Reds vs Brewers 8/6/08

[Red in Chicago]

have at it folks

[Degenerate39]

I like it so much better when Thom is doing the FSN broadcast instead of George.

[nate]

Oh, wow, I forgot!

[Degenerate39]

96 MPH back to back. Has to be the gun doesn't it?

[Matt700wlw]

4 Seamer according to Brantley....

[flyer85]

just doesn't have an out pitch

[Degenerate39]

Bailey can get to 0-2 fast but he can't finish off the batter.

Then he K's Braun.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice pitch....sends Braun to the bench

[NC Reds]

Phillips saves a run with a great play.

[Degenerate39]

Great play by BP

[LoganBuck]

Bailey's delivery has more balance today. He isn't falling off the mound.

Nice to see 96mph again.

[CTA513]

No first inning runs given up today?

:dancingco

[Tornon]

Who does Prince think BP is? Manny Parra?

[cumberlandreds]

Here's the Reds lineup since no one had posted it yet.

Cincinnati
J. Cabrera SS 0-0
J. Votto 1B 0-0
J. Bruce RF 0-0
B. Phillips 2B 0-0
A. Dunn LF 0-0
E. Encarnacion 3B 0-0
C. Patterson CF 0-0
D. Ross C 0-0
H. Bailey P 0-0

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce has a nine game hitting streak entering this game and has hit safely in 21 of 23 games.

[Degenerate39]

Who does Prince think BP is? Manny Parra?

Hopefully BP gets a bunch of doubles, triples, or homers so he can stay away from the Prince.

[NC Reds]

Cabrera gets a single.

[NC Reds]

Dusty's attempt to run the team into an out fails. Votto gets the runner to third.

[Degenerate39]

Got em on, Got over, can they get em in?

[OnBaseMachine]

1-0 Reds on a Bruce RBI groundout.

[Matt700wlw]

Run generation...

:shocked:

[NC Reds]

Triple for BP

[OnBaseMachine]

Phillips triples to deep CF.

[NC Reds]

Dunn looks pull-happy right now. :(

[Big Klu]

With the shift that the Brewers had on Dunn, would a steal attempt of home been feasible? Brandon probably could have gotten a 30-40 ft. lead.

[MasonBuzz3]

if patterson can somehow go 2-4 today, his BA will be all the way up to..... .200

[Matt700wlw]

if patterson can somehow go 2-4 today, his BA will be all the way up to..... .200

If he goes 2-4.....Dusty may kiss him...for a lengthy period of time

[CTA513]

With the shift that the Brewers had on Dunn, would a steal attempt of home been feasible? Brandon probably could have gotten a 30-40 ft. lead.

I would rather see Dunn try to hit the ball the other way with only 1 man playing the left side of the infield.

[MasonBuzz3]

If he goes 2-4.....Dusty may kiss him...for a lengthy period of time

I have a feeling that wouldn't be the first time...the man kiss, not the 2 for 4

[LoganBuck]

I know that what they are saying is important but can we watch the game, and not this guy talking.

[Degenerate39]

That didn't last long

[Matt700wlw]

Lovely D out in LF...again


A short lived lead as always from the Reds...

[Matt700wlw]

Now Bailey can't throw strikes.

Maybe he is better suited as a one inning reliever...

[flyer85]

Now Bailey can't throw strikes.

Maybe he is better suited as a one inning reliever...that's where they need to try him, it is hard to see him developing the quality of off-speed offering to succeed as a starter in the time frame in which he has to.

[CTA513]

The Reds should replace the Griffey home run counter with a Bailey hits given up counter.

[LoganBuck]

Bailey's delivery still looks good, I would like his off speed stuff to be lower, and tighter. Weeks just reached out and slapped it the other way.

[OnBaseMachine]

I'd love to know why Dusty and Walt continue to send Homer out there to get his head beat in.

[LoganBuck]

That was the most animated that I have seen Dick Pole during a trip to the mound. Maybe they are finding out that Bailey needs a bit more whip.

[cumberlandreds]

I'd love to know why Dusty and Walt continue to send Homer out there to get his head beat in.

I have wondered that too. He needs to go to the pen and just sit there for the rest of the season. He obviously can't get it done at the MLB level at the moment and I really don't think sending him back to AAA would do any good either.

[nate]

For all who wish to share in the daily disappointment, chat is open.

[OnBaseMachine]

A first pitch out for EdE to begin the second.

[CTA513]

1 pitch 1 out for Suppan

[OnBaseMachine]

Two pitch out for Patterson.

3 pitches, two outs.

[MasonBuzz3]

The Reds should replace the Griffey home run counter with a Bailey hits given up counter.

race to 700? who wins

[CTA513]

Two pitch out for Patterson.

3 pitches, two outs.

Back to the hacking

[LoganBuck]

I'd love to know why Dusty and Walt continue to send Homer out there to get his head beat in.

He looks better today. The Reds are going to have to let him take his licks. Whether it is at this level or AAA. Bailey needs to refine his stuff, and to my way of thinking that will only come with reps. We have to accpet that this may be ugly.

Speaking of ugly Corey Patterson is as useful as the Bumpkus's dogs.

[Matt700wlw]

Two pitch out for Patterson.



One more than usual.

Patterson showing patience...

[LoganBuck]

Arroyo and Bailey are both better hitters than Patterson.

[Chip R]

We all know Patterson stinks. Move on.

[CTA513]

Suppan at 25 pitches after 2 innings.

[red-in-la]

Bailey's delivery still looks good, I would like his off speed stuff to be lower, and tighter. Weeks just reached out and slapped it the other way.

Looked like Dick Pole just told Homer the same thing.....but ,maybe a bit less cordial.

The last six outs contain what is wrong with the Reds.......

Well, now make it seven outs.

1. The Brewers were absolutly giving Adam Dunn an RBI.....just giving it to him. But Adam wanted the HR chance more.......just disgusting.

2. The Reds organizational coaching is just awful. Bailey has been pitching for 4 years now? And he cannot dust off Hall with the chips on the line? So Pole goes out and yells at him after the fact?

3. Corey Patterson.......what a waste of a ML baseball uniform.

4. ...

[LoganBuck]

We all know Patterson stinks. Move on.

Sorry, sometimes I just can't help myself.

[Matt700wlw]

THE BOSS on the tube with Thom and Chris...

If he says anything notworthy, let me know :D

[LoganBuck]

Wicked curve to start out on Braun

[cumberlandreds]

THE BOSS on the tube with Thom and Chris...

If he says anything notworthy, let me know :D

Bruce Springsteen? :)

[flyer85]

I'd love to know why Dusty and Walt continue to send Homer out there to get his head beat in.when there really is no reason to expect a better result.

[OnBaseMachine]

Homer K's Braun for the second time.

[LoganBuck]

Braun Ks again

[CTA513]

He can get Braun out, but he can't get Weeks out?

[LoganBuck]

BobC still talking community relations.

[Matt700wlw]

Bailey hitting 95 again....

[Matt700wlw]

That inning looked pretty good!

[OnBaseMachine]

Wicked curve to start out on Braun

Where the heck has that pitch been? He's been throwing a fastball and a flat slider since his return. I don't understand why he hasn't been throwing the curveball more.

Nice inning by Homer. Braun K's, Fielder grounded out, and Hart K's.

[LoganBuck]

That inning looked pretty good!

Small steps, small steps.

[dougdirt]

Where the heck has that pitch been? He's been throwing a fastball and a flat slider since his return. I don't understand why he hasn't been throwing the curveball more.

Nice inning by Homer. Braun K's, Fielder grounded out, and Hart K's.

Brantley said earlier in the broadcast the Reds told him to cut back on using it.

[Chip R]

Brantley said earlier in the broadcast the Reds told him to cut back on using it.


Brantley's been saying all year his curve won't get called for a strike.

[HokieRed]

That inning looked awfully good on the Gameday. 95's and 96's, 87 mile an hour slider, and a couple of high 70's curveballs, one for a strike, one good enough to get a swing out of Fielder on the next pitch. That's why Walt and Dusty keep running him out there: he's got big-time stuff.

[LoganBuck]

Where the heck has that pitch been? He's been throwing a fastball and a flat slider since his return. I don't understand why he hasn't been throwing the curveball more.

Nice inning by Homer. Braun K's, Fielder grounded out, and Hart K's.

I think the reason we don't see it more is because it is more of a 12-6 curve. If he hangs that it is in the river. It needs to be restricted to occasional use, but it needs to be shown more often.

[oneupper]

What a nice piece of hitting from Votto. He lets a few low ones by (are you watching BP?) and lines a single into right.

[LoganBuck]

Bruce nearly spun out of his shoes on that swing.

[Matt700wlw]

BRUCE ALMIGHTY

:jump:


He's a special special player.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce homers, tie game!

10 game hitting streak!

[dougdirt]

Touch em all Jay Bruce.

[LoganBuck]

Home Run

Jay Bruce

:beerme:

[CTA513]

Alert the presses, the Reds actually scored some runs today.

[cumberlandreds]

Bruce is on a roll!!!!!!

[Matt700wlw]

He's a big reason why I still watch this disaster :)

[HotCorner]

I love Jay Bruce.

[LoganBuck]

That was a bomb too, he hit that one more up than out, and it still went out to dead center.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce has four homeruns in his last six games, a 10-game hitting streak and has hit safely in 22 of 24 games.

[HotCorner]

Am I'm really lovin' Votto in the 2 hole!

[LoganBuck]

Adam Dunn seems to be closing his shoulder more before each pitch.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn singles.

[CrackerJack]

Heard the fireworks outside and figured it "must be Jay Bruce."

[LoganBuck]

Dunn and Fielder standing next to each other is pretty funny looking.

[OnBaseMachine]

Is Billy Hatcher not the nicest guy in the world?

[LoganBuck]

I don't need to see Hatcher on the slip and slide!

[Matt700wlw]

If you can break a bat on your back, you're good by me :thumbup:

[OnBaseMachine]

Wow. Where was that 3-2 pitch to Hall?

[OnBaseMachine]

If you can break a bat on your back, you're good by me :thumbup:

That was Glenn Braggs.

[dougdirt]

Wow. Where was that 3-2 pitch to Hall?

2 inches outside apparently. That was a strike earlier in the game.

[Matt700wlw]

The Almighty One!!!

[LoganBuck]

Bruce Almighty!!!!!

[dougdirt]

I love Jay Bruce.

[jesusfan]

WOW! What a play!

[Matt700wlw]

Bruce to Votto...something I can get used to...:)

[OnBaseMachine]

Jay Bruce with an excellent play! Great running catch in foul territory and guns Hall out at first base. Bruce is going to win a gold glove someday.

[jesusfan]

sorry, I love Griff... But... Griff doesn't make that play... Bruce dominating...

[OnBaseMachine]

And now Bruce catches another ball in the same place as the one before.

[dougdirt]

Homer needed that inning. Gets him back to a reasonable 17 p/ip on the game.

[cumberlandreds]

Sounds like Bruce is showing why he is going to be star very soon for the Reds.

[LoganBuck]

sorry, I love Griff... But... Griff doesn't make that play... Bruce dominating...

You gotta believe the pitchers are liking Patterson-Bruce more than Bruce-Griffey. Patterson made a tremendous catch last night as well.

[OnBaseMachine]

The Rangers can have Josh Hamilton. I'll take Edinson Volquez and Jay Bruce.

[Matt700wlw]

Corey Baker records another out...

[jesusfan]

Patterson with a weak out again.. who would of thunk it?

[jesusfan]

Ross with a deep fly out to right...

[HokieRed]

Most encouraging long-term development I've seen for weeks. Homer is learning.

[LoganBuck]

Bailey is very patient at the plate. He got caught looking on that one though.

[HotCorner]

Corey Baker records another out...

Death, taxes, ...

[OnBaseMachine]

Suppan lines out to begin the 5th.

Homer allows a 0-2 single to Weeks, who is 3-for-3.

[jesusfan]

Weeks to third... 2 down on the dribbler to Ross...

[jesusfan]

Can't play with fire too long... you will surely get burned...

[CTA513]

4-3 Brewers on a 2 out RBI double by Braun

[OnBaseMachine]

Braun with a RBI double on a 1-2 fastball. Unbelievable. He made him look foolish on a previous slider so he comes back with a fastball. Goodness. I wonder who calls the pitches?

[HokieRed]

Who called that fastball at 1-2 on Braun?

[Falls City Beer]

Who called that fastball at 1-2 on Braun?

Ross or Bailey.

[Hoosier Red]

Gameday made it look like a pretty good pitch, outside part of the plate, and Braun goes the other way with it.
Sometimes the hitters actually do a good thing or two.

[OnBaseMachine]

It must be nice to have a smart, great defensive catcher like Yadier Molina or Joe Mauer or Russell Martin.

[Matt700wlw]

Ross or Bailey.

Bob Boone :D

[jesusfan]

Jolbert with a leadoff double....

[OnBaseMachine]

Cabrera doubles to begin the 5th.

[jesusfan]

Votto grounds to short... Cabrera stays at 2nd... C'mon Bruce!

[CTA513]

Votto grounds to short... Cabrera stays at 2nd... C'mon Bruce!

on a 3-0 pitch

[reds44]

It must be nice to have a smart, great defensive catcher like Yadier Molina or Joe Mauer or Russell Martin.
It'd be nice to have catchers that hit like them too.

[OnBaseMachine]

Votto swings away on 3-0 and grounds weakly to SS as Cabrera has to hold. Man oh man. I hate letting a hitter swing away on 3-0 unless it's a pitch he can drive, and that wasn't the pitch.

[HotCorner]

Why is Votto swinging 3-0?

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce first pitch ground out to Weeks.

[jesusfan]

Bruce grounds to 2nd... Cabrera to third with 2 away... it's up to BP...

[jesusfan]

in just two pitches the inning turns from something good to a potential quick easy inning... just amazing..

[OnBaseMachine]

Why is Votto swinging 3-0?

Especially on a pitchers pitch. Just a bad, bad atbat. That turned a potential big inning into a dud inning.

[OnBaseMachine]

And now Brandon Phillips gets a 3-1 hanging slider and pops out. They failed to score. Only the Reds.

[Kc61]

Especially on a pitchers pitch. Just a bad, bad atbat. That turned a potential big inning into a dud inning.

The execution wasn't good, but the idea was fine. Votto usually has good plate discipline, not bad to give him the green light there. Pitcher made a good pitch, Votto should have taken.

[gm]

Brantley's been saying all year his curve won't get called for a strike.

You've got to have a home plate ump who can think 3rd dimmensionally

[OnBaseMachine]

This game has been a pretty good example of why the Reds are ten games below .500. The pitchers get ahead in the count and throw hittable fastballs down the middle instead of making the hitter chase, and the offense turns a potential big inning into nothing. Now all we need is a couple errors. Frustrating.

[remdog]

OK. The Reds are doing something good with the RRBL and I'm impressed with the program.

However, enough is enough. Looking at what promises to be a constant three hour appeal for money, missing plays because they are too busy trying to get people to send money, the constant babbling by Thom Brennam (who I'm sorry ever came to Cincinnati) and I changed over to the Milwaukee broadcast. Much better.

And, BTW, despite some poor pitches in tight situations, this is the best I've seen Bailey this year. His stuff is much better, he's got some pop on his fastball and his location, generally speaking, is pretty good.

Rem

[OnBaseMachine]

Homer allows an infield single to SS, K's Hall, and now an infield single by Cameron. Double steal puts runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out for Kendall. Why is Homer still in and why are they pitching to Kendall with Suppan on deck?

[CTA513]

That should be enough to lock up a win for the Brewers.

Also another poor outing for Bailey in which he gave up 6 runs.

[jesusfan]

shew...

[OnBaseMachine]

Ah yes, there's the bad defense. A groundball back to Homer and he deflects it into RF for a 2-run single. 6-3.

[NJReds]

3 groundballs to the infield result in two runs? Yikes.

[dougdirt]

That should be enough to lock up a win for the Brewers.

Also another poor outing for Bailey in which he gave up 6 runs.

And yet I think it was a good outing. The results don't look so hot, but he pitched a whole lot better than his line suggest he did.

[mbgrayson]

OK. The Reds are doing something good with the RRBL and I'm impressed with the program.

However, enough is enough. Looking at what promises to be a constant three hour appeal for money, missing plays because they are too busy trying to get people to send money, the constant babbling by Thom Brennam (who I'm sorry ever came to Cincinnati) and I changed over to the Milwaukee broadcast. Much better.

And, BTW, despite some poor pitches in tight situations, this is the best I've seen Bailey this year. His stuff is much better, he's got some pop on his fastball and his location, generally speaking, is pretty good.

Rem

If you have DirecTV, you can switch from the Reds feed with all the Reds Community Fund stuff, to the Brewers feed. Here it is on channel 722. Much more baseball....

[HokieRed]

Agree totally with Doug. It was a pretty good outing for Homer, a real move in the right direction. And at 1-2 to Braun, I don't care how good a fastball he threw or how erratic his curveball is. He should have thrown one off-speed pitch or a fastball way out of the zone or way up. No way you let Braun win the game there without at least one pitch he can't possibly hit.

[OnBaseMachine]

Weeks is 4-for-4.

[Chip R]

You've got to have a home plate ump who can think 3rd dimmensionally


It'd be nice to get your curves called for strikes but the point of the curve is to get the batter to swing and miss it.

[nate]

He had some movement on his fastball. Dare I say, "LIQUID LIFE?"

[remdog]

If you have DirecTV, you can switch from the Reds feed with all the Reds Community Fund stuff, to the Brewers feed. Here it is on channel 722. Much more baseball....


Extra Innings package has both Cincinnati and Milwaukee broadcasts. I switched to Milwaukee and I'm actually getting someone that's talking about the game.

Rem

[CTA513]

1-2-3 inning for Suppan

Teams are going to love to face the Reds with the way they hit and pitch.

[BRM]

EE and Patterson both with two pitch outs. No patience.

[mbgrayson]

I think the shift that gets played on Dunn (and Griffey) has really killed their batting averages. That last ground out by Adam would have been a ground single to right without the shift.

I would love to see how many extra outs per season that shift costs us. I would bet that if you add that in with Dunn's average, that you would get a similiar average to his first few years ...

Of course, MLB teams make adjustments. Until Dunn (or Griffey) can regularly bunt the ball down the third base line and 'defeat' the shiift, it will keep getting used against them.

[Cyclone792]

EE and Patterson both with two pitch outs. No patience.

Patterson's 0-3 is bringing him back to his mean. We always knew his recent surge to a .569 OPS wasn't going to last.

[VR]

I'm giving up to go see the Portland Beavers play the Round Rock Express (I thought it was an Arena Football team)
Hoping to take in some solid baseball....it's been awhile.

[OnBaseMachine]

There it is, more bad defense. A routine groundball hit to our DH playing SS who of course can't make the play.

[Matt700wlw]

It's the Jay Bruce show!

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce makes a catch in RF and guns Fielder out at the plate. Bruce is a special talent.

[mbgrayson]

Bbbbbrrruuuuccceee!

Rrroooosssss!

[remdog]

Overall, that was a positive outing for Homer. The question is: can he build on it?

As for Dunn defeating the shift, I have mixed feelings about what he's doing. If there is no one on base and he gets a pitch that he thinks he can drive by pulling the ball I don't have a problem with that, even if it turns into a ground ball to the 2nd baseman in short right. However, when he has a situation like he had early in the game today with a man on 3rd and two out, he's really got to try to hit that ball to the left side. Today, anything to the left side except right at the only fielder on that side of the field scores a run. That's something Adam has to get done.

Rem

[mbgrayson]

Ross took a heck of a shot there.....Fielder did the Pete Rose thing at home there....

[flyer85]

I think the shift that gets played on Dunn (and Griffey) has really killed their batting averages. no evidence of that ... in Dunn's case his has been unlucky more than anything. His BABIP is way down this year(.249) from last year(.309) and teams have been playing the shift for a number of years. If Dunn had more of an average BABIP(.290) he would be hitting ~265-270 and no one would be complaining.

[OnBaseMachine]

I think the most impressive part of that play was David Ross actually caught the ball for once. ;)

[Chip R]

I think the most impressive part of that play was David Ross actually caught the ball for once. ;)

Indeed.

[dougdirt]

I think the most impressive part of that play was David Ross actually caught the ball for once. ;)

It didn't bounce, so he was fine.

[Matt700wlw]

Bruce. Yeah.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce doubles off the left field wall against the tough lefty Shouse.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce is having an outstanding day. He's 2-for-4 at the plate with his 11th homerun, his 11th double, and has driven in all three runs. In the field he has made three very good plays and has gunned down two runners.

[Doc. Scott]

Bruce is having an outstanding day. He's 2-for-4 at the plate with his 11th homerun, his 11th double, and has driven in all three runs. In the field he has made three very good plays and has gunned down two runners.

And too bad the rest of the team, save maybe Jolbert Cabrera, hasn't done crap.

[OnBaseMachine]

Phillips walks. First and second and only one out for Dunn. A homerun here ties the game.

[OnBaseMachine]

Shouse gets away with a 0-2 belt high fastball and gets Dunn to pop out. Two outs with a pitching change coming up.

[OnBaseMachine]

Gagne comes on to face Edwin.

He takes a belt high changeup called strike one. Fouls off a pitch up around neck height and then takes a fastball on the corner for strike three.

6-3 Brewers after 8.

[OnBaseMachine]

The Reds are playing some of the worst baseball they've played in a long time and yet I still can't wait to get to Cincy this weekend for three games against the Astros. Am I dedicated or what?:)

[dougdirt]

The Reds are playing some of the worst baseball they've played in a long time and yet I still can't wait to get to Cincy this weekend for three games against the Astros. Am I dedicated or what?:)

Some may call you crazy. I won't do that though.

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds are playing some of the worst baseball they've played in a long time and yet I still can't wait to get to Cincy this weekend for three games against the Astros. Am I dedicated or what?:)

That's one way to put it....;)

[OnBaseMachine]

Some may call you crazy. I won't do that though.

:D

I just love baseball. I'd still watch them if they went 0-162.

I'm looking forward to watching Bruce play for the first and getting to see Cueto and Volquez pitch again. I've seen both of them pitch once this season - Cueto on April 19th against the Brewers when he allowed 2 ER in 7 innings and received a no decision and I saw Volquez on May 18th against the Indians when he allowed two runs in six innings for a win. Dunn always homers when I'm in attendance so look for him to have a big weekend, and Votto has hit two homeruns in the four games I've been to this season, though he only started two of those games.

[OnBaseMachine]

Another weak groundout by Patterson to begin the 9th. I think I need to go lay down...I had a tooth pulled today and it's still bleeding pretty good and making me light headed. I had a couple teeth pulled back in June and it bled like crazy. I went to bed that night around 1:00 AM and woke up three hours later in a pool of blood and I actually passed for like 10 minutes while walking to the bathroom. Getting teeth pulled is not fun.

[Cyclone792]

Another weak groundout by Patterson to begin the 9th. I think I need to go lay down...I had a tooth pulled today and it's still bleeding pretty good and making me light headed. I had a couple teeth pulled back in June and it bled like crazy. I went to bed that night around 1:00 AM and woke up three hours later in a pool of blood and I actually passed for like 10 minutes while walking to the bathroom. Getting teeth pulled is not fun.

Hope your teeth feel better.

I will say though that there's a part of me that would rather have teeth pulled than have to watch Corey Patterson hit.

[OnBaseMachine]

Hope your teeth feel better.

I will say though that there's a part of me that would rather have teeth pulled than have to watch Corey Patterson hit.

Thanks.

I was going to say the same thing about Patterson. :D

Reds lose 6-3.

[BRM]

Another weak groundout by Patterson to begin the 9th.

How many pitches did he see?

[OnBaseMachine]

How many pitches did he see?

3

[CTA513]

The Cubs went down 4-1 in the 3rd and answered back with a 8 runs later in the 3rd to give the Cubs a 9-4 lead.

[remdog]

...I had a tooth pulled today and it's still bleeding pretty good and making me light headed. I had a couple teeth pulled back in June and it bled like crazy. I went to bed that night around 1:00 AM and woke up three hours later in a pool of blood and I actually passed for like 10 minutes while walking to the bathroom. Getting teeth pulled is not fun.

Not to make light of having teeth pulled but watching the Reds right now is pretty miserable too.

Perhaps your doctor can give you something that can be used to minimize the pain in either case. ;)

Rem

[BRM]

3

Not bad for him.