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Red in Chicago
08-03-2008, 11:07 AM
Cueto vs Balester

Red in Chicago
08-03-2008, 01:32 PM
Matt go ahead and post lineup if u want. I'm not home and can't handle from this iPhone.

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 01:32 PM
Jeff Keppinger ss

Joey Votto 1b

jay Bruce rf

Brandon Phillips 2b

Adam Dunn lf

Edwin Encarnacion 3

Corey Patterson cf

David Ross c

Jonny Cueto p

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 01:40 PM
1-2-3 first for the Reds...go figure

Reds 0...Reds east 0 after a half

mbgrayson
08-03-2008, 01:44 PM
Cueto Ks the first two....

NJReds
08-03-2008, 01:44 PM
1-2-3 first for the Reds...go figure

Reds 0...Reds east 0 after a half

They must be tired from their 'players only' meeting.

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 01:45 PM
Milledge HRs...

CTA513
08-03-2008, 01:45 PM
Milledge HRs...

Its getting to be a normal thing for the Reds to be down early.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 01:46 PM
Scrubs kill the Reds.

Cueto fell behind 2-1 and tried to throw a fastball right down the middle.

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 01:46 PM
Its getting to be a normal thing for the Reds to be down early.

Must be a comfort zone thing.....


Ok, maybe not.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 01:47 PM
Could be a long day for Johnny because the umpire isn't giving him anything on the inside corner.

And where the heck is Keppinger on that? A routine groundball up the middle turns into a single. Good grief. I can't watch much more of this defense.

nate
08-03-2008, 01:47 PM
Chat is open!

mbgrayson
08-03-2008, 01:48 PM
Could be a long day for Johnny because the umpire isn't giving him anything on the inside corner.

And where the heck is Keppinger on that? A routine groundball up the middle turns into a single. Good grief. I can't watch much more of this defense.

On the replay, it showed that Kepp was coming, but Phillips was in front of him, picked the ball up, and decided not to make a throw since he was going the wrong way.

Announcers said Kepp was playing way over in the 3rd/SS hole, so had a long way to go to get up the middle.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 01:49 PM
Cueto hasn't been as sharp since the 120 pitch game against the Padres.

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 01:50 PM
Here's a random cartoon

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/uc/20080803/sga080803.gif

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 01:50 PM
That was nice, Dunner....

CTA513
08-03-2008, 01:50 PM
The crappy Reds continue.

mbgrayson
08-03-2008, 01:51 PM
I think I have had enough already. Going to do some yard work....

MrCinatit
08-03-2008, 01:51 PM
Seriously - that play by Dunn was comical. That was a 1962 Mets play.

jojo
08-03-2008, 01:51 PM
Defense?

Ltlabner
08-03-2008, 01:51 PM
Oh dear lord.

The wheels have not only fallen off but they've been stolen, hocked for crack money and tossed in the city dump.

flyer85
08-03-2008, 01:52 PM
must be an allergy causing Reds pitchers to leave pitches up and out over the plate ... pitch after pitch right down the middle

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 01:52 PM
This is what happens when you have an awful defense. The inning should have been over at 1-0 and Cueto would have 17 pitches. Instead it's 4-0 and he's at 30 pitches.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 01:53 PM
What did Dunn do? I missed it.

Falls City Beer
08-03-2008, 01:53 PM
must be an allergy causing Reds pitchers to leave pitches up and out over the plate ... pitch after pitch right down the middle

More hanging sliders than White Castle.

MrCinatit
08-03-2008, 01:54 PM
When do all of the positive vibes from the pre-game players-only meeting kick in?

BCubb2003
08-03-2008, 01:54 PM
must be an allergy causing Reds pitchers to leave pitches up and out over the plate ... pitch after pitch right down the middle

Isn't there a theory that if you don't have command, you should throw it down the middle because that's the one place it isn't going to go?

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 01:54 PM
This team is just embarrassing to watch. Cueto gets killed by the pathetic defense more than anyone. Yeah the homerun was all him but everything after that could have been avoided with a major league defense behind him.

flyer85
08-03-2008, 01:54 PM
it's about awful pitching ... Kearns hit was a little lucky(perfectly placed) but that shouldn't cause the pitcher to lose focus and throw belt high pitches down the middle.

The pitching is beyond bad

MrCinatit
08-03-2008, 01:54 PM
What did Dunn do? I missed it.

A single was hit in front of him and it bounced over his head (would have been easily played, though) for a three-baser.

Tony Cloninger
08-03-2008, 01:55 PM
What a gutless team. Griffey says thanks for trading me.

Please take the sofa...put it on the mound and burn it.

Trade everyone and anyone....Go Frank Lane/Whitey Herzog on it.

flyer85
08-03-2008, 01:55 PM
What did Dunn do? I missed it.overcharged a top spin line drive and the ball took a high hop that went over his glove

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 01:55 PM
Walt Jocketty has himself a CRAP (can't use the other word) load of work to do...


But gotta keep the .500 goal in mind...that's important.

jojo
08-03-2008, 01:56 PM
It's a little insulting to hear Marty hawking tickets after that half inning.....

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 01:56 PM
So how in the world are all four of those runs earned?

Dunn's defense has been around average all season but he seems to have a his bad days when Cueto pitches. I remember him misplaying a flyball in Chicago that cost Cueto three runs and now this.

Falls City Beer
08-03-2008, 01:56 PM
Ring Ring. Hello, this is a very frustrated and unfocussed Johnny Cueto; yes, I'm calling in "ineffective" today. You might want to get that raggedy bullpen up and tossing again. They need to set a new record for innings pitched against the Nationals.

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 01:57 PM
It's a little insulting to hear Marty hawking tickets after that half inning.....

I could see him saying "I'm not reading that one" and throwing the card out of the window :D

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 01:58 PM
Good thing Walt didn't make any other trades. Gotta focus on .500 ya know.

Falls City Beer
08-03-2008, 01:59 PM
Good thing Walt didn't make any other trades. Gotta focus on .500 ya know.

I agree with the first statement. But the second: I seriously doubt that matters to Walt.

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 02:00 PM
Ah...2 on...1 out, a good opportunity here.


...And in steps Corey Patterson. Kinda gives you that tingly feeling, doesn't it?

puca
08-03-2008, 02:02 PM
Good thing Walt didn't make any other trades. Gotta focus on .500 ya know.

All that trading Fogg/Weathers/Affeldt would have accomplished is that more pitchers that are not ready for majors would be taking the mound for the Reds.

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 02:02 PM
Yeah. :lol:

Picked off Phillips at second.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 02:02 PM
Phillips gets picked off. Unreal. Holy cow.

Big Klu
08-03-2008, 02:02 PM
It's a little insulting to hear Marty hawking tickets after that half inning.....

I was thinking about going to a couple of games this week, but I might have to reconsider.

jojo
08-03-2008, 02:02 PM
Should that ever happen to a middle infielder (B Phillips getting picked off of second)?

CTA513
08-03-2008, 02:02 PM
lol, nice job giving away an out.

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 02:03 PM
This is like a bad car accident....most days (not today) I have a choice to not look or listen....but I still do...

MrCinatit
08-03-2008, 02:03 PM
Phillips kills the rally by getting picked off.
If you are going to be the dumbest team in baseball, might as well try your best to live up to it.

jojo
08-03-2008, 02:05 PM
Something truly great and inspiring could still happen this game but my gosh, I wouldn't blame anyone for not sticking around to see it. This weekend is shaping up to be one of the lowest points for the Reds since the fateful west coast swing in '06.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 02:07 PM
I hope Dusty doesn't leave Cueto in to throw another 100+ pitches today. His stuff doesn't seem as sharp since the 120 pitch game two starts ago.

Big Klu
08-03-2008, 02:08 PM
I got a kick out of George Grande saying "Hooters Dreamgirls" in the last promo! :D

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 02:09 PM
That was a quick inning

edabbs44
08-03-2008, 02:09 PM
I hope Dusty doesn't leave Cueto in to throw another 100+ pitches today. His stuff doesn't seem as sharp since the 120 pitch game two starts ago.

Or it could just be that he's had 2 less than stellar starts in a row. It's amazing how every bad start correlates to a game where the pitcher threw x pitches. I guess they'd be first in ERA if only the manager never let the starters go over 100 pitches.

No offense to you, OBM, but this is a common gripe.

Falls City Beer
08-03-2008, 02:09 PM
I got a kick out of George Grande saying "Hooters Dreamgirls" in the last promo! :D

:beerme:

Okily-dokily, fans!

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 02:10 PM
A six pitch second inning for Cueto.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 02:12 PM
Or it could just be that he's had 2 less than stellar starts in a row. It's amazing how every bad start correlates to a game where the pitcher threw x pitches. I guess they'd be first in ERA if only the manager never let the starters go over 100 pitches.

No offense to you, OBM, but this is a common gripe.

Nobody is saying they'd be first in ERA, all I'm saying is his stuff hasn't been quite as good since he threw 120 pitches in six innings. This season is lost, I'd like to see Dusty start watching the pitch counts of Cueto and Volquez a little more.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 02:14 PM
Reds go in order quickly.

Jeff Keppinger is starting to prove he is a bench player. His range at SS is among the worst I've ever seen and his bat hasn't been the same since his knee injury.

edabbs44
08-03-2008, 02:17 PM
Nobody is saying they'd be first in ERA, all I'm saying is his stuff hasn't been quite as good since he threw 120 pitches in six innings. This season is lost, I'd like to see Dusty start watching the pitch counts of Cueto and Volquez a little more.

That I agree with, but it's too often that we are quick to place the blame on anything but the pitcher. Cueto has had 7 innings since the 120 pitch outing. Small sample size indeed.

WVRedsFan
08-03-2008, 02:24 PM
It's a beautiful day and I'm going to do something I rarely do. I'm outa here. I'm sick of this team, the way they play and everything about them.

I'm going to wash the car, have a couple of beers and forget I was ever a fan.

I've had it.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 02:24 PM
Another scoreless inning for Cueto on 16 pitches. He hasn't pitched as bad as his line indicates.

CrackerJack
08-03-2008, 02:25 PM
Funny, if not somewhat meaningless stat from Lance's page; The Reds haven't scored a run in the 1st inning since July 12th, when Dunn hit a 3 run HR.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 02:25 PM
Votto and Bruce single to begin the 4th. Bruce has a seven game hitting streak and has hit safely in 19 if his last 21.

Big Klu
08-03-2008, 02:27 PM
ALFAC Trivia Question: Since 1950, who are the two Reds rookie pitchers with 155+ K's?

My guess: Gary Nolan and Wayne Simpson

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 02:28 PM
Scott Olsen has a no-hitter through five against the Rockies.

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 02:28 PM
Please remove Phillips from the 4 hole...

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 02:28 PM
Phillips GIDP. Continuing to bat him 4th is truly amazing.

Ltlabner
08-03-2008, 02:28 PM
Brandon doing what he can to personally sink the team's chances of wining today.

CTA513
08-03-2008, 02:29 PM
Phillips was out by a mile on the double play.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 02:30 PM
Dunn walks for the 79th time.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 02:31 PM
EdE flies out. Inning over.

BCubb2003
08-03-2008, 02:33 PM
The walk is a team-dependent stat.

Big Klu
08-03-2008, 02:36 PM
ALFAC Trivia Question: Since 1950, who are the two Reds rookie pitchers with 155+ K's?

My guess: Gary Nolan and Wayne Simpson

Correct answer: Gary Nolan and Tom Browning

Degenerate39
08-03-2008, 02:38 PM
Phillips GIDP. Continuing to bat him 4th is truly amazing.

They'll have to trade him to keep Dusty from putting him in the 4th spot.

True story.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 02:38 PM
Another 1-2-3 inning on 13 pitches for Cueto.

4-0 Nats after four.

KronoRed
08-03-2008, 02:45 PM
Oh come on guys, this is the Nats! any team getting swept by them should be flogged

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 02:45 PM
...publically.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 02:47 PM
The Reds have scored a total of eight runs in 23 innings this series against a terrible pitching staff.

MrCinatit
08-03-2008, 02:54 PM
George talking about how Bowden likes to surround himself with players with tools.
There are many jokes I could make with that, but I will simply say that it is rather appropriate, since Jim is a tool himself.

Unfortunately, that collection of tools is making our team look like a bunch of scrubs.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 02:57 PM
Cueto is through five on 77 pitches. He threw 30 of those in the first inning.

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 02:58 PM
Votto.

:jump:

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 02:58 PM
Votto homers! 4-1.

Ltlabner
08-03-2008, 02:59 PM
Better give this guy less at bats.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 03:05 PM
Bruce grounded out.

Phillips walked.

Dunn infield single.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 03:10 PM
What an awful strike three call on EdE.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 03:11 PM
Patterson grounds out as the Reds strand two more.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 03:19 PM
A nine pitch sixth inning for Cueto.

6 IP, 7 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 4 K...86 pitches

This could be a 1-1 ballgame right now.

Kc61
08-03-2008, 03:20 PM
What an awful strike three call on EdE.


Still, he took a close pitch with two strikes. EE's current slump is extremely disappointing. It would be good if he could sustain some offensive success once in awhile.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 03:21 PM
Cueto's day is done after Andy Phillips pinch hits for him. That was a pretty good start for Johnny considering he didn't have great stuff today and his defense was beyond pathetic for him.

Meanwhile the Nats are playing great defense.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 03:33 PM
Lincoln throws a scoreless 7th.

4-1 Nats after 7.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 03:37 PM
Votto singles to begin the 8th. He's 3-for-4 with a homerun.

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 03:38 PM
So far, Votto is liking the 2 hole.

Tomorrow he will hit 7th.

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 03:58 PM
Patterson!

:jump:

He'll be batting leadoff tomorrow.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 03:58 PM
Patterson hits a one out solo HR in the 9th to cut it to 4-2.

Matt700wlw
08-03-2008, 04:01 PM
Swept by the Nationals....maybe they aren't the worst team in baseball...

CTA513
08-03-2008, 04:03 PM
Swept by the Nationals....maybe they aren't the worst team in baseball...

They still are

NC Reds
08-03-2008, 04:04 PM
Oh boy. We can look forward to more Corey Patterson now. He's in a groove. :rolleyes:

HokieRed
08-03-2008, 04:17 PM
The new post-Griffey era leader: it's Corey Patterson! Seriously, we'll lose at least 90 and right now we are worse than the Nationals.

WVRedsFan
08-03-2008, 04:30 PM
The Reds scored 10 runs and accumulated 19 hits in three games against the majors' worst team. On the other side, the worst team scored 19 on the Reds and 32 hits. The Reds also committed 5 errors in the three games. Mercy.

Yep, this team is very close to contention.

Ltlabner
08-03-2008, 05:50 PM
Doc Rogers on Extra Innings claiming Patterson "didn't get a chance" and is what this team needs for a spark.

His proof...2 hits in 2 days, a HR today and a stolen base.

I don't listen to his show, and only had the radio on for a second. I just hope he's joking around and not serrious. Otherwise...here's your sign.

WVRedsFan
08-03-2008, 06:19 PM
I have about half-listened, but I can't tell if he's serious or not. He's so low key and puts on that positive hat (and then agrees with the negative callers). He's a real mess IMHO.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2008, 06:29 PM
The Reds are playing like crap right now, but man I'm still excited about going to Friday-Saturday-Sunday games against the Astros next weekend. It looks like I'll get to see both Cueto and Volquez pitch. I'm pretty pumped about that. No matter how bad they are playing there is nothing better than watching a Reds baseball game live, especially a night game.

Strikes Out Looking
08-03-2008, 09:29 PM
I was at today's game. I was downright disgusted by what I saw. Here are my thoughts:

Johnny Cueto has amazing stuff. However, he (like most of the Reds pitchers) have problems in putting batters away when they have 2 strikes on them.

The First inning defense: Adam Dunn and Brandon Phillips put the Reds in a huge hole. Dunn's misplay of the single was something straight out of little league. Later in the game, he fell making a throw into second base. Maybe it's a small sample, but his defense was plain scary out there--I think his defense takes five million off his asking price.

Phillips ducked on a bloop single he was going out to catch in the first inning and put his glove over his head. I've never seen a major leaguer do that, and it wasn't pretty.

The offense: It stunk. Bruce and Votto hit the ball hard--(I missed CPatt's homer, I was in line with my kids so they could run the bases after the game)--but that was about it. Phillip's getting himself off second base was terrible--it basically killed a rally.

I've thought all year that the Reds players do very little advance thinking about what they are going to do when they come to the plate. It's as they have no idea who the opposing pitcher is, what he is going to throw or what he threw the guy in front of them. Ballaster threw a lot of pitches today, but every time he was on the ropes, the Reds just hacked away.

Additionally, the 7-8-9 batters (Patterson, Ross, Cueto) were just giving outs away. Once the Nats got past EE, it was pretty clear sailing until Kepp came up again. Further, Jocketty has done Baker no favors with the Reds bench. Carrying 3 catchers when you have Patterson as your only extra OF (I assume Hairston couldn't play today) meant Baker was very limited in what he could do.

It was painful to be at Nats stadium today as a Reds fan. Hopefully, by opening day 2009 these glaring problems will be fixed.