseMachine]

Angel Berroa has more hits today than the Reds.

[Matt700wlw]

Has there ever been a ML baseball game in which 0 people showed up?

That'd send a message...:)

[RedlegJake]

Berroa singles up the middle off BP's glove (nice try)

[Matt700wlw]

Why's it called a hit and run when you run before you hit?

[CTA513]

Harang can't get Stults out, except this time it didn't take 8 pitches.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang falls behind 2-0 on Stults and he singles. He's been on base more than the Reds today.

[fearofpopvol1]

Amazing

[Matt700wlw]

Miley, Narron, Baker....

This team still stinks at the basics of the game.

[flyer85]

harang must be a red headed stepchild

[Matt700wlw]

Bruce and Hopper collide...but Bruce catches the ball.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bunt single by Pierre makes it 3-0 and runners on first and second and only out. The Reds are about to get swept by the Dodgers and finish the homestand at 2-7 and head out on a nine game roadtrip to Yankee Stadium, Toronto, and Cleveland. It could get ugly pretty quick.

[oneupper]

For those not watching...

Pee air bunts up the first base line. Votto gets it, but Phillips is late to cover.
Base hit....

3-0

[Chip R]

Bruce and Hopper collide...but Bruce catches the ball.


And we thought Bruce was safe after Freel got hurt.

[Matt700wlw]

Bunt single by Pierre makes it 3-0 and runners on first and second and only out. The Reds are about to get swept by the Dodgers and finish the homestand at 2-7 and head out on a nine game roadtrip to Yankee Stadium, Toronto, and Cleveland. It could get ugly pretty quick.

It's already ugly.....it may become unwatchable.

It almost is.

[oneupper]

Bruce and Hopper collide in getting a fly ball.

Bruce gets it....but...

[flyer85]

It could get ugly pretty quick.already is ugly

[oneupper]

Harang Ks Kent on a nice breaking ball.

[RedsManRick]

2 pitch out for Bruce

[fearofpopvol1]

Harang just got angry in the dugout. He beat down that paper cup!

[oneupper]

2 pitch out for Bruce

Line out to Kemp, who had to make a jumping over the shoulder grab.

[Matt700wlw]

2 pitch out for Bruce

Thanks Dusty and Jacoby....the kid was nice and patient when he got here. He did hit it hard, though.

[Matt700wlw]

Harang just got angry in the dugout. He beat down that paper cup!

The cup had no chance

[RedsManRick]

Line out to Kemp, who had to make a jumping over the shoulder grab.

Good to know he at least hit it well. I won't complain if they're producing line drives.

[RedlegJake]

Miley, Narron, Baker....

This team still stinks at the basics of the game.

Which should tell you something about the players...when every manager the Reds've had has the same problem with players executing the fundamentals you have to start thinking players and not managers

[CTA513]

back to back days in which Dunn fails to get a runner in from 3rd with less than 2 outs.

[RedsManRick]

BP takes third on a throwing error while stealing 2B. Dunn Ks. EE pops out to SS on the 2nd pitch.

EE's pop up problem is borderline incredible. I've never seen anything like it.

[oneupper]

Dunn goes down swinging a ball four....
EE pops one up.
BP stranded at third. :(

[Matt700wlw]

BP takes third on a throwing error while stealing 2B. Dunn Ks. EE pops out to SS on the 2nd pitch.

EE's pop up problem is borderline incredible. I've never seen anything like it.

You've never been to the circus?

[LincolnparkRed]

I am ready for the Dunn era to be over, I know players with 100BBs and 40 homers don't grow on trees but at this point I expect him to fail in these situations and then hit a solo homer when it is 10-0 either way.

[lollipopcurve]

EE's pop up problem is borderline incredible. I've never seen anything like it.

I know. It occurred to me last night that it seems like every one of his popups stays in play -- why don't some find the seats?????

[CTA513]

I hope Baker doesn't let Harang go more than 5 today.

[fearofpopvol1]

On the bright side...the way the Reds keep losing, they're going to get a high draft pick next year.

[lollipopcurve]

I hope Baker doesn't let Harang go more than 5 today.

Unless he implodes, you know Harang is out there longer than 5.

[RedlegJake]

I know. It occurred to me last night that it seems like every one of his popups stays in play -- why don't some find the seats?????

EE is being pitched to pop up. He pops up everything high and inside on his fists. Anything low, and high and outside he can hit. High and in he pops up every time. Everybody is pitching him that way now. Until he learns to hit that pitch or lay off it he's gonna have a rough time.

[RedlegJake]

Another hit, now a walk and a single with Kemp up. Harang is completely out of whack.

[CTA513]

The Dodgers are making sure the Reds know the game is already over as they now make it a 5-0 lead.

[Matt700wlw]

Dick Pole on his way to the mound....I'm sure that will help

[RedlegJake]

Now a drive in the gap, double for Kemp. 5-0 LA

[CTA513]

Dick Pole on his way to the mound....I'm sure that will help

Dusty should be the one going out.

[HokieRed]

I'm way past the time when I'd like to see the Dunn and Griffey era over. I also hope Walt is reconsidering the untouchables list regarding EE.

[Dom Heffner]

When a pitcher obviously doesn't have it, why prolong the suffering?

[OnBaseMachine]

It's gotta be frustrating for Reds pitchers knowing they have to be near perfect to stay in the game.

[RedsManRick]

Another hit, now a walk and a single with Kemp up. Harang is completely out of whack.

His control has always been superb -- it's gone. He's missing the zone and then leaving stuff over the plate. Not pretty. I've noticed he's working 88-90 instead of 90-92 as well. Something seems wrong -- injury or mechanics.

[HokieRed]

Without Josh, the game was over at 1-0. Thanks, Wayne.

[MrCinatit]

It pains me to admit that I am becoming very worried about Harang.

[Matt700wlw]

Brantley says Harang's issue is mechanical.

That's another strike against Dick Pole in my book

[RedlegJake]

The Reds are really, really bad. As of now Volquez is the only reliable starter, the defesne is silly bad, and the offense looks pathetic. We could be heading for another high draft pick next June - like the top three.

[OnBaseMachine]

Without Josh, the game was over at 1-0. Thanks, Wayne.

Thanks Wayne for getting us the best pitcher in baseball.

I'm sick and tired of hearing about Josh Hamilton.

[Matt700wlw]

Without Josh, the game was over at 1-0. Thanks, Wayne.

Hamilton? Come on...

I love Josh Hamilton too, but I love having Volquez more.

Can't have both. If they could...they would.

[HokieRed]

100 losses bad.

[RedlegJake]

Ethier flies out. Torre is showing Baker how you play aggressive. Kemp was almost on third when Hop caught the ball and nobody told Hopper - his throw was late trying to get Kemp at 2nd.

[flyer85]

Which direction is the wind blowing today?

[RedlegJake]

EE drops line drive but throws out the batter anyway. 2 down

[CTA513]

Harang didn't need to stay in and finish the inning.

[RedlegJake]

Now Stults hitting better than anyone in our lineup is up.

[RedlegJake]

Stults strikes out.

[LincolnparkRed]

Too bad it couldn't have been Dunn for Edinson is what you might want but there is no way we would have kept Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn and Bruce. So Wayne took the one he thought he could live without and got the best pitcher on this team back, what more could you ask for? Personally I can't live with the Dusty hire, I have no beef with any Krivsky trades.

[oneupper]

Now Stults hitting better than anyone in our lineup is up.

Heck, Harang is hitting as well as any of the REDS. Better than many (CP?)

[LincolnparkRed]

Heck, Harang is hitting as well as any of the REDS. Better than many (CP?) Janish too, maybe Castro wasn't so bad???

ducks....

[RedlegJake]

Votto continues to hit, laces a single

[Matt700wlw]

I didn't realize Sandy Koufax was still alive...and pitching, for that matter!

[RedlegJake]

Bako Ks and Janish is up. 7-8-9 we might as well just record three outs and move on. Save a lot of time.

[RedlegJake]

Janish 1 for last 23. CP territory.

[oneupper]

Bako hitting .187 after April.

[RedlegJake]

Fly out to Kemp. 2 down. Philips Phing

[oneupper]

Dodger announcers saying that Lowe admitted to not having his good stuff last night.

[KronoRed]

Dodger announcers saying that Lowe admitted to not having his good stuff last night.

Shame, he might have thrown a perfext game.

[RedlegJake]

Harang 5IP 10H 5ER 3BB

[RedlegJake]

Grounder to third. 3 down. 5-0 LA

[oneupper]

Germany-Portugal at 2:45 pm

[gm]

His control has always been superb -- it's gone. He's missing the zone and then leaving stuff over the plate. Not pretty. I've noticed he's working 88-90 instead of 90-92 as well. Something seems wrong -- injury or mechanics.

but did you notice he never misses inside...?

This just in...Aaron Harang has gone from a #1 starter to a #5 starter in 9 months time...

[reds44]

This homestand was ugly.

[Homer Bailey]

I'm beginning to think that HokieRed IS Josh Hamilton, and just wants us to really miss him.

[RedsManRick]

but did you notice he never misses inside...?

This just in...Aaron Harang has gone from a #1 starter to a #5 starter in 9 months time...

He never throws inside at all. Never has.

[Matt700wlw]

I'm beginning to think that HokieRed IS Josh Hamilton, and just wants us to really miss him.

I think we all do miss him....but as they say in baseball...you have to lose something to get something

[Matt700wlw]

This just in...Aaron Harang has gone from a #1 starter to a #5 starter in 9 months time...

I wouldn't go that far...However, Volquez is definitely the ace now.

[oneupper]

REDS need to start getting some "pity calls" from the Umps.

[HokieRed]

I promise to shut up about Josh Hamilton, though it's damn frustrating to watch this so-called offense.

[Reds Fanatic]

This homestand was ugly.

I have a feeling this road trip is going to be even worse.

[OnBaseMachine]

Leadoff singles from Hopper and Bruce.

[OnBaseMachine]

I have a feeling this road trip is going to be even worse.

I don't know, 2-7 is hard to beat. Volquez will pitch twice on the trip so I could see the Reds winning two or three.

[lollipopcurve]

He never throws inside at all. Never has.

He used to throw in more than he does now. I agree that this is an important deficiency in his approach this year.

[RichRed]

So what's happening in the game?

[Matt700wlw]

So what's happening in the game?

Nothing....well, unless you like the Dodgers.

[gm]

I wouldn't go that far...However, Volquez is definitely the ace now.

Well AH would be the #5 as far as his effectiveness goes, if the Red's staff had a 2,3,4

[OnBaseMachine]

Hopper and Bruce singled to begin the 6th, but right on cue Phillips struckout and Dunn GIDP.

6-0 Dodgers after 6.

[CTA513]

So what's happening in the game?

The Reds didn't show up for another game.

[oneupper]

Eric Stults:

Minor League Record:
36-43 4.74 ERA. WHIP 1.50 10.19 H/9...etc.

28 year old non-prospect. Fill-in.

shut out thru 6.

[Tony Cloninger]

You can talk about top of the lineup stinking....and batting orders that suck....but this middle of the lineup has become terrible to watch.
You would think it's Cesar Cedeno...Paul Householder and Mike Vail up there.

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds are now 3 for 50 (.060) on this homestand with runners in scoring position

[RedsManRick]

Hopper and Bruce singled to begin the 6th, but right on cue Phillips struckout and Dunn GIDP.

6-0 Dodgers after 6.

Dunn on the first pitch -- one he had no business swinging at. Today smells of Dusty telling the boys to "make something happen".

[OnBaseMachine]

The Reds have scored two runs in the last 34 innings and have scored one run or less in four straight games.

[RedlegJake]

You can talk about top of the lineup stinking....and batting orders that suck....but this middle of the lineup has become terrible to watch.
You would think it's Cesar Cedeno...Paul Householder and Mike Vail up there.

You're right. It's not just the bad 1-2 combos we've seen, or the automatic 7-8-9 like tonight, but the entire lineup - seems as if there is never more than one of the 3-4-5-6 hitters that is hot but always 2 or 3 who are stone cold.

[RedsManRick]

You're right. It's not just the bad 1-2 combos we've seen, or the automatic 7-8-9 like tonight, but the entire lineup - seems as if there is never more than one of the 3-4-5-6 hitters that is hot but always 2 or 3 who are stone cold.

Only 1 person it today's lineup has more than 300 career PA and an OPS north of .800. Yeah, the guys are cold across the board. But the reality is also that it's just not a great lineup.

[Reds Fanatic]

Edwin walks and Votto reaches on an error by Kent. 1st and 3rd with no outs. Now how don't they score this inning.

[OnBaseMachine]

The Reds may score! EdE walked and Kent made an error, so the Reds have runners on first and third with nobody out. Can they score?

[RedlegJake]

Bako brings in a run.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bako singles off the glove of Loney. 6-1 and runners on first and second.

[Reds Fanatic]

An actual hit with runners in scoring position. Bako singles in a run. 6-1 Dodgers.

[RedlegJake]

Big argument about whether it hit Loney's glove first or Votto on the run. Torre is arguing.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pitching change - Scott Proctor in to pitch

[oneupper]

Big argument about whether it hit Loney's glove first or Votto on the run. Torre is arguing.

Replay was rather obvious. Ball deflected off Loney...
but with the way things are going. :rolleyes:

[OnBaseMachine]

If we're lucky we may get to see Corey Patterson PH!

[RedlegJake]

Yanish BA the last 25 ABs is .040 :eek:

[Reds Fanatic]

Valentin hitting for Affeldt

[oneupper]

If we're lucky we may get to see Corey Patterson PH!

Javy on Deck...no such luck.

[RedlegJake]

Valentin hitting for Affeldt

Hitting for Affeldt

[Reds Fanatic]

4 pitch walk to Valentin. Bases loaded for Hopper

[RedlegJake]

Javier walks.

[RedlegJake]

Hopper the Hammer up.

[MasonBuzz3]

Hop couldnt have rolled that ball out there any better, beautiful bunt

[RedlegJake]

Tremendous bunt single by Hopper!

[Reds Fanatic]

A bunt single for Hopper. 6-2 Dodgers. Bases still loaded for Bruce.

[OnBaseMachine]

Hopper bunt single. Bases loaded and only one out for Bruce. Here would be a nice time for his first career grand slam.

[OnBaseMachine]

Joe Beimel in to face Bruce.

[reds44]

Who bunts for a hit with the bases loaded? Norris Hopper does.

AND IT WORKS.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[RedlegJake]

Bruce Ks.

[OnBaseMachine]

According to gameday that 2-1 strike call on Bruce was way outside.

[RedlegJake]

BP up so Torre is changing pitchers again.

[Reds Fanatic]

Jonathan Broxton coming in to face Phillips

[RedlegJake]

Good move on Torre's part.

[RedlegJake]

And BP makes him pay for it

[RedlegJake]

2 runs in on the single with Dunn up. 1st and 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

They have had 3 hits this inning with runners in scoring position. Before this inning they had 4 in these 9 games of this homestand.

[RedlegJake]

wild pitch both runners advance

[MasonBuzz3]

IBB to Dunn, loaded for EdE


come on Mr. Clutch

[KronoRed]

Dunn gets the intentional pass

[RedlegJake]

9 batters this inning, and they're walking Dunn

[RedlegJake]

C'mon Broxton, throw one out over the plate

[RedlegJake]

EE grounds out to Berroa. 3 down.

[Reds Fanatic]

Edwin grounds into a 6-4 FC. 6-4 Dodgers after 7.

[KronoRed]

Some life :clap:

[lollipopcurve]

Brandon Phillips -- worth it.

[HokieRed]

Walt's list of untouchables needs some modification: one deletion, one addition would suit me.

[RedlegJake]

Weathers pitching to DeWitt, Kent and Martin

[Reds Fanatic]

Weathers in to pitch the 8th

[RedlegJake]

Dewitt grounds out 4-3

[RedlegJake]

Two old guys face off...2-0 count, the geriatric moment here and Kent booms a high fly. Bruce nabs it. Our old guy wins the mini battle. 2 down.

[RedlegJake]

Stormy facing baseball's premier catcher Martin, quickly ahead 0-2, goes 1-2 then gets the soft grounder pitcher to Votto. 3 down.

[Reds Fanatic]

Easy 9 pitch inning for Weathers

[OnBaseMachine]

Votto lined out. Bako grounded out. Cabrera lined out.

6-4 after 8.

[OnBaseMachine]

The Reds were a Jeff Kent error away from getting shutout again today. This offense has been downright painful to watch, especially on this homestand.

[reds44]

I am hungry. Lunch anyone?

[Reds Fanatic]

Cordero in to pitch the 9th

[OnBaseMachine]

I am hungry. Lunch anyone?

I just had some nuggets from McDonalds.

[Matt700wlw]

I guess Dunn gave them a double with lack of hustle....based on what Marty and Jeff are saying

[oneupper]

I guess Dunn gave them a double with lack of hustle....based on what Marty and Jeff are saying

Something like that. Or he lost it in the sun.

[RichRed]

I just had some nuggets from McDonalds.

On purpose?

[Matt700wlw]

Sounds like Bruce made a nice play!

[oneupper]

Bruce makes the catch in deep right and fires a bullet to third which almost nails the runner.

[OnBaseMachine]

On purpose?

Nah. My brother ran down the road for something and brought them back for me. I usually don't eat much McDonalds.

[Matt700wlw]

Something like that. Or he lost it in the sun.

Wish I could see it...make my own judgement

[oneupper]

Insurance run for the the blue boys.

[OnBaseMachine]

7-4 Dodgers after 8 1/2.

[Reds Fanatic]

7-4 Dodgers mid 9th. A pinch hitter, Hopper and Bruce due up.

[OnBaseMachine]

Corey Patterson PHing.

[Reds Fanatic]

Patterson hopefully for the last time ever is pinch hitting

[Matt700wlw]

Patterson...Marty says this could be his last in a Reds unifor...thinks he'll go when Thompson comes up (which it's looking like he will)


SCRATCH THAT - he got a hit

[Dom Heffner]

Saito in for the cheap 3 run save. Why managers bring in their best pitcher when 93% of the time anybody with an arm could keep the opposing team from scoring 3 runs before getting 3 outs is beyond me.

[HokieRed]

"Pinch-hitter" doesn't quite fit CP. More like a pinch guy who has good at bats.

[Reds Fanatic]

Patterson actually gets a leadoff single

[KronoRed]

Patterson safe for another month :clap:

[Joseph]

A hit means he starts tomorrow.

[HokieRed]

CP may have saved his career.

[RedsManRick]

Nice at bat from Patterson. Good to see.

[Matt700wlw]

"Pinch-hitter" doesn't quite fit CP. More like a pinch guy who has good at bats.


That was a very rare good at bat. His at bats are normally AWFUL

[reds44]

I would probably send Janish out before Patterson.

GASP

[Reds Fanatic]

Hopper grounds into a 6-4 FC. 1 out.

[RichRed]

Did Patterson get caught stealing yet?

[Reds Fanatic]

I would probably send Janish out before Patterson.

GASP

I think they will send down Patterson now and then Janish goes when Keppinger comes back hopefully on this road trip.

[Matt700wlw]

Bruce tossed...tried to call timeout and was not allowed. Called strike three...and Bruce didn't like it

[RedlegJake]

Bruce gets thrown out for the first time in his career!

[reds44]

Jay! That was the most exciting play since EE's homer off of Papelbon.

[OldXOhio]

Saito in for the cheap 3 run save. Why managers bring in their best pitcher when 93% of the time anybody with an arm could keep the opposing team from scoring 3 runs before getting 3 outs is beyond me.


Torre may just be trying to keep him sharp - only his 3rd app in the last 10 days.

[Chip R]

Saito in for the cheap 3 run save. Why managers bring in their best pitcher when 93% of the time anybody with an arm could keep the opposing team from scoring 3 runs before getting 3 outs is beyond me.


Because it's a save situation and people associated with that pitcher - not to mention the pitcher - get grumpy when they can't rack up an easy save.

[RedsManRick]

BP getting a steady diet of outside stuff. Hanging in there...

[Dom Heffner]

Torre may just be trying to keep him sharp - only his 3rd app in the last 10 days.


It's a manager managing to the stat. It's really stupid.

I'ver seen studies where you have like a 3% chance of blowing a 3 run lead, no matter who is out there.

[RedlegJake]

Ground out to SS. Reds are broomed at home.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips made an out to end the game but that was a good 11 pitch AB. Dodgers win 7-4 Reds get swept and end a 2-7 homestand.

[Dom Heffner]

He only has 3 appearances in those 10 days because managers only put these guys in for a save chance. It's just silly.

If he's your best pitcher, use him where you need him the most- winning, losing, tied.

[OldXOhio]

It's a manager managing to the stat. It's really stupid.

I'ver seen studies where you have like a 3% chance of blowing a 3 run lead, no matter who is out there.

Were the 2004-2007 Reds bullpens included in the calculation of this stat?

[RedlegJake]

If the Reds win the next 7 games they still won't be .500 at the halfway point.

[OldXOhio]

He only has 3 appearances in those 10 days because managers only put these guys in for a save chance. It's just silly.

If he's your best pitcher, use him where you need him the most- winning, losing, tied.


So when in this series was he needed?

[LincolnparkRed]

In other news Dave Bush throwing a no hitter thru 7

[KronoRed]

I would probably send Janish out before Patterson.

GASP

Nah send Patterson out, neither can hit and Janish plays good D at a more important spot.

[CTA513]

Time to go to New York and sweep the Yankees.

:all_cohol

[WVRedsFan]

I skipped the game today because I couldn't take it anymore. I jsut got through reading the game thread. It looks like the pathetic hitting rubbed off on Harang to the point even he isn't reliable. Sad.

That said, the position players batted 22-95 in this series (.230). The horrible list is Cabrarra (0-8), Janish (0-3), Bruce (2-12), Dunn (2-9), and Edwin (2-11). We were 6-22-0 (avg of 2-7-0) and the Dodgers were 16-30-2 (avg of 5-10-1). Sad.

The famed pitching looked like 2006. Starters went 18.1 innings from our No 2, No. 3 and No. 4 pitchers, giving up 22 hits and 13 ER. ERA = ablut 6.40. The relief corps was better in 8.2 innings, allowing only 3 runs. ERA = 3.20.

Harang and Arroyo pitched 11 innings of 17-hit, 11-run ball. Are you kidding me?

Yes, this club is improving alright. They batted .230 in the series and the pitching had an ERA of 5.33. And you wonder why they're not winning.

At this rate, the Reds will finish 72-90 and for the second consecutive season! You can blame Dusty or the hitting coach or whomever you want, but the sad tale is this is not a good club.

[KittyDuran]

I skipped the game today because I couldn't take it anymore. I jsut got through reading the game thread. It looks like the pathetic hitting rubbed off on Harang to the point even he isn't reliable. Sad.

That said, the position players batted 22-95 in this series (.230). The horrible list is Cabrarra (0-8), Janish (0-3), Bruce (2-12), Dunn (2-9), and Edwin (2-11). We were 6-22-0 (avg of 2-7-0) and the Dodgers were 16-30-2 (avg of 5-10-1). Sad.

The famed pitching looked like 2006. Starters went 18.1 innings from our No 2, No. 3 and No. 4 pitchers, giving up 22 hits and 13 ER. ERA = ablut 6.40. The relief corps was better in 8.2 innings, allowing only 3 runs. ERA = 3.20.

Harang and Arroyo pitched 11 innings of 17-hit, 11-run ball. Are you kidding me?

Yes, this club is improving alright. They batted .230 in the series and the pitching had an ERA of 5.33. And you wonder why they're not winning.

At this rate, the Reds will finish 72-90 and for the second consecutive season! You can blame Dusty or the hitting coach or whomever you want, but the sad tale is this is not a good club.Hey, you should have been AT the game.;) My parents along with a cousin and her husband went as well (I got them mezzanine tickets - WC accessible) and was surprised they lasted until the 8th inning.

My next games are the three in Cleveland - hope they get out of their funk by then.:pray:

[Spring~Fields]

I skipped the game today because I couldn't take it anymore. I jsut got through reading the game thread. It looks like the pathetic hitting rubbed off on Harang to the point even he isn't reliable. Sad.

I did too, have to behave myself out of consideration for the others. Poor old keyboard has been getting steamed lately. :eek: Thread was a good read, those guys with some of those one liners are very funny.


That said, the position players batted 22-95 in this series (.230). The horrible list is Cabrarra (0-8), Janish (0-3), Bruce (2-12), Dunn (2-9), and Edwin (2-11). We were 6-22-0 (avg of 2-7-0) and the Dodgers were 16-30-2 (avg of 5-10-1). Sad.

Wow, that is sad. How can that happen to so many batters at the same time, seems like the whole team.



Yes, this club is improving alright. They batted .230 in the series and the pitching had an ERA of 5.33. And you wonder why they're not winning.

I think that apathy has set in with the team and that they are pretty much airmailing it in now, won't be surprised to see more hit the DL.


At this rate, the Reds will finish 72-90 and for the second consecutive season! You can blame Dusty or the hitting coach or whomever you want, but the sad tale is this is not a good club.

The results must mean something and the pitching, hitting and fielding coaches are a part of that something. Jocketty will probably fire them all at the end of the season.

[WVRedsFan]

Wish I could be that optimistic, SF. My guess is were stuck with them through the AS break next year.

[Spring~Fields]

Wish I could be that optimistic, SF. My guess is were stuck with them through the AS break next year.

I am not so sure about the coaching staff, most of them were the old regimes or managers weren't they? I could see them exiting at the end of this season. Pole, Jacoby, Berry and the bullpen guy.

[Matt700wlw]

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