Reds vs D-Backs 9/12/08

[Red in Chicago]

Harang vs Webb

Lineups later tonight

[Red in Chicago]

can someone post lineup. I'm not home yet.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Dickerson, lf
Richar, ss
Votto, 1b
Encarnacion, 3b
Bruce, rf
Castillo, 2b
Patterson, cf
Bako, c
Harang, rhp


Drew, ss
Eckstein, 2b
Young, cf
Dunn, c .... just kidding. lf
Reynolds, 3b
Tracy, 1b
Snyder, c
Upton, rf
Webb, p

[OnBaseMachine]

Lineup:

Dickerson, lf

Richar, ss

Votto, 1b

Encarnacion, 3b

Bruce, rf

Castillo, 2b

Patterson, cf

Bako, c

Harang, rhp

I thought Cueto was scheduled to pitch tonight but it appears he's been pushed back to Sunday.

[Matt700wlw]

Owings should pitch :D

[alloverjr]

OK. Since Dusty values my opinion and reads this site:

Richar at SS - I like.

Patterson and Bako? Seriously? I thought Bako worked with the young guys. That's what made him "special". But the vet's on the mound. And no matter what arm Webb throws with, do we really think these 2 guys are better options than Hanigan and Harriston? Integrity, please.

A question: does Dickerson project to be a CF or corner guy?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Owings should pitch :D

Dusty just now stated...."No, he won't pitch". They're going to give him more time to heal his shoulder. Good.

[Matt700wlw]

I was kidding. Let him hit only for now

[RedsManRick]

And Bako is catching... why? What's today's excuse?

[RedsManRick]

Holy crap. Take a pitch guys -- it won't kill ya.

[CTA513]

5 pitch inning for Webb

[dougdirt]

And Bako is catching... why? What's today's excuse?

He is good with Harang :confused: I just really wish someone would step in and be like look, Hanigan must start at least 4 times a week at catcher.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang throws a 1-2-3 first inning.

[RedsManRick]

Grounder to EE and he sets his feet well and fires a perfect throw to first. He's certainly got the skills -- just needs to be consistent with them.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Considering what people have been saying about Castillo defensively (at Catcher), I wouldn't mind seeing him get a start or two. But he's a switch-hitter that can't hit from one side (can't recall which).

[OnBaseMachine]

EdE begins the inning by hammering a 410 foot flyball that Chris Young tracks down.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wind is REALLY picking up here. But I'm gonna enjoy the Reds game for as long as I've got power tonight.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bruce got ahead 3-0, took a couple borderline strikes, and then popped out.

[Degenerate39]

I'm sorry but I'm rooting for Dunn. I want him to do good but the Reds still win!

[alloverjr]

Maybe I've not paid close enough attention but it looked like EE was holding his hands a little lower, which may make hime quicker to the ball. Maybe something garnered from ED?

[Degenerate39]

I can't get use to Big Dunn in a D-Backs uniform.

[OnBaseMachine]

It feels weird being on the other side of a Dunn atbat. He flies out to Bruce on a 2-2 pitch. Reynolds grounds out.

[OnBaseMachine]

Tracy flies out to Patterson. Six up six down for Harang.

[OnBaseMachine]

Webb K's to end the third inning. Nine up nine down.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Aaron looking sharp...but so's Webb unfortunately.

[Degenerate39]

Who says Dunn can't play Defense

[_Sir_Charles_]

Dunn's getting a workout tonight. Lots of deep drives. No results, but hard hit balls.

[OnBaseMachine]

You just knew that was going to happen. Dunn makes a nice catch to rob Richar of extra bases.

[TheBurn]

Nicely done AD...

[_Sir_Charles_]

Votto walks, Edwin singles. 1st & second, 2 down though.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Jay flies out deep to center to end the inning. No results off of Webb yet, but we do seem to be making solid hard contact. And for some odd reason, fly balls for the most part?

[OnBaseMachine]

-Drew singles
-Eckstein flies out
-Young grounds into fielders choice, Drew out at second
-Young steals 2nd

Dunn up

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn flies out to deep left. Nice catch by Dickerson in foul territory. No score after four innings.

[Matt700wlw]

Wow...Dickerson!

[CTA513]

Reynolds gets a hustle double on what should have been a single to Patterson.

[RedsManRick]

That needs to be a single and an error. I hate crap like that going on the pitcher's record. Patterson is responsible for Reynolds being on 2B.

[OnBaseMachine]

Teams just run all over Bako.

[dougdirt]

Teams just run all over Bako.

But he is a good catcher.

[OnBaseMachine]

Webb K's to end the inning. No score after five.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dickerson is 2-for-3 against Webb.

[dougdirt]

Well that was as predictable as anything I have ever seen.....

[OnBaseMachine]

Dickerson caught stealing on a pitch out. Richar follows with a double to deep right.

[OnBaseMachine]

Votto flies out to the warning track to end the inning. No score after 5 1/2.

[RedsManRick]

Sigh. Stealing bases costs most teams more runs than it generates. Votto's inning ending deep fly is a run scoring sac fly if Dickerson stays put. I HATE running in to outs -- especially when getting on base in the first place is so difficult.

[dougdirt]

Sigh. Stealing bases costs most teams more runs than it generates.

I just wish teams understood that. 90% of them just don't get that.

[dougdirt]

Well, that was easy. 1-0 Dbacks. Eckstein turns an infield single into a 2 base error and scores from third on a single.

[oneupper]

That'll be enough.

[OnBaseMachine]

Just beautiful defense there.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn flies out to deep left.

[CTA513]

Both of these pitchers are lucky they are playing in Arizona and not Cincinnati.

[OnBaseMachine]

Reynolds K's to end the inning. 1-0 D-Backs after six innings.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang's ERA is down to 4.99 now.

[OnBaseMachine]

It's looking like that one unearned run will be enough for Webb. 1-0 after 6 1/2.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang gets two outs to begin the bottom of the 7th.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang throws a 1-2-3 7th inning. 1-0 D-Backs after seven innings.

Harang: 7 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 101 pitches.

I'm sure Dusty will send him back out for another inning.

[OnBaseMachine]

Patterson grounds out to begin the 8th inning. Bako doubles.

[RedsManRick]

Blind Squirrels, nuts, etc. There better be a pinch runner here. You've got catchers to spare and plenty of bench strength.

[OnBaseMachine]

Rosales pinch hits for Harang. Great start by Harang. 0 ER in 7 IP.

[OnBaseMachine]

Rosales K's.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dickerson walks. He's 2-for-3 with a walk tonight.

[OnBaseMachine]

Richar grounds out. 1-0 D-Backs after 7 1/2. Looks like another tough loss for Harang.

[CTA513]

When is Webb a free agent?

[lollipopcurve]

why would Baker not pinch run for Bako there? He was out there for 3 hitters, any of whom could have singled.

[OnBaseMachine]

Votto/EdE/Bruce are due up in the 9th. Hopefully the bullpen can keep this a 1-0 game.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dusty brings in the struggling Jared Burton to pitch the 8th. I guess Roenicke was brought up to be emergency guy in case a game goes into 35 innings.

[RedsManRick]

And error number 3 on the night gives Salazar third base.

[OnBaseMachine]

Salazar pinch hits for Webb.

[OnBaseMachine]

Jared Burton is clearly not healthy right now. I don't understand why they brought him back despite having expanded rosters.

[WVRedsFan]

Burton doesn't seem to have the same velocity or am I seeing things?

[OnBaseMachine]

Burton doesn't seem to have the same velocity or am I seeing things?

You're exactly right. A strained oblique can be rough on a pitcher. The best thing to do IMO would have been to shut him down (like you and I and others suggested) and let him rest up for spring training. He's clearly not at his best right now.

[WVRedsFan]

Burton walks the bases full with Dunn up.

[Matt700wlw]

Dusty brings in the struggling Jared Burton to pitch the 8th. I guess Roenicke was brought up to be emergency guy in case a game goes into 35 innings.

They may as well send some of these callups back down....clearly they can't be upgrades...they're lacking experience.

[Matt700wlw]

Bray coming in

[WVRedsFan]

I haven't read the whole game thread, and it may have already been mentioned, but Marty said he talked to one of the D-Back radio guys and asked them their opinion of Dunn. The response was, "walks a lot, strikes out a lot." Apparently, Dunn's going to face this wherever he goes.

[RedsManRick]

Jared Burton is clearly not healthy right now. I don't understand why they brought him back despite having expanded rosters.

He has experience and experience gets batters out. Duh.

[WVRedsFan]

Bray = not so good tonight.

Typical .

[RedsManRick]

Sweet justice. Dunn walks in a run. Take that Dusty.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dusty Baker is such a poor manager. Just awful. All these extra pitchers and he brings in the injured Burton to give the game away.

[WVRedsFan]

In comes No. 52 in your program and No. 1 in your hearts after Bray walks in a run. RBI for Dunn

[deltachi8]

Why does Dunn insist on clogging the bases?

[Matt700wlw]

Dusty now having to go back to the bullpen multiple times to relieve the experienced guys

[OnBaseMachine]

Bray had Dunn 0-2 and walked him. Good grief. But it shouldn't have come to that. Using Burton there was an awful move.

[OnBaseMachine]

And now he brings Lincoln in. LOL. Why not just send Roenicke home so he can begin his offseason?

[HokieRed]

Bray=1.6+ WHIP. Not part of the long term solution.

[WVRedsFan]

Once again, Reds bullpen can't find the strike zone, nibbling at the corners, down and in the dirt--3rd straight pitcher to do that. Lincoln gets a K by throwing down the middle.

Interesting. 2 down and 2-0.

[RedsManRick]

Paul Bako, catcher extraordinaire. Technically a wild pitch, but if the batter swings at it, you should be able to catch it.

[OnBaseMachine]

Wild pitch/Passed ball makes it 3-0. Nice bullpen management this inning.

[CTA513]

The Reds are giving away free runs tonight.

[alloverjr]

Hey, at least they weren't inexperienced runs.

[WVRedsFan]

Lincoln throws in the dirt again, it gets by Bako and it's 3-0. Game over (as if it wasn't at 1-0)

K to end the inning. When you don't score, it doesn't matter how many the bad guys get I guess.

Take away Harang's error and using a different set of pitchers in the 8th and we could still be scoreless, but we need to score more runs and play better defense against a good pitcher. We didn't.

[WVRedsFan]

Dunn at 1st base. Horror of horrors.

[Matt700wlw]

Somebody needs to remind Dusty why he has extra pitchers at his disposal....

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn at 1st base. Horror of horrors.

Put the children to bed...

[WVRedsFan]

Somebody needs to remind Dusty why he has extra pitchers at his disposal....
Really, it might have been worse with the kids, and he's trying to win as many as he can. Must be some kind of pressure on him to win for some reason. If I were GM and owner, I'd say "let the kids play and let's see what we've got--and under no circumstances do you play Patterson and Bako for any reason."

[WVRedsFan]

1st and 2nd with two out with Corey up. What's the use.

Good bit of hitting by Javier--not enough to keep him, but good nonetheless

[OnBaseMachine]

Patterson reaches on an infield single. Bases loaded with two outs.

[WVRedsFan]

Junk hit for Patterson. Keppinger up with bases loaded. High hopper. Hmmm. Can a miracle happen?

[OnBaseMachine]

I'd rather see Hairston here. Too bad it's not still 1-0.

[dougdirt]

Junk hit for Patterson. Keppinger up with bases loaded. High hopper. Hmmm. Can a miracle happen?

Doubtful.

[OnBaseMachine]

Keppinger takes ball one. Called strike one. Ball two. Foul. 2-2. Singles to RF. 3-2 ballgame.

[WVRedsFan]

Keppinger--2 run single. 3-2. Maybe?
That 8th inning now looks large.

[Matt700wlw]

Hey!!!!

[OnBaseMachine]

Pitching change. Chad Qualls coming in. That passed ball/wild pitch is looking big now.

[OnBaseMachine]

Hairston pinch hitting.

[OnBaseMachine]

Tying run is on third btw.

[OnBaseMachine]

Hairston takes a called strike, ball one, ball two, fouls a borderline pitch, 2-2. Another foul. Swings and missed a pitch that bounces in front of the plate. What an awful swing.

Reds lose 3-2.

[WVRedsFan]

Hairston swings on a pitch in the dirt. K. In the end, poor defense and pitching lost this one. Sounds errily familiar.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice. In the dirt

[OnBaseMachine]

Hairston swings on a pitch in the dirt. K. In the end, poor defense and pitching lost this one. Sounds errily familiar.

Actually poor defense and offense lost this one. Anytime you allow just three runs you should win. Of course better bullpen management would have been nice.

[Matt700wlw]

Glad the experience couldn't get it done for the second straight game. That inexperience could have hurt

[WVRedsFan]

You know the loss doesn't matter much in the whole scheme of things, but you have to look at the the difference in the two teams. Those pitches the DB pitcher was throwing were't that much different in what Burton, Bray, and Lincoln were throwing. The only difference was the D-Backs weren't swinging at those pitches while the Reds hitters were suckers for those pitches. Maybe that's the wrong word, I don't know, but the result is the same.

[WVRedsFan]

Actually poor defense and offense lost this one. Anytime you allow just three runs you should win. Of course better bullpen management would have been nice.

To be honest, I don't know what I would have done, but you expect Burton and Bray to be better (and that's a stretch because Burton is not himself and Bray is typical Bray--on and off). Throw the kids in there and there's a good chance that it all blows up in your face. The problem is deciding if you want to plan for 2009 or win this season. Apparently, the mantra thrown down is to win now.

Aaron Harang deserves better, but it was by his hand that we lose the game. How ironic.

[Matt700wlw]

To be honest, I don't know what I would have done, but you expect Burton and Bray to be better (and that's a stretch because Burton is not himself and Bray is typical Bray--on and off). Throw the kids in there and there's a good chance that it all blows up in your face. The problem is deciding if you want to plan for 2009 or win this season. .

Win what this season?

[CTA513]

I'm guessing Lyon is going to lose his closing job after the way he has pitched lately.

[OnBaseMachine]

The Dodgers won 7-2 in Colorado so the D-Backs remain 3.5 back with 16 games remaining.

[WVRedsFan]

Win what this season?

Beats me. You figure it out, i can't. What other explanation is there?

[CTA513]

Harang this month: 0 Wins - 2 Loses, 2.70 ERA, 20 Innings, 15 Hits, 6 Earned Runs, 6 BB, 13 Ks

[Topcat]

I haven't read the whole game thread, and it may have already been mentioned, but Marty said he talked to one of the D-Back radio guys and asked them their opinion of Dunn. The response was, "walks a lot, strikes out a lot." Apparently, Dunn's going to face this wherever he goes.

Not to be a jerk but what part of that statement is no accurate. His >ops is spectacular but is is truly based on Home runs and walks. That is a fact and I love Adam Dunn and he would be on my go to war team 25 man roster. But it is a true fact.

[Topcat]

Dusty yet again in a season lost rides "his" horses hoping the vets can find the light. Dusty wise the damn up it is a season lost , now it is audition time! Try the rising kids and gauge there level now! Ceaper rookies will allow higher acquisitions you dimwit!


Hated the signing and so wish Pete Mack was still running this show. Bob C god knows your opening the wallet but Jesus man ! Analyze the future a vet manager is the last thing you need to run this team. Simply put hire a guy who plays the talewnt and looks at the big picture going forward.

This team is way better than there record and I blame Dusty . The man is a car wreck and this game yet again is an indictment on his Managerial skills.

[Matt700wlw]

Beats me. You figure it out, i can't. What other explanation is there?

I have nothing.

[Ltlabner]

Jared Burton is clearly not healthy right now. I don't understand why they brought him back despite having expanded rosters.

All about the integtrity man.

[Ltlabner]

Sweet justice. Dunn walks in a run. Take that Dusty.

Wait a sec.

I thought walks were useless because they didn't move the runner over and result in runs?

[Tony Cloninger]

Don't know why Webb was even removed....I know 100 pitches is the magical number for several people but to me ...with this shaky AZ bullpen.....i would have kept him out there.

It stinks that he continues to play patterson and bako...but at least he played Richar and castillo.