7/27 Game Thread

[Screwball]

It's the 2nd inning. Let's get it started already.

[joshnky]

This game thread forum works great when none of the moderators will start one.

[NC Reds]

Dunn slaps one up the middle like Rod Carew. Nice.

[WVRedsFan]

This game thread forum works great when none of the moderators will start one.

:D

How m any new moderators did we get for the GT? Surely, one of them could start a game thread?

[Screwball]

Another lineout. The Reds' offense isn't good enough to overcome tough luck. We need those liners to drop.

[Falls City Beer]

Votto gets my vote for biggest disappointment of 08. Let's hope a trade is pending.

[KronoRed]

Votto gets my vote for biggest disappointment of 08. Let's hope a trade is pending.

If that means a Dunn to 1st move then sign me up.

[Screwball]

This game thread forum works great when none of the moderators will start one.

Now it's the 3rd inning. This is getting silly.

Why not let anybody start one once it gets close enough to game time?

[Kc61]

Votto gets my vote for biggest disappointment of 08. Let's hope a trade is pending.

You know very well that you can't talk that way about a home grown Reds prospect. That kind of talk is saved for veterans acquired from other teams.

[WVRedsFan]

They've been calling Fogg Houdini on the radio broadcast and he faces another test this inning. 38 pitchers through 2 innings. Wow.

[WVRedsFan]

Ross does it again. We need a defensive catcher who can actually catch the ball.

Sorry.

[Screwball]

Huge, huge passed ball right there by Ross. Instead of runners on 1st and 2nd, runners are on 2nd and 3rd with no out.

Well, make that 1 out as Fogg strikes out Holliday.

[joshnky]

You know very well that you can't talk that way about a home grown Reds prospect. That kind of talk is saved for veterans acquired from other teams.

I disagree on the Votto point but this is a very true statement.

[Falls City Beer]

You know very well that you can't talk that way about a home grown Reds prospect. That kind of talk is saved for veterans acquired from other teams.

I'm sure it's because Dusty's not batting him in the 2 hole.

[joshnky]

This Rockies team is impressive. While this may not be quality pitching, they've really pounded the ball this series. They certainly appear to be gearing up for a repeat of last season.

[corkedbat]

Job Description: Catcher - CATCH the friggin' ball!

[Screwball]

I'd probably vote for Harang as biggest disappointment. Although his forearm stiffness gives him a legitimate excuse.

[joshnky]

I'm sure it's because Dusty's not batting him in the 2 hole.

Not to mention that Bruce's fragile self confidence will be ruined by Patterson getting the start.

[corkedbat]

This team has been darn-near unwatchable this series. So why am I still watching?

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Keppinger has been pretty bad as well. At least since his return from the DL.

Corey Patterson with an error.

[WVRedsFan]

This team has been darn-near unwatchable this series. So why am I still watching?

I'm not. Radio for me. I simply can't watch things like Patterson and Keppinger just did. Drives me nuts. This inning we have a passed ball leading to a run and an errant throw resulting in an error--the second of the game and we're only in the 3rd inning.

Now Fogg walks his third man of the inning. And some say that this team is close to contending?

[edabbs44]

This team has been darn-near unwatchable this series. So why am I still watching?

Maybe this is the reason for the lack of respect for game threads lately.

[guttle11]

Fogg grunts like Sharapova.

[edabbs44]

I'm not. Radio for me. I simply can't watch things like Patterson and Keppinger just did. Drives me nuts. This inning we have a passed ball leading to a run and an errant throw resulting in an error--the second of the game and we're only in the 3rd inning.

Now Fogg walks his third man of the inning. And some say that this team is close to contending?

Who said this? The only people who thought that this team was close to contending were Bob and Wayne.

[corkedbat]

A Dick Pole sighting!

[WVRedsFan]

Who said this? The only people who thought that this team was close to contending were Bob and Wayne.


Bob, Wayne, and now Jockkety for three. Oh yeah, and the Polyanna bunch. :)

[Falls City Beer]

Keppinger has been pretty bad as well.

True. Though I've always known the guy was bench player in starter's clothes.

Nothing gets this board so duped as a good 300 ABs.

[Screwball]

This might be the worst series I've seen the Reds play all year. The Rockies are just absolutely beating our brains in. I can't wait to see them leave town.

[corkedbat]

Bob, Wayne, and now Jockkety for three. Oh yeah, and the Polyanna bunch. :)

Yeah, they're trying to keep butts in bleachers though

[edabbs44]

True. Though I've always known the guy was bench player in starter's clothes.

Nothing gets this board so duped as a good 300 ABs.

I fully believe that Wayne built a lot of his reputation on small sample sizes. The board lauded moves like D Ross and Kepp because they gave the team a very good few hundred ABs.

[reds44]

Votto gets my vote for biggest disappointment of 08. Let's hope a trade is pending.
What, the sub .800 OPS and bad defense from your 1st baseman isn't getting the job done?

[Falls City Beer]

What, the sub .800 OPS and bad defense from your 1st baseman isn't getting the job done?

It's like Casey never left town.

[mth123]

This might be the worst series I've seen the Reds play all year. The Rockies are just absolutely beating our brains in. I can't wait to see them leave town.

JUst in time. They can still sell off a few pieces. Maybe now they will.

[reds44]

If that means a Dunn to 1st move then sign me up.
Or move EE to 1st.

[Falls City Beer]

JUst in time. They can still sell off a few pieces. Maybe now they will.

I imagine you'll see a handful of deals go down tomorrow or Tuesday.

[CTA513]

Fogg is already over 70 pitches after 3 innings.

[red-in-la]

True. Though I've always known the guy was bench player in starter's clothes.

Nothing gets this board so duped as a good 300 ABs.

Well, FCB, if we get duped by 300 AB's, then we fall less often then the leadership of the franchise and the press paid to cover it.

[WVRedsFan]

So far, the Reds have scored 3 runs, had 11 hits and committed 4 errors in 21 innings of baseball against Colorado. Sad.

[edabbs44]

JUst in time. They can still sell off a few pieces. Maybe now they will.

Very true.

I really think a nice restructuring is in order. And I've been thinking that for a while, but this team sure seems like they'd like for it to be October already.

[reds44]

Corey Patterson with an error.
And Chris Dickerson is in AAA.

[reds44]

Very true.

I really think a nice restructuring is in order. And I've been thinking that for a while, but this team sure seems like they'd like for it to be October already.
Dunn and Griffey are going to be gone after this year either so, so the rebuilding job will have to come.

[mth123]

I imagine you'll see a handful of deals go down tomorrow or Tuesday.

I hope, but they won't be magic fixes. Maybe a few helper pieces for next year could be had though.

[edabbs44]

And Chris Dickerson is in AAA.

And the guy who was "unfairly" run out of town gave Patterson $3MM. And I really don't care who told him to get it done.

[NC Reds]

Corey Patterson-Baker's epic season continues.

[reds44]

And the guy who was "unfairly" run out of town gave Patterson $3MM. And I really don't care who told him to get it done.
No dude, that was all Dusty and BCast. Dusty is BCast's fault, too.

[Screwball]

It doesn't matter who's on the mound, Patterson just looks overmatched against MLB pitching.

[Falls City Beer]

I hope, but they won't be magic fixes. Maybe a few helper pieces for next year could be had though.

No, no magic fixes. But I have every reason to believe some deals will be made. The Reds have some moveable parts.

[reds44]

Oh, and Jeff Keppinger is awful as well. This team needs a new SS, CF, LF, C, and pitching going into next season.

[mth123]

No, no magic fixes. But I have every reason to believe some deals will be made. The Reds have some moveable parts.

Weathers, Affeldt, Fogg. That's probably all. I still say Affeldt for Reggie Willits makes sense for the Angels and the Reds.

[Falls City Beer]

Weathers, Affeldt, Fogg. That's probably all. I still say Affeldt for Reggie Willits makes sense for the Angels and the Reds.

I think Arroyo is very moveable.

[reds44]

Weathers, Affeldt, Fogg. That's probably all. I still say Affeldt for Reggie Willits makes sense for the Angels and the Reds.
I'd trade Griffey away for an F prospect just to give some younger guys the AB's down the stretch.

[edabbs44]

No dude, that was all Dusty and BCast. Dusty is BCast's fault, too.

Maybe the addition was Dusty's fault, but I doubt Dusty was telling him how much money to give him.

And WK freely said that Dusty was his own hire as he was walking out the door. He had no issues defending himself on moves like Cormier when he left, so I would have to say that I believe that Baker is on Wayne.

[edabbs44]

I think Arroyo is very moveable.

But you'll get zero in return because of the needless contract extension. Unless Bob wants to saddle up to the all you can eat salary bar once again.

[reds44]

Maybe the addition was Dusty's fault, but I doubt Dusty was telling him how much money to give him.

And WK freely said that Dusty was his own hire as he was walking out the door. He had no issues defending himself on moves like Cormier when he left, so I would have to say that I believe that Baker is on Wayne.
I was definatley being sarcastic.

[mth123]

I'd trade Griffey away for an F prospect just to give some younger guys the AB's down the stretch.

Me too, but it won't happen I'm afreaid. Griffey won't go.

[mth123]

I think Arroyo is very moveable.

I keep hearing this. Who pitches?

[Screwball]

5-0 Rockies. Yuck, now I see why the mods didn't start a game thread...

[Kc61]

And Chris Dickerson is in AAA.


Of course, another prospect to save the day. Dickerson. With a lifetime minor league OPS of .767 and BA of .263.

[edabbs44]

I was definatley being sarcastic.

I definitely had no idea.

:)

[CTA513]

Of course, another prospect to save the day. Dickerson. With a lifetime minor league OPS of .767 and BA of .263.

Save the day? No, but he can do the same thing Patterson is doing for less.

[Falls City Beer]

I keep hearing this. Who pitches?

Whoever the Reds get in return for him.

[reds44]

Of course, another prospect to save the day. Dickerson. With a lifetime minor league OPS of .767 and BA of .263.
Better than Corey Patterson. Why not give him a shot? If he's not good, move on. Nobody is saying Dickerson is anything or will be anything great. Just an upgrade from Corey Patterson.

[corkedbat]

I'm kind of exited to see if Fogg can give up 16 hits in fewer than 5 innings :evil:

[edabbs44]

I keep hearing this. Who pitches?

Does it really matter?

[Screwball]

Of course, another prospect to save the day. Dickerson. With a lifetime minor league OPS of .767 and BA of .263.

MLB pitching would eat him alive.

It's now 7-0 Rockies. This is getting (has gotten?) laughable.

[mth123]

Of course, another prospect to save the day. Dickerson. With a lifetime minor league OPS of .767 and BA of .263.

He won't save the day, but he could fill Patterson's spot and at worst get his audition out of the way. He's hot right now.

[WVRedsFan]

Oh well. Adkins homers to make it 7-0, and Josh Fogg is back to normal. Three game sweep for the Rocks. As Marty just said, "this is not a very good baseball team."

[Big Klu]

Votto gets my vote for biggest disappointment of 08. Let's hope a trade is pending.

Honorable mention to Jay Bruce. Outside of a scorching-hot two weeks to start his career, he has been very ordinary. I feel duped.

[corkedbat]

Coffey break! This should be fun!

[CTA513]

That was the 11th homer Fogg has given up in just under 50 innings this season.

[corkedbat]

I just lost the feed Either that or the cable system was watching and threw up

[WVRedsFan]

Honorable mention to Jay Bruce. Outside of a scorching-hot two weeks to start his career, he has been very ordinary. I feel duped.

I may have been the only one to believe he was not our savior. He will be good in time, but he has some learning to do just like Dickerson will. We need major league players at SS, C, and in CF. And we have a utilityman, pretenders, and today a washed up player in those positions. Recipe for failure.

[reds44]

I may have been the only one to believe he was not our savior. He will be good in time, but he has some learning to do just like Dickerson will. We need major league players at SS, C, and in CF. And we have a utilityman, pretenders, and today a washed up player in those positions. Recipe for failure.
I'm not ready to call Votto or especially Bruce busts yet.

[Kc61]

Better than Corey Patterson. Why not give him a shot? If he's not good, move on. Nobody is saying Dickerson is anything or will be anything great. Just an upgrade from Corey Patterson.

Actually we don't know that Dickerson would be an upgrade. If the Reds thought Dickerson could hit in the majors, I think he would have been up already.

But, again, as I've said dozen of times, Patterson hardly every plays. He is not the problem. He is a one-year backup player normally used for late inning defense and injury fill-in.

Patterson gets all the grief from the fans because they are unwilling to face the fact that their favorites aren't cutting the mustard. So, on RedsZone, guys like Patterson, and Juan Castro, and David Ross, and Bako, and now Keppinger get the grief. Even Hairston, who was just about the best player on the team while healthy, was the subject of constant cries for his departure because he supposedly would be lousy soon.

It's not the role players, folks, it's the regulars.

[Big Klu]

I may have been the only one to believe he was not our savior. He will be good in time, but he has some learning to do just like Dickerson will. We need major league players at SS, C, and in CF. And we have a utilityman, pretenders, and today a washed up player in those positions. Recipe for failure.

I know he's young, and I'm not saying that he won't be good, but I expected more out of a player who was named Minor League Player Of The Year at AA/AAA last year--especially with as much hype as we kept hearing.

[mth123]

Does it really matter?

Yeah. The more crud in the rotation, the more likely the guys we do value (like Volquez, Cueto and now even Harang with his arm troubles) have to be pushed more than necessary.

I think Arroyo gives the team a chance to win well over half the time when he goes out there. He may have a couple of real clunkers ruining his stats, but over 32 starts, he's a credible guy to win games. I don't think the Reds can find that for any less than what he is going to make. He's still the Reds 4th best option at worst and the gap to number 5 is cavernous.

If he could bring back a Cueto type return then I'd deal him. But if its just a salary dump for a Phil Dumatrait type, count me as against the idea. Despite the misinformation, his salary is not that out of line.

[Screwball]

It's not the role players, folks, it's the regulars.

Thank Goodness for Dunn and Edwin. This offense is Washington Nationals bad without them.

[Screwball]

This Rockies team looks mighty tough right now. You'd think they went to the World Series last year or something.

[edabbs44]

Yeah. The more crud in the rotation, the more likely the guys we do value (like Volquez, Cueto and now even Harang with his arm troubles) have to be pushed more than necessary.

I think Arroyo gives the team a chance to win well over half the time when he goes out there. He may have a couple of real clunkers ruining his stats, but over 32 starts, he's a credible guy to win games. I don't think the Reds can find that for any less than what he is going to make. He's still the Reds 4th best option at worst and the gap to number 5 is cavernous.

If he could bring back a Cueto type return then I'd deal him. But if its just a salary dump for a Phil Dumatrait type, count me as against the idea. Despite the misinformation, his salary is not that out of line.

This team is just pissing away money on guys like Arroyo if they aren't going to really try and win. That's why the extension was just bad business. That's why the Cordero signing was even worse business.

Tear it down and start to build for 2010ish. Let the youngsters have this year and next to prove that they deserve to be here whenever the target date is reached. Time for a new plan.

[Big Klu]

This Rockies team looks mighty tough right now. You'd think they went to the World Series last year or something.

I was just thinking the same thing--they look like the defending National League Champions.

[mbgrayson]

To me, this series removes all doubt as to whether this team should be buyers, sellers, or stand pat. (Not that I had much anyway)

I say get rid of all the upcoming free agents that won't bring a comp pick if offered arbitration. Get somehing for them, if possible.

[Matt700wlw]

....Let's run Bailey out of town...surely the youngster can't do better than Fogg

[Screwball]

Coffey gives up a HR to Ianetta. Eric Milton thinks Todd Coffey gives up too many home runs.

8-0 Rockies with 2 out in the 5th.

[reds44]

....Let's run Bailey out of town...surely the youngster can't do better than Fogg
They both are bad.

[Screwball]

They both are bad.

One has a realistic chance of getting much, much better though.

[reds44]

One has a realistic chance of getting much, much better though.
Homer's stuff is only marginally better than Fogg's. He just has nothing in that arm anymore.

[corkedbat]

I've keep asking myself, "How in the world will the Reds ever replace Dunn's production if they let him walk?" And this lirrle voice in the back of my mindkeeps whispering, BarryBonds is one of 'Dusty's Boys'!" Make it stop!

[WVRedsFan]

Coffey continues to be Coffey.

Let's not trade away the core of this team and stand pat. Capital idea.

[Screwball]

Homer's stuff is only marginally better than Fogg's. He just has nothing in that arm anymore.

I saw him hitting 93, 94 with his fastball last night and decent breaking stuff. Fogg wishes he had stuff like that.

[Kc61]

This team is just pissing away money on guys like Arroyo if they aren't going to really try and win. That's why the extension was just bad business. That's why the Cordero signing was even worse business.

Tear it down and start to build for 2010ish. Let the youngsters have this year and next to prove that they deserve to be here whenever the target date is reached. Time for a new plan.

I don't think a youth movement will happen, or should happen.

The teams that win with youth have a wealth of top draft choices and other A prospects in their systems. Like Tampa Bay; the Brewers; systems like that.

Right now the Reds don't have that kind of a system. They have some good prospects, a good system, but I don't see the makings of a championship team. I'm sure others disagree, but that's my sense of things.

Nor do I think the Reds have the trade bait to get the kind of top young prospects needed to be a championship team. Maybe if Harang was healthy he could fetch some in a trade. Possibly Brandon Phillips. I don't see who else. (Cueto, Volquez and Bruce might, but there would be no point to trading them, they are the players of tomorrow for the Reds.)

So building with youth will require many years of waiting and I don't think it will happen. I have no patience for building with minor league prospects, after all this losing, and I doubt Bob C does either.

I think at the deadline and this off-season, Walt needs to go out and get a number of excellent, solid major league players. Upgrade with solid, sound major league, relatively young veterans. Trade some of the quantity of minor leaguers who project as decent players but not much more.

Get better major league players in here. That should be the plan.

[mth123]

This team is just pissing away money on guys like Arroyo if they aren't going to really try and win. That's why the extension was just bad business. That's why the Cordero signing was even worse business.

Tear it down and start to build for 2010ish. Let the youngsters have this year and next to prove that they deserve to be here whenever the target date is reached. Time for a new plan.

If I thought Dealing Arroyo and Dunn would allow them to be real contenders in 2010 I'd be with you. The Reds spent the 90s with no power and trying to find a guy like Dunn and this decade praying for a starter as good as Arroyo even on a mediocre day. They need to add to them, not just create more holes by dealing them for little or nothing. I don't see the return being much more than that at this point. Maybe I'll be surprised and they can get two or three good young players for them, but I don't think they will. Dunn is a rental and Arroyo is a competent starter who makes market price. Neither brings much back in trade these days.

[WVRedsFan]

I think at the deadline and this off-season, Walt needs to go out and get a number of excellent, solid major league players. Upgrade with solid, sound major league, relatively young players. Trade some of the quantity of minor leaguers who project as decent players but not much more.

Get better major league players in here. That should be the plan.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I've been advocating this for some time. The Reds lead good, solid major league players on this team. I think Walt knows that too and that's why he is asking so much for Dunn and others. He wants real players and not the mirage we have now.

[Screwball]

Pitcher throws it to the backstop, but Votto stays at first for no good reason.

I'll say it again: this is the worst I've seen the Reds play all year. Just poor, poor baseball this weekend.

[WVRedsFan]

Votto with another rookie mistake. Stayed at first on a wild pitch. This club is a mess.

[VR]

Pitcher throws it to the backstop, but Votto stays at first for no good reason.

Because he's a Red.

[Screwball]

Bruce with a single to right. Votto probably would've been able to score had he advanced to 2nd on the wild pitch.

Patterson with his obligatory out. 2 down with runners still on 1st and 2nd.

[Tony Cloninger]

If this was 1968....Patterson would be considered an average hitter.

[WVRedsFan]

Votto not advancing on the WP probably cost us a run there with Bruce's hit.

As Corey hacks into a popup.

[Screwball]

Keppinger grounds out to 2nd. 2 hits and a WP in the inning, but the Reds manage not to score, or even get a runner to 3rd base for that matter.

[Matt700wlw]

They both are bad.

I'l take my chances with the youngster, who isn't a finished product yet

[Big Klu]

I think I would give Keppinger a couple of days off, and play Jolbert Cabrera at SS in Houston.

[Matt700wlw]

I think I would give Keppinger a couple of days off, and play Jolbert Cabrera at SS in Houston.

I'm cool with that...Kepp has earned his opportunity to be a starter........he's in a bad funk

[SirFelixCat]

To me, this series removes all doubt as to whether this team should be buyers, sellers, or stand pat. (Not that I had much anyway)

I say get rid of all the upcoming free agents that won't bring a comp pick if offered arbitration. Get somehing for them, if possible.

yup.

[edabbs44]

I think at the deadline and this off-season, Walt needs to go out and get a number of excellent, solid major league players. Upgrade with solid, sound major league, relatively young veterans. Trade some of the quantity of minor leaguers who project as decent players but not much more.

Get better major league players in here. That should be the plan.

There are two ways of obtaining "excellent, solid major league players". One is to drop tens, if not hundreds, of millions into the FA market. The other is to trade prospects from the minor league system. Either way would hurt the farm system and the wallet.

This team isn't in that position right now. They need to get some near ready minor leaguers into the system to supplement the younger players. They need to reallocate the $10MM or so they drop into the elderly FA budget into the draft. They need to flip Bud Selig the bird, go over slot and draft the BPA...EVERY ROUND. They need to set a target for a few years out and build for that date.

If there was another way to obtain the amount of "excellent, solid major league players" this team needs then I'd be all ears. But they need more than just a couple of those guys.

[Screwball]

BTW, for those disappointed in Bruce this season, he's got an .833 OPS against RHP. The problem has been that southpaws have shut him down, to the tune of a .529 (.529!) OPS. Seeing as how he just got his driver's license about a week ago, I think overall he's done alright for himself and will be just fine in the future.

[VR]

If this was 1968....Patterson would be considered an average hitter.

On April 10, CP was batting .323.

Since then, over 170+ ab's, he is hitting .165. You just can't make that stuff up folks. Paul Bako is right there with him as well.

[Big Klu]

I'm cool with that...Kepp has earned his opportunity to be a starter........he's in a bad funk

I really like Kepp, but I think that he has been overexposed, and I also think that he has never quite fully recovered from the patella injury.

[Screwball]

Majewski works a scoreless 6th. Still 8-0 Rockies.

[Big Klu]

BTW, for those disappointed in Bruce this season, he's got an .833 OPS against RHP. The problem has been that southpaws have shut him down, to the tune of a .529 (.529!) OPS. Seeing as how he just got his driver's license about a week ago, I think overall he's done alright for himself and will be just fine in the future.

Sounds like Paul O'Neill, the Cincinnati years.

(And Bruce just got his driver's license?! :confused:)

[VR]

Maj very Bob Gibson-esque in July....1.12 earnie.

There's someone for WJ to get polished up and move.

[Tony Cloninger]

Maybe i should say that Corey would still be a bad hitter even in 1968...or 1908.

So Bruce is a platoon player for now? Or you just let him struggle and learn vs lefties.....I vote for the 2nd. He will never learn unless he is in there.

[Matt700wlw]

BTW, for those disappointed in Bruce this season, he's got an .833 OPS against RHP. The problem has been that southpaws have shut him down, to the tune of a .529 (.529!) OPS. Seeing as how he just got his driver's license about a week ago, I think overall he's done alright for himself and will be just fine in the future.

...sure, he's got holes in his game, but Adam Dunn's pretty popular....and his game is swiss cheese - what he does well is tasty...what he doesn't can be brutal

[Screwball]

(And Bruce just got his driver's license?! :confused:)

Just a little exaggeration to show how young he is. :)

[Big Klu]

Just a little exaggeration to show how young he is. :)

OK. (duh!) :)

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn showing me some batting average ability lately...

[Screwball]

Reds had runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out. EE with a shallow pop-up on the first pitch and Votto flies out to CF. Reds still shut out through 6.

If the Reds weren't already down 8-0 I'd probably be yelling at the TV right now.

[WVRedsFan]

First or early pitch hitting. This team just has no clue how to work the pitcher.

[Matt700wlw]

a fight would be cool...

[Big Klu]

Majewski showing that he has his teammates' backs.

[VR]

Maj showing something there. That is fantastic.

[Screwball]

Phillips got HBP last inning, and so on his first pitch here in the 7th, Majewski plunks Tulowitzki. Good to see a little backbone from a Reds pitcher.

Ump issues warnings to both benches.

[CTA513]

Majewski showing that he has his teammates' backs.

One of the few times a Reds pitcher hit someone after a Reds hitter was hit.

[Tony Cloninger]

Have not seen that in a while....good for Maj. I still remember that Sullivan plunking of the speedy COL OF that led to a big fight. He was an all speed no OBP type leadoff hitter from HOU.


Wish Walt could pull a Landestoy for Franco type deal. Anyone want to trade for Valentin?

[Big Klu]

Am I the only one who is dumbfounded at the thought of Bowie Kuhn in the Hall Of Fame?

[BCubb2003]

One of the few times a Reds pitcher hit someone after a Reds hitter was hit.

Was he trying to?

[Matt700wlw]

A reds pitcher with some hangers .....nice to see

[Big Klu]

Have not seen that in a while....good for Maj. I still remember that Sullivan plunking of the speedy COL OF that led to a big fight. He was an all speed no OBP type leadoff hitter from HOU.


Wish Walt could pull a Landestoy for Franco type deal. Anyone want to trade for Valentin?

I think the outfielder was Brian L. Hunter. He later became a teammate of Sullivan's with the Reds in 2000.

[CTA513]

Was he trying to?

I would think so, it was the first pitch against the first batter right after Phillips was hit the inning before.

[guttle11]

Homer's stuff is only marginally better than Fogg's. He just has nothing in that arm anymore.

He just had his 14th major league start. No one has the slightest clue as to where he will end up.

[VR]

Majewski.....dominating this month. There, I said it. :thumbup:

[Screwball]

Was he trying to?

Looked like he was. Given that Phillips was hit in the previous inning and it was Maj's first pitch of the inning, I'd say he was trying to hit Tulo.

[Big Klu]

Was he trying to?

Oh, I think so. He hit him with the first pitch in the thigh, just above the knee. And he didn't complain or say a word when the unpire warned him.

[Tony Cloninger]

Yes Brian...don't call me M. Hunter. The speedy one...not the big one...who also played fo the Reds and was trade for Steve Pegues. Another OF that Bowden got in the minors.


Wish Wayne could handle minor leauge trades....he was good at that.

[Screwball]

Rockies with a rare defensive miscue. Ross reaches first on the error by 3B Ian Stewart.

[Screwball]

Valentin strikes out trying to hit a 9-run Home Run. 1 out.

[Big Klu]

Yes Brian...don't call me M. Hunter. The speedy one...not the big one...who also played fo the Reds and was trade for Steve Pegues. Another OF that Bowden got in the minors.


Wish Wayne could handle minor leauge trades....he was good at that.

Yes, Brian R. Hunter, the power-hitting 1B/OF, was a member of the Reds in 1994 and '95. He was an example of that rare breed of baseball player--a position player who bats right-handed and throws left-handed. Other examples include former Mets and Giants OF Mark Carreon, former Reds and current Marlins OF Cody Ross, and of course, future Hall-Of-Fame OF Rickey Henderson.

[MrCinatit]

He just had his 14th major league start. No one has the slightest clue as to where he will end up.

Exactly. I think too many times, we expect a guy to come up and tear the league apart from the gate - and continue doing so for years to come.
Take a look at New York and the numbers Hughes and Kennedy are putting up. Not exactly earth-shattering...and they are a bit older than Homer.
Take a look at Koufax's numbers the first few year. Or Bob Gibson. Greg Maddox. Tom Glavine. Dazzy Vance. Not everyone will start out of the gate like a Whitey Ford, Liriano or Wayne Simpson.

[Tony Cloninger]

9 run homers are very rare.....i can only ponder the musings of Mike De La Hoz in these bad times.

[KittyDuran]

Votto with another rookie mistake. Stayed at first on a wild pitch. This club is a mess. I'm here at the game ... and I think he would've been out knowing Joey's speed. The ball looked like it bounced back to the catcher. IMHO

[Screwball]

Patterson not satisfied with his usual out, so this time he makes two.

Double play ends the 7th. Still 47-0 Rockies.

[Big Klu]

Majewski.....dominating this month. There, I said it. :thumbup:

I like what I have seen from Majewski lately. Hopefully he can continue to pitch like this. One thing is certain--his teammates are aware of what he did last inning, and I'm sure they appreciate it.

[Tony Cloninger]

Yes Brian R......he would look good off the bench...even now.

I always wonder what players like him....guys who barely played 5 to 10 full seasons are doing....I mean...you just played major leauge ball....and you have possibly no degree. Did he save his money? Invest well?

[flyer85]

Patterson is consistent ... generates outs at a terrifying pace.

[guttle11]

Patterson not satisfied with his usual out, so this time he makes two.


Now that's the passion for the game that Dunn obviously lacks. Never settle.

[Ron Madden]

I'm here at the game ... and I think he would've been out knowing Joey's speed. The ball looked like it bounced back to the catcher. IMHO

Thanks Kitty, Marty and Jeff roasted Votto for not going to second.

[Screwball]

Thanks Kitty, Marty and Jeff roasted Votto for not going to second.

Thom and Welsh were kinda dumbfounded as well.

[WVRedsFan]

I'm here at the game ... and I think he would've been out knowing Joey's speed. The ball looked like it bounced back to the catcher. IMHO

Blackberry or MotoQ?

[mth123]

I like what I have seen from Majewski lately. Hopefully he can continue to pitch like this. One thing is certain--his teammates are aware of what he did last inning, and I'm sure they appreciate it.

Agree. I know many are going to think I'm crazy (most probably already do) but you can tell something is different by the look in his eyes. When he came over after the trade. He had that "deer in the headlights look" every time he pitched as if he knew something would go bad. Now he looks like a guy determined to get guys out. He still has his flaws, but I really think the pressure of the situation wore on him.

[Razor Shines]

Patterson is consistent ... generates outs at a terrifying pace.

Well he hasn't had a lot of PAs lately so naturally he needs to make up for lost time.

[SirFelixCat]

So, try to flip Maj or use him as part of a pretty solid BP next season?

[Matt700wlw]

I really like Kepp, but I think that he has been overexposed, and I also think that he has never quite fully recovered from the patella injury.

I think the injury is the biggest factor

[KittyDuran]

Blackberry or MotoQ?
neither...just a raz3

[Matt700wlw]

Sweet....11-0

[CTA513]

Sweet....11-0

Let one of the bench players pitch the 9th.

:fineprint

[Matt700wlw]

Let one of the bench players pitch the 9th.

:fineprint

Cordero may need work...

[VR]

I think the injury is the biggest factor

He was a 28 yr. old with no position, 400 ML ab's, and a sub .800 OPS in the minor leagues. I think Jeff Keppinger is guilty of being Jeff Keppinger. The injury didn't help, but thinking he was a major league/ top of the lineup shortstop was destined for disappointment.

[Big Klu]

Let one of the bench players pitch the 9th.

:fineprint

The only one left is Paul Bako.

[Big Klu]

Looks like Andy Phillips shaded Barmes a little bit.

[Ron Madden]

He was a 28 yr. old with no position, 400 ML ab's, and a sub .800 OPS in the minor leagues. I think Jeff Keppinger is guilty of being Jeff Keppinger. The injury didn't help, but thinking he was a major league/ top of the lineup shortstop was destined for disappointment.


I like Kepp but he's a supersub.

[Matt700wlw]

Cordero is set to pitch the 9th....

[Big Klu]

I like Kepp but he's a supersub.

I agree. I like him a lot, but he is a utility infielder who was thrust into a full-time job because of injuries, and whose game has suffered through overuse and an injury of his own.

[Matt700wlw]

He was a 28 yr. old with no position, 400 ML ab's, and a sub .800 OPS in the minor leagues. I think Jeff Keppinger is guilty of being Jeff Keppinger. The injury didn't help, but thinking he was a major league/ top of the lineup shortstop was destined for disappointment.

I never said he was top of the line....but he's serviceable, and he's a right handed bat with some punch.....and some good punch when he's on his game

[Screwball]

I never said he was top of the line....but he's serviceable, and he's a right handed bat with some punch.....and some good punch when he's on his game

Especially against LHPers. It's not a terribly large sample size (~150 ABs combined), but last year he had a .986 OPS against southpaws, and this year it's at .975.

[OnBaseMachine]

On top of this series, the Reds get to face Reds killer Roy Oswalt tomorrow!

[OnBaseMachine]

BTW this series should prove the Reds need to sell...

[Ron Madden]

On top of this series, the Reds get to face Reds killer Roy Oswalt tomorrow!

I thought Roy Oswalt was on the DL.

[membengal]

Back off tomorrow, in time for the Reds.

[OnBaseMachine]

The Reds scored a total of three runs this series against Aaron Cook, Jorge de la Rosa, and Ubaldo Jimenez. Sheesh.

[Ron Madden]

Back off tomorrow, in time for the Reds.

Daaamit MON !

[mth123]

Just something to note. Today may very well have been the last home game in a Reds uniform for anyone moved this week. Did we see the last of Adam Dunn at home in GABP? I hope not.

[Matt700wlw]

Drinking helps :)

[Matt700wlw]

Just something to note. Today may very well have been the last home game in a Reds uniform for anyone moved this week. Did we see the last of Adam Dunn at home in GABP? I hope not.

I think Dunn makes it to Houston...

[WVRedsFan]

Just something to note. Today may very well have been the last home game in a Reds uniform for anyone moved this week. Did we see the last of Adam Dunn at home in GABP? I hope not. I just get the feeling that Dunn is not going anywhere--not for what we can get, anyway. Teams aren't willing to give up much for Dunn.

In fact, I don't expect there to be any news or moves before the deadline. The work will be done this winter.

[mth123]

I just get the feeling that Dunn is not going anywhere--not for what we can get, anyway. Teams aren't willing to give up much for Dunn.

In fact, I don't expect there to be any news or moves before the deadline. The work will be done this winter.

Agree for the most part, maybe a minor move or two involving Weathers or Affeldt. Who knows though.

[KittyDuran]

Thanks Kitty, Marty and Jeff roasted Votto for not going to second.Let me expand on what I saw from my vantage point up in the last row... Votto could've went - and maybe he should - but considering the Reds luck in this series he would've been out by a lot - again IMHO. Either way, he wouldv'e be roasted in the media and here on RZ because of what happened in the inning.

[KittyDuran]

Let me expand on what I saw from my vantage point up in the last row... Votto could've went - and maybe he should - but considering the Reds luck in this series he would've been out by a lot - again IMHO. Either way, he wouldv'e be roasted in the media and here on RZ because of what happened in the inning.OK... just reviewed the TV broadcast and I did not see the where they showed the ball caroomed back to the catcher. All they showed was the wild pitch, the catcher going out of the frame - then to Votto - then hearing Thom wondering why Votto didn't go - and NO replay... hmmm. I'll ask my boss, who has season tickets, what he saw. My first impression on the play was that I was glad that Votto didn't go because it seems that the ball hit off the backstop and got to the catcher quick and that he wouldv'e been in a good position to throw and get Votto out at second.