reds vs giants 8/31/08

[Red in Chicago]

someone please post lineup when available.

[Matt700wlw]

Chris Dickerson LF

Jeff Keppinger SS

Joey Votto 1B

Edwin Encarnacion 3B

Jay Bruce RF

Jolbert Cabrera 2B

Corey Patterson CF

Paul Bako C

Bronson Arroyo RHP (12-10, 5.07)

[OnBaseMachine]

Keppinger strikes again. A routine groundball turned into a single.

[OnBaseMachine]

And now Jolbert Cabrera botches an easy double play. Instead it's only a fielders choice.

[Degenerate39]

I really don't know why Cabrera is on this team.

[nate]

Nice 5-4-3 DP to end the inning.

[Matt700wlw]

Dickerson continues to hit

[OnBaseMachine]

Dickerson leads off with a line drive single to LF. Is it just me or does it seem like he's always on base?

[Matt700wlw]

Dickerson leads off with a single. Is it just me or does it seem like he's always on base?

He's an OnBaseMachine. :roll:

[OnBaseMachine]

Dickerson steals 2nd, Kepp bunts him to third.

[Degenerate39]

Nice stolen base, sac, and rbi single

[OnBaseMachine]

Votto lines a single to left to score Dickerson, 1-0 Reds.

[Matt700wlw]

Small ball? Fundamentals?

What be those?

[OnBaseMachine]

EdE walks on four pitches.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce just misses a double in the corner by a foot...he runs the count to 3-2 and walks. Nice atbat.

Bases loaded and only one out for Cabrera.

[OnBaseMachine]

Two straight walks so Jolbert Cabrera swings at the first pitch at his eyes.

[nate]

and then strikes out.

[Degenerate39]

I really don't know why Cabrera is on this team.

I stand corrected :thumbdown

[Matt700wlw]

Keppinger really does lack range at SS...

[Degenerate39]

Keppinger really does lack range at SS...

But he sure can hit

[Doc. Scott]

Two-out single from Kepp scores Arroyo! Votto follows with another hit, bringing up Edwin with two on and two out.

[Matt700wlw]

Arroyo's scrappy :D

[Doc. Scott]

Edwin takes a Rudy to bring up Bruce with the bases full; Cain walks him, forcing in run #3.

[Kc61]

Bruce walks in a run. Reds should have about 19 runs in this game.

Must say, watching the team this week, Joey Votto is a terrific young hitter. So consistent, still very young. Hope they can find a spot for Votto going forward, even when Alonso comes up.

[Doc. Scott]

Cabrera has another cruddy at-bat, grounding into a force to end the inning. Cain at 59 pitches through two; 3-1 Reds.

[nate]

Cabrera grounds to SS to end the inning.

Bruce went in hard to second on that play and made it close. I like.

[NC Reds]

Corey Patterson is back under the Mendoza line again. He should have retired after yesterday's game.

[PuffyPig]

But he sure can hit

Yeah we sure could use a bunch more .660 OPS guys in the lineup, especially ones who are so range limited they have trouble catching a cold.

[Matt700wlw]

Burris gets his first HR of the season....and of his big league career.

[Doc. Scott]

I really appreciate the philanthropy of the Reds' pitching staff, handing *two* powerless Giants their first big-league bombs in this series.

[OnBaseMachine]

Votto is 3-for-3.

[Doc. Scott]

Joey Votto is on fire; he raps another base hit. Average up to .292.

[OnBaseMachine]

Then Votto gets caught stealing as the Reds give away another out.

[Doc. Scott]

...of course, he then catches the same crappy-baserunning bug as the rest of the post-offense Reds.

[Degenerate39]

Yeah we sure could use a bunch more .660 OPS guys in the lineup, especially ones who are so range limited they have trouble catching a cold.

Yeah the Reds taking him off the DL too soon didn't have any affect on him what so ever.

[WVRedsFan]

Yeah the Reds taking him off the DL too soon didn't have any affect on him what so ever.

There's a reason why Kepp has been a journeyman player. You're seeing it here. Play him in spots and he can look awesome, but play him everyday, and you get a guy who is going to hit .260 with no pop and little defensive powress.

The injury IMHO didn't change any of that. He is what his is--a backup.

[Doc. Scott]

I don't think Keppinger's injury had anything to do with his subsequent slump at the plate. He's just regressed towards the mean. The real Jeff is somewhere between the Boggsian exploits of 2007 and this year's Oesterisms.

It might have further hurt his already-poor range afield, but since the guy just can't play shortstop in the major leagues I think you'd all be complaining about it regardless of whether or not he'd broken his kneecap.

I hope the Reds keep him and use him as a utility player and pinch-hitter in 2009; he could have a lot of use filling it at six positions. And he'll hit much better than many players of that ilk.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce walks again. He's got three walks today. That's great to see.

[WVRedsFan]

You know, our bottom three - Patterson, Bako, and Arroyo are pitiful. In fact, Bronson is the best hitter of the three which is sad. I'll continue my chant--we need offense!

[OnBaseMachine]

Bases loaded with two outs for Bronson.

[Matt700wlw]

Bronson = clutch

:D

[OnBaseMachine]

Arroyo doubles! Two runs score, Bako is thrown out at the plate though.

5-2 Reds after 5!

[WVRedsFan]

You know, our bottom three - Patterson, Bako, and Arroyo are pitiful. In fact, Bronson is the best hitter of the three which is sad. I'll continue my chant--we need offense!


See what I mean?? :)

[OnBaseMachine]

I'd much rather have Arroyo at the plate over Bako and Patterson, and I mean that.

[PuffyPig]

Yeah the Reds taking him off the DL too soon didn't have any affect on him what so ever.


Oh, I'll agree it affected him, but not to a huge degree. He has a .660 OPS.

He's better than that, but he's not a .800 guy.

He's nice utility player, but that's all.

[Spring~Fields]

Bruce walks again. He's got three walks today. That's great to see.

Wow where did all of this pitch recognition and plate discipline come from all of a sudden, change in batting instructions?

[OnBaseMachine]

Oh, I'll agree it affected him, but not to a huge degree. He has a .660 OPS.

He's better than that, but he's not a .800 guy.

He's nice utility player, but that's all.

Agreed. Kepp is a nice guy to have around as a utility guy but he's not an everyday shortstop.

[OnBaseMachine]

Arroyo has given up a boatload of seeing eye singles today.

[Doc. Scott]

Bronson gets a big K of the dangerous Burriss for the second out. Following is Velez, the Gehrig to Burriss' Babe!

[Doc. Scott]

Velez flies out. 5-2 Reds after 5.5.

[OnBaseMachine]

Nice job by Arroyo. The Giants had runners on first and third with only out but Bronson got a big strikeout and then a fly out to escape the jam.

5-2 Reds after six. That should be it for Bronson.

[Spring~Fields]

There's a reason why Kepp has been a journeyman player. You're seeing it here. Play him in spots and he can look awesome, but play him everyday, and you get a guy who is going to hit .260 with no pop and little defensive powress.

The injury IMHO didn't change any of that. He is what his is--a backup.

I guess you get what you pay for.

Alex Gonzalez SS 2008: $4,625,000
Career .248 .295 .399 .695
FPCT .969 RF 4.49 ZR .843

Jeff Keppinger SS 2008: $402,500
Career .288 .341 .395 .736
FPCT .986 RF 4.06 ZR .807

3yr
Total .319 .385 .462 .847

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=6076&type=batting3

[PuffyPig]

Don't look know, but with that scorless inning, Arroyo has his ERA down to 4.97.

Who would have thought he could ever have done that.

It was a 6.52 on June 24.

Since that time he has been (assumimg win today), 9-3 with a 3.28 ERA in 12 starts, averaging about 6 2/3rds inning per start, and includes 9 quality starts.

[WVRedsFan]

I guess you get what you pay for.

Of course, that's always true. When you go to the Big Lots to get a bargain, you usually get something that breaks after two uses. That's a lesson that most of our recent GM's didn't understand because we have a team full of Keppingers, Freels, Hoppers, Bakos, and Pattersons with a Cabrerra, Hariston, and a Andy Phillips thrown in on occasion.

Sometimes these acquitions work out for a brief time and sometimes they do not. That's the gamble.

[Spring~Fields]

Of course, that's always true. When you go to the Big Lots to get a bargain, you usually get something that breaks after two uses. That's a lesson that most of our recent GM's didn't understand because we have a team full of Keppingers, Freels, Hoppers, Bakos, and Pattersons with a Cabrerra, Hariston, and a Andy Phillips thrown in on occasion.

Sometimes these acquitions work out for a brief time and sometimes they do not. That's the gamble.

I know he should have never traded Dunn and Griffey for a relief pitcher and some minor league fodder, this team needs offense. ;) :D He paid to get rid of them too.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=28505

[nate]

Votto going yard here would be "cool."

[Screwball]

Would anybody be opposed to nicknaming Patterson "In play: Out(s)"?

In play: Out(s) up to bat. In play out(s) with a nice catch in center. In play: Out(s) is married to Dusty's daughter. In play: Out(s) should be riding the bench.

I like it. :thumbup:

[Matt700wlw]

Votto!

[nate]

That was some bad defense for the Giants there.

[Degenerate39]

Votto going yard here would be "cool."

A double will work too

[NC Reds]

Left fielder was blinded by Joey's aura.

[HokieRed]

What a fabulous at-bat for Joey Votto. How about the upside on this kid being Todd Helton or even Josh Hamilton rather than Sean Casey.

[nate]

A double will work too

It was a tough play for the fielder, the ball hit him in a bad spot.

The glove.

[Spring~Fields]

Votto!

J. Votto 1B 4-4 4 RBI :thumbup:

[Spring~Fields]

Arroyo 116 pitches will he get the chance at back to back complete games?

9-2 Reds after 7

[nate]

Arroyo 116 pitches will he get the chance at back to back complete games?

9-2 Reds after 7

Nope, Majic-time.

[PuffyPig]

Arroyo 116 pitches will he get the chance at back to back complete games?

9-2 Reds after 7

Well considering he's at 116 pitches, and would likely need about 140-150 piches to get the complate game, I'd guess no.

And considering thet he was pinch hit for already, and is out of the game, I think that probably clinches it.

[WVRedsFan]

Uh oh.

When will the Reds figure out that Majewski needs to just go away?

[PuffyPig]

Well considering he's at 116 pitches, and would likely need about 140-150 pitches to get the complete game, I'd guess no.

And considering thet he was pinch hit for already, and is out of the game, I think that probably clinches it.

[Spring~Fields]

Nope, Majic-time.

Probably the safe and right decision to relieve him.

[CTA513]

Rich Aurilia should think about retiring after being K'd by Majewski.

[RedFanAlways1966]

SWEEP? If it happens, it will be the 5th sweep of the year for the mighty REDS (minimum three game series). All of them at home...
(1) May 12-14 vs. Marlins.
(2) May 16-18 vs. Indians.
(3) May 30-June 1 vs. Braves
(4) July 3-6 vs. Nationals.

The last time the REDS swept a team on the road was July 16-18, 2007 (Braves). They have played 31 series' (min. 3 games) on the road since that sweep... and were swept by the opposing team 6 times.

[BoydsOfSummer]

Majewski might be the most nonathletic looking guy to ever play the game.

[Spring~Fields]

Well considering he's at 116 pitches, and would likely need about 140-150 piches to get the complate game, I'd guess no.

And considering thet he was pinch hit for already, and is out of the game, I think that probably clinches it.

Well that makes that a pretty good guess. You're getting better. :)

How's ND doing this year.

[PuffyPig]

Uh oh.

When will the Reds figure out that Majewski needs to just go away?

The way I hear it, the Reds will release Patterson and Majewski when the following occurs:

Patterson gets a start and no one posts "Why is he in the lineup?"

Magic is brought into the game and no one says:" Why is he still on the team?"

We only have ourselves to blame.....:D

[Spring~Fields]

Back to back strikeouts, where have then been hiding this Majewski

[nate]

As if to spite the naysayers, Majewski sets them down in order with 2 Ks.

[Spring~Fields]

San Francisco Inning Summary

- G. Majewski relieved B. Arroyo
- R. Aurilia struck out swinging
- P. Sandoval struck out swinging
- A. Rowand flied out to right
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

[PuffyPig]

How's ND doing this year.

"ND?"

[OnBaseMachine]

It's funny that Votto was credited with a double. Official scoring these days is a joke.

[PuffyPig]

Back to back strikeouts, where have then been hiding this Majewski

We just haven't had enough 9-2 leads this year for him to mop up in.

[Spring~Fields]

"ND?"
http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/ncaaf/teams/20080123/80x60/nnx.gif

[PuffyPig]

It's funny that Votto was credited with a double. Official scoring these days is a joke.


I'd say.

The OF misplays it badly, and it still drops right out of his glove.

Error all the way.

[Spring~Fields]

We just haven't had enough 9-2 leads this year for him to mop up in.

That's true, guess the guy felt more comfortable with a big lead. :)

Wait a minute, Majewski is basically pitching against a AAA team, I missed that one.

[OnBaseMachine]

But then again, if he's going to refuse to give Phillips an error after he botched that groundball Friday night and cost Volquez multi runs then I don't see how he can rule that an error. They both should have been errors if you ask me.

[nate]

Oh boy, a new JTM commercial!

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce has a nice day, hopefully he's coming out of that slump. He's 0-for-3 with three walks and a sharp line out to the pitcher. He's had a three ball count in every atbat which is very encouraging.

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati
C. Dickerson LF 1-4
J. Keppinger SS 2-3
J. Votto 1B 4-4
E. Encarnacion 3B 1-2
J. Bruce RF 0-2
J. Cabrera 2B 1-5
C. Patterson CF 0-5
P. Bako C 1-3
G. Majewski P 0-0




AB R H RBI BB K LOB
C. Dickerson lf 4 2 1 0 1 1 1 .324
J. Keppinger ss 3 3 2 1 1 0 0 .268
J. Votto 1b 4 0 4 4 1 0 0 .294
E. Encarnacion 3b 2 0 1 1 2 0 0 .253
J. Bruce rf 2 1 0 1 3 1 4 .254

[RedFanAlways1966]

9 walks today. Only the third time since the All-Star Break (41 games) that the REDS have more than 5 walks in a game.

Season high for the REDS was 11 walks on May 24 @ San Diego. They had 10 walks two games later vs. Pittsburgh.

[OnBaseMachine]

Jolbert Cabrera is not a second baseman. The Giants have about four hits today that would be outs if the Reds had a major league caliber 2B/SS.

[nate]

Patterson is fast.

[nate]

The scoreboard smiles.

[OnBaseMachine]

Reds win 9-3.

[remdog]

I really like the 'stuff' that Affeldt brings to the mound. If he could be more consistent with his location he'd be close to unhittable.

I'd love to bring him back next year but with one caveat---the Reds would have to be convinced that they have a chance to win the division. Otherwise, Jerremy is way too expensive.

Rem

[Degenerate39]

As if to spite the naysayers, Majewski sets them down in order with 2 Ks.

I still don't want him on the team :D

[RedFanAlways1966]

REDS last 13 games of August...

Starters
* 2.77 ERA, 1.18 WHIP.
>> 10 quality starts, 6-4 record.

Bullpen
* 6.82 ERA, 1.91 WHIP.
>> 2 blown saves, 1-2 record.

[Spring~Fields]

Final 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
San Francisco 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 3 12 0
Cincinnati 1 2 0 0 2 1 3 0 X 9 12 0

WP: B. Arroyo (13-10)
LP: M. Cain (8-11)


Scoring Summary
Bot 1st: Cincinnati
- J. Votto singled to left, C. Dickerson scored

Top 2nd: San Francisco
- A. Rowand singled to center, P. Sandoval scored

Bot 2nd: Cincinnati
- J. Keppinger singled to center, B. Arroyo scored
- J. Bruce walked, J. Keppinger scored, J. Votto to third, E. Encarnacion to second

Top 4th: San Francisco
- E. Burriss homered to deep right

Bot 5th: Cincinnati - B. Arroyo doubled to deep left, J. Bruce and J. Cabrera scored, P. Bako out at home

Bot 6th: Cincinnati
- E. Encarnacion doubled to deep center, J. Keppinger scored, J. Votto to third

Bot 7th: Cincinnati - J. Votto doubled to left, A. Phillips, J. Keppinger and C. Dickerson scored

Top 9th: San Francisco
- I. Ochoa doubled to deep left, E. Burriss scored

Batting Cincinnati
2B - B Arroyo (3, M Cain); J Keppinger (18, B Sadler); E Encarnacion (26, B Sadler); J Votto (24, J Taschner).

S - J Keppinger.

RBI - J Votto 4 (64), J Keppinger (33), J Bruce (41), B Arroyo 2 (6), E Encarnacion (57).

2-out RBI - J Keppinger, J Bruce, B Arroyo 2, J Votto 3.

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - C Patterson 2, J Bruce 1, J Cabrera 4.

Team LOB - 11.

Base Running
SB - C Dickerson (5, 2nd base off M Cain/P Sandoval), B Arroyo (1, 2nd base off M Cain/P Sandoval).

CS - J Votto (5, 2nd base by M Cain/P Sandoval).

Fielding
DP - 2 (E Encarnacion-J Cabrera-J Votto, J Cabrera-J Keppinger-J Votto).


Batting San Francisco
2B - I Ochoa (8, J Affeldt).

3B - P Sandoval (1, B Arroyo).

HR - E Burriss (1, 4th inning off B Arroyo 0 on, 1 Out).

RBI - A Rowand (69), E Burriss (15), I Ochoa (3).

2-out RBI - I Ochoa.

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - A Rowand 1, R Winn 1, M Cain 1, E Velez 1.

GIDP - R Aurilia, F Lewis.

Team LOB - 7.

Fielding
Outfield assists - F Lewis (P Bako at Home).

Pitching


M. Cain 5.0 8 5 5 5 3 0 3.69 (L, 8-11)
B. Sadler 1.0 2 1 1 1 0 0 4.78
J. Taschner 0.2 2 3 3 3 1 0 5.06
O. Matos 1.1 0 0 0 0 2 0 3.45

B. Arroyo 7.0 10 2 2 0 5 1 4.97 (W, 13-10)
G. Majewski 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 5.45
J. Affeldt 1.0 2 1 1 0 0 0 3.47


IBB - J Votto (by B Sadler).

HBP - E Encarnacion (by M Cain).

Pitches-strikes - M Cain 111-64; B Sadler 21-11; J Taschner 32-16; O Matos 22-16; B Arroyo 116-82; G Majewski 16-11; J Affeldt 22-14.

Ground balls-fly balls - M Cain 4-6; B Sadler 0-3; J Taschner 0-1; O Matos 0-2; B Arroyo 8-8; G Majewski 0-1; J Affeldt 2-1.

Batters faced - M Cain 27; B Sadler 6; J Taschner 7; O Matos 4; B Arroyo 29; G Majewski 3; J Affeldt 5.


Time: 3:01.
Attendance: 26,519

[Spring~Fields]

Can Arroyo win 16 or 17 this year, is there still time?

[Matt700wlw]

Is this young nucleus starting to mesh?

[HokieRed]

Certainly was a good series. I'd love to see some more of the young ones in the bullpen.

[WVRedsFan]

Can Arroyo win 16 or 17 this year, is there still time?

He has 5 more starts, giving him a potential 18-10 record. If two of those 5 are losses or no decisions, he could be 16-12 or 16-10. Chances are, he'll finish with 15 wins. Not bad.

That would make him very attractive in winter trade talks.

[mth123]

He has 5 more starts, giving him a potential 18-10 record. If two of those 5 are losses or no decisions, he could be 16-12 or 16-10. Chances are, he'll finish with 15 wins. Not bad.

That would make him very attractive in winter trade talks.

ERA below 5 now.

[Spring~Fields]

He has 5 more starts, giving him a potential 18-10 record. If two of those 5 are losses or no decisions, he could be 16-12 or 16-10. Chances are, he'll finish with 15 wins. Not bad.

That would make him very attractive in winter trade talks.

Thanks WV,

and I agree on making him attractive

[Spring~Fields]

Is this young nucleus starting to mesh?

Can’t say much for the competition, but I don’t care this time, it’s our turn for something to work out good regardless.