Finally some positives, and hope

[Griffey012]

Harang has started too look like his old self a bit lately. Definitely would be great if he ended the season in his old self. Arroyo is pitching like 2006, Cueto has been golden lately, and Volquez looks good. At least our starting pitching is definitely looking up.

[walk-off]

Wait till they nab CC in the off season. It will then be the best rotation in baseball!!!

[nemesis]

I don't want them to nab CC... After the way the Brewers are abusing him it'll be 2 maybe 3 years before he starts to break down... (See Zito,Barry)... He will want at least 6 or 7 years 100 to 120 Million. My guess the GM who signs him won't be arount to see the end of his contract.

Actually who'd i go after would be Olsen from Flordia.

Actually since you asked. well actually u didn't but we will pretend you did... Here is the trades I would like to see in the offseason that would make us a contender next year vs 2 years from now.

Bruce
Bray
Freel
Horst
Frazier

to Tampa Bay for:

Jackson
Crawford

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Bailey
Roenicke
Valakia
Dorn

to Flordia for:

Olsen
Uggla

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Harang
Arroyo
Encarnacion
Francisco
Lotzkar

to Dodgers for:

Kershaw
Either
DeWitt
Hu

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Thompson
Keppinger

to Texas for

any of their 3 catchers

So your line up would look like:

RF Crawford
CF Stubbs
1B Votto
2B Uggla
SS Phillips
LF Either
C Salty/ Teabagger/ Laird
3B DeWitt

Bench:

Rosales
Dickerson
Hanigan
Hariston
Castillo
Owings - Guy can hit and play LF in a pinch

Rotation:

Volquez
Cueto
Olsen
Jackson
Kershaw

Bullpen:

Owings
Herrera
Affeldt
Weathers
Fisher
Burton
Cordero

All at a payroll around $56 Mil figuring contracts owed and arbitration...

Develop Manuel, Stewart, A. Gonzales and Watson you could dump Cordero and Affeldt deadline time dropping another $17 Mill from that number.

DeWitt would be a quality stop gap until Soto develops as well as trading Phillips once Hu's bat comes around. Dropping another 6 to 7 mil. Cheap and exciting. Would you not pay to watch that?

[ChatterRed]

You scare me.

[nemesis]

You scare me.

LOL... I have LOTS of time on my hands...

[DUNN'KD]

Yeah, WAY too much time to think up these evil plans.

[Orodle]

Honestly what opposing teams would agree to those deals?



I don't want them to nab CC... After the way the Brewers are abusing him it'll be 2 maybe 3 years before he starts to break down... (See Zito,Barry)... He will want at least 6 or 7 years 100 to 120 Million. My guess the GM who signs him won't be arount to see the end of his contract.

Actually who'd i go after would be Olsen from Flordia.

Actually since you asked. well actually u didn't but we will pretend you did... Here is the trades I would like to see in the offseason that would make us a contender next year vs 2 years from now.

Bruce
Bray
Freel
Horst
Frazier

to Tampa Bay for:

Jackson
Crawford

___________________

Bailey
Roenicke
Valakia
Dorn

to Flordia for:

Olsen
Uggla

____________________

Harang
Arroyo
Encarnacion
Francisco
Lotzkar

to Dodgers for:

Kershaw
Either
DeWitt
Hu

____________________

Thompson
Keppinger

to Texas for

any of their 3 catchers

So your line up would look like:

RF Crawford
CF Stubbs
1B Votto
2B Uggla
SS Phillips
LF Either
C Salty/ Teabagger/ Laird
3B DeWitt

Bench:

Rosales
Dickerson
Hanigan
Hariston
Castillo
Owings - Guy can hit and play LF in a pinch

Rotation:

Volquez
Cueto
Olsen
Jackson
Kershaw

Bullpen:

Owings
Herrera
Affeldt
Weathers
Fisher
Burton
Cordero

All at a payroll around $56 Mil figuring contracts owed and arbitration...

Develop Manuel, Stewart, A. Gonzales and Watson you could dump Cordero and Affeldt deadline time dropping another $17 Mill from that number.

DeWitt would be a quality stop gap until Soto develops as well as trading Phillips once Hu's bat comes around. Dropping another 6 to 7 mil. Cheap and exciting. Would you not pay to watch that?

[HeatherC1212]

Honestly what opposing teams would agree to those deals?

I believe the answer you're looking for is 'none', LOL :laugh:

Right now I actually have more hope in the Reds pitching than I do with the Reds offense but maybe I'm just naive to expect the young guys to do better offensively next year (and the older guys to be no where near the club, LOL). :thumbup:

[nemesis]

I would bet all of them. Bruce is a young cheap star in right and Crawford is a restricted FA. Then you have David Price in AAA. Someone has to go from that rotation and it isnt going to be Shields, Kazmir or Garza.

Texas has 3 starting catchers and very little starting pitching. Plus we have a nice trade history together... Encarnacion and Volquez worked out nice not to mention what Hamilton has done for them.

Flordia had something like 16 players eligible for Arbitration Ho mouch you think a 2B who hit 30 HR a year gonna be worth? ALOT more than the Marlins are gonna be willing to pay... Valakia gives them a quality 2B prospect who'll fill thier needs. Dorn gives them a thumper in their line up who'll probaly be better off there because they will show alot more patience while he learns to hit LHP. Bailey just needs a fresh start and they really could use some more young pitching.

LA needs to win now. Torre wasn't brought in to develop players. Their GM might be feeling enough pressure to make some key deals with using some of their young players to get them a promising bat who'll upgrade their offense today and tomorrow. (Encarnacion/Francisco) that in turn will make DeWitt expendible. They have Jones, Kemp, Either, Ramierez who I belive they will resign among other prospects and players in thier outfield. They are losing Lowe possibly Penny. They need Veteran pitching and if they fail to land CC, (I think he ends up in Seattle) they are gonna have to go get some thru a trade and Kershaw should be at the top of everyones must get list. Phillips might be a great fit in LA as well...