Cubs vs Reds 07/09/2008

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati vs. Chi Cubs 07/09/2008


Cincinnati Chi Cubs
J. Bruce cf .265 R. Theriot ss .312
J. Keppinger ss .293 K. Fukudome rf .285
K. Griffey Jr. rf.238 D. Lee 1b .305
B. Phillips 2b .289 A. Ramirez 3b .287
A. Dunn lf .225 G. Soto c .290
E. Encarnacion 3b.247 J. Edmonds cf .230
J. Votto 1b .282 M. DeRosa 2b .289
P. Bako c .224 R. Johnson lf .271
J. Cueto p .042 C. Zambrano p .360

[IslandRed]

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[WVRedsFan]

Zambrano has a higher BA than anyone in our starting lineup. Ugh.

Bruce down to .265. This may not be a pretty night for the boys in Red.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce's struggles continues as he K's swinging on a high 3-2 pitch. Should have been ball four.

[NC Reds]

Increased exposure to Brook Jacoby has not helped Bruce.

[lollipopcurve]

Bruce looks downright awful lately.

I hope Baker isn't telling him to "stay aggressive," cuz Bruce is swinging at a ton of bad balls.

[WVRedsFan]

Increased exposure to Brook Jacoby has not helped Bruce.


Or he could be a rookie facing a good pitcher. Either way, he's falling fast and needs help.

[Spring~Fields]

Bruce's struggles continues as he K's swinging on a high 3-2 pitch. Should have been ball four.

Did they bring Bruce up to soon ?

[Kc61]

In the first six posts we have blame for the hitting coach and manager because a 21 year old is having trouble adjusting the major leagues. Going to be a long night.

[WVRedsFan]

I don't think so. He needs the experience at this level.

[OnBaseMachine]

Did they bring Bruce up to soon ?

Absolutely not. He's got nothing left to prove in the minors. He's just going through typical rookie struggles.

[OnBaseMachine]

In the first six posts we have blame for the hitting coach and manager because a 21 year old is having trouble adjusting the major leagues. Going to be a long night.

I count two. Not sure where you got six.

[WVRedsFan]

Was Kepp running in slow motion or is Soto that good?

[NC Reds]

Griffey refuses to take a walk.

Bruce is fouling off pitches he was hitting a few weeks ago. I'm not impressed with Jacoby in general and couldn't resist taking a shot at him.

[Spring~Fields]

J. Bruce struck out swinging
J. Keppinger safe at first on third baseman A. Ramirez's fielding error
K. Griffey Jr. struck out swinging, J. Keppinger caught stealing, catcher to shortstop

[Kc61]

I count two. Not sure where you got six.


Six was the number of total posts. Two is the correct number of challenges to the ability of the fine managerial/coaching staff of the Cincinnati Reds.

By the way, has anyone noticed that Griffey isn't helping.

[lollipopcurve]

He's just going through typical rookie struggles.

Not typical, I'd say. Extreme.

[Cyclone792]

Reds are now all by themselves at second in the NL in caught stealings with 29. Houston leads the league in caught stealings with 30; of course, Houston also has 21 more stolen bases than the Reds.

The Reds have a stolen base percentage of only 67.4 percent. We thank Dusty for his implementation of Dusty Ball.

[Spring~Fields]

Reds are now all by themselves at second in the NL in caught stealings with 29. Houston leads the league in caught stealings with 30; of course, Houston also has 21 more stolen bases than the Reds.


I did not know that, thanks.

[OnBaseMachine]

Wow. That 2-2 pitch looked like strike three on Fukodome and of course he singles on the next pitch after the missed call.

[WVRedsFan]

I hate to gripe about the umpires so soon in the game, but two of those called balls were strikes.

[OnBaseMachine]

Lee went around. Should have been a strike em out throw em out. Umpires continue to screw the Reds.

[WVRedsFan]

DP makes it all work out.

[OnBaseMachine]

Ramirez GIDP. Inning over.

[Spring~Fields]

Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- R. Theriot struck out swinging
- K. Fukudome singled to right
- D. Lee walked, K. Fukudome to second
- A. Ramirez grounded into double play shortstop to second to first, D. Lee out at second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)


Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 16-9; C Zambrano 17-11.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 2-0; C Zambrano 0-0.

Batters faced - J Cueto 4; C Zambrano 3.

[Kc61]

Not typical, I'd say. Extreme.

I don't think that's fair. Bruce hasn't had much time to adjust. His confidence is obviously affected and he seems tentative up there, particularly with two strikes.

My expectation is that Bruce will get hot, probably at home, and will start to do well.

Remember how Cueto was all fouled up earlier in the season? Now he looks very comfortable out there and is pitching great. Bruce will get there with his hitting.

[Degenerate39]

Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- R. Theriot struck out swinging
- K. Fukudome singled to right
- D. Lee walked, K. Fukudome to second
- A. Ramirez grounded into double play shortstop to second to first, D. Lee out at second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)
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Theriot struck out. Fukudome struck out but Cueto didn't get the call. Lee struck out but it was called a walk.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn homers!

1-0 Reds.

[WVRedsFan]

HR or nothing. 1-0 Reds on Dunn's blast.

[NC Reds]

Dunn goes yard!!!

[Spring~Fields]

Home run Dunn

Nice.

[Homer Bailey]

Dunn owns Zambrano.

[CTA513]

Dunn owns Zambrano.

He usually makes Zambrano work and Zambrano made a mistake and Dunn made him pay for it.

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati Inning Summary

- B. Phillips grounded out to shortstop
- A. Dunn homered to deep center number 23
- E. Encarnacion grounded out to third
- J. Votto lined out to second
- End of Inning (1 Run, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

[NC Reds]

George Grande silently weeps. His boy strikes out.

[OnBaseMachine]

Soto doubles, Edmonds K's on three pitches.

[OnBaseMachine]

Routine groundball to Keppinger and he boots it allowing a run to score from second base. Unearned run.

[Kc61]

Tie game on a Keppinger error. Seemed like the ball took a bad hop.

Watching Cueto, he is one fabulous young pitcher.

[RedsManRick]

Routine groundball to Keppinger and he boots it allowing a run to score from second base. Unearned run.

To be fair, the ball hit a foot print in the mud and hopped up on him. He didn't just boot it.

[OnBaseMachine]

The Reds need to find them a major league caliber defensive shortstop. Keppinger and Hairston just ain't getting the job done defensively.

Johnson flies out and Zambrano ground out.

[Cyclone792]

According to McCoy, Ryan Dempster said there was a whole bunch of discussion in the Cubs dugout last night about how Harang wasn't the normal Harang and that something seemed wrong.

[Spring~Fields]

Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- G. Soto doubled to deep left
- J. Edmonds struck out looking
- M. DeRosa safe at first on shortstop J. Keppinger's fielding error, G. Soto scored
- R. Johnson flied out to deep center
- C. Zambrano grounded out to second
- End of Inning (1 Run, 1 Hit, 1 Error)

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 30-19; C Zambrano 29-18.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 3-1; C Zambrano 2-1.

Batters faced - J Cueto 9; C Zambrano 7.

[Kc61]

The Reds need to find them a major league caliber defensive shortstop. Keppinger and Hairston just ain't getting the job done defensively.

Johnson flies out and Zambrano ground out.

Yeah, Keppinger has now made two errors this season, and that one was a bad hop. Just pathetic.

[OnBaseMachine]

Yeah, Keppinger has now made two errors this season, and that one was a bad hop. Just pathetic.

Ah yes, errors. What a great way to judge a players defense. When you lack range you're probably not going to make errors.

Bruce pops out on a 3-1 pitch. Easy 1-2-3 inning for Zambrano.

[lollipopcurve]

Cueto is the most enjoyable starter to watch right now -- stuff + command.

[CTA513]

Bruce had a 2-0 pitch that he could have crushed.

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati Inning Summary

- P. Bako lined out to second
- J. Cueto struck out looking
- J. Bruce popped out to shallow right
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

[Kc61]

Ah yes, errors. What a great way to judge a players defense. When you lack range you're probably not going to make errors.

Bruce pops out on a 3-1 pitch. Easy 1-2-3 inning for Zambrano.

You take the high error shortstops with range. I'll take the sure handed guys with perhaps a bit less range.

[OnBaseMachine]

Another passed ball on Bako. What is he good at again?

[OnBaseMachine]

Theriot singles, goes to 2nd on passed ball.

Fukudome K's.

Lee flies out.

[VR]

Another passed ball on Bako. What is he good at again?

having a strong three week stretch to open the season to convince the manager that he's capable of being a full time starter?

[OnBaseMachine]

Ramirez walks on 3-2. That ain't good because Soto has hit Cueto well so far this year.

[OnBaseMachine]

Soto grounds into a fielders choice to Kepp.

1-1 after three.

[Spring~Fields]

Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- R. Theriot singled to right center
- R. Theriot to second on wild pitch
- K. Fukudome struck out swinging
- D. Lee flied out to right center
- A. Ramirez walked
- G. Soto grounded into fielder's choice, A. Ramirez out at second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)


WP - J Cueto.

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 53-32; C Zambrano 38-24.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 4-2; C Zambrano 2-3.

Batters faced - J Cueto 14; C Zambrano 10.

[VR]

Phillips with no homers and 2 ribbies in his career at Wrigley.

[OnBaseMachine]

Reds go in order in the 4th.

[Spring~Fields]

Quick up and down for the Reds

Cincinnati Inning Summary

- J. Keppinger grounded out to shortstop
- K. Griffey Jr. flied out to center
- B. Phillips grounded out to third
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

[OnBaseMachine]

Edmonds flies out to shallow RF to begin the 4th.

[OnBaseMachine]

DeRosa grounds out to EdE for the second out.

[WVRedsFan]

You know, we need to win this one with Lilly going tomorrow.

[OnBaseMachine]

Johnson falls behind 0-2. Foul. Ball. Foul. K's swinging on a nasty slider. 4 K's for Cueto.

1-1 after four.

[lollipopcurve]

K's swinging on a nasty slider.

Changeup

[VR]

Hey, I think we have enough for a card game in here now.

[OnBaseMachine]

Cueto made Reed Johnson look awful there on that strikeout. I love this kid.

Cueto: 4 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 4 K

[Spring~Fields]

1 2 3 for Cueto

Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- J. Edmonds flied out to right
- M. DeRosa grounded out to third
- R. Johnson struck out swinging
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)



J. Cueto 4.0 3 1 0 2 4 0 4.46

C. Zambrano 4.0 1 1 1 0 3 1 2.94



WP - J Cueto.

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 69-44; C Zambrano 51-32.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 5-3; C Zambrano 4-4.

Batters faced - J Cueto 17; C Zambrano 13.

[Kc61]

Hey, I think we have enough for a card game in here now.

If Reds fans tuned out this game, they are missing a future ace pitcher in Mr. Cueto. He is extremely impressive against a tough lineup on the road.

On the other hand, the Reds hitters. . . .

[WVRedsFan]

Reds with one hit through 4.2 innings. <shakes head>

[Kc61]

Reds with one hit through 4.2 innings. <shakes head>

Like I said in a recent thread title -- Reds need more hits.

[Homer Bailey]

This offense is so painful to the eyes.

[OnBaseMachine]

Another 1-2-3 inning for Zambrano. 11 in a row retired.

[VR]

Phillips has now been given over 250 plate appearances against right-handed pitching in the cleanup spot, and responded with a .678 OPS.
What is it that I'm missing?

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati Inning Summary

- A. Dunn grounded out to second
- E. Encarnacion struck out swinging
- J. Votto grounded out to shortstop
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)


R H E

1 1 1 Reds

1 3 1 Cubs

[OnBaseMachine]

Zambrano flies out to Dunn on a 0-2 pitch. One out.

[OnBaseMachine]

Theriot gets jammed and bloops a single in front of Griffey. It seems like the Reds lead the world in bloop hits allowed.

[OnBaseMachine]

Fukudome flies an 0-1 pitch to Griffey for the second out.

[lollipopcurve]

Theriot gets jammed and bloops a single in front of Griffey.

Raising his OBP against the Reds to .885

[Screwball]

Changeup

I thought it was a changeup too, but Gameday called it a slider. So who knows? :dunno:

[OnBaseMachine]

0-2 on Lee. Go with the slider here.

[OnBaseMachine]

0-2 pitch to Lee...slider low. Ball 1. Ball two. 2-2 pitch looked like strike 3 but called a ball. 3-2 pitch is grounded out to Kepp.

Cueto: 5 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 4 K

[Spring~Fields]

Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- C. Zambrano flied out to left center
- R. Theriot singled to right
- K. Fukudome flied out to right
- D. Lee grounded out to shortstop
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)



J. Cueto 5.0 4 1 0 2 4 0 4.42
C. Zambrano 5.0 1 1 1 0 4 1 2.91


WP - J Cueto.

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 81-53; C Zambrano 63-41.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 6-5; C Zambrano 6-4.

Batters faced - J Cueto 21; C Zambrano 16.

[NC Reds]

We're not clogging the bases tonight. That much is sure. :(

[RedsManRick]

Johnny Cueto sure gets his money worth at the plate. On his 9th pitch right now.

[Screwball]

We're not clogging the bases tonight. That much is sure. :(

I know some are going to complain about the hitters and tell us how awful they are, but Zambrano's pitching a hell of a game. Great, great movement with some pretty dang good command.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Gotta love this AB from Cueto. I wish many Reds hitters would watch it and learn. 11 pitch at bat. Grounds out, but still.

[Screwball]

Great AB by Cueto there.

Bruce gets robbed by Theriot.

[OnBaseMachine]

Cueto grounds out on the 11th pitch of the atbat. The best atbat of the night.

I love that kid. He is a great athlete.

Bruce is robbed by Theriot. Another 1-2-3 inning.

[Cyclone792]

Bruce droppin' expletives on that one.

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati Inning Summary

- P. Bako grounded out to first
- J. Cueto grounded out to catcher
- J. Bruce grounded out to shortstop
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

[OnBaseMachine]

Ramirez homers on the first pitch fastball.

2-1 Cubs.

[MasonBuzz3]

Bruce droppin' expletives on that one.

0 for last 16.... JP Riccardi says that Bruce has passion for the game

[VR]

just realized Bako has a sub .500 ops over the last two months.

[Spring~Fields]

Mid 6th 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E

Cincinnati 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1

Chi Cubs 0 1 0 0 0 1 4 1



A. Ramirez homered to deep center

[OnBaseMachine]

Soto K's. 5 K's for Cueto.

[OnBaseMachine]

1-2 on Edmonds. Ball 2-2. Foul. Fastball swing and miss. Strikeout #6 for Cueto.

[Screwball]

FWIW, Gameday has Cueto's fastball sitting at 95 tonight.

That last one he struck Edmonds out on? 96.

[OnBaseMachine]

0-1 on DeRosa. Ball one. 1-1. Groundout to Votto.

Cueto: 6 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 6 K...great start.

[Screwball]

95 pitches for Cueto.

[Cyclone792]

just realized Bako has a sub .500 ops over the last two months.

He's replaced Patterson as the offensive force in this lineup.

Speaking of offensive force, here's a good one: My OPS since April 7th is .670, and this is over a span of 194 plate appearances entering tonight's game.

Who am I?

[VR]

0-1 on DeRosa. Ball one. 1-1. Groundout to Votto.

Cueto: 6 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 6 K...great start.

another inning?

[Spring~Fields]

Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- A. Ramirez homered to deep center
- G. Soto struck out swinging
- J. Edmonds struck out swinging
- M. DeRosa grounded out to first
- End of Inning (1 Run, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)


J. Cueto 6.0 5 2 1 2 6 1 4.46
C. Zambrano 6.0 1 1 1 0 4 1 2.89


WP - J Cueto.

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 95-64; C Zambrano 80-52.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 7-5; C Zambrano 9-4.

Batters faced - J Cueto 25; C Zambrano 19.

Scoring Summary
Top 2nd: Cincinnati
- A. Dunn homered to deep center

Bot 2nd: Chi Cubs
- M. DeRosa safe at first on shortstop J. Keppinger's fielding error, G. Soto scored

Bot 6th: Chi Cubs
- A. Ramirez homered to deep center

[OnBaseMachine]

95 pitches through six for Cueto. I'd pull him but you know Dusty will send him back out there.

[reds44]

Cueto has been dealing all night against a great Cubs offense and he makes one mistake and he is now in line for the loss. One hit thru six tonight after two hits thru eight last night. Impressive by the offense. And now two quick outs.

[edabbs44]

Cueto has been dealing all night against a great Cubs offense and he makes one mistake and he is now in line for the loss. One hit through six tonight after two hits thru eight last night. Impressive by the offense.

It's fine...we have a $46MM closer.

[guttle11]

He's replaced Patterson as the offensive force in this lineup.

Speaking of offensive force, here's a good one: My OPS since April 7th is .670, and this is over a span of 194 plate appearances entering tonight's game.

Who am I?

Jeff Keppinger?

[OnBaseMachine]

Cueto has been dealing all night against a great Cubs offense and he makes one mistake and he is now in line for the loss. One hit through six tonight after two hits thru eight last night. Impressive by the offense.

He should be used to it by now. On June 17th he allowed two runs in 7 innings against the Dodgers and lost. Five days later he allowed one run in 5 innings against the Yankees and again lost. He could easily be going for his 10th win tonight with better offense.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Zambrano throws a 59 mph ephus?!? Strike looking. Follows that with a mid 90s fastball to Brandon. Hmmmm

[VR]

He's replaced Patterson as the offensive force in this lineup.

Speaking of offensive force, here's a good one: My OPS since April 7th is .670, and this is over a span of 194 plate appearances entering tonight's game.

Who am I?

Kepp.
Ouch.

[OnBaseMachine]

The Reds have two baserunners in seven innings. A Dunn homerun and Kepp reach on an error.

[Homer Bailey]

Pathetic Offense

[OnBaseMachine]

It's fine...we have a $46MM closer.

The lack of offense is Cordero's fault?

[Cyclone792]

Jeff Keppinger?

Yup, you got it.

Keppinger's posted a dominant line of .274/.333/.337/.670 since April 7th.

[Spring~Fields]

Did I hear George right, 5 straight 1 2 3 innings for Zambrano ?

Cincinnati Inning Summary

- J. Keppinger grounded out to third
- K. Griffey Jr. grounded out to second
- B. Phillips struck out looking
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

[VR]

Bottom of the lineup, I'd tell Johnny this is his last inning....he's got 15 pitches max to get it done.

[Cyclone792]

Did I hear George right, 5 straight 1 2 3 innings for Zambrano ?

Dunn's home run and Ramirez's error on a ground ball are the only things separating Zambrano from a perfect game tonight.

[Spring~Fields]

Dunn's home run and Ramirez's error on a ground ball are the only things separating Zambrano from a perfect game tonight.

ouch !

[reds44]

It's fine...we have a $46MM closer.
Blame the last GM for having no offensive talent. Outside of Phillips he didnt acquire one legit bat. And Jeff Keppinger does not count. He can hit you an empty .300 and play mediocre at best defense. He's just a guy.

[OnBaseMachine]

Cueto back out there. I would have pulled him.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Did I hear George right, 5 straight 1 2 3 innings for Zambrano ?

Yep. The second inning we sent 4 to the plate (dunn dinger) and 1-2-3 in the first. Pretty pathetic. But then again, Z's been lights out too. Combination of great pitching and crappy hitting.

[OnBaseMachine]

1-2 on Johnson and he bounces a single to center. That right there was a perfect time for a slider which has been filthy tonight, instead they call for a fastball.

[edabbs44]

The lack of offense is Cordero's fault?

No...having a frontline closer is useless when you have a backline rest of the team.

[reds44]

Yup, you got it.

Keppinger's posted a dominant line of .274/.333/.337/.670 since April 7th.

Does not surprise me one bit. He is a bench player at best.

[Spring~Fields]

Combination of great pitching and crappy hitting.

I guess I am a fan, I keep hoping in vain.

[OnBaseMachine]

Reed Johnson is a free swinger and Cueto has a filthy slider tonight. A good slider there probably K's Johnson. I don't understand this team sometimes.

Zambrano sac bunt.

[Screwball]

Wow, Zambrano was safe.

[OnBaseMachine]

Finally a call went the Reds way.

Theriot groundout to Cueto. Johnson advances to third with two outs.

[OnBaseMachine]

Good time to bring in Bray here to face Fukudome.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn misplays a flyball into a RBI double. Unreal. I hate this defense.

[Screwball]

Dunn took a Norris Hopper route to that one.

[reds44]

That was a pathetic attempt by Dunn.

[KYRedsFan]

That was pretty sad.

[OnBaseMachine]

This should be a 1-1 game after seven innings right now. Instead Dunn and Keppinger have gift rapped two runs to the Cubs. Unreal.

[MasonBuzz3]

call me a Dunn apologist, but I chalk that one up to home field advantage...that well area at Wrigley is tough for any OF

[Kc61]

Cueto should be out of this game. There is no reason for him to pitch any more tonight because the Reds have no chance to win. The Reds can't get another run. They can't get another hit. They can't get a walk. So what is the point.

Dunn doesn't handle the long fly ball, another run scores. This game is an exercise in futility.

[VR]

Yup, you got it.

Keppinger's posted a dominant line of .274/.333/.337/.670 since April 7th.

A great first week.

Bruce has to be sub .600 in the last month as well, yes?

[Cyclone792]

Cueto should be out of this game. There is no reason for him to pitch any more tonight because the Reds have no chance to win. The Reds can't get another run. They can't get another hit. They can't get a walk. So what is the point.

Dusty won't be satisfied until he sends the entire rotation to the MRI machine.

[reds44]

Team is really playing well behind their rookie pitcher tonight.

[KYRedsFan]

Why Is He Still In??

[OnBaseMachine]

Lee singles in another run.

Unreal. The defense has cost Cueto three runs.

[Screwball]

Why Is He Still In??

For no good reason.

[flyer85]

another night where Dusty leaves in the starter too long ... a broken record.

[Cyclone792]

A great first week.

Bruce has to be sub .600 in the last month as well, yes?

Bruce since June 3rd is hitting .198/.256/.306/.562.

[OnBaseMachine]

Great job Johnny. Great start. Should have only been one run in seven innings if the Reds had a major league caliber defense behind you.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Never thought I'd ever say this.

Must be nice to be the Cubs.

[VR]

another night where Dusty leaves in the starter too long ... a broken record.

Nothing like year's past. He got 3 outs in the 7th, his defense made him get 4

[Cyclone792]

Never thought I'd ever say this.

Must be nice to be the Cubs.

I have a feeling they'll win a World Series again before the Reds win their next World Series. The Cubs might win multiple World Series titles before the Reds win another one.

Who knows, with the way this Reds franchise is going, the Reds may be the loveable losers in 2090.

[OnBaseMachine]

I love Dunn but it's time the Reds improve their outfield defense.

[flyer85]

Nothing like year's past. He got 3 outs in the 7th, his defense made him get 4
in previous years at least the manager had an excuse that he was scared to death to use the pen ... that is not the case nearly as much this season.

[lollipopcurve]

Dunn's days as an outfielder may very well be drawing to a close. I think he's in the AL after this year.

[Screwball]

Aramis doubles on the 10th pitch of the AB against Weathers.

Now they're just rubbing it in. With Zambrano on the mound, this game was over when Dunn misplayed the fly ball to left.

[CTA513]

Dunn's days as an outfielder may very well be drawing to a close. I think he's in the AL after this year.

He should take his buddy with him.

[OnBaseMachine]

Ramirez RBI double. Amazing. Cueto gets charged with 4 earned runs in 6.2 innings. Unreal. That is why it's so hard to judge a pitch based on ERA. It should have been one run in 7 innings but the defense gave away four runs.

And now ANOTHER error on EdE.

[CTA513]

Aramis doubles on the 10th pitch of the AB against Weathers.

Now they're just rubbing it in. With Zambrano on the mound, this game was over when Dunn misplayed the fly ball to left.

The game was over when it was 2-1.

[Kc61]

I've been a Baker supporter. But leaving Cueto out there for the seventh was poor managing. No reason for it.

Dusty probably figured that Cueto won't pitch again before the ASB so might as well give him the extra inning. Wrong. He should have been in the clubhouse after six great innings.

Now EE makes an error. Lots of terrible bad hops on the left side of that infield tonight. Ridiculous.

[VR]

Aramis doubles on the 10th pitch of the AB against Weathers.

Now they're just rubbing it in. With Zambrano on the mound, this game was over when Dunn misplayed the fly ball to left.

It's going for the jugular when they've got the opposition on the ropes. A boot to the neck if you will.
Something the Reds haven't seen since 99.

[Screwball]

The game was over when it was 2-1.

Then we agree. :)

[Spring~Fields]

Wheels are falling off,

[BuckeyeRedleg]

I have a feeling they'll win a World Series again before the Reds win their next World Series. The Cubs might win multiple World Series titles before the Reds win another one.

Who knows, with the way this Reds franchise is going, the Reds may be the loveable losers in 2090.

As I said in another thread.

They will be the Boston Red Sox of the NL.

Every other cheesy fan that is not a fan of the Red Sox will be wearing Cubs gear for the next 10 years.

Yippiee!

Being a Reds fan (post Big Red Machine era) is like consistently getting a big painful kick to the privates.

[Cyclone792]

This is just an awful baseball team, nothing more, nothing less. The Washington series was nothing more than an awful baseball team scraping by against a historically awful baseball team.

[OnBaseMachine]

Cueto would've had his ERA down in the 4.30's but it actually rose to 4.67 now thanks to the gift runs the defense allowed this inning. He went from one run in seven innings to four earned runs in 6.2 innings.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

This is just an awful baseball team, nothing more, nothing less. The Washington series was nothing more than an awful baseball team scraping by against a historically awful baseball team.

Agreed.

[Screwball]

Cueto would've had his ERA down in the 4.30's but it actually rose to 4.67 now thanks to the gift runs the defense allowed this inning. He went from one run in seven innings to four earned runs in 6.2 innings.

See, you can't look at ERA for a pitcher. Ya gotta look at his W-L record. :evil:

[edabbs44]

This is just an awful baseball team, nothing more, nothing less. The Washington series was nothing more than an awful baseball team scraping by against a historically awful baseball team.

I totally agree, and I have no idea why Wayne ever got as much love as he did on this board.

[Cyclone792]

I'm not that big on the importance of hitting coaches, though I do think it's absurd to employee a dumb hitting coach. Whether Jacoby qualifies, I'm not sure.

But there's a guy out in California giving private hitting lessons that the Reds should look up to bring in as a hitting coach next season. This guy happened to hit a lot of homers, take a lot of walks, and he also has a Walt Jocketty connection.

[Spring~Fields]

Bot 7th 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Cincinnati 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 2

Chi Cubs 0 1 0 0 0 1 3 5 9 1


Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- R. Johnson singled to center
- C. Zambrano sacrificed to pitcher, R. Johnson to second
- R. Theriot grounded out to pitcher, R. Johnson to third
- K. Fukudome doubled to deep left, R. Johnson scored
- D. Lee singled to left, K. Fukudome scored
- D. Weathers relieved J. Cueto
- A. Ramirez doubled to deep center, D. Lee scored
- G. Soto safe at first on third baseman E. Encarnacion's fielding error, A. Ramirez to third
- J. Edmonds walked, G. Soto to second
- M. DeRosa popped out to shallow center
- End of Inning (3 Runs, 4 Hits, 1 Error)



J. Cueto 6.2 8 5 4 2 6 1 4.67
D. Weathers 0.1 1 0 0 1 0 0 3.86

C. Zambrano 7.0 1 1 1 0 5 1 2.87


WP - J Cueto.

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 111-75; D Weathers 21-13; C Zambrano 91-59.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 9-5; D Weathers 0-1; C Zambrano 11-4.

Batters faced - J Cueto 30; D Weathers 4; C Zambrano 22.

[Screwball]

6 straight 1-2-3 innings for Zambrano tonight.

[edabbs44]

Big Z just plowing through this lineup.

I feel a massive roster gutting coming up.

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati 8th Inning Summary

- A. Dunn lined out to shallow right
- E. Encarnacion flied out to left
- J. Votto flied out to center
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

[VR]

I'm not that big on the importance of hitting coaches, though I do think it's absurd to employee a dumb hitting coach. Whether Jacoby qualifies, I'm not sure.

But there's a guy out in California giving private hitting lessons that the Reds should look up to bring in as a hitting coach next season. This guy happened to hit a lot of homers, take a lot of walks, and he also has a Walt Jocketty connection.

Barely .220 since June 1.

How does Jacoby have a job?

[VR]

Punched right in the face by the Cubs.

[Red in Chicago]

phillips got caught showboating on that play...dumb...dumb...dumb...

[OnBaseMachine]

Phillips commits his first error in 77 games or something like that.

[Kc61]

Dusty needs to discuss that play with Phillips.

[Red in Chicago]

i hope the offense shows up for me at tomorrow's game...i shelled out big bucks for the dugout seats...

[Spring~Fields]

Chi Cubs 8th Inning Summary
- R. Johnson grounded out to second
- C. Zambrano singled to center
- R. Theriot reached on fielder's choice,
C. Zambrano to second on second baseman B. Phillips' throwing error
- K. Fukudome flied out to left
- D. Lee lined out to left
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 1 Error)

Pitches-strikes - D Weathers 33-20;
Ground balls-fly balls - D Weathers 2-3;
Batters faced - D Weathers 9

[flyer85]

i hope the offense shows up for me at tomorrow's game...i shelled out big bucks for the dugout seats...better hope it's a different offense ... the Reds are in trouble

[Kc61]

better hope it's a different offense ... the Reds are in trouble


C'mon, the Reds will double their offensive output tomorrow. They'll get two baserunners instead of one. At least.

[BCubb2003]

i shelled out big bucks for the dugout seats...

Grab a bat, you're up.

[flyer85]

C'mon, the Reds will double their offensive output tomorrow. They'll get two baserunners instead of one. At least.don't sell 'em short , they've had 2 runners.

[Red in Chicago]

that was a nice play by lee at first...no way the reds get a lucky break like that...

[Screwball]

Not trying to make excuses for a bad Reds offense here, but they've also hit into some tough luck these first two games. When they do manage to hit the ball hard, it seems like it's invariably right at a glove (or a bag).

[Red in Chicago]

Grab a bat, you're up.

give me a bat and i'm going after dusty and anyone who has ever worn a cub uniform in the past;)

[REDREAD]

Yup, you got it.

Keppinger's posted a dominant line of .274/.333/.337/.670 since April 7th.

Which underscores that the Reds need an upgrade at SS. I really appreciate the lift Kepp gave us at SS last year and parts of this year, but I don't think he's the long term answer. With his lack of range, he needs to be hitting the ball well to justify playing at SS.

[flyer85]

Which underscores that the Reds need an upgrade at SS.Reds need upgrades eveywhere, on the field and off.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce singles with two outs.

[edabbs44]

Bruce singles with two outs.

http://mybrewers.mlblogs.com/my_brewers/images/rmonkey1.jpg

[VR]

Here come the Reds!

[Spring~Fields]

http://mybrewers.mlblogs.com/my_brewers/images/rmonkey1.jpg

:lol::lol:

[REDREAD]

I've been a Baker supporter. But leaving Cueto out there for the seventh was poor managing. No reason for it.

.

What was Cueto's final pitch count?

I can see leaving Ceuto in there after the Dunn goof. Cueto has trouble controlling his emotions when things go bad. It was a good test of character to leave Cueto out there to see if he could get past that goof. Sure, he got a few more runs tacked onto his ERA because of that, but hopefully after the game Pole or Dusty can sit down with him and use that as a case in point for why you have to keep your cool when the defense lets you down.

In other words, I see it as a learning opportunity for Ceuto. This is the year for him to learn to pitch through defensive lapses.

[OnBaseMachine]

Keppinger and Griffey walk. Bases loaded and two outs. Grand slam ties it here. This is where I wish Dunn was hitting 4th instead of Phillips.

[Red in Chicago]

grif looked terrible but worked out a walk...gotta give it up to him there

[Spring~Fields]

Bruce to second on wild pitch
J. Keppinger walked
K. Griffey Jr. walked, J. Bruce to third, J. Keppinger to second

Bases Loaded For Phillips

bullpen break by Lou

2 out bottom of the ninth

[Red in Chicago]

not that it would ever happen, but wouldn't it be awesome for phillips to tag one here and tie it up...pipe dream, i know

[CTA513]

That was really nice of Marmol to give Wood a chance to get a save.

[Kc61]

Keppinger and Griffey walk. Bases loaded and two outs. Grand slam ties it here. This is where I wish Dunn was hitting 4th instead of Phillips.


Griffey very fortunate to get that walk because on two consecutive pitches he appeared to go too far on check swings.

If Dunn was hitting cleanup Cubs would get him out with a tough lefty reliever. Now Phillips is cleanup, Cubs will probably get him out with a tough right reliever, Kerry Wood. Prove me wrong Phillips.

[Spring~Fields]

K. Wood relieved C. Marmol

[VR]

Phillips WILL NOT hit into a Phillips

[REDREAD]

:(

[Spring~Fields]

Top 9th 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Cincinnati 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 3
Chi Cubs 0 1 0 0 0 1 3 0 5 10 1


Game Scoring Summary
Top 2nd: Cincinnati
- A. Dunn homered to deep center

Bot 2nd: Chi Cubs
- M. DeRosa safe at first on shortstop J. Keppinger's fielding error, G. Soto scored

Bot 6th: Chi Cubs - A. Ramirez homered to deep center

Bot 7th: Chi Cubs
- K. Fukudome doubled to deep left, R. Johnson scored

- D. Lee singled to left, K. Fukudome scored

- A. Ramirez doubled to deep center, D. Lee scored

Batting
HR - A Dunn (23, 2nd inning off C Zambrano 0 on, 1 Out).

RBI - A Dunn (53).

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - B Phillips 2.

Team LOB - 3.

Base Running
CS - J Keppinger (1, 2nd base by C Zambrano/G Soto).

Fielding
E - J Keppinger (2, ground ball); E Encarnacion (13, ground ball); B Phillips (2, throw).

DP - 1 (J Keppinger-B Phillips-J Votto).

Batting
2B - G Soto (24, J Cueto); K Fukudome (17, J Cueto); A Ramirez (22, D Weathers).

HR - A Ramirez (16, 6th inning off J Cueto 0 on, 0 Out).

S - C Zambrano.

RBI - A Ramirez 2 (63), K Fukudome (36), D Lee (54).

2-out RBI - K Fukudome, D Lee, A Ramirez.

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - D Lee 1, M DeRosa 2, G Soto 1.

GIDP - A Ramirez.

Team LOB - 10.

Fielding
E - A Ramirez (8, ground ball).

DP - 1 (G Soto-R Theriot).



J. Cueto (L, 7-9) 6.2 8 5 4 2 6 1 4.67
D. Weathers 1.1 2 0 0 1 0 0 3.75

C. Zambrano (W, 10-3) 8.0 1 1 1 0 5 1 2.84
C. Marmol 0.2 1 0 0 2 0 0 3.51
K. Wood (S, 23) 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.89


WP - J Cueto, C Marmol.

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 111-75; D Weathers 33-20; C Zambrano 103-66; C Marmol 22-11; K Wood 5-3.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 9-5; D Weathers 2-3; C Zambrano 11-7; C Marmol 1-1; K Wood 0-1.

Batters faced - J Cueto 30; D Weathers 9; C Zambrano 25; C Marmol 5; K Wood 1.

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 261
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 206
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

[Matt700wlw]

Stinking up this road trip could be the best thing to happen so the Reds ownership doesn't get a false sense that being a buyer at the deadline is the right step to take.

A new identity is a much needed step...the construction of this team hasn't worked in 8 years.

[reds44]

Stinking up this road trip could be the best thing to happen so the Reds ownership doesn't get a false sense that being a buyer at the deadline is the right step to take.

A new identity is a much needed step...the construction of this team hasn't worked in 8 years.
Outside of Phillips, Votto, hopefully Bruce, and on offense (at times) Dunn, the Reds have crap for their starting 8. It's sad what happend to the Reds offense.

[cumberlandreds]

Where was Hairston? I know he may not have made the difference but he has been by far the Reds best lead off hitter.

[Spring~Fields]

Stinking up this road trip could be the best thing to happen so the Reds ownership doesn't get a false sense that being a buyer at the deadline is the right step to take.
A new identity is a much needed step...the construction of this team hasn't worked in 8 years.

All things are possible, I have been told.

[oneupper]

Just want to confirm that I was NOT at Wrigley today.

Ross hit those HRs all on his own.