Reds vs Brewers 9/8/08

[Red in Chicago]

Reds
C. Patterson cf
J. Keppinger ss
B. Phillips 2b
J. Votto 1b
E. Encarnacion 3b
J. Bruce rf
W. Castillo lf
P. Bako c
E. Volquez p

Milwaukee
R. Durham 2b
J.J. Hardy ss
R. Braun lf
P. Fielder 1b
C. Hart rf
M. Cameron cf
C. Counsell 3b
J. Kendall c
D. Bush p

[remdog]

I thought that Dusty said that Castillo wouldn't be playing much in the coming games because the Reds were playing contenders and they owed it to the integrity of the to put their best lineup out there. Or, some such giberish....

So now, apparently, Castillo is one of the 'great eight' that the Reds can put on the field? :confused:

Rem

[TOBTTReds]

I'm guessing Dickerson is nursing something...he was originally in the lineup Sunday, then pulled

[remdog]

Yep, sprained ankle.

Rem

[remdog]

Does Dickerson's sprained ankle translate into Castillo starting in LF?

Rem

[Spring~Fields]

I thought that Dusty said that Castillo wouldn't be playing much in the coming games because the Reds were playing contenders and they owed it to the integrity of the to put their best lineup out there. Or, some such giberish....

So now, apparently, Castillo is one of the 'great eight' that the Reds can put on the field? :confused:

Rem
That integrity stuff can't be true.
He would not have his worst batter leading off.

[NC Reds]

Corey Patterson has the worst swing in baseball.

[remdog]

I'm sure it has happened but doe CPatt ever take a first pitch for a strike? Especially in the leadoff position....:bang:

Rem

[remdog]

Gee, the Reds are really patient tonight....3 pitches, 2 outs. :rolleyes:

Rem

[alloverjr]

It could only be made better if Bako batted 4th. :)

I know trades, injuries, etc. But there has to be some logic base for this.

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati Inning Summary

- C. Patterson popped out to third
- J. Keppinger popped out to shallow right
- B. Phillips grounded out to second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

Pitches-strikes - D Bush 11-8.

Ground balls-fly balls - D Bush 1-2.

[remdog]

Nice start by the Reds. Eleven pitches, three outs. Being aggressive at bat is something I support but the 'agressive' part referrs to going after a ball that you can drive---not swinging at everything within six inches of the strike zone!

Rem

[Tony Cloninger]

Patterson and Keppinger make Phillips look like Eddie Yost.

[remdog]

Eddie Yost---walk machine. :)

Rem

[Spring~Fields]

Milwaukee Inning Summary

- R. Durham doubled to deep right
- J.J. Hardy flied out to deep right, R. Durham to third
- R. Braun walked
- R. Braun stole second
- P. Fielder grounded out to first, R. Durham scored, R. Braun to third
- C. Hart grounded out to shortstop
- End of Inning (1 Run, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

Pitches-strikes - E Volquez 22-13

Ground balls-fly balls - E Volquez 2-1

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce lines a two out double into the right center gap. That ball was smoked.

[OnBaseMachine]

Castillo lines a single to RF to score Bruce. That's the first RBI of his career.

[Spring~Fields]

Rookies coming through:)

[remdog]

Well, that guy that wasn't gonna' play because of the playoff race just drove in Bruce to tie the game.

Rem

[Spring~Fields]

Well, that guy that wasn't gonna' play because of the playoff race just drove in Bruce to tie the game.

Rem

I enjoy the younger players when they come through or play well, I don't know why, I just enjoy them.

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati Inning Summary

- J. Votto lined out to third
- E. Encarnacion flied out to right center
- J. Bruce doubled to deep right center
- W. Castillo singled to right, J. Bruce scored, W. Castillo to second advancing on throw
- P. Bako intentionally walked
- E. Volquez grounded out to shortstop
- End of Inning (1 Run, 2 Hits, 0 Errors)

Pitches-strikes D Bush 29-17

Ground balls-fly balls - D Bush 2-4.

Batters faced -D Bush 9.

[remdog]

I enjoy the younger players when they come through or play well, I don't know why, I just enjoy them.

To paraphrase Joseph Stalin: They are opiates for the masses. :)

Rem

[Tony Cloninger]

It gives hope.....where there is none....that these rookies will develop into something more than just bench players who get piled on for even being on the roster...let alone getting starts

[Ltlabner]

Chat is open for those who feal up to the challenge.

[OnBaseMachine]

Volquez has awful command tonight. It could be a long night.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Edinson's control seems really off tonight.

[_Sir_Charles_]

2 run jack by Kendall. 3-1 Brewers.

[CTA513]

Volquez just gave up a homer to the big power hitter known as Jason Kendall.

[OnBaseMachine]

Wow. Did Jason Kendell really just hit a 2-run homerun off Volquez? Unbelievable. That's what happens when you don't have command of anything. He's struggling with all of his pitches tonight.

[Spring~Fields]

It gives hope.....where there is none....that these rookies will develop into something more than just bench players who get piled on for even being on the roster...let alone getting starts

Yes and they seem to have an energy about them.

[CTA513]

Only 43 pitches for Volquez to finish 2 innings.

[lollipopcurve]

After Baker went too long with Volquez last start, it would have been nice for him to get an extra day before the next one. EV doesn't have it tonight. Wonder if Dusty is still going to ride him over 100 pitches -- ya know, give him that extra long opportunity to win 20.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nearly another HR. A FB drives Bruce to the wall. This should be a VERY short night for Edinson. "Fairly" high pitch count last time out, late in the year, and he obviously doesn't have it tonight. This would be a good night to have a light load on Edinson.

[Spring~Fields]

Milwaukee 2nd Inning Summary

- M. Cameron flied out to deep center
- C. Counsell walked
- J. Kendall homered to deep left center, C. Counsell scored
- D. Bush struck out swinging
- R. Durham flied out to deep right
- End of Inning (2 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

After two
Pitches-strikes - E Volquez 43-23, Ground balls-fly balls - E Volquez 2-3 Batters faced - E Volquez 10

[edabbs44]

After Baker went too long with Volquez last start, it would have been nice for him to get an extra day before the next one. EV doesn't have it tonight. Wonder if Dusty is still going to ride him over 100 pitches -- ya know, give him that extra long opportunity to win 20.

I was waiting for the first potshot at the Dust for Volquez's struggles tonight.

[HokieRed]

Volquez 4.55 ERA over last 10 starts--tired or regressing to what might be career norms?

[OnBaseMachine]

After Baker went too long with Volquez last start, it would have been nice for him to get an extra day before the next one. EV doesn't have it tonight. Wonder if Dusty is still going to ride him over 100 pitches -- ya know, give him that extra long opportunity to win 20.

Good point. Mixing in a very high pitch count last start plus him reaching unchartered territory in innings pitched can be a very bad combo. He doesn't have anything tonight.

[OnBaseMachine]

Volquez 4.55 ERA over last 10 starts--tired or regressing to what might be career norms?

Tired. He's never thrown this many innings before.

[remdog]

The Milwaukee announcer just referred to Keppinger as 'the Reds slick-fielding shortstop'. HUH???

Rem

[_Sir_Charles_]

Phillips rips a single to left. 2 outs though.

[Spring~Fields]

The Milwaukee announcer just referred to Keppinger as 'the Reds slick-fielding shortstop'. HUH???

Rem

:lol:

I owe you, that is a couple times this week you made me smile and laugh, when I needed it. :)

[_Sir_Charles_]

And the 2 out rally was rather shortlived. Votto grounds out to second.

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati 3rd Inning Summary

- C. Patterson grounded out to second
- J. Keppinger grounded out to third
- B. Phillips singled to left
- J. Votto grounded out to second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

after three complete Milwaukee 3 Reds 1


IBB - P Bako (by D Bush).

Pitches-strikes - E Volquez 43-23; D Bush 40-25.

Ground balls-fly balls - E Volquez 2-3; D Bush 5-4.

Batters faced - E Volquez 10; D Bush 13.

[lollipopcurve]

was waiting for the first potshot at the Dust for Volquez's struggles tonight.

What do I win?

I assume you're on board with Dusty's quest to help EV get twenty wins, all the way up to 120 pitches here in September?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Now, to be fair to Edinson, we've seen this before. Early struggles then settling down for a dominant rest of the game. If I recall correctly, he stated something about if he warms up really well that it doesn't translate to the game or something along those lines.

[Spring~Fields]

What do I win?



I better not say :D

[nate]

Chat is open.

[remdog]

[QUOTE=Spring~Fields;1736693]:lol:

I owe you, that is a couple times this week you made me smile and laugh, when I needed it. :)[/QUOTEY]

Yeah. And that was a couple of times this week that I needed to toss my cookies listening to other teams' announcers. Do these guys ever do any homework?

Somehow, I know the answer to the above question and I have to believe that George, Thom, Marty and the Cowboy are in the same zone. :thumbdown

Rem

[edabbs44]

What do I win?

I assume you're on board with Dusty's quest to help EV get twenty wins, all the way up to 120 pitches here in September?

Not necessarily. Depends on the circumstances.

But everyone is so touchy when it comes to the pithcing. Arroyo was ruined after last year's 120 pitch outing. He seems fine now. Everyone was making plans to donate their elbow ligaments to Harang after the extra inning affair. He seems healthy. Now Volquez is going to be ruined.

[Spring~Fields]

Yeah. And that was a couple of times this week that I needed to toss my cookies listening to other teams' announcers. Do these guys ever do any homework?

Somehow, I know the answer to the above question and I have to believe that George, Thom, Marty and the Cowboy are in the same zone. :thumbdown

Rem

They even get paid good money for it, you know what happens to us when we say or write like they do..........:deadhorse :)

[remdog]

They even get paid good money for it, you know what happens to us when we say or write like they do..........:deadhorse :)


Who? Me!?! Why I've never been chastized here... ;)!!!

Rem

[OnBaseMachine]

Braun has stolen two bases already in this game. Good old Bako.

[Kc61]

Volquez strikes out the side in the third. He threw some serious heat that inning.

[Spring~Fields]

Milwaukee 3rd Inning Summary

- J.J. Hardy struck out swinging
- P. Fielder struck out swinging
- R. Braun stole second
- C. Hart struck out swinging
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

Pitches-strikes - E Volquez 60-34;
Ground balls-fly balls - E Volquez 2-3
Batters faced - E Volquez 14

3-1 Milwaukee

[_Sir_Charles_]

Edwin with a leadoff single. Let's get something going off this guy. Bush should NOT be able to shut ANYBODY down.

[Spring~Fields]

Not necessarily. Depends on the circumstances.

But everyone is so touchy when it comes to the pithcing. Arroyo was ruined after last year's 120 pitch outing. He seems fine now. Everyone was making plans to donate their elbow ligaments to Harang after the extra inning affair. He seems healthy. Now Volquez is going to be ruined.

It has been so long that the Reds had anything that looked promising in the pitching that we probably are a bit sensitive to the risk adversity with the pitchers, I know that I am. We all know that they, the Reds are DOA next year and so forth without the pitching.

[Tony Cloninger]

So he is getting stronger now....does that mean his arm is all better?

I would not have had a problem with him skipping a day....but to say his arm was shot ....well i guess this is going to keep happening whenever he struggles during a start fro here on in.

Keff Keppinger must have reminded those announcers of Dave Chalk or Denny Doyle.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce walks. He's been having some outstanding atbats lately. That's about 10 walks in his last eight+ games.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bruce with some nice patience...draws a walk. 2 on with nobody out.

[OnBaseMachine]

Castillo singles again. Bases loaded and nobody out for Bako.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Yes! Castillo with a single. Bases jacked, nobody out.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Here's where I'd love it if Hanigan were catching tonight. I actually have a bit of faith in his ability to get a hit here. Bako's gonna k. I can just feel it. *shudders*

[Spring~Fields]

Who? Me!?! Why I've never been chastized here... ;)!!!

Rem


Oh that is what they call that out in mild Cali, “chastised” we call it a B kicking or chewing in Ohio :evil:

[OnBaseMachine]

Paul Bako is honestly the worst player I have ever seen. He hits into a 1-2-3 doubleplay. Runners on second and third with two outs for Volquez. Bako is worthless.

[Ltlabner]

Patterson and Bako.

A one-two kick to the nards.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Well, he didn't K....I almost wished he would've. DP.

[RedsManRick]

It's really hard to overstate what a massive black hole Bako and Patterson have been this year. When your team would improve significantly by replacing 2 everyday starters with replacement players, you have a problem. The idea that Bako might be brought back is an insult to paying fans.

[OnBaseMachine]

I'm serious, I've never seen a worst player in my life than Paul Bako. Corey Patterson can play great defense and run. Juan Castro could make a routine play. Paul Bako can't hit, can't run, can't throw, and can't play defense. How in the world does he have a job?

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati 4th Inning Summary

- E. Encarnacion singled to deep center
- J. Bruce walked, E. Encarnacion to second
- W. Castillo singled to right, E. Encarnacion to third, J. Bruce to second
- P. Bako grounded out to catcher, E. Encarnacion out at home, J. Bruce to third, W. Castillo to second
- E. Volquez popped out to first
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 2 Hits, 0 Errors)

I promise I won't mention Bako being Corey's evil hitting twin. ;)

Pitches-strikes - D Bush 54-34

Still Milwaukee 3 Reds 1

[remdog]

Paul Bako is honestly the worst player I have ever seen. He hits into a 1-2-3 doubleplay. Runners on second and third with two outs for Volquez. Bako is worthless.

Yeah, but you've only watching baseball for about 10 years. Believe me, there have been worse players.

Rem

[_Sir_Charles_]

Just pitiful. Pop out to first to end the inning. Bako on this club continues to baffle me. As does the presence of Patterson. I'm really searching for a reason that could somehow explain it. Dusty is NOT an idiot. He does NOT refuse to play rookies over veterans. But does he really think Bako is such an excellent handler of pitchers that he overlooks his defense, his arm, his bat and his intelligence at the plate?

[Ltlabner]

Paul Bako can't hit, can't run, can't throw, and can't play defense. How in the world does he have a job?

Dusty sez: Dude handles the pitchers well.

:oops:

[AmarilloRed]

I'm serious, I've never seen a worst player in my life than Paul Bako. Corey Patterson can play great defense and run. Juan Castro could make a routine play. Paul Bako can't hit, can't run, can't throw, and can't play defense. How in the world does he have a job?

Dusty said he was a great handler of pitchers.:rolleyes:

[Spring~Fields]

It's really hard to overstate what a massive black hole Bako and Patterson have been this year. When your team would improve significantly by replacing 2 everyday starters with replacement players, you have a problem. The idea that Bako might be brought back is an insult to paying fans.

They drive me nuts, I might have had less than 150 posts this year if it hadn't been for those two. :)

[OnBaseMachine]

Volquez has struckout five straight batters and is up to 180 K's on the season. He's still got a solid shot at 200 strikeouts despite going through a stretch where his K's really dropped off.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Dusty said he was a great handler of pitchers.:rolleyes:

And with a rookie pitching I can somehow understand it. But this late in the season, Edinson does not need his hand held. His feet are more than just wet...he's swimming in the deep end of the pool. Same can be said for Johnny. It's time to bench him, dfa him, get a block of wood and freaking hobble him like in Mercy. Just get him out of there and put in Hanigan. Give him every freaking start from here on out.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Volquez has struckout five straight batters and is up to 180 K's on the season. He's still got a solid shot at 200 strikeouts despite going through a stretch where his K's really dropped off.

As I figured...he's settled down and gotten in a groove. But there's still no reason to have him pitch extended innings this late in the year. I'd hope he gets a moderately light load tonight.

[OnBaseMachine]

Where did that 1-2 pitch miss?

[edabbs44]

It has been so long that the Reds had anything that looked promising in the pitching that we probably are a bit sensitive to the risk adversity with the pitchers, I know that I am. We all know that they, the Reds are DOA next year and so forth without the pitching.

Shut Cueto and Volquez down now, then there will be someone next year saying that they need to be shut down during a playoff race (I know, longshot) because they will be over 30 innings more than the previous year.

No matter what, someone is going to have a problem with how the pitchers are being handled. Just a by product of the internet age.

[Spring~Fields]

Milwaukee 4TH Inning Summary

- M. Cameron struck out looking
- C. Counsell struck out swinging
- J. Kendall grounded out to third
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

After 4 complete
IBB - P Bako (by D Bush).

Pitches-strikes - E Volquez 74-44; D Bush 54-34.

Ground balls-fly balls - E Volquez 3-3; D Bush 7-5.

Batters faced - E Volquez 17; D Bush 18.

Still 3-1 Milwaukee


E. Volquez 4.0 3 3 3 2 6 1 3.21

D. Bush 4.0 5 1 1 2 0 0 4.28

[_Sir_Charles_]

Shut Cueto and Volquez down now, then there will be someone next year saying that they need to be shut down during a playoff race (I know, longshot) because they will be over 30 innings more than the previous year.

No matter what, someone is going to have a problem with how the pitchers are being handled. Just a by product of the internet age.

I agree completely. At some point, Dusty HAS to try to stretch out these two thoroughbreds. They've got to learn how to pitch late into the season. But that being said, they also need to be handled more carefully this late in the season than they were earlier.

[OnBaseMachine]

Patterson K's swinging on a 2-2 pitch in the dirt.

[Spring~Fields]

Shut Cueto and Volquez down now, then there will be someone next year saying that they need to be shut down during a playoff race (I know, longshot) because they will be over 30 innings more than the previous year.

No matter what, someone is going to have a problem with how the pitchers are being handled. Just a by product of the internet age.

I see your point and know it is a no win situation that the team is in, as all the teams are with risk etc. It just makes me nervous, it will probably be just fine.

[flyer85]

thanks to Dusty ... Bako and Patterson are the gifts that keep on giving.

[OnBaseMachine]

Phillips grounds back to Bush on the first pitch. It's hard to find a worse 1-2-3 than what the Reds are trotting out there tonight.

[flyer85]

Bako is worthless.said that in the spring. He turned back into a pumpkin 3 months ago. There are ZERO reasons for him playing in Spetember.

[_Sir_Charles_]

3 up 3 down. Bush only at 64 pitches through 5.

[Tony Cloninger]

Brandon Phillips sometimes just looks like he could care less.

[_Sir_Charles_]

said that in the spring. He turned back into a pumpkin 3 months ago. There are ZERO reasons for him playing in Spetember.

Or even in September. :D

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati 5th Inning Summary

- C. Patterson struck out swinging
- J. Keppinger grounded out to second
- B. Phillips grounded out to pitcher
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

Pitches-strikes - D Bush 64-42

[Spring~Fields]

thanks to Dusty ... Bako and Patterson are the gifts that keep on giving.

Yes, and they tell the rest of us that we are suppose to learn from our mistakes. Baker missed that memo.

[flyer85]

Brandon Phillips sometimes just looks like he could care less.Where have they gone? I am their leader, I must find them.

[remdog]

One of the Milwaukee announcers just answered the following question: 'Why do strike out pitchers have such a high pitch count?"

His answer: because they don't have very good control. HUH?

I guess it never occured to him that in order to strike someone out it takes at least 3 pitches but usually more. :eek:

Rem

[OnBaseMachine]

Bako needs to stop calling for the curveball. He obviously doesn't have the command of that pitch tonight yet he continues to throw it and get himself behind in the count.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bush flies out to shallow right and Durham K's.

[Spring~Fields]

One of the Milwaukee announcers just answered the following question: 'Why do strike out pitchers have such a high pitch count?"

His answer: because they don't have very good control. HUH?

I guess it never occured to him that in order to strike someone out it takes at least 3 pitches but usually more. :eek:

Rem

Even I can get that one right :thumbup: I love it.

[OnBaseMachine]

Hardy makes it 4-1 by hammering a 3-1 fastball out of the park. Again, that's what happens when you're constantly working behind in the count.

[Spring~Fields]

Milwaukee end of the 5th Inning Summary

- D. Bush lined out to right
- R. Durham struck out swinging
- J.J. Hardy homered to deep left
- R. Braun struck out swinging
- End of Inning (1 Run, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

Milwaukee 4 Reds 1

Pitches-strikes - E Volquez 95-56;
Ground balls-fly balls - E Volquez 3-4
Batters faced - E Volquez 21

[OnBaseMachine]

Braun K's to end the inning. Volquez has thrown 95 pitches and has labored all night without his stuff...the smart thing would be to pull him but Dusty will send him back out there to labor some more.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Edinson at 95 pitches after 5. I wouldn't mind seeing him shut down for the night right now. At the most, one more inning....at the MOST. Hopefully we'll get some hits here and the pitcher spot comes up for a PH'er.

[OnBaseMachine]

When Volquez is right he's constantly around the knees. Tonight he's been up in the strikezone and has paid for it.

[Spring~Fields]

E. Encarnacion singled to left with the Reds sixth hit tonight, Castillo has two of them and EE two.

I wrote that for WV :sleep:
;)

[OnBaseMachine]

Nice running catch by Cameron to rob Bruce of another double.

[OnBaseMachine]

Castillo hits another sharp line drive but right at Cameron.

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati 6th Inning Summary

- J. Votto grounded out to second
- E. Encarnacion singled to left
- J. Bruce flied out to deep center
- W. Castillo lined out to center
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

Pitches-strikes - D Bush 76-50.

4-1 Brewers

[OnBaseMachine]

Volquez is back out for what will probably be yet another 110+ pitch game.

[Spring~Fields]

9th K for Volquez, Fielder

[OnBaseMachine]

Hart K's. 10th strikeout for Volquez. That's two straight 10+ K games for him.

[remdog]

I would say that Volquez has his 'stuff'. To say outhrwise would be to ignore the facts.

Rem

[_Sir_Charles_]

Make that 10 k's.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I would say that Volquez has his 'stuff'. To say outhrwise would be to ignore the facts.

Rem

He does NOW. Innings 1 & 2...not so much.

[OnBaseMachine]

I would say that Volquez has his 'stuff'. To say outhrwise would be to ignore the facts.

Rem

He's had poor command of everything tonight.

[OnBaseMachine]

There's another case where a decent shortstop makes that play.

[remdog]

He does NOW. Innings 1 & 2...not so much.

K's the side. 11 strikeouts. Other than the HR last inning, he's settled down VERY nicely. But this should be it.


No. He had it then. Sometimes the pitchers win, sometimes the hitters win. Just the way it is.

Rem

[Spring~Fields]

118 pitches for Volquez

Dusty on his way.

[lollipopcurve]

No. He had it then. Sometimes the pitchers win, sometimes the hitters win. Just the way it is.

No, he had no Ks through 2, and they were hitting bullets. He's rebounded well. But Dusty has left him in too long, yet again.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I think we've got different idea of what "stuff" is. He had his velocity...no doubt about that. But he could NOT hit his locations at all.

[remdog]

He's had poor command of everything tonight.

That's obviously not true.

Rem

[OnBaseMachine]

Jeff "the statue" Keppinger allows a two out bloop single to fall in and then Counsell walks. Here comes Lincoln to throw gasoline on the fire. Volquez finished with a ridiculous 119 pitches just five days after throwing 117 pitches. Unbelievable.

[_Sir_Charles_]

That's it for Edinson. 119 pitches. Well, it's far from "abuse", but it's also not handling a pitcher carefully at the end of a long season either.


@ OBM Just curious, what do you consider to be the correct pitch count for a pitcher? Not specifically at the end of a season, just generally.

[OnBaseMachine]

That's obviously not true.

Rem

Yeah, it is true. He's been very wild within the zone tonight. He's had a lot of trouble commanding all three or four of his pitches and has left the ball up in the zone a lot. He's almost always around the knees with his pitches.

[Spring~Fields]

Volquez finished with a ridiculous 119 pitches just five days after throwing 117 pitches. Unbelievable.

That is too much for games that don't matter.

[Spring~Fields]

Due up for the Reds in the top of the 7th

Bako
Assumed pinch hitter for Lincoln
Patterson

Milwaukee 6th Inning Summary

- P. Fielder struck out swinging
- C. Hart struck out swinging
- M. Cameron singled to left center
- M. Cameron to second on passed ball
- C. Counsell walked
- M. Lincoln relieved E. Volquez
- J. Kendall flied out to center
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)



E. Volquez 5.2 5 4 4 3 10 2 3.23


Pitches-strikes - E Volquez 119-70
Ground balls-fly balls - E Volquez 3-4
Batters faced - E Volquez 25

[mbgrayson]

Due up for the Reds in the top of the 7th

Bako
Assumed pinch hitter for Lincoln
Patterson


And the question is "Name the three worst hitters to hit consecutively in a MLB game in 2008....."

[Spring~Fields]

And the question is "Name the three worst hitters to hit consecutively in a MLB game in 2008....."

Give me a hint,

Did it happen more than a few times in 2008 :)

Um the Baker trio ? Bako Hairston and Patterson, let's see how it works out.


Cincinnati 7th Inning Summary

- P. Bako struck out swinging
- J. Hairston Jr. hit for M. Lincoln
- J. Hairston Jr. popped out to left
- C. Patterson grounded out to second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hairston PH'ing for Lincoln. Flies out to Hardy.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Astros beating the Pirates 3-2. Since the beginning of August...Houston is playing at a .722 clip. 26-10. I hate the Astros. :(

[mbgrayson]

And the question is "Name the three worst hitters to hit consecutively in a MLB game in 2008....."
Ahhh shucks. Dusty used Hairston to pinch hit for Lincoln and ruined it....But they did go quickly 1, 2, 3....

But between Bako and Patterson, who ends up with a lower BA?

Bako now at .207, and Patterson at .201....

[Spring~Fields]

Nick Masset in to relieve for the Reds

[_Sir_Charles_]

Masset in replacing Lincoln.

[Tony Cloninger]

These Brewers announcers......the Reds are a dangerous offensive ballclub?....worried about Bush pitch count (He has barely 90)....against this joke of an offense?

I agree that this hitter (Patterson) will show if he stays.....since he is such an easy out...anything less than a 3 pitc h AB even while getting him out would be considered a failure by a pitcher.

[OnBaseMachine]

Tonight was Volquez's sixth 10+ strikeout game of the season and second straight. He's now up to 184 K's on the season and should be a lock for 200 now.

[remdog]

Yeah, it is true. He's been very wild within the zone tonight. He's had a lot of trouble commanding all three or four of his pitches and has left the ball up in the zone a lot. He's almost always around the knees with his pitches.

No, it's not true but you're 21 years old and apparently you know everything. Pitchers often pitch 'up in the zone'. If you've been paying attention you've seen a lot of Reds hitters fall prey to that approach.

Volquez has been 'wild in the zone' but that includes being 'off the plate'. That's the way pitchers are. They don't drill the corners every pitch.

Rem

[Spring~Fields]

Ahhh shucks. Dusty used Hairston to pinch hit for Lincoln and ruined it....But they did go quickly 1, 2, 3....

But between Bako and Patterson, who ends up with a lower BA?

Bako now at .207, and Patterson at .201....

If you go three year stats it might be Bako


Bako .208 .281 .318 .599
Hairston .231 .301 .323 .624
Patterson .254 .291 .393 .684

[Red in Chicago]

No, it's not true but you're 21 years old and apparently you know everything. Pitchers often pitch 'up in the zone'. If you've been paying attention you've seen a lot of Reds hitters fall prey to that approach.

Volquez has been 'wild in the zone' but that includes being 'off the plate'. That's the way pitchers are. They don't drill the corners every pitch.

Rem

ok guys, let's not start insulting one another here.

[Spring~Fields]

Milwaukee 7th Inning Summary

- N. Masset relieved M. Lincoln
- D. Bush grounded out to second
- R. Durham singled to right
- J.J. Hardy grounded into double play second to first, R. Durham out at second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

Milwaukee leads 4 to 1 over the Reds

After 7 complete

Pitches-strikes - E Volquez 119-70; M Lincoln 7-4; N Masset 19-11; D Bush 86-58.

Ground balls-fly balls - E Volquez 3-4; M Lincoln 0-1; N Masset 3-0; D Bush 11-8.

Batters faced - E Volquez 25; M Lincoln 1; N Masset 3; D Bush 28.

[Spring~Fields]

Votto Homers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :):):)

[Matt700wlw]

Volquez threw 119 pitches? In 5.2 innings? Really, Dusty??

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati 8th Inning Summary

- J. Keppinger grounded out to shortstop
- B. Phillips flied out to deep right
- J. Votto homered to deep left
- E. Encarnacion struck out swinging
- End of Inning (1 Run, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

HR - J Votto (19, 8th inning off D Bush 0 on, 2 Out).

Milwaukee 4 Reds 2

Pitches-strikes -D Bush 99-67

[Spring~Fields]

Burton on to relieve ..........we need some relief. ;)

[Spring~Fields]

J. Bruce 1-2 W. Castillo 2-3 P. Bako 0-2

Due up in the top of the ninth for Cincy

Nice work by Burton in relief

Milwaukee 8th Inning Summary

- J. Burton relieved N. Masset
- R. Braun struck out swinging
- P. Fielder grounded out to second
- C. Hart grounded out to third
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

After 8 full

Brewers 4 Reds 2

Lets get them this innings guys.

[_Sir_Charles_]

3 up 3 down for Burton. That looked more like the Burton we've seen most all year.

[Spring~Fields]

3 up 3 down for Burton. That looked more like the Burton we've seen most all year.


Yes good job, he looked good. :thumbup:

[Spring~Fields]

S. Torres relieved D. Bush

Base hit for Bruce

[_Sir_Charles_]

I'd say that Bruce has made that second adjustment to the pitchers. He's been looking VERY good at the plate lately. More selective with the pitches and not chasing NEARLY as much.

[Spring~Fields]

Castillo base hit

first two reach

[_Sir_Charles_]

Castillo with yet another hit. Who is this kid?!?

Dickerson PH'ing for Bako....THANK GOD!

[alloverjr]

Please don't bunt here.

[lollipopcurve]

Castillo showing nicely at the plate tonight.

[mbgrayson]

Dickerson in to pinch hit....

[Spring~Fields]

C. Dickerson hit for P. Bako

[Spring~Fields]

:) Ball 4 to Dickerson,

Base Loaded, no body out...................

[mbgrayson]

i LIKE Dickerson's plate patience!


Bases loaded, none out.

[Matt700wlw]

The plot thickens...Javy to hit with the bases juiced

[_Sir_Charles_]

Dickerson shows patience YET AGAIN. Draws a walk. I've been nothing but impressed with Chris since his call up. Bases loaded with no outs. :O)

[toledodan]

bases loaded 0 outs. can we really blow it again?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Javy PH'ing. K's swinging for the fences.

[Spring~Fields]

Valentin hitting for J. Burton

[Spring~Fields]

The plot thickens...Javy to hit with the bases juiced

I am getting to old for these nail biters........:)

[toledodan]

javy trying to hit one to green bay!

[Spring~Fields]

Valentin strikes out, here comes the over due Patterson, I think he will come through.

[mbgrayson]

Javy swung at two bad pitches there to strike out. A veteran ought to have more patience....ouch.

[toledodan]

javy needs to be let go tuesday. awful AB. patterson now up.

[Wheelhouse]

Valentin without a gameplan whiffs

[Matt700wlw]

Corey will hit. What a joke

[Red in Chicago]

seriously, patterson is batting:rolleyes:

[_Sir_Charles_]

"Now let's see if they hit for Corey Patterson....nope, I don't get it" ~ Marty :O)

[Spring~Fields]

Run scores...........

[_Sir_Charles_]

*passes out from the shock to his system* IF single. 4-3 Brewers. Torres possibly injured.

[Topcat]

Patterson Batting is one of the 100 plus reasons Dusty has to be gone. Wow like seriously wow.

[toledodan]

patterson shuts his eyes and hits one off the pitcher for a infield single. 4-3 brewers with 1 out.

[Wheelhouse]

Patterson Batting is one of the 100 plus reasons Dusty has to be gone. Wow like seriously wow.

WORD

[Spring~Fields]

*passes out from the shock to his system*

:D, glad that clown came through, I was ready to run if he didn't. :)

[Matt700wlw]

Sometimes stupid moves work. However, in Dusty's mind, it was brilliant

[mbgrayson]

Patterson with the infield hit off Torres leg, Reds still down 4-3 with bases loaded.

[Big Klu]

I'm serious, I've never seen a worst player in my life than Paul Bako. Corey Patterson can play great defense and run. Juan Castro could make a routine play. Paul Bako can't hit, can't run, can't throw, and can't play defense. How in the world does he have a job?

IMO, Paul Bako is better than last year's #3 catcher, Chad Moeller. (Of course, I wouldn't want either of them on the club.)



But between Bako and Patterson, who ends up with a lower BA?

Bako now at .207, and Patterson at .201....

I think Bako will finish with the worse BA.

[Spring~Fields]

Base still loaded with one out right ?

Two run double by Keppinger with them at 2nd and third and one out.

:jump:

[mbgrayson]

KEPPPPP!!!!

[Wheelhouse]

AHHHHH COuntry Kepp!

[toledodan]

keppinger 2 run double!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Matt700wlw]

Keppinger!!!!!

[Big Klu]

WTG, Kepp!

Two-run double scores Castillo and Dickerson!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Kepp knocks 2 in! Double off the wall. :O)

2nd & 3rd with 1 out. Phillips up.

[Red in Chicago]

this couldn't happen to a better team...let's hope coco is "on" tonight...

[Spring~Fields]

Phillips and that happy swinging......grrrrrrr:(

[Matt700wlw]

:lol: Phillips. Good lord.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Brandon grounds out on the first pitch. Intentional walk to Votto. Edwin up with the bases jacked, 2 outs.

[mbgrayson]

They walk Votto to re-load the bases. Now EE coming up with two outs and bases loaded.

[Spring~Fields]

Votto intentionally walked

[Red in Chicago]

i don't understand the organist playing the rally music:(

[_Sir_Charles_]

Edwin pops out.

Middle of the 9th, 5-4 Redlegs. Cordero coming in.

[Red in Chicago]

"together again"...

[mbgrayson]

EE pops out to the second baseman.

Bottom of the 9th, Cordero coming in, Reds up 5-4.

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati 9th Inning Summary

- S. Torres relieved D. Bush
- J. Bruce singled to right
- W. Castillo singled to left, J. Bruce to second
- C. Dickerson hit for P. Bako
- C. Dickerson walked, J. Bruce to third, W. Castillo to second
- J. Valentin hit for J. Burton
- J. Valentin struck out swinging
- C. Patterson singled to third, J. Bruce scored, W. Castillo to third, C. Dickerson to second
- J. Keppinger doubled to deep left, W. Castillo and C. Dickerson scored, C. Patterson to third
- B. Phillips grounded out to third
- J. Votto intentionally walked
- E. Encarnacion popped out to right
- End of Inning (3 Runs, 4 Hits, 0 Errors)

Reds 5 Brewers 4

[Tony Cloninger]

Seriously Brandon....you don't want to be here anymore...beacuse that is how you are playing.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Over the past 10 games, this pitiful offense is averaging 7 runs per game. :O) And I simply LOVE the "no give up" attitude of the youngsters being up here.

[Kc61]

Seriously Brandon....you don't want to be here anymore...beacuse that is how you are playing.

EE popped up with the bases loaded. Don't see a lot of criticism there.

C'mon Coco.

[Spring~Fields]

R. Hanigan catching
- C. Dickerson in left field
- F. Cordero relieved J. Burton

[Big Klu]

I agree with Hanigan coming in to catch, but I want to see Castillo behind the plate before the season is over.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cameron flies out to Bruce. 1 down.

[Spring~Fields]

EE popped up with the bases loaded. Don't see a lot of criticism there.

C'mon Coco.

I was thinking it, but did not want to push any further. After a good time comeback

[Matt700wlw]

Bruuuuuuuuuuuce!

[Red in Chicago]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a grab by Bruce

[Tony Cloninger]

More of a critique on Phillips approach to the plate the last few weeks....it has become worse. Worse than even Edwin's is sometimes.

BA is below .180 for the month with an OBP of less than .250....to go along with the .212 avg from August.

He looks bored. Edwin has always looked bored and aloof....and now Phillips looks that way

[Spring~Fields]

Great play by Bruce

[_Sir_Charles_]

Counsell flies out to Bruce yet again, two down. Unbelieavable grab!

[mbgrayson]

Jay Bruce with a great diving catch! Two outs...saved a double or triple....

[Kc61]

Great play by Jay Bruce.

Brewers announcers saying that Votto and Bruce will be in Reds unis for a long time. Hope they're right. Two guys can play.

[Big Klu]

Holy cow! What a catch by Bruce! That would have been at least three bases (or maybe even four) if it had gotten by him!

[_Sir_Charles_]

And this one belongs to the Reds! :O) Lines out to Votto to end the game.


You can say what you want about certain players, but this TEAM is playing MUCH better ball overall since Griffey & Dunn left. Get Bako & Patterson out of there and I could see us really taking off.

[Spring~Fields]

Reds with a comeback win..........Yesssssssssssssssssssssss:)

[Kc61]

More of a critique on Phillips approach to the plate the last few weeks....it has become worse. Worse than even Edwin's is sometimes.

BA is below .180 for the month with an OBP of less than .250....to go along with the .212 avg from August.

He looks bored. Edwin has always looked bored and aloof....and now Phillips looks that way


Don't disagree. But Brandon does still look great in the field.

Reds win. Yay.

[mbgrayson]

And this one belongs to the Reds!

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds are all too comfortable in this spoiler role.... :D

[OnBaseMachine]

No, it's not true but you're 21 years old and apparently you know everything. Pitchers often pitch 'up in the zone'. If you've been paying attention you've seen a lot of Reds hitters fall prey to that approach.

Volquez has been 'wild in the zone' but that includes being 'off the plate'. That's the way pitchers are. They don't drill the corners every pitch.

Rem

Nice cheap shot. Volquez is always at the knees with his pitches. Tonight he was up in the zone more often than not and he had trouble throwing any of his three pitches for strikes = subpar command tonight.

[OnBaseMachine]

What an exciting game this was. Jay Bruce showed tonight why is he viewed as a future superstar. He doubled, walked, singled, and was robbed of extra bases, and also made a great diving catch. Kid can play. And how about Joey Votto? He's having a great rookie season.

[Tony Cloninger]

Yea.....September wins are always the best. :beerme:

Seriously.....it shows good character...especially against contenders.

[Topcat]

What an exciting game this was. Jay Bruce showed tonight why is he viewed as a future superstar. He doubled, walked, singled, and was robbed of extra bases, and also made a great diving catch. Kid can play. And how about Joey Votto? He's having a great rookie season.

I want Joey Votto as a red for a long long time. I know it is a personal Bias but I believe Canadian kids who make it to Majors appreciate it a little more than your common everyday guys. No one will Ever question Joey work ethic , that I am positive on.

[Spring~Fields]

Final 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Cincinnati 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 5 11 0
Milwaukee 1 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 4 6 0


Scoring Summary
Bot 1st: Milwaukee
- P. Fielder grounded out to first, R. Durham scored, R. Braun to third


Top 2nd: Cincinnati
- W. Castillo singled to right, J. Bruce scored, W. Castillo to second advancing on throw


Bot 2nd: Milwaukee
- J. Kendall homered to deep left center, C. Counsell scored


Bot 5th: Milwaukee
- J.J. Hardy homered to deep left


Top 8th: Cincinnati
- J. Votto homered to deep left


Top 9th: Cincinnati
- C. Patterson singled to third, J. Bruce scored, W. Castillo to third, C. Dickerson to second

- J. Keppinger doubled to deep left, W. Castillo and C. Dickerson scored, C. Patterson to third


Batting Cincinnati
2B - J Bruce (15, D Bush); J Keppinger (21, S Torres).

HR - J Votto (19, 8th inning off D Bush 0 on, 2 Out).

RBI - W Castillo (1), J Votto (71), C Patterson (29), J Keppinger 2 (38).

2-out RBI - W Castillo, J Votto.

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - E Encarnacion 2, E Volquez 3.

GIDP - P Bako.

Team LOB - 9.

Fielding
PB - P Bako.

DP - 1 (B Phillips-J Votto).

Batting Milwuakee
2B - R Durham (30, E Volquez).

HR - J Kendall (2, 2nd inning off E Volquez 1 on, 1 Out), J Hardy (23, 5th inning off E Volquez 0 on, 2 Out).

RBI - P Fielder (83), J Kendall 2 (44), J Hardy (69).

2-out RBI - J Hardy.

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - J Kendall 1, C Hart 2.

GIDP - J Hardy.

Team LOB - 4.

Base Running
SB - R Braun 2 (14, 2nd base off E Volquez/P Bako 2).

Fielding
DP - 1 (D Bush-J Kendall-P Fielder).

Pitching


Cincinnati
E. Volquez 5.2 5 4 4 3 10 2 3.23
M. Lincoln 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 4.87
N. Masset 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 2.08
J. Burton 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 2.77 (W, 5-1)
F. Cordero 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3.41 (S, 28)

Milwaukee
D. Bush 8.0 7 2 2 2 3 1 4.23
S. Torres 1.0 4 3 3 2 1 0 2.74 (L, 6-5; BS, 7)


IBB - P Bako (by D Bush), J Votto (by S Torres).

Pitches-strikes - E Volquez 119-70; M Lincoln 7-4; N Masset 19-11; J Burton 9-7; F Cordero 9-6; D Bush 99-67; S Torres 25-13.

Ground balls-fly balls - E Volquez 3-4; M Lincoln 0-1; N Masset 3-0; J Burton 2-0; F Cordero 0-3; D Bush 12-9; S Torres 1-1.

Batters faced - E Volquez 25; M Lincoln 1; N Masset 3; J Burton 3; F Cordero 3; D Bush 32; S Torres 9.

Time: 2:52.
Attendance: 30,867

[HokieRed]

There's just one number there I do not like: 119.

[WVRedsFan]

unbelievably, not a single post from me tonight, but I was here. Just a few observations:

1. Playing Patterson in center with a healthy Chris Dickerson available is a crime of high magnitude. Not only do I not understand it, it's like the old "pictures" joke. Yes, he can field, but that does not make up for the black hole he creates in the batting order, even if he did get a lucky infield hit.

2. Same goes for Bako. If Volquez cannot pitch without having Bako catch him, just trade him now because if anyone has any sense, Bako will not be back next year.

3. The new kid from Arizona seems to be a good pickup--a good bench player, but heck this whole fricking club it seems is made up of bench players.

4. Brandon Phillips is going through the motions. I would seriously see what I could get for him.

5. Add Javier Valentin to the list that includes Bako and Patterson. Really, what is his purpose?

6. Votto and Bruce are the future. Cherish them.

7. It was pleasure to see another closer having a bad night and Cordero having a good one.

8. Keppinger gives up a couple of hits per night with his fielding. To the bench, young man. (Yeah I know he had the gw hit)

9. Volquez threw a lot tonight in a short amount of time. The obsession the Reds have with him getting wins is a little much. btw, someone said it was a lot of pitches for a game that didn't mean anything. I submit to you that to a lot of players on that bench it means something.

10. The Reds are 6-1 lately. If the current winning percentage continues, they would finish 79-83. Not that this going to happen, but wow.

[HokieRed]

1. Does WJ deserve credit yet for the pickup of Masset? Did we see tonight next year's 7, 8, 9 inning guys? Masset to Burton to Cordero?
2. When does Castillo become the everyday catcher? Why isn't he already?

[11larkin11]

1. Does WJ deserve credit yet for the pickup of Masset? Did we see tonight next year's 7, 8, 9 inning guys? Masset to Burton to Cordero?
2. When does Castillo become the everyday catcher? Why isn't he already?

2. For the rest of this month I would have Hanigan at C and Castillo in LF with some starts at C. Give Richar and Janish some starts at SS. Rosales some spot starts around the IF. At this point, I want Castillo-Dickerson-Bruce in the OF and Encarnacion/Rosales-Richar/Janish-Phillips-Votto the rest of the year. You get Rosales and Richar starts when Castillo subs at C.

[OnBaseMachine]

"He wasn't sharp," Reds manager Dusty Baker said of Volquez. "He was throwing balls to the backstop, high, low. That was just a gutsy performance by him. His control was a little off. He battled hard. We tried to again help him get that 17th [win]. It didn't happen, but we got the victory. That's what counts."

"I didn't feel too good. I felt sick," Volquez said. "The first two pitches of the game, I felt dizzy a little bit. I started to see everything dark. It wasn't an excuse. They took good swings tonight."

"Tonight, I was all over the place," Volquez said. "I was so happy we came back to win the game."

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20080908&content_id=3439575&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

[OnBaseMachine]

BTW the Reds are now 7-6 against the Brewers this year and a combined 14-14 against the Brewers and Cubs, the two best teams in the NL Central. They are finished with the Cubs and have two remaining against the Brewers.

[PuffyPig]

unbelievably, not a single post from me tonight, but I was here. Just a few observations:

1. Playing Patterson in center with a healthy Chris Dickerson available is a crime of high magnitude. Not only do I not understand it, it's like the old "pictures" joke.


DIckerson is not complately healthy.