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Joseph
07-02-2008, 05:09 PM
Peglegs

1. McLouth cf
2. Rivas 2b
3. Bay lf
4. Doumitc
5. Nady rf
6. LaRoche 1b
7. Bautista 3b
8. Van Benschoten p
9. Wilson ss

Redlegs

1. Bruce cf
2. Keppinger ss
3. Griffey rf
4. Phillips 2b
5. Dunn lf
6. Encarnacion 3b
7. Votto 1b
8. Bako c
9. Thompson p

Game time 7:05 PM

Screwball
07-02-2008, 07:14 PM
Thompson struggling already. 1-0 Pirates with nobody out.

Tom Servo
07-02-2008, 07:14 PM
I've grown to really hate the Pirates.

Screwball
07-02-2008, 07:15 PM
Make that 2-0 with nobody out.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 07:15 PM
Maybe one of these days Paul Bako will realize that all major league hitters can hit a fastball? Especially when you call for it all the time? How about mixing in a breaking ball?

Tom Servo
07-02-2008, 07:19 PM
Thompson's having a Dumatrait-looking start.

Screwball
07-02-2008, 07:19 PM
Nady with the Pirates' 4th straight hit to lead off the game. The thing is, with the exception of McLouth who hit the first pitch, Thompson's gotten ahead (usually 0-2) on every single batter.

NC Reds
07-02-2008, 07:20 PM
Dick Pole's visit to the mound seems to have really helped.

Red in Chicago
07-02-2008, 07:20 PM
i didn't think david weathers was starting today;)

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 07:20 PM
Thompson doesn't have the regular zip or movement on his fastball tonight. It doesn't help when that's basically the only pitch he's throwing too.

Looks like a long night. It's already 2-0 and maybe more runs to come. Plus the Reds are facing a rookie with an 8.00+ ERA so that's a guaranteed shutout by the Pirates. ;)

gm
07-02-2008, 07:22 PM
Thompson's having a Dumatrait-looking start.

Except for when Dumatrait starts against the Reds

So in a few years when Thompson is starting against Cincy, will he shut them out for 6-7 innings, too?

Red in Chicago
07-02-2008, 07:23 PM
pirates showing how to get em on, get em over and get em in

Spring~Fields
07-02-2008, 07:27 PM
Maybe one of these days Paul Bako will realize that all major league hitters can hit a fastball? Especially when you call for it all the time? How about mixing in a breaking ball?

Something like that always comes to my mind when we see the young guys who are having their pitches called from the bench or by the catcher, if a bad night, is it the pitcher or another reason.

Screwball
07-02-2008, 07:28 PM
4-0 Pirates before the Reds get to bat. Yuck.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 07:29 PM
4-0 Pirates after 1/2 inning.

Thompson doesn't have much tonight. Mixing his pitches up better couldn't hurt though.

gm
07-02-2008, 07:30 PM
Is Van Benschoten the Pirate's version of Homer Bailey?

(we can hope)

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 07:31 PM
The kid is a rookie. The debate's been raging over in ORG about The Trade and how it's a win because of Bray and Thompson. We just got reminded that Thompson has some learning to do. Nothing new, but the jury's still out and the runs keep coming in.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 07:31 PM
John Van Benschoten has a 8.72 ERA and 54 BB/53 K ratio in 76.1 career innings. The Reds should crush him.

Screwball
07-02-2008, 07:32 PM
Is Van Benschoten the Pirate's version of Homer Bailey?

(we can hope)

It looks like it. Well, if Homer Bailey could hit that is.

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 07:32 PM
Is Van Benschoten the Pirate's version of Homer Bailey?

(we can hope)

Probably not tonight. He'll be the Pirate's version of Sandy Koufax.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 07:33 PM
Bruce homers!

Tom Servo
07-02-2008, 07:33 PM
Bruuuuuuuuuuuuce!

NC Reds
07-02-2008, 07:33 PM
The Boss goes yard!!

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 07:33 PM
John Van Benschoten has a 8.72 ERA and 54 BB/53 K ratio in 76.1 career innings. The Reds should crush him.

The Reds crush no one.

Except for Bruce :)

Screwball
07-02-2008, 07:33 PM
Bruce homers to RCF!!

4-1 Bucs now.

Screwball
07-02-2008, 07:34 PM
Probably not tonight. He'll be the Pirate's version of Sandy Koufax.

Did Koufax usually give up leadoff home runs?

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 07:35 PM
I'd like to see Bruce do something special tonight like hit two or three homeruns. :)

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-02-2008, 07:37 PM
Reds do a good job of not following up Bruce's HR with anything at all

Screwball
07-02-2008, 07:39 PM
Another leadoff runner on as Thompson hits Wilson in the arm.

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 07:44 PM
Geez. Thompson's not fooling anyone. Long fly out and great catch by JB.

Cyclone792
07-02-2008, 07:46 PM
Right fielders don't make those catches that Bruce just made.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 07:46 PM
Thompson probably shouldn't be in the majors just yet. He's thrown a total of 89 innings above High-A. Jocketty and co. rushed him.

Screwball
07-02-2008, 07:47 PM
3 (long) fly outs after the leadoff HBP keeps the score at 4-1 Pirates after 1 and a half.

Dunn, EE, Votto due up. I predict we'll see a run or two this inning.

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 07:47 PM
Right fielders don't make those catches that Bruce just made.

You can say that again!

Spring~Fields
07-02-2008, 07:48 PM
The kid is a rookie. The debate's been raging over in ORG about The Trade and how it's a win because of Bray and Thompson. We just got reminded that Thompson has some learning to do. Nothing new, but the jury's still out and the runs keep coming in.

Pirates have a better lineup and theirs is more optimized than the Reds, while Bako and the bench is calling the pitches for Thompson.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 07:48 PM
Dunn with a long homer!

Spring~Fields
07-02-2008, 07:48 PM
Dunnnnnnnnnnnn downtown.

Tom Servo
07-02-2008, 07:49 PM
Dunn and gone.

Big Klu
07-02-2008, 07:49 PM
Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 259
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 205
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

Screwball
07-02-2008, 07:50 PM
In the hole 0-2, EE gets HBP.

Votto digs in.

NC Reds
07-02-2008, 07:51 PM
Votto rakes. Four runs won't win this game.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 07:51 PM
Votto lines a single to RF, EdE to 3B.

Screwball
07-02-2008, 07:52 PM
Votto ropes one into RCF for a single. EE advances to 3rd.

1st and 3rd, nobody out, and Bako now up.

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 07:52 PM
Funny. Here in WV, we always have FS Ohio's Reds coverage, but since the Reds are playing the Pirates, we're getting the Pirates announcers. It really upsets me. Why didn't the Reds claim Southern WV? I'd like to know.

Cyclone792
07-02-2008, 07:53 PM
Votto rakes. Four runs won't win this game.

Nah, it'll be a race to double digits tonight probably. Unfortunately it's also the type of game where Majewski will be getting hammered and giving up runs in the middle innings too.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 07:53 PM
Funny. Here in WV, we always have FS Ohio's Reds coverage, but since the Reds are playing the Pirates, we're getting the Pirates announcers. It really upsets me. Why didn't the Reds claim Southern WV? I'd like to know.

I've got the Reds announcers.

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 07:54 PM
Really stupid baserunning upsets me

NC Reds
07-02-2008, 07:54 PM
Bad baserunning by EdE. We run into a lot of outs.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 07:54 PM
The bad baserunning continues. Groundball to third, EdE hesitates and then runs home and is thrown out by a mile.

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 07:55 PM
I've got the Reds announcers. Where are you?

Tom Servo
07-02-2008, 07:55 PM
Well this inning's gone down the tubes.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 07:55 PM
Thompson bunts into a FC, runner out at 3B. We're seeing this inning why the Reds can't beat bad teams.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 07:55 PM
Where are you?

Cedar Grove, 15 miles east of Charleston.

Kc61
07-02-2008, 07:55 PM
Cincinnati Reds. Can score with homers. Can't score with men on base. Prove me wrong, Jay Bruce.

Screwball
07-02-2008, 07:55 PM
1st and 3rd nobody out quickly turns into 1st and 2nd with 2 outs despite nobody scoring.

Excuse me while I :bang:.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 07:56 PM
Bruce homers again!!!!

5-4 Reds!

NC Reds
07-02-2008, 07:56 PM
Bruce rules.

Tom Servo
07-02-2008, 07:56 PM
Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce!

Big Klu
07-02-2008, 07:56 PM
Funny. Here in WV, we always have FS Ohio's Reds coverage, but since the Reds are playing the Pirates, we're getting the Pirates announcers. It really upsets me. Why didn't the Reds claim Southern WV? I'd like to know.

I think it is because the only thing the national sports media knows about West Virginia is that WVU has a big rivalry with Pitt. Ergo, West-by-God-Virginia must be Pirates/Steelers territory. (Well, I might concede the Steelers part--I don't think I've met a West Virginian who wasn't a Steelers fan.)

Screwball
07-02-2008, 07:56 PM
BRUUUUUUUCE!

5-4 Reds. OBM called it!!

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 07:56 PM
Cedar Grove, 15 miles east of Charleston.

That makes no sense whatsover.

Bruce is back.

Tommyjohn25
07-02-2008, 07:57 PM
Ahhhh...The Bruce is loose once again. Ya gotta love it.

Spring~Fields
07-02-2008, 07:57 PM
:jump:

Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccce
:jump:

I need to write negatively about him more often.

Screwball
07-02-2008, 07:58 PM
Kepp's lined out twice tonight. Still, Reds score 4 to take the lead 5-4 after 2.

Big Klu
07-02-2008, 07:58 PM
Cincinnati Reds. Can score with homers. Can't score with men on base. Prove me wrong, Jay Bruce.

You have been proven both right and wrong.

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 07:59 PM
Cedar Grove, 15 miles east of Charleston.

Ha! Recently got a speeding ticket there. I was on my way to Charleston and thought I'd skip I64. Never again unless I slow down.:)

Degenerate39
07-02-2008, 08:00 PM
Funny. Here in WV, we always have FS Ohio's Reds coverage, but since the Reds are playing the Pirates, we're getting the Pirates announcers. It really upsets me. Why didn't the Reds claim Southern WV? I'd like to know.

I don't live that far from you so the samething is happening to me. Stuck with the Pirates announcers.

Big Klu
07-02-2008, 08:00 PM
Screwball,

I love your quote by Rich Donnelly. I have had the pleasure of meeting him on three occasions. What a great guy!

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 08:01 PM
That makes no sense whatsover.

Bruce is back.

I think you're just about 90 miles up the road from me eh?

Tom Servo
07-02-2008, 08:02 PM
I love that here in North Carolina near Charlotte the Reds are televised every night so I don't have to get Extra Innings but now I don't get JTM or FarmersOnly.com commercials.

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 08:02 PM
I think it is because the only thing the national sports media knows about West Virginia is that WVU has a big rivalry with Pitt. Ergo, West-by-God-Virginia must be Pirates/Steelers territory. (Well, I might concede the Steelers part--I don't think I've met a West Virginian who wasn't a Steelers fan.)

You haven't met many southern West Virginians. OBM will agree, I think that there are zero Pirate fans in the area. It's either the stupidity of the Reds for not claiming this area or the stpidity of MLB for assigning this area to Pittsburgh

Screwball
07-02-2008, 08:02 PM
Screwball,

I love your quote by Rich Donnelly. I have had the pleasure of meeting him on three occasions. What a great guy!

Haha, nice. I figured it was relevant with the way the Reds have been struggling to score runs. Well, until tonight that is. :thumbup:

Cyclone792
07-02-2008, 08:02 PM
Maybe it's been some scouting and preparation, maybe it's been some small adjustments, maybe it's just a Reds-like Pirates pitcher, maybe it's all the above and something else ... but it sure is nice to see Bruce coming around a bit now and rebounding after the slump he's had.

Spring~Fields
07-02-2008, 08:02 PM
Bruce homers again!!!!

5-4 Reds!

Pirate pitchers ERA must be the real deal.

Tom Servo
07-02-2008, 08:02 PM
D'oh.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 08:02 PM
Ha! Recently got a speeding ticket there. I was on my way to Charleston and thought I'd skip I64. Never again unless I slow down.:)

You got pulled over by Barney Fife?

Cyclone792
07-02-2008, 08:02 PM
Meanwhile Daryl Thompson can't hold a lead.

This game has Gary Majewski written all over it. Ugh.

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 08:03 PM
I think you're just about 90 miles up the road from me eh? Try 40. We're almost neighbors. Scary, huh?:D

I taught at Gauley Bridge HS back in the 80's for about 6 months and drove it every day. I went to school at WVU tech.

Big Klu
07-02-2008, 08:03 PM
You haven't met many southern West Virginians. OBM will agree, I think that there are zero Pirate fans in the area. It's either the stupidity of the Reds for not claiming this area or the stpidity of MLB for assigning this area to Pittsburgh

True. Most West Virginians I have met are from the Wheeling/Moundsville/Weirton area, with a few from Parkersburg.

But I wouldn't be surprised that MLB assigned the area to the Pirates because of the WVU/Pitt rivalry. (Stupid reason, I know.)

Cyclone792
07-02-2008, 08:04 PM
Daryl Thompson owes Jay Bruce a steak dinner or something for all run support and the nice catches Bruce has made on the warning track already tonight.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 08:05 PM
You haven't met many southern West Virginians. OBM will agree, I think that there are zero Pirate fans in the area. It's either the stupidity of the Reds for not claiming this area or the stpidity of MLB for assigning this area to Pittsburgh

I think I know of just one Pirate fan in this whole area. The majority are Reds fans...I have a few cousins in the area that like the Braves, a neighbor that likes the Yankees and his brother is a Mets fan. But the majority are Reds fans.

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 08:05 PM
You got pulled over by Barney Fife?

Yeah, I saw him but thought the speed limit on the four lane was 55 all the way through. Silly me. They were nice and didn't report it to the DMKV so I got no points.

Kc61
07-02-2008, 08:05 PM
Thompson needs to learn to throw some pitches out of the zone. Too many pitches right in there, even when ahead of the count. If you walk a guy, the world won't end. Make them chase it once in awhile.

Degenerate39
07-02-2008, 08:06 PM
You haven't met many southern West Virginians. OBM will agree, I think that there are zero Pirate fans in the area. It's either the stupidity of the Reds for not claiming this area or the stpidity of MLB for assigning this area to Pittsburgh

That's very true. In Fayette County it's mostly Braves fans and Reds fans. I know a few Pirates fans but not many at all.

Bob Borkowski
07-02-2008, 08:06 PM
5-5 middle of the 3rd.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 08:07 PM
Try 40. We're almost neighbors. Scary, huh?:D

I taught at Gauley Bridge HS back in the 80's for about 6 months and drove it every day. I went to school at WVU tech.

Sheesh, I didn't realize it was that close.

Spring~Fields
07-02-2008, 08:09 PM
I taught at Gauley Bridge HS back in the 80's for about 6 months and drove it every day. I went to school at WVU tech.

I thought that was so, your understanding approach in response, comes through in your words.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 08:14 PM
I had a feeling Bruce was going to do something special tonight. How about adding a third homerun and joining his buddy Votto in the rare three homerun game by a rookie department?

Spring~Fields
07-02-2008, 08:14 PM
J. Van Benschoten 2.1 4 5 5 0 0 3 10.64


Kid needs more work down in the minors.

No wonder Bruce and Dunn was hitting him :)

Screwball
07-02-2008, 08:14 PM
Van Benschoten taken out in favor of Denny Bautista after Phillips hits a 1 out double.

Phillips promptly swiped 3rd. Runner on 3rd and 1 out with Dunn up.

Dunn pops out to shallow center and Phillips has to hold.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 08:18 PM
The Reds again strand a runner on third with less than two outs. How many times has that happened this series?

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 08:18 PM
All that work for nothing (on Phillips' part).

Oh well, 5-5.

Spring~Fields
07-02-2008, 08:18 PM
K. Griffey Jr. lined out to center
- B. Phillips doubled to left center
- D. Bautista relieved J. Van Benschoten
- B. Phillips stole third
- A. Dunn flied out to shallow center
- E. Encarnacion popped out to first
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

Screwball
07-02-2008, 08:18 PM
EE pops out to 1st.

Once again, the Reds get a runner to 3rd with less than 2 out but fail to score. It wouldn't be so maddening if they didn't do it so damn often.

5-5 after 3.

Kc61
07-02-2008, 08:19 PM
EE pops out to 1st.

Once again, the Reds get a runner to 3rd with less than 2 out but fail to score. It wouldn't be so maddening if they didn't do it so damn often.

5-5 after 3.

It's uncanny. If the Reds were trying to strand runners on second or on third, they couldn't be better at it.

redsfaninbsg
07-02-2008, 08:20 PM
WVU Tech? We play them in football every year, they just got a new football coach right?

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 08:21 PM
WVU Tech? We play them in football every year, they just got a new football coach right?

Yeah. They just hired a local high school coach who runs the run and shoot offense. His HS teams usually pass about 60 times a game.

Tom Servo
07-02-2008, 08:22 PM
Can someone please tell George to stop calling pop-ups "bloops".

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 08:23 PM
WVU Tech? We play them in football every year, they just got a new football coach right?Both West Virginia University (Morgantown, #5 in the polls) and WVU Tech (Montgomery, WV) have new coaches.

Football season is just something to pass time from October to February when spring training starts!

Big Klu
07-02-2008, 08:23 PM
AFLAC Trivia Question: Who was the first player in Reds history to hit 30 homers in a season.

My guess: Hank Sauer

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 08:24 PM
Both West Virginia University (Morgantown, #5 in the polls) and WVU Tech (Montgomery, WV) have new coaches.

Football season is just something to pass time from October to February when spring training starts!

Yep. I've said it before..I'd rather watch the two worst teams in baseball plan an exhibition game rather than watch the Super Bowl.

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 08:25 PM
Yep. I've said it before..I'd rather watch the two worst teams in baseball plan an exhibition game rather than watch the Super Bowl.

Amen!

NC Reds
07-02-2008, 08:26 PM
You don't have to be lonely at farmersonly.com. Avoid those city slickers.

Bob Borkowski
07-02-2008, 08:26 PM
5-5 middle of the 4th.

Big Klu
07-02-2008, 08:29 PM
AFLAC Trivia Question: Who was the first player in Reds history to hit 30 homers in a season.

My guess: Hank Sauer

Correct Answer: Ival Goodman

Big Klu
07-02-2008, 08:30 PM
You don't have to be lonely at farmersonly.com. Avoid those city slickers.

City folks just don't get it.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 08:32 PM
Reds go down 1-2-3 in the 4th. 5-5 after 4.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 08:33 PM
Looks like Bruce will have to wait until the fifth inning to hit his third homerun of the game.

Screwball
07-02-2008, 08:34 PM
As expected, Paul Bako's really come back to Earth. He's now at .223/.299/.375/.674 for an OPS+ of 75. The scary thing? His career OPS+ is 63, so he may not be done plummeting yet.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 08:35 PM
Bay flies out to left on the first pitch.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 08:35 PM
Thompson is starting to mix his stuff up better and is getting better results.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 08:37 PM
Doumit singles to right just off Phillips glove.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 08:38 PM
Nady homers to left. 7-5 Pirates.

Tom Servo
07-02-2008, 08:38 PM
Ughh

Screwball
07-02-2008, 08:39 PM
Thompson's looking like a AAA pitcher tonight.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-02-2008, 08:39 PM
Geesh ... giving up 7 runs to the Pirates is like giving up 15 runs to anyone else

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 08:39 PM
So much for better results. Nady homers. 7-5 Pirates.

Thompson doesn't have the normal velocity on his fastball tonight.

NC Reds
07-02-2008, 08:39 PM
I guess this means we can look forward to the return of Josh Fogg.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 08:39 PM
Geesh ... giving up 7 runs to the Pirates is like giving up 15 runs to anyone else

The Pirates are third in the NL in runs scored.

Kc61
07-02-2008, 08:40 PM
So much for better results. Nady homers. 7-5 Pirates.

Thompson doesn't have the normal velocity on his fastball tonight.

What happened to that rising fastball from NY?

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 08:40 PM
That is it for Thompson. Affeldt in to pitch.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-02-2008, 08:41 PM
The Pirates are third in the NL in runs scored.

Doesn't seem like it. Well, I guess they have faced the Reds a bunch

RedlegJake
07-02-2008, 08:42 PM
Ehhh. Tonight is just a learning experience for Thompson. Mix it up and keep em low kid - you can't miss high and center and survive in this league.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 08:44 PM
LaRoche lines a single to left just past Encarnacion.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 08:47 PM
Bautista flies out to center. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 08:47 PM
D. Bautista strikes out. 7-5 Pirates mid 5th.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 08:51 PM
Bruce lines out to right. 1 out.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 08:51 PM
Bruce smokes a linedrive but right at Nady.

NC Reds
07-02-2008, 08:51 PM
Bruce was a bit unlucky there. Nice to see him getting the ball on the barrel again.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 08:53 PM
Keppinger flies out to center. 2 outs.

lollipopcurve
07-02-2008, 08:55 PM
Junior swinging well these days

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 08:56 PM
Junior singles to right.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 08:58 PM
Phillips strikes out swinging. 7-5 Pirates after 5.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 08:59 PM
That is why Brandon Phillips is so frustrating to watch at the plate sometimes. Ahead in the count 2-1 and he swings at a pitch that bounces in the dirt. And then K's on the same pitch.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:01 PM
Wilson grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:02 PM
McLouth grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 09:02 PM
I'm getting real tired of these Pirate announcers continuing to talk about the superior pitching and club that the Buccos have over the Reds. Why does Suddenlink cable do this to us?

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:03 PM
Infield single for Rivas.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 09:04 PM
I'm getting real tired of these Pirate announcers continuing to talk about the superior pitching and club that the Buccos have over the Reds. Why does Suddenlink cable do this to us?

Seriously? The Pirates have the worst pitching staff in all of baseball?. They honestly believe they have a better pitching staff than the Reds. Wow. I wouldn't trade any of the Reds starters for the Pirates starters.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:08 PM
Bay strikes out looking. 7-5 Pirates mid 6th.

M2
07-02-2008, 09:09 PM
Seriously? The Pirates have the worst pitching staff in all of baseball?. They honestly believe they have a better pitching staff than the Reds. Wow. I wouldn't trade any of the Reds starters for the Pirates starters.

I think it's a hangover complacency from the 2001-2007 seasons. Pretty much all the Pirates had going for them in those days was that the Reds had worse pitching. It's hard to let go when you've got so little.

Always Red
07-02-2008, 09:11 PM
I wouldn't trade any of the Reds starters for the Pirates starters.

Are you sure about that??

What about Matt Morris? :D

NC Reds
07-02-2008, 09:12 PM
Good AB by Dunn.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:12 PM
4 pitch walk to Dunn.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:16 PM
Edwin grounds into a 6-4-3 DP. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 09:16 PM
Edwin tries to pull a 3-1 outside fastball and GIDP.

CTA513
07-02-2008, 09:16 PM
Someone better homer or the Reds might not score anymore runs.

Screwball
07-02-2008, 09:17 PM
3-1 count and Edwin grounds weakly to short to start the double play.

You'd think he'd either put a better swing on the ball, or wait for a better pitch when you're in a count like that.

Kc61
07-02-2008, 09:17 PM
Edwin tries to pull a 3-1 outside fastball and GIDP.

Pitcher was wild, EE should have waited him out.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:18 PM
Sean Burnett in to pitch.

Kc61
07-02-2008, 09:18 PM
Reds better win, I'm starting to find all this very frustrating.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:20 PM
Votto pops out to 3rd. 7-5 Pirates after 6.

Screwball
07-02-2008, 09:20 PM
Reds better win, I'm starting to find all this very frustrating.

Starting?!?!

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:25 PM
Nady strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:26 PM
Doumit hit by a pitch.

LaRoche triples in a run. 8-5 Pirates.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:28 PM
LaRoche is now a ridiculous 7 for 11 in the series.

Double switch.

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 09:28 PM
doulbe swith. Patterson in?

NC Reds
07-02-2008, 09:28 PM
Is he taking Votto out? Huh?

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 09:28 PM
Ah, it's Majewski coming in. Bombs away dream babies!

Screwball
07-02-2008, 09:29 PM
LaRoche overall this season: .235/.313/.383/.696

LaRoche against the Reds this season: .320/.367/.600/.967

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:29 PM
doulbe swith. Patterson in?
No Hairston is in at short and I believe they said Keppinger was moving to 1st.

NC Reds
07-02-2008, 09:30 PM
Why take out one of your better power hitters when you have a problem manufacturing runs?

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 09:30 PM
Thanks. The Pirates announcers were singing the praises of LaRoche as they went to commercial.

This may get ugly

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 09:32 PM
Nifty play by our first baseman

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:32 PM
Phillips takes the ground ball and takes it all the way to 1st as Keppinger is out of position to get back to the base.

Kc61
07-02-2008, 09:33 PM
Good thing Griffey hit that walk off on Monday night. Might have been a sweep. To the Pirates. At home.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:34 PM
Mientkiewicz walks.

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 09:34 PM
Majewski walks his second hitter. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs

M2
07-02-2008, 09:35 PM
LaRoche overall this season: .235/.313/.383/.696

LaRoche against the Reds this season: .320/.367/.600/.967

Let's just hope he and Bill Hall never make a baby.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:35 PM
Wilson grounds into a 6-4 FC. 8-5 Pirates mid 7th.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:35 PM
Good thing Griffey hit that walk off on Monday night. Might have been a sweep. To the Pirates. At home.

And now they get ready to play the team with the worst record in baseball which probably means a big weekend for the Nationals.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:37 PM
John Grabow in to pitch.

Screwball
07-02-2008, 09:38 PM
With Capps now on the DL, I don't see the Reds scoring 3 runs against this Pirate bullpen. Heck, they probably won't score 1.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:38 PM
Bako strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:39 PM
Hairston flies out to center. 2 outs.

NC Reds
07-02-2008, 09:40 PM
Good AB by Bruce.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:41 PM
Bruce walks.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 09:42 PM
This offense just can't score without the homer.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:42 PM
Keppinger grounds out. 8-5 Pirates after 7.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:45 PM
McLouth flies out to left. 1 out.

Screwball
07-02-2008, 09:46 PM
Keppinger grounds out. 8-5 Pirates after 7.

He smoked an 0-1 pitch down the 3rd base line but it was foul by a foot. Couple that with his two lineouts, and Kepp's hit into some tough luck tonight.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:46 PM
Rivas flies out to right. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:52 PM
Bay singles.
Doumit grounds into a FC. 8-5 Pirates mid 8th.

Kc61
07-02-2008, 09:54 PM
Griffey against a lefty. Guess what happened.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:54 PM
Junior strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:56 PM
Phillips strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

NC Reds
07-02-2008, 09:56 PM
Dunn was unlucky. Nice play by McLouth.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 09:56 PM
Dunn lines out to center. 8-5 Pirates after 8.

Watching this offense could cure insomnia.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 10:00 PM
Bray in to pitch.

Nady strikes out swinging. 1 out.

VR
07-02-2008, 10:01 PM
Thommy and Cowboy impressed with Majewski, hitting 93 on the gun regularly and much more impressive overall.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 10:02 PM
LaRoche pops out to short. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 10:02 PM
A long homer to center for Bautista. 9-5 Pirates.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 10:04 PM
Pearce strikes out swinging. 9-5 Pirates mid 9th.

Encarnacion, pinch hitter and Bako due up.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 10:07 PM
Tyler Yates in to pitch.

Edwin flies out to left. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 10:08 PM
Valentin pinch hits and doubles to the wall in right.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 10:09 PM
Bako grounds out to short. Valentin goes to 3rd. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
07-02-2008, 10:12 PM
Hairston swings at ball 4 and strikes out swinging. Reds lose 9-5.

RedFanAlways1966
07-02-2008, 10:14 PM
Once again the mighty REDS can only score via the long ball. Surprise.

3 home runs
2 doubles
2 singles

WVRedsFan
07-02-2008, 11:41 PM
Sad part of this whole mess is this. The Reds scored 5 runs on only 7 hits. 7! This is the same nearly every night. The Reds cannot hit. Period. Scoring 5 runs should be enough to win most games, but the pitching staff continues to regress. Our rookie starter, the darling of everyone after a 5 inning stint in Yankee Stadium, only went 4.1 innings allowing 8 hits and 7 earned runs. The bullpen pitched 4.2 innings allowing 5 hits and 2 earned runs (3.91 ERA). For all of the improvement, we let the Pirates score 9 runs while we flail away and get 7 hits, but with reliable pitching we would have won.

In the series, the Pittsburgh pitching staff, you know the one with the 5.00 ERA held us to 4.7 runs per game and 9 hits per game (take out game 2 and that average was 7.5). Our starters pitched 16+ innings and gave up 22 hits.

PD asked tonight "How many times have you seen this game before?" The answer is every other time they play. Send Thompson back down, use either Fogg or Belisle? Who knows?

I understand Castellini had a closed meeting with Dusty after the game. Dusty better beware. What Castellini does not understand is it's the players on this team. Seriously.

flyer85
07-02-2008, 11:44 PM
the difference tonight was that Pittsburgh went to their pen much earlier(they carry 8 relievers). The Reds would have scored a lot more than 5 if Russell hadn't pulled his starter in the 3rd. Reds really ought to consider carrying an extra reliever.

Big Klu
07-03-2008, 12:09 AM
Phillips takes the ground ball and takes it all the way to 1st as Keppinger is out of position to get back to the base.

The real problem on that play was that Majewski didn't break off the mound to cover 1B.

Tony Cloninger
07-03-2008, 12:10 AM
Thompson has only had 1 bad game....why are you so quick to get down on this guy? Forget Fogg and Belisle.....I already know what they cannot do.

You want younger better players...you better have some degree of patience.
After reading that you think Volquez's star is fading after 2 starts....and Burton after 1 bad game in a long while.....I am wondering if anyone has the patience around here.

Big Klu
07-03-2008, 12:19 AM
the difference tonight was that Pittsburgh went to their pen much earlier(they carry 8 relievers). The Reds would have scored a lot more than 5 if Russell hadn't pulled his starter in the 3rd. Reds really ought to consider carrying an extra reliever.

I just checked their roster, and the Pirates were only carrying 7 relievers tonight. (Denny Bautista, T.J. Beam, Romulo Sanchez, and Tyler Yates from the right side, and Sean Burnett, John Grabow, and Damaso Marte from the left.) Matt Capps went on the DL before the game, and they called up OF Steve Pearce to take his place.

WVRedsFan
07-03-2008, 12:20 AM
Thompson has only had 1 bad game....why are you so quick to get down on this guy? Forget Fogg and Belisle.....I already know what they cannot do.

You want younger better players...you better have some degree of patience.
After reading that you think Volquez's star is fading after 2 starts....and Burton after 1 bad game in a long while.....I am wondering if anyone has the patience around here.

Two bad games. He allowed 8 hits in five innings (and four runs) in his last start. Eric Miltonesque. But, no matter. I want the kid to be good and I want him to develop. I have a lot more confidence in the people in Louisville than Dick Pole. Sorry, but it's true. I'll hold judgment on Edinson until his next start (but I think he'll be OK). The star comment was the media's impression of him, not mine. Burton? Nah. He will be up and down as most relievers are.

Patience? Not really. Just good common sense. Thompson and Homer should have never been called up, just like Pittsburgh's kid tonight. No need to rush these kids to the bigs. It's not as if either club is going anywhere (as you said).

Spring~Fields
07-03-2008, 01:06 AM
The ominous Castellini visit

I recall Narron getting one of those visits and a public vote of confidence followed afterward by Castellini and then...........!! Then came the, "we need a different voice" speech by Bob and his former puppet Krivsky.

Time to CYA Dusty, grab Corey, Junior and Pole, and yell, "they did it Bob" :cool:

Then again, maybe Castellini was checking to see if Dusty's son was interested in a consulting role with the Reds.

WVRedsFan
07-03-2008, 01:11 AM
Then again, maybe Castellini was checking to see if Dusty's son was interested in a consulting role with the Reds.

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

My prediction? Dusty is history.

Spring~Fields
07-03-2008, 01:22 AM
Nothing would surprise me at this point.

My prediction? Dusty is history.

Dusty is a survivor, I do think another will be leaving though. Castellini has a profile of it now in his short tenure as the majority owner, he might actually get madder than many of us privately do, himself.

I think that Bob Castellini needs to keep a lid on his reactive demeanor and allow his people to work through all of this, while he provides leadership and support.

Matt700wlw
07-03-2008, 09:19 AM
Interesting about Dusty getting a visit....not sure what it means, at this point, but it's attention worthy...