Reds vs. The Bird: 8/15/08--Hairston Returns

[reds44]

Lineup vs. Cardinals

Chris Dickerson lf
Jerry Hairston ss
Jay Bruce rf
Brandon Phillips 2b
Javy Valentin 1b
Edwin Encarnacion 3b
Corey Patterson cf
Ryan Hanigan c
Bronson Arroyo p
v. rh Brad Thompson

[jesusfan]

Lopez is batting 6th and LaRue 7th in the Cardinals line-up.. seems a bit wierd...

[Degenerate39]

I would've put Keppinger at SS, Hairston in LF, and Dickerson in CF. But Corey Patterson isn't my son in law...

[OnBaseMachine]

Is anyone watching the "game show" on the Reds Live pregame show? There was a college kid on there just now and they gave him some of the easiest questions possible and he still missed them. The first question was who played second base for the Reds during the Big Red Machine World Series years. The four answers were Barry Larkin, Pokey Reese, Joe Morgan, and I believe the fourth was Tommy Helms. Dude said Tommy Helms but Jim Day corrected him and gave him another chance. Next question was who once hit 52 homeruns in a season for the Reds. The answers were George Foster, Barry Larkin and two others. Another easy question that any Reds fan should know...but not this guy. His answer was Larkin.

Sheesh.

[NC Reds]

Is Patterson an everyday player now? Sniffing the Mendoza line is sufficient for playing time I guess.

He should have been cut months ago. If you leave a bad player on the roster that Dusty likes, he will play him.

[Matt700wlw]

'Fan' doesn't always mean 'smart'...ask the Cubs

[OnBaseMachine]

The camera flashed into the Reds dugout and there's Bruce and Eric Davis side by side talking. Like Larkin, I'd like to see ED back in the Reds organization.

[Red in Chicago]

game hasn't even started and george has already referenced "prince" albert:rolleyes:

[OnBaseMachine]

Do you guys have Prince Albert in a can? Well you better let him out!

[reds44]

Thank God Cueto isn't pitching this series.

[reds44]

lol @ Bruce

[OnBaseMachine]

My guess is Ryan Ludwick will never have another season like this in his dreams.

[OnBaseMachine]

2-0 on an Ankiel 2-run homerun. Probably should have walked him with the right hander on deck.

It must be nice to use HGH and get away with it like Ankiel did.

[Matt700wlw]

Who's pitching? (You'd think I would know that)

[OnBaseMachine]

Dickerson homers!

2-1 game.

First major league homer.

[jesusfan]

WOW... Dickerson Homers... He's playing some ball!

[OnBaseMachine]

Who's pitching? (You'd think I would know that)

Arroyo.

[Falls City Beer]

It must be nice to use HGH and get away with it like Ankiel did.

What's weird is that clearly the guy didn't need it. He's clean and a top 10 NL hitter.

[reds44]

Dickerson!

[Falls City Beer]

I feel like that's the first Reds' homer in weeks.

[Matt700wlw]

:jump:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wow. 3 doubles, a triple and a home run. Not bad. :O)

[redsfan30]

I can't wait to see Dickerson slump for the first time just to see how he adjusts and comes out of it.

If he comes out of it well, we may just have an answer for 2009.

[OnBaseMachine]

What's weird is that clearly the guy didn't need it. He's clean and a top 10 NL hitter.

You don't think HGH had anything to do with Ankiel being where he is today?

[Falls City Beer]

You don't think HGH had anything to do with Ankiel being where he is today?

No.

[NC Reds]

BP shows some of his famous patience there. Congrats to Dickerson.

[Falls City Beer]

Phillips has been flat-out painful of late.

[OnBaseMachine]

No.

Oh, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I don't guess roids helped Bonds go from a 45 homer guy to a 73 homer guy then.

[jesusfan]

Well... I'm going with OBM, I don't really understand the slap on the wrist MLB gives players for using banned substances... It's not like they lose everything they gained from the "stuff" they had taken, that 15-20 lbs of muscle isn't going anywhere...

[Falls City Beer]

Oh, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I don't guess roids helped Bonds go from a 45 homer guy to a 73 homer guy then.

Pretty clearly Bonds was ON HGH when he hit 73. You don't just stay puffed up like a balloon after you go off the stuff (unless you have some kind of condition).

[Falls City Beer]

Well... I'm going with OBM, I don't really understand the slap on the wrist MLB gives players for using banned substances... It's not like they lose everything they gained from the "stuff" they had taken, that 15-20 lbs of muscle isn't going anywhere...

It's not really muscle, it's mass. Fat basically.

[jesusfan]

Lopez singles to left... Watch him kill us now...

[Falls City Beer]

Lopez singles to left... Watch him kill us now...

Don't need Lopez to do that. Arroyo's doing it just fine.

[jesusfan]

[QUOTE=Falls City Beer;1723493]It's not really muscle, it's mass. Fat basically.[/QUOTE
Well, I took methyl masterdrol (superdrol) for about a month and gained 12 lbs of lean muscle, there are plenty of substances out there that can pack on the punch, especially if you work out while on it... btw, methyl is banned, it wasn't when I took it, but it is now...

[GAC]

It must be nice to use HGH and get away with it like Ankiel did.

Funny how you always seem to mention that; but you seem to "overlook" our own Jerry Hairston Jr. ;)

[jesusfan]

It's not really muscle, it's mass. Fat basically.

Well... I took methyl masterdrol (superdrol) for about a month and gained 12 lbs of lean muscle, there are plenty of substances out there that can pack on the punch, especially if you work out while on it... btw, methyl is banned, it wasn't when I took it, but it is now...

[NC Reds]

Larue should ride a motorcycle to the plate. Dude looks different now with that 'stache.

[OnBaseMachine]

Funny how you always seem to mention that; but you seem to "overlook" our own Jerry Hairston Jr. ;)

And that is one of the reasons I'm not a big Hairston fan.

[NC Reds]

Hairston is an illusion. Now watch this organization reward him with a three year deal.

[jesusfan]

LaRue walks.. Two reds give-aways get on to lead off the inning..

[OnBaseMachine]

Arroyo has been pitching well lately but he's off tonight. Freaking Lopez singles and now he walks LaRue, who is an automatic out these days.

[GAC]

And that is one of the reasons I'm not a big Hairston fan.


You started a thread earlier in the year praising him and wishing we'd call him up (if I remember correctly)

[jesusfan]

Thompson strikes out on the foul bunt...

[Red in Chicago]

Hairston is an illusion. Now watch this organization reward him with a three year deal.

Absolutely, positively 100% correct on that

[Falls City Beer]

More importantly, Hairston's gimpy. He needs to go.

[jesusfan]

Izturis pops to Edwin.. 2 down

[OnBaseMachine]

You started a thread earlier in the year praising him and wishing we'd call him up (if I remember correctly)

Yes I did but that doesn't mean I like him. I mentioned at the time that he wasn't the savior but I preferred him to Hopper.

[Falls City Beer]

Izturis has one homer all season. How many times will he go deep this weekend?

I'll say twice.

[jesusfan]

what in the world is Valentin doing trying to cut off a ball from left field when it's a line drive single...

[OnBaseMachine]

Valentin asleep at the wheel. Schumaker would have been out if Javy had covered first.

[jesusfan]

Ludwick K's... Cards 3 Reds 1... mid 2

[jesusfan]

Is Votto back tomorrow??

[OnBaseMachine]

Hey George, Ludwick isn't a kid. He's 30 years old.

[jesusfan]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/more/03/02/steroid.raid/t1_hairston.jpg

Back in his roid days.. looks a bit bigger around the guns...

[jesusfan]

Javy keeps hitting... double to right...

[jesusfan]

Edwin singles to right.. 1st and 3rd with Patterson up... :(

[jesusfan]

Patterson with a big sac to right... almost got outta here... 3-2

[jesusfan]

Hanigan hits into an easy 6-4-3... 3-2 cards after 2...

[jesusfan]

Pujols laces the double off the bag and into the stands where a fan grabs the ball... idiot!

[jesusfan]

Fly to center... Pujols made a baserunning mistake right there by not tagging to third... Am I the only one here???

[OnBaseMachine]

Pujols laces the double off the bag and into the stands where a fan grabs the ball... idiot!

It was a Cardinals fan. It would've only been a single if not for the Cardinal fan touching it.

[MrCinatit]

Pujols laces the double off the bag and into the stands where a fan grabs the ball... idiot!

Well, the fan WAS wearing a Pujols jersey, so intelligence was not a factor :D

[jesusfan]

I love Dickerson's cannon of an arm... 1st and 3rd for the cards with 1 down... get 1, give up 1... story of tonight I guess...

[jesusfan]

Well, the fan WAS wearing a Pujols jersey, so intelligence was not a factor :D

He's still an idiot for being a cardinals fan... ;)

[jesusfan]

It was a Cardinals fan. It would've only been a single if not for the Cardinal fan touching it.

I know that... lol

[jesusfan]

Arroyo walks Lopez.. .good move.. bases jacked for LaSpew!

[jesusfan]

That should've been an easy 4-6-3 DP, but Hairston throws the ball about 8 feet and it bounces the rest... good scoop too Javy...Not!

[OnBaseMachine]

Hairston, like Kepp, is an awful SS. Finding a SS should be the number one priority for Jocketty in the offseason.

[jesusfan]

Arroyo K's Thompson... 4-2 cards mid 3...

[Red in Chicago]

That should've been an easy 4-6-3 DP, but Hairston throws the ball about 8 feet and it bounces the rest... good scoop too Javy...Not!

hairston has no arm and javy has no stretch...ugly

[jesusfan]

Hairston, like Kepp, is an awful SS. Finding a SS should be the number one priority for Jocketty in the offseason.

There is a guy in Philly that might be available...

[jesusfan]

Hairston rips it right at Glaus...nice play... 4-2 Cards mid 3...

[CTA513]

4-2 Cardinals after 3 innings

Arroyo: 67 pitches
Thompson: 34 pitches

[CrackerJack]

Hairston..ugh, that was an awful throw to first that would've saved a run. I long to see a good SS play here again.

[jesusfan]

pop to Javy... 1 down

[jesusfan]

Great play by Phillips going into rightfield... 2 down

[jesusfan]

Quick 1-2-3 inning for Arroyo... mid 4... 4-2 Cards

[jesusfan]

Bruce K's...

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce is going into another slump. When he's going right he's patient and taking pitches. Right now he's getting too aggressive and swinging at junk like he did on that first 3-2 pitch.

[Falls City Beer]

Every time I read this thread title, I think of

http://www.merryswankster.com/images/YYY-parrot.jpg

[jesusfan]

Thompson eats the reds for dinner that inning... 4-2 Cards after 4...

[Ltlabner]

Bruce is going into another slump. When he's going right he's patient and taking pitches. Right now he's getting too aggressive and swinging at junk like he did on that first 3-2 pitch.

Hummmm...wonder what would ever give him the idea to do that?

[jesusfan]

Pujols pops to Hairston...

[jesusfan]

I'm going with...http://images.camdenchat.com/images/admin/dusty_baker5.jpg

[Doc. Scott]

Patterson Walks!!!!!11!11!one!!!1!!

[Falls City Beer]

Patterson Walks!!!!!11!11!one!!!1!!

Zee Oh Em Gee!

[OnBaseMachine]

Patterson steals 2nd and goes to third on a throwing error. Only one out. Need to get this run in.

[OnBaseMachine]

Hanigan grounds to Glaus who throws home and Patterson slides past the tag. 4-3.

[OnBaseMachine]

LaRue single handedly gave the Reds that run. On a pitch out he made a poor throw into center field and then he failed to tag Patterson. The ball beat him there by a mile but LaRue just forgot to tag him.

[Doc. Scott]

http://www.edvinis.com/NO%20WAI%20copy.jpg

[GAC]

Patterson is just brain dead. My god! why would you head home on a ground ball hit to 3rd when that is the bag you're standing on?

Just got lucky there. Geez!

[VR]

Patterson goes 160 abs w/o a walk, then get his 2nd in two weeks.

[Doc. Scott]

I'm sorry, I blow at posting images. I won't let it happen again.

[Bob Borkowski]

LaRue single handedly gave the Reds that run. On a pitch out he made a poor throw into center field and then he failed to tag Patterson. The ball beat him there by a mile but LaRue just forgot to tag him.

Patterson's speed played an important part.

[Red in Chicago]

Patterson is just brain dead. My god! why would you head home on a ground ball hit to 3rd when that is the bag you're standing on?

Just got lucky there. Geez!

he's done that twice recently, but chris just said that he was suppose to be going on contact...it wasn't up to patterson...

[Bob Borkowski]

4-3 Cards after 5.

[OnBaseMachine]

Lopez triples. The return of the scrubs.

[Falls City Beer]

Any chance Arroyo *doesn't* give back that run this inning?

[Bob Borkowski]

Lopez having a good game. Anyone surprised?

[oneupper]

he's done that twice recently, but chris just said that he was suppose to be going on contact...it wasn't up to patterson...

It's pretty much standard to send a fast guy from third with one out and force a throw. Stuff happens. Tonight stuff happened.

[Red in Chicago]

shocking that the reds couldn't wait to give up that run...

[oneupper]

Lopez having a good game. Anyone surprised?

Felipe has put on a few libras.

[OnBaseMachine]

The good news is the Cardinals have an awful bullpen. Of course they'll shut the Reds down...

[Red in Chicago]

this dude looks like a poodle:p:

[Falls City Beer]

Arroyo's starting to become one of my least favorite Reds.

[Doc. Scott]

I can see the Reds trading the farm for scrappylicious Skip Schumaker.

[OnBaseMachine]

It could be 4-4 if Hairston makes a decent throw...

[nate]

Arroyo's starting to become one of my least favorite Reds.

No small feat!

;)

[Bob Borkowski]

Arroyo's starting to become one of my least favorite Reds.

Why?

[Falls City Beer]

No small feat!

;)

Like Aaron Boone, the guy just punted half a season. It really seems like his concentration lapses depending on the start.

[CrackerJack]

Like Aaron Boone, the guy just punted half a season. It really seems like his concentration lapses depending on the start.

yet he's had a pretty good 2nd half - are you referring to the 1st half?

As a SP I think he's a good innings eater who can be fairly consistent, and give you a lot of QS...maybe I'm missing something but don't mind him at all, very good #3-#4 guy. Great #5 on a rich team.

[Falls City Beer]

yet he's had a pretty good 2nd half - are you referring to the 1st half?

As a SP I think he's a good innings eater who can be fairly consistent, and give you a lot of QS...maybe I'm missing something but don't mind him at all, very good #3-#4 guy. Great #5 on a rich team.

He's had a terrible season. Surrounding a decent month.

[Doc. Scott]

Why?

'Cuz he's not a Cardinal or ex-Cardinal.

[Falls City Beer]

'Cuz he's not a Cardinal or ex-Cardinal.

New material. Please.

[Doc. Scott]

New material. Please.

I've personally never used it before. Arroyo has definitely stunk this year for the most part.

[Falls City Beer]

Bill Bray is a close second behind Arroyo. No pitcher has ever gotten more messes cleaned up for him; no pitcher has ever allowed more starters' runs to score.

[Bob Borkowski]

After Pujols doubles, Bray comes in to face Ankiel. He pops out. (2 out)

[VR]

I've personally never used it before. Arroyo has definitely stunk this year for the most part.

I'm surprised to see his K rate is right up there with EV, Harang and Cueto.

[jesusfan]

Bill Bray is a close second behind Arroyo. No pitcher has ever gotten more messes cleaned up for him; no pitcher has ever allowed more starters' runs to score.

shew... the reds would have like 5 players if it was up to you... ;)

[Falls City Beer]

I'm surprised to see his K rate is right up there with EV, Harang and Cueto.

Goes to show you there's more to pitching than Ks.

[jesusfan]

Bray says "Take that!"

[Bob Borkowski]

5-3 Cards, middle of the 7th.

[Ltlabner]

shew... the reds would have like 5 players if it was up to you... ;)

You'll have to forgive FCB. He's never found a Reds pitcher he could love, or a Cards player he could hate.

[jesusfan]

For a guy that just turned 25 I think Bray is doing pretty well... Above average for his age at least...

[VR]

Goes to show you there's more to pitching than Ks.

Boy, no kidding. I have hope though for guys that can get hitters out on their own, hoping they can be taught the finer art of pitching.

If you can't strike guys out.....well, we all lived through those years for the Reds.

[jesusfan]

I don't understand why my # of posts don't go up...

[jesusfan]

Javy grounds to 2nd... 1 down

[Falls City Beer]

You'll have to forgive FCB. He's never found a Reds pitcher he could love, or a Cards player he could hate.

I'd love to see a Volquez pitch break Pujols' wrist. But I don't think that'll happen.

[jesusfan]

Edwin is really frustrating me...

[jesusfan]

Patterson stays in to bat against the lefty in a close game during the 7th inning.. Yet another example of why Dusty is an idiot!

[OnBaseMachine]

You'll have to forgive FCB. He's never found a Reds pitcher he could love, or a Cards player he could hate.

:thumbup: :bowrofl:

[Bob Borkowski]

I don't understand why my # of posts don't go up...

Have you been posting? ;)

5898 is a really nice number however.

[Strikes Out Looking]

I don't think game thread posts count to the total post count.

[Red in Chicago]

I don't understand why my # of posts don't go up...

post counts don't go up in the gamethreads

[WVRedsFan]

I liked Chris Welsh's comment that the Reds better be looking for offense in the next draft. That's, of course, a little over the top, but the truth remains that all this emphasis on pitching has left the Reds with an emasulated club offensively.

And have you ever seen two guys struggle as much as Jay Bruce and Edwin Encarnacion lately? Wow, they look clueless.

[Falls City Beer]

I liked Chris Welsh's comment that the Reds better be looking for offense in the next draft. That's, of course, a little over the top, but the truth remains that all this emphasis on pitching has left the Reds with an emasulated club offensively.
.

Why is that over the top? It's dead on.

But what's doubly sad is that the Reds are still really thin on pitching. It just seems endless.

[Bob Borkowski]

Still 5-3 Redbirds, going to the bottom of the 8th.

[Red in Chicago]

I liked Chris Welsh's comment that the Reds better be looking for offense in the next draft. That's, of course, a little over the top, but the truth remains that all this emphasis on pitching has left the Reds with an emasulated club offensively.

And have you ever seen two guys struggle as much as Jay Bruce and Edwin Encarnacion lately? Wow, they look clueless.

yeah, bako, patterson, homer, maj all say hi ;)

[Strikes Out Looking]

I liked Chris Welsh's comment that the Reds better be looking for offense in the next draft. That's, of course, a little over the top, but the truth remains that all this emphasis on pitching has left the Reds with an emasulated club offensively.

And have you ever seen two guys struggle as much as Jay Bruce and Edwin Encarnacion lately? Wow, they look clueless.

At a minimum, a player taken in the '09 draft won't reach the majors until 2011-12, so I think this is fairly silly. The Reds need to draft the best prospects they can, offense or pitchers and go from there.

[jesusfan]

2 quick outs...

[OnBaseMachine]

Just what I figured, the crappy Cardinal bullpen comes in and shuts down the Reds offense.

[jesusfan]

Dickerson doubles again... wow! A machine!

[OnBaseMachine]

Dickerson doubles again.

4 doubles, 1 triple, 1 homerun, no singles.

[jesusfan]

Hairston about to homer to tie this puppy up!

[jesusfan]

Dickerson is 1 extra base-hit away from tying the MLB record for most extra base-hits to start a career before your first single... what a stat!

[jesusfan]

quickly 0-2

[Big Klu]

Dickerson doubles again.

4 doubles, 1 triple, 1 homerun, no singles.

Singles are for wimps.

[jesusfan]

5-3 end of 8...

[OnBaseMachine]

Hairston swings at a pitch at his ankles and grounds out. Inning over.

[jesusfan]

Bruce, Phillips, Valentin will hit in the 9th..

[Strikes Out Looking]

Bruce, Phillips, Valentin will hit in the 9th..

Carnak says "Two out three ain't bad."

[oneupper]

Bruce, Phillips, Valentin will hit in the 9th..

The "meat" of our lineup is rather lean.

[jesusfan]

Affeldt K's Ludwick..

[OnBaseMachine]

Keppinger is painfully bad at SS. One step and dive...

[Bob Borkowski]

The "meat" of our lineup is rather lean.

The Reds have left only 2 men on base tonite. :D

[jesusfan]

Pujols swipes second after the ball bounces away... great baserunning...

[jesusfan]

Affeldt K's Glaus... Man, when he gets it over the plate he is hard to hit...

[jesusfan]

Bruce hits it right at Schumaker... 1 down

[Bob Borkowski]

Suddenly it is 1999...Ron Villone takes the mound.

[jesusfan]

BP singles... Here comes Javy...

[OnBaseMachine]

Awful atbat by Valentin. Swings at a slider that almost hit, takes a hanging slider, and then chases high heat.

[OnBaseMachine]

And now EdE chases a pitch down and away and then takes a belt high fastball for a strike.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Most pathetic offensive display since ... well, a few days ago.

[jesusfan]

Edwin K's... game over...

[OnBaseMachine]

Edwin, like Valentin, didn't swing at a strike the whole atbat.

The Cardinals scrubby bullpen shuts the Reds down.

[Falls City Beer]

Fun team.

[WVRedsFan]

Why is that over the top? It's dead on.

But what's doubly sad is that the Reds are still really thin on pitching. It just seems endless.

Because anyone drafted wouldn't contribute for 3-4 years.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Cardinals pitching staff...

All Games except REDS 2008
4.23 ERA, 1.41 WHIP

In 7 Games vs. REDS 2008
2.76 ERA, 1.03 WHIP

The offense. Makes most pitchers better (statistics and mentally). Need confidence boost on the mound? Face the team from Cincinnati.

30 games this year with 5-hits or less. Averaging a 5-hit or less game once every 4 games. Record is 3-27 in those games. Pitching (mostly starters, 5.26 ERA) ain't cutting it, but the hitting is woeful.