2009 UK Basketball Thread - Part III

[dabvu2498]

Nothing is a sure thing when it comes to recruiting. I figure you two would have learned that by now. And so, no answer to my original question?

[WMR]

I have. That was the jist of my comment. I don't believe much of anything until they hold a press conference with a formal announcement. Even then it doesn't mean much until they suit up for practice in the fall.

Everything in this thread at this point of the season is more or less idle chatter as far as I'm concerned. As a diehard Kentucky fan, it's fun to speculate on who might be playing for the big blue in the fall but that's about as far as I'll go until they sign their LOI.

[WMR]

And so, no answer to my original question?

I just forgot about Dennis.

As far as Orton... I really think he'll end up at Kansas.

[BRM]

Everything in this thread at this point of the season is more or less idle chatter as far as I'm concerned. As a diehard Kentucky fan, it's fun to speculate on who might be playing for the big blue in the fall but that's about as far as I'll go until they sign their LOI.

I hear ya. It's fun to speculate IMO.


I just forgot about Dennis.

As far as Orton... I really think he'll end up at Kansas.

Really? Orton to Kansas? Seems like a lot of guys are ultimately deciding between UK and KU.

[dabvu2498]

Everything in this thread at this point of the season is more or less idle chatter as far as I'm concerned. As a diehard Kentucky fan, it's fun to speculate on who might be playing for the big blue in the fall but that's about as far as I'll go until they sign their LOI. Except that Tucker will be the starting pg and Henry is better than Meeks. Those are absolutes. ;)

[WMR]

Except that Tucker will be the starting pg and Henry is better than Meeks. Those are absolutes. ;)

LOL.

a) Never said that Konner would be the starting PG at UK

b) Henry IS better than Meeks :p:

[WMR]

I hear ya. It's fun to speculate IMO.



Really? Orton to Kansas? Seems like a lot of guys are ultimately deciding between UK and KU.

Yeah Kansas is going to have a sick class.

I think Stephenson will go to KU and Henry will go to UK. Just a hunch.

[WMR]

Also: Supposedly Henry and Orton aren't too fond of one another... something happened on one of their AAU circuits or something. Most seem to think that they won't end up at the same school.

[dabvu2498]

LOL. a) Never said that Konner would be the starting PG at UK b) Henry IS better than Meeks :p: ok So it was only "best hope" for a pg. http://www.redszone.com/showpost.php?p=1814966&postcount=937

[WMR]

ok So it was only "best hope" for a pg. http://www.redszone.com/showpost.php?p=1814966&postcount=937

Your link's not coming up.

[dabvu2498]

Your link's not coming up. Yeah. I can't edit or cut and paste from my phone. Check the 1st UK thread, post 937. Or find the first "Konner Tucker" post.

[WMR]

Yeah. I can't edit or cut and paste from my phone. Check the 1st UK thread, post 937. Or find the first "Konner Tucker" post.

There's a good chance he would've been the best hope.

[dabvu2498]

There's a good chance he would've been the best hope. Scary.

[BRM]

b) Henry IS better than Meeks :p:

You need to ease up on the Natty Light. It's starting to rot your brain. :p:

[WMR]

You need to ease up on the Natty Light. It's starting to rot your brain. :p:

I don't drink that crap!

[BRM]

I don't drink that crap!

What? I thought it was your beverage of choice???

[WMR]

What? I thought it was your beverage of choice???

LOL. In college maybe. :D

[Blimpie]

I don't drink that crap!http://joesixpack.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/frank-booth.jpg

[WMR]

http://joesixpack.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/frank-booth.jpg

:lol:

ahahahah great film

[Reds4Life]

Bledsoe skipped his visit to UK yesterday. Reports say he visited UC instead.

[WVRed]

It sounded like a sure thing, but so have alot of things lately.

I kinda think Cal is playing a wait and see with Dennis.

If Xavier and CJ come to Kentucky, then there won't be any room for Dennis. Same with John Wall and waiting on Eric Bledsoe.

It's basically do you want one year of Wall and Henry, or two to three years of Dennis and Bledsoe.

[WVRed]

Also: Supposedly Henry and Orton aren't too fond of one another... something happened on one of their AAU circuits or something. Most seem to think that they won't end up at the same school.

I had heard that too.

I'm going to predict Kentucky gets the Henry's and Wall, but loses Orton.

Orton and Lance Stephenson will go to Kansas.

Again, just a prediction. I really don't know if I want another big or a wing player more.

[WMR]

Definitely a wing. We're going to be spoiled for choice with big men (although I'd love to have Orton, no doubt).

[dabvu2498]

Definitely a wing. We're going to be spoiled for choice with big men (although I'd love to have Orton, no doubt). No question. That wing rotation looks a bit thin without an addition. Meeks, Miller, Harris, Hood, Galloway. Compare to Patterson, Cousins, Stevenson, Pilgrim.

[WMR]

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=14&cfg=bb&yr=2009

Class rankings as of right now by Scout.

Still counts Orton. Doesn't count the possibility of Henry, Wall, Dennis etc. etc.

Hoosiers 11th ... Little Brother 22nd.

[BRM]

I've seen the Hoosiers class ranked as high as 5th or 6th. Can't remember where though.

[WMR]

I've seen the Hoosiers class ranked as high as 5th or 6th. Can't remember where though.

www.hoosierfan.com?

[BRM]

www.hoosierfan.com (http://www.hoosierfan.com)?

:laugh:

Somewhere in the vicinity of 10th sounds about right, honestly. I think that's where most pubs have them.

[WVRed]

Dear God,

Thank you for putting Bruce Pearl at Tennessee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx3cmeLhEcg&feature=player_embedded

[BRM]

ESPN has IU 8th and UK 9th in their class rankings. Rivals had the IU class in the top 5 over the winter but that's not the case anymore.

[WMR]

Dear God,

Thank you for putting Bruce Pearl at Tennessee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx3cmeLhEcg&feature=player_embedded

hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa

what a clown! lol

[WMR]

ESPN has IU 8th and UK 9th in their class rankings. Rivals had the IU class in the top 5 over the winter but that's not the case anymore.

I would say this even if--when--they have UK ranked higher, ESPN is the absolute worst place to get any sort of recruit information or class rankings. You can tell that recruiting isn't their primary business.

[BRM]

I would say this even if--when--they have UK ranked higher, ESPN is the absolute worst place to get any sort of recruit information or class rankings. You can tell that recruiting isn't their primary business.

Agreed. It's just one of the few places that isn't blocked that I can go to. So I thought I'd throw it out there. Class rankings mean very little anyway but they are fun to look at.

[WMR]

Agreed. It's just one of the few places that isn't blocked that I can go to. So I thought I'd throw it out there. Class rankings mean very little anyway but they are fun to look at.

Very, very true. Agree that they don't mean much.

[Hoosier Red]

Agreed. It's just one of the few places that isn't blocked that I can go to. So I thought I'd throw it out there. Class rankings mean very little anyway but they are fun to look at.

One thing I really like is how balanced IU's class is, 1 PG, 1 SG, 1 SF, 2 PF, and 1 C.

[WVRed]

One thing I really like is how balanced IU's class is, 1 PG, 1 SG, 1 SF, 2 PF, and 1 C.

Maurice Creek is the only IU recruit I had heard of.

[BRM]

Maurice Creek is the only IU recruit I had heard of.

Well, I doubt you follow IU recruiting all that closely so that's not surprising.

[WVRed]

Cal was on Dan Patrick earlier today and made a few comments:


– Calipari said he hopes new Memphis coach Josh Pastner can keep all of his players. Calipari understands kids come to play for a coach, but hopes his former program does well. And he said that if he talks to any of the Memphis players he’ll tell them to stay put.

– Calipari said he told Kentucky that he has taken four years to build a program in the past and he’ll need that in Lexington.

– Dan was honest with Calipari and told him that he thought he took the job at Kentucky that he wanted to “eat at the big boys table.” Calipari said that there might be something to that. Calipari said if he didn’t take this job now, he might not get another chance.

– Dan asked Calipari about his relationship with Louisville coach Rick Pitino. “We’re not best of friends,” Calipari said. “But we’ve known each other for a long time.” Calipari thanked Pitino for helping him get certain jobs in the past. Calipari said he’s not sure his team is ready to play Louisville yet. He apparently has drawn some fire for saying “don’t make a big deal out of the Louisville game” Calipari said that doesn’t want to make too big a deal of any one game.

– Calipari said he has no problems with Jodie Meeks and other players testing the NBA waters. Calipari just warned that the NBA doesn’t change its mind, so if you’re having a bad workout, be careful.

The Louisville comment doesn't bother me so much, as much as I think the stakes in this game will be a LOT higher with Cal at the helm. The rivalry has sizzled up a couple of notches as a result and with Kentucky likely getting some big time recruits this could be the best time to take down Little Brother U.

Cal is also going to be on ESPNU at 3:00. Xavier Henry and John Wall are supposed to be on as well.

[BRM]

Memphis fans are getting restless. From Memphis Roar, discussing the two JUCO's from Miami-Dade Community College - Darnell Dodson and Will Coleman.



According to Dan Wolken on The Memphis Edge, he believes that there is a good possibility that John Calipari may be or will be involved with these two if this does indeed happen.

“The question now is whether John Calipari would try to get involved (or if he already is). The answer is most likely yes. What Calipari has been telling people close to him is that he is worried he might win 15 or 16 games at Kentucky next year after seeing the lack of talent in that program. Whether he really believes that or not, he’s clearly laying the groundwork for a player-grab, even if it comes at the expense of his former assistant.”

So here’s the deal. As a Memphis fan, you MUST resist the urge to let this eat you up. Remain positive. We debated putting up an article on this mainly because there is such a need for positive press for Memphis basketball right now, and this is only the opposite. This is far from over. You can bet that Pastner will be fighting like heck to try to keep these two guys. If they leave, it had nothing to do with Pastner. If they stay, it had EVERYTHING to do with him.

* To add an interesting side-note to this story, Gary Parrish of CBS Sports reported this morning on his weekly radio spot that he has been told from industry sources that Calipari is actively recruiting Darnell Dodson and Will Coleman to the University of Kentucky. Remember, both of these guys are still signed with the University of Memphis. No release has been granted on these guys.

[dabvu2498]

Well, I doubt you follow IU recruiting all that closely so that's not surprising. Most of IU's guys have been sewn up for a while too, haven't they? I know Copacabana has been anyway.

[BRM]

Most of IU's guys have been sewn up for a while too, haven't they? I know Copacabana has been anyway.

Yes they have. I think nearly all of them committed way back early in the season.

[Puffy]

According to Dan Wolken on The Memphis Edge, he believes that there is a good possibility that John Calipari may be or will be involved with these two if this does indeed happen.

“The question now is whether John Calipari would try to get involved (or if he already is). The answer is most likely yes. What Calipari has been telling people close to him is that he is worried he might win 15 or 16 games at Kentucky next year after seeing the lack of talent in that program. Whether he really believes that or not, he’s clearly laying the groundwork for a player-grab, even if it comes at the expense of his former assistant.”

So here’s the deal. As a Memphis fan, you MUST resist the urge to let this eat you up. Remain positive. We debated putting up an article on this mainly because there is such a need for positive press for Memphis basketball right now, and this is only the opposite. This is far from over. You can bet that Pastner will be fighting like heck to try to keep these two guys. If they leave, it had nothing to do with Pastner. If they stay, it had EVERYTHING to do with him.

* To add an interesting side-note to this story, Gary Parrish of CBS Sports reported this morning on his weekly radio spot that he has been told from industry sources that Calipari is actively recruiting Darnell Dodson and Will Coleman to the University of Kentucky. Remember, both of these guys are still signed with the University of Memphis. No release has been granted on these guys.

Question for you guys - if UK is the big-time favorite to end up with Cousins (signed), either Orton or Henry (and with Henry I imagine comes his brother), and Wall, plus Meeks coming back (he is a second rounder at best from what I have read thus far), plus whoever else some of you guys have claimed UK is the favorites for, how is Cal still going after Juco's? How many spots can UK possibly have?

[WMR]

Question for you guys - if UK is the big-time favorite to end up with Cousins (signed), either Orton or Henry (and with Henry I imagine comes his brother), and Wall, plus Meeks coming back (he is a second rounder at best from what I have read thus far), plus whoever else some of you guys have claimed UK is the favorites for, how is Cal still going after Juco's? How many spots can UK possibly have?

Yeah I don't see how Cal could possibly offer these guys unless he is planning on a MUCH MUCH bigger housecleaning than anyone anticipated. I'm talking getting rid of incoming seniors.

Xavier's brother will be a walk-on, however. The Phillies are paying for his college education.

[BRM]

Xavier Henry and John Wall were both on an ESPN Chat today.

Check it out:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=25978

[jmac]

If the signing period starts wednesday, when will any roster openings take place? Any ideas?
I am actually speaking of scholarships.

[BRM]

I found these two answers interesting from Xavier. For some reason, I thought the NCAA had already ruled on C.J. but apparently they haven't.



Brian (Chicago): Will you wait to hear from the NCAA on CJ's status next year before making a decision?

http://a.espncdn.com/i/sn2.gif Xavier Henry: Yeah. CJ's a big part of my decision. I'm waiting to hear about him before I decide where I'm going.




Ryan (Lexington, KY): How much does Jodie Meek's decision to stay in the draft or come back next year affect your opinion of coming to UK? Could you all play well together?

http://a.espncdn.com/i/sn2.gif Xavier Henry: That would. That changed the team and the whole outlook of the team. I'd have to look at that if he decides to stay in or play at Kentucky. We'd have to talk about it.

[dabvu2498]

I found these two answers interesting from Xavier. For some reason, I thought the NCAA had already ruled on C.J. but apparently they haven't. Does his quote mean he wants Meeks to stay or go? I mean, they do play 2 wings don't they? Plenty of shots to go around!

[BRM]

Does his quote mean he wants Meeks to stay or go? I mean, they do play 2 wings don't they? Plenty of shots to go around!

That's why I thought it was interesting. I couldn't decipher whether he wanted him to stay or go either. Did you see Wall's answer to the question "what is the most important factor for you in making your college decision"? Being close to home was listed first.

[dabvu2498]

That's why I thought it was interesting. I couldn't decipher whether he wanted him to stay or go either. Did you see Wall's answer to the question "what is the most important factor for you in making your college decision"? Being close to home was listed first. Ahh... More reasons to hate the recruiting mumbo jumbo. I am not too concerned with what Wall said. I think that kid just likes to stis the pot... and maybe that both oars aren't in the water all the time.

[BRM]

Ahh... More reasons to hate the recruiting mumbo jumbo. I am not too concerned with what Wall said. I think that kid just likes to stis the pot... and maybe that both oars aren't in the water all the time.

I know. I thought it was an interesting comment but I don't believe much of anything a recruit says either. Same for coaches most of the time. Just like when Cal said "Memphis is where I want to coach". He was taking the UK job a few days later. It's all mumbo jumbo.

[Puffy]

There is talk now that Wall could attempt to go pro. He will be 19 soon and that part makes him draft eligible. He does not fulfill the second part (out of high school for one year) but Word of God is not an accredited school, so this could be a test case.

I agree with what dabvu says, Wall likes being in spotlight so I don't think there is a rush for him to decide one way or another (although April 25 is college to pro draft eligibility day...)

[WMR]

I was talking to a guy who works in the Phoenix Suns organization and he told me that they are aware of this situation and fully expect Wall to be in college next year.

A couple reasons:

1) The NBA and the Player's Association DO NOT want this rule to be circumvented in this manner. The chances of Wall's case being endorsed by either side is slim to nil. They are trying to move in the OTHER direction and add a year, not give high school players an "out" if they are 5th year seniors or something.

2) Wall and Wall's people don't want to enter into the NBA under an already adversarial position with David Stern. Stern is a strong, strong commissioner.

Just what I was told and it makes sense to me.

[Puffy]

Yeah, I don't think he is going to do that either - just saying there is talk.

I "expect" him to end up at Kentucky with Cousins, but you guys have already told me I don't know what I'm talking about with respect to anything else, so what do I know.

[WMR]

Yeah, I don't think he is going to do that either - just saying there is talk.

I "expect" him to end up at Kentucky with Cousins, but you guys have already told me I don't know what I'm talking about with respect to anything else, so what do I know.

My Lord Puffy are you going to whine about that until the end of perpetuity? :p:

I get made fun of every day in here.

Lighten up a little, buddy. :beerme:

[dabvu2498]

Yeah, I don't think he is going to do that either - just saying there is talk. I "expect" him to end up at Kentucky with Cousins, but you guys have already told me I don't know what I'm talking about with respect to anything else, so what do I know. The more I hear from and about Wall, the more I'm wishing they'd pursued Bledsoe a bit harder.

[WMR]

Perhaps the noise about Xavier and Daniel not liking each other is just that ... noise.

http://feeds.newsok.tv/services/player/bcpid1766638491?bctid=1668486996

[macro]

The more I hear from and about Wall, the more I'm wishing they'd pursued Bledsoe a bit harder.

They still can, right? This is from last week:

http://ukbasketball.bloginky.com/2009/04/09/bledsoe-keeps-running-into-wall/


Bledsoe, who is from Birmingham, Ala., said Kentucky could move into a prime position. “Just start recruiting me (harder),” he said.

[dabvu2498]

They still can, right? This is from last week: http://ukbasketball.bloginky.com/2009/04/09/bledsoe-keeps-running-into-wall/ He skipped his official visit to UK this weekend and went to UC instead. Not a good sign.

[macro]

Oh, okay. Never mind, then.

Where does it leave them if they get neither Wall nor Bledsoe? Outside the Top 25 in the polls once again?

[WVRed]

Yeah, I don't think he is going to do that either - just saying there is talk.

I "expect" him to end up at Kentucky with Cousins, but you guys have already told me I don't know what I'm talking about with respect to anything else, so what do I know.

IMO, the longer it drags out, the better it is for UNC and Duke.

Of course, the longer Xavier Henry takes his time, the better it is for Kentucky.

[WVRed]

Oh, okay. Never mind, then.

Where does it leave them if they get neither Wall nor Bledsoe? Outside the Top 25 in the polls once again?

My biggest fear is that we end up with neither and Liggins fails to qualify academically. Then we have Kevin Galloway running the point with no depth behind him. Nolan Dennis would have to be the next option.

[WMR]

My biggest fear is that we end up with neither and Liggins fails to qualify academically. Then we have Kevin Galloway running the point with no depth behind him. Nolan Dennis would have to be the next option.

:laugh:

That's not going to happen.

Jesus, UK fans have become the most pessimistic people on Earth the past few years. :lol:

[WMR]

He skipped his official visit to UK this weekend and went to UC instead. Not a good sign.

There's a great story there about Mick Cronin. :D

[dabvu2498]

:laugh: That's not going to happen. Jesus, UK fans have become the most pessimistic people on Earth the past few years. :lol: But it could happen. They could potentially have a starting backcourt of Galloway, Miller, and Harris. Could. Could. Could. Not likely, but could.

[WMR]

But it could happen. They could potentially have a starting backcourt of Galloway, Miller, and Harris. Could. Could. Could. Not likely, but could.

There's a reason Calipari has cooled on Bledsoe.

It can't happen. Won't happen. This ain't Cal's first rodeo.

[macro]

:laugh:

That's not going to happen.

Jesus, UK fans have become the most pessimistic people on Earth the past few years. :lol:

12-14 losses per year will do that. :D

[WVRed]

Who is willing to bet that Billy Gillispie would never do this?

http://www.amnews.com/public_html/?module=displaystory&story_id=49431&format=html


Vaught's Views: Calipari supports Meeks, Patterson, but hopes to coach them next year

By LARRY VAUGHT
[email protected]

LEXINGTON -- John Calipari would like to coach Jodie Meeks and Patrick Patterson.

Who wouldn’t?

Meeks led the Southeastern Conference in scoring last year at almost 25 points per game and was one of nation’s top 3-point and free throw shooters. Patterson is a brute inside who averaged almost a double-double -- 17.9 points, 9.3 rebounds -- per game.

Add a couple of star recruits to those returning players and Kentucky could go from playing in the NIT this season to a top 15 team going into next season.

Yet Calipari was sincere Wednesday when he said he fully embraced both players putting their name into the NBA draft to see what market value they have, especially since neither is hiring an agent to safeguard their collegiate eligibility.

“I think both he (Patterson) and Jodie should go for it. I have talked to them about the process. Obviously, I lived it. I drafted players in the NBA. I know what can hurt them, so I am going to talk to them about it,” said Calipari, a former head coach with the NBA’s New Jersey Nets.

“I hope I get a chance to coach them. I think they have improved themselves in their position, but they have to do what is right for them and their families. That’s why I said you have to go about recruiting not really knowing who is here and who is not. That is going to be a yearly thing for us I believe.”

A yearly thing? At Kentucky?

Now won’t that be a change.

It got to that point when Rick Pitino had the Big Blue rolling and players like Antoine Walker and Ron Mercer left early for the NBA.

Tubby Smith had players leave -- Rajon Rondo, Kelenna Azubuike, Randolph Morris -- but he never embraced their decisions. Instead, Smith eventually chose to quit recruiting players he thought might leave early in their careers.

Calipari doesn’t mind players leaving. If anything, he’s all for it and that’s why he wants UK fans to understand an early departure to the NBA is not a bad thing.

“If those two choose to go now, I will be all for them. I will be disappointed because I want to coach them, but none of us should be mad,” Calipari said before Wednesday’s practice. “This is about a decision they make for themselves and their family.

“I am going to tell all you folks (in the media) sitting here. Every year we are going to be doing this. There is going to be a guy in here for one year and he’s going to make that decision.

“Don’t be mad. Be happy for him and his family and we will go get another guy that may only stay one year. Then we will have guys stay for four years and then go on to pro careers hopefully or careers otherwise.”

Think Calipari knew highly-touted, and unsigned, recruits John Wall, Xavier Henry and DeMarcus Cousins might read those comments since all three hope to be one-and-done players at the college level?

It’s not like Calipari is pushing Meeks and Patterson out the door.

“I think they are talented. They have a chance (to be drafted),” he said.

However, he said both need to evaluate where they will be drafted because the higher they are chosen, the better odds they have of staying in the league.

“When you start talking later in the draft or second round, there’s just a small, small percentage that make it,” Calipari said.

He says both will avoid pre-draft camps in Chicago and Orlando because he’s seen players play there, decide to return to college and never overcome the impression they made on NBA personnel then.

“They (NBA personnel) will never change their minds. I can say that because I drafted players (for the New Jersey Nets). You do not want to put yourself out there like that,” Calipari said.

The new UK coach pushed both players in Wednesday’s practice. He made Meeks do the same fullcourt drill three times to open practice. However, when he went through a drill “with the game on the line,” he called Meeks from the back of the line to the court to take the imaginary game-winning shot.

He also challenged Patterson’s ballhandling and running.

“What I am saying to Patrick right now is that I want him to play like he’s a guard. If the game is on the line, where is he going to be? He is going to be right there next to the basket. I told him that. In the interim, you can’t be that size and play in that league standing under the basket. You can’t do it,” Calipari said.

The coach had new T-shirts made for his players honoring Meeks’ 54-point game at Tennessee in January. The blue practice shirts were a reminder to players of the performance they witnessed.

“Jodie is one of the great people I have been around. Not only that, he is an unbelievable leader,” Calipari said. “He has the ability to shoot and make free throws. When you have the ability to beat people on the bounce and just go, his game is going to ... He could be a lottery pick.”

And the first of many lottery picks that Calipari wants to bring to Kentucky.

Copyright:The Advocate-Messenger 2009

[WMR]

Cal is THE MAN.

[TeamSelig]

Anyone else tired of waiting for the recruits? Just wish Wall and Henry would sign already.

[WMR]

Anyone else tired of waiting for the recruits? Just wish Wall and Henry would sign already.

Yeah I wish I had a sackful of hundred dollar bills too. :D

[WVRed]

Anyone else tired of waiting for the recruits? Just wish Wall and Henry would sign already.

This should make you feel better.

http://ukbasketball.bloginky.com/


Heralded wing prospect Xavier Henry and his brother C.J. plan to visit UK the weekend of April 25-26, the players’ father said on Wednesday.
Xavier (pronounced Za-vee-a) signed with Memphis. C.J. was a walk-on with the Tigers last season.
UK is the only school the brothers will visit, Carl Henry said. They have already seen the other two schools on their list, Kansas (their parents’ alma mater) and Memphis.
“If it was me, I don’t need to look (at UK), if I want to play for Coach Calipari,” the players’ father said. “They want to see the campus. They’ve heard a lot about it.”Carl Henry sounded anxious to finish the recruiting process. When asked if the visit should be interpreted as UK as the leader, he said. “If it as me, definitely. My sons change their minds all the time.”

[WMR]

My Lord, if we DID happen to get Wall, Henry, and Orton to go along with Cousins and Hood, would that be the best recruiting class ever?

You've got 4 guys there who are pretty much locks to play in the league, with 3 of them extremely likely to be lottery picks.

[dabvu2498]

My Lord, if we DID happen to get Wall, Henry, and Orton to go along with Cousins and Hood, would that be the best recruiting class ever? You've got 4 guys there who are pretty much locks to play in the league, with 3 of them extremely likely to be lottery picks. I would really like to judge the quality of the recruiting class based on how they perform in college rather than where they get drafted. That said, unlikely anyone will ever top 91 Michigan. Though their validity is dubious at best. 06 UNC also looks pretty good.

[WMR]

I would really like to judge the quality of the recruiting class based on how they perform in college rather than where they get drafted. That said, unlikely anyone will ever top 91 Michigan. Though their validity is dubious at best. 06 UNC also looks pretty good.

I agree on ultimately judging them on how they perform in college. Was just using that as a handy/easy way to discuss their potential as of right now.

[macro]

Yeah I wish I had a sackful of hundred dollar bills too. :D

Oh, come on now, WilyMo. You could take some of that John Deere money out of the bank and have you a sackful of hundred dollar bills tomorrow if you wanted.

;)

[WMR]

Oh, come on now, WilyMo. You could take some of that John Deere money out of the bank and have you a sackful of hundred dollar bills tomorrow if you wanted.

;)

LOL!!

You must be thinking of my old man. :lol:

[cumberlandreds]

Who is willing to bet that Billy Gillispie would never do this?

http://www.amnews.com/public_html/?module=displaystory&story_id=49431&format=html

The LHL is sating that NIKE had these shirts made and they were delivered to UK a couple of days after Meeks 54 point game. They sat in boxes all this time because BG wouldn't give them out.


When asked why the shirts sat boxed and undisturbed in UK's Joe Craft Center for three months, Nike representative Martin Newton said, "You'd have to ask Billy Gillispie about that."

Gillispie could not be reached for comment.

http://www.kentucky.com/818/story/762652.html

[cincrazy]

My Lord, if we DID happen to get Wall, Henry, and Orton to go along with Cousins and Hood, would that be the best recruiting class ever?

You've got 4 guys there who are pretty much locks to play in the league, with 3 of them extremely likely to be lottery picks.

Oden, Conley, Cook, Lighty :thumbup:

[dabvu2498]

Oden, Conley, Cook, Lighty :thumbup: The 2nd best class of 2006.

[WVRed]

The LHL is sating that NIKE had these shirts made and they were delivered to UK a couple of days after Meeks 54 point game. They sat in boxes all this time because BG wouldn't give them out.


When asked why the shirts sat boxed and undisturbed in UK's Joe Craft Center for three months, Nike representative Martin Newton said, "You'd have to ask Billy Gillispie about that."

Gillispie could not be reached for comment.

http://www.kentucky.com/818/story/762652.html

This is only giving more and more validation to what I speculated about the rift between Gillispie and Meeks.

I don't know if it was because Gillispie wanted to be recognized for the coaching glory or if he was trying to fight to keep his own job (which could be debatable even with the hot start in SEC play at the time), but this is really sad IMO.

[WVRed]

I watched the South Atlanta-LeFore game on one of the ESPN's last night. Gotta say that Cousins is the real deal.

Think Antoine Walker but a much better inside presence and more athletic. Can be an effective post player but can also bury it from deep as well.

[BRM]

Since most of the John Wall discussion has taken place in this thread, I'll place this Gary Parrish column here.



Don't eliminate the Wall-to-NBA talk just yet
Posted on: April 15, 2009 11:01 pm
Edited on: April 16, 2009 12:48 am

John Wall told Rivals.com on Wednesday that he will not enter the 2009 NBA Draft.

"I'm going to school for one or two years and trying to win a national championship," Wall said, and that might mean something if I hadn't spent years listening to one lottery pick after another swear they were putting off NBA riches only to reverse course a few weeks later. Mike Conley and Jonny Flynn come to mind, just off the top of my head.

So no, I do not believe this Wall-to-the-NBA story is over.

Not yet, regardless of what anybody says -- and the reason is because of Wall's 13-point, 11-assist, five-steal performance in Sunday's Nike Hoops Summit that made NBA people start to ask why the nation's top-rated point guard isn't seriously considering the NBA Draft given that there seems to be a loophole that would allow him to enter despite the fact that he's still technically a high school player.

According to the age-limit rule, an American-born player can be eligible for the draft if the player is at least 19 years old during the calendar year of the draft, plus one NBA season removed from his high school graduation or one NBA season removed from the date on which he should've graduated high school. Nobody is disputing that Wall is already 19, and sources have confirmed to CBSSports.com that he began high school in August 2004, meaning Wall should've graduated in May 2008, i.e., before this NBA season began. In other words, if Wall applied for the draft the NBA might really have to approve his application, and even if the organization initially fought Wall's inclusion industry sources believe there isn't a decent attorney who couldn't win a lawsuit based on the ambiguity of the rule.

Asked if he could imagine a scenario under which Wall's application for the NBA Draft would be denied, Sonny Vaccaro, a longtime person of influence in the sport, answered quickly. "No," Vaccaro told CBSSports.com on Wednesday night. "I'm going to say 'No' because I'm reading the rule."

Vaccaro said he has spoken with "a number" of NBA scouts in the past three days.

"They've all told me (Wall) would go in the top eight," Vaccaro said. "Nobody has said he'd go lower than eight."

Wall is now in New York preparing for Saturday's Jordan Brand Classic.

At tip-off, rest assured there will be many interested viewers.

"Somebody from every lottery team will be there," Vaccaro said. "There is no question in my mind."

Worth noting: The eighth pick in this NBA Draft will receive a guaranteed two-year contract worth roughly $4.3 million.

[WVRed]

Some more news and notes:


Maggard is reporting that Cal has scheduled a trip to Birmingham to meet with Eric Bledsoe.

StraitPinkie is reporting that Nolan Dennis is no longer considering UK. Could be an indicator regarding H2. Maggard has also said UK would not offer Dennis anyways.

Scott Padgett and Tony Delk have been hired to the UK staff. They are not assistant coaches, but will serve in some capacity. This is according to Dave Baker and WKYT.

[BRM]

From an ESPN article on Henry:



Here's what Henry had to say about his finalists.

Kansas: "It's only a four and a half hour drive from Oklahoma City, my brother originally committed there out of high school before signing a professional baseball contract and I know the Kansas tradition through my mom and dad. When my dad received a DVD of their 2008 National Championship season, I watched it 50 times; it gave me chills," he said.

Kentucky: "I don't know anything about the program's history, but I do know Calipari is the coach. Cal has a feel for building a program. He makes you already feel a part of the program and wants you to succeed. He'll tell you honestly if you are ready for the NBA."

[WMR]

Saying he wanted to help them launch coaching careers, new UK coach John Calipari on Thursday said he would hire former Wildcat players Tony Delk and Scott Padgett.

"I've done this many times. What happens is with guys like that, they're in positions of assistant strength coach or assistant equipment manager," Calipari said.

Delk is a former Wildcat All-American, who was a 1st-round draft pick of the Hornets in 1996. Delk was instrumental in helping the Wildcats to an NCAA championship in 1996.

Padgett was drafted in the 1st-round by the Utah Jazz in 1999, after leading Tubby Smith's Wildcats to the 1998 NCAA title.

"This is not a money thing," Calipari said. "If you want to get started in this profession, I will help you."

The new coach also said he will have 4-5 guys around every year who want to get into the coaching profession.

I love this guy. I especially love bringing in Delk. He's perhaps my favorite Wildcat that I can clearly remember.

[dabvu2498]

Cal really is the anti-Billy.

[dabvu2498]

Some more news and notes: Maggard is reporting that Cal has scheduled a trip to Birmingham to meet with Eric Bledsoe. Wait a minute! I thought this can not/would not happen. :dunno:

[WMR]

Wait a minute! I thought this can not/would not happen. :dunno:

T.I.C.

[dabvu2498]

T.I.C. Huh? I am dumm.

[WMR]

Huh? I am dumm.

Trust In Cal.

That was always my point. If he cools on a kid, there's a reason. Maybe he'll turn the heat up again later, maybe he won't.

My advice to UK fans is to not overthink the recruiting process and just enjoy the ride. Cal will make the best decisions for UK.

[dabvu2498]

Trust In Cal. That was always my point. If he cools on a kid, there's a reason. Maybe he'll turn the heat up again later, maybe he won't. My advice to UK fans is to not overthink the recruiting process and just enjoy the ride. Cal will make the best decisions for UK. . Just out of curiousity then, why would you say the other day that it can't/wouldn't happen?

[WMR]

. Just out of curiousity then, why would you say the other day that it can't/wouldn't happen?

I said that us not ending up with a PG can't/wouldn't happen under Cal.

[BRM]

My advice to UK fans is to not overthink the recruiting process and just enjoy the ride. Cal will make the best decisions for UK.

The bolded part is good advice for all fans of college sports. Fans of every team should do just that.

[dabvu2498]

I see. I misunderstood this quote to mean Bledsoe couldn't/wouldn't happen.
There's a reason Calipari has cooled on Bledsoe. It can't happen. Won't happen. This ain't Cal's first rodeo.

[WMR]

I see. I misunderstood this quote to mean Bledsoe couldn't/wouldn't happen.

Gotcha. I understand how that could have been misconstrued.

[BRM]

Gotcha. I understand how that could have been misconstrued.

Yeah, you are pretty easily misunderstood...

[WMR]

The bolded part is good advice for all fans of college sports. Fans of every team should do just that.

This is true.

I must admit, however, that I haven't felt this "settled" with the Kentucky basketball program in over a decade.

I'm honestly not worried about any particular recruit coming or not coming to UK.

Cal will get us the players who are meant to be here.

[WMR]

Yeah, you are pretty easily misunderstood...

Some folks work harder to misunderstand me than others. :p:

[WVRed]

Cal has a new home:

http://www.cbrichmond.com/mlsdetails.asp?ML_Number=714381&Address=1732+Richmond+Rd+Lexington%2C+KY+40502

http://www.kentucky.com/181/story/763457.html


The University of Kentucky's new high-profile men's basketball coach probably will be living in an equally high-profile house.

Coach John Calipari has signed a contract for a mega mansion at 1732 Richmond Road, plus the vacant lot next door, according to owner Garry Milton.

Milton, a builder and real estate investor, declined to say what Calipari is paying, but the recent asking price was $2,295,000 for the home and $550,000 for the vacant lot. The house, which has been on the market for more than a year, was valued at $2.2 million in 2008 for tax purposes.

Milton said Calipari is buying the house directly from him and did not go through a Realtor.

Calipari was not immediately available for comment. "We don't have any information about that at this time," said UK athletics spokesman John Hayden.

Milton built the house and moved into it with his family in 2006. Located on a block of other imposing houses, this one has nearly 10,000 square feet of living space, with an additional 1,000 over a three-car garage.

Interior designer Lynn Pedigo, hired to draw plans for the Italianate-style residence, said in an interview while the house was under construction in 2004 that the Miltons wanted "something that fit in with the rest of the houses in the block," to look as if it had been there for 50 or 60 years.

Calipari looked at the house several weeks ago. Milton did not meet him that day. "They requested no one be here," he said.

Milton is not sure how his house came to the attention of the coach, who is moving from Memphis with his family. "I guess he just saw the For Sale sign. Or someone told him about it," he said.

The property also is listed on the Lexington-Bluegrass Association of Realtors' multiple listing service Web site. "He could have seen it on his computer in Memphis," Milton said.

Milton said the coach plans to build a fence around the adjoining vacant lot. "By having that additional space, it will really set this house off. That's going to be nice," he said.

Neighbor Joe Jones, a retired UK Spanish professor who lives three doors away, said, "we're always delighted to have new neighbors.

"We have a very active neighborhood association. We'll be happy to have the coach added to a group of neighbors on Richmond Road," he said.

Jones added that "it will be an interesting experience to have a celebrity on the block."

I should mention the first link has pictures of the house and a virtual walkthrough.

[dabvu2498]

Cal has a new home: http://www.cbrichmond.com/mlsdetails.asp?ML_Number=714381&Address=1732+Richmond+Rd+Lexington%2C+KY+40502 http://www.kentucky.com/181/story/763457.html I should mention the first link has pictures of the house and a virtual walkthrough. Looks like a real shack.

[WVRed]

Looks like a real shack.

Here is Gillispie's by comparison:

http://thenastyboys.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/gillispies-new-pad/

http://thenastyboys.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/bcghouse.jpg?w=484&h=300

Some of the amenities of the Texan’s new ranch are as follows:


12,000 square feet
6 bedrooms
8 bathrooms
3 half-baths
2 garages
A full theater
A cabana room
A weight room
A wet bar
A library
A wine cellar

[WVRed]

And Pitino's

http://lexington.craigslist.org/reb/1100357514.html

This home is the most outstanding renovation in Lexington (Renovated in 2003-2005) and sits on a treed cul-de-sac lot in McMeekin. This stately Georgian home features the finest materials from around the world, skilled craftsmanship, and a world-class design team to create an elegant home that is extremely livable. The many special features include Leininger cabinetry, Amish rift sawn white oak floors with brass inlay, outstanding Calcutta marble and granite throughout, first floor Master Suite with two Full Baths, solid walnut doors, Theatre Room, Exercise Room plus Inground Pool and Pool House and lavish landscaping surrounding this impressive home.

http://media.reliancenetwork.com/dyna_images/mls/4200/901252.jpg

http://media.reliancenetwork.com/dyna_images/mls/4200/901252/901252-02-alt.jpg

[WMR]

Does Pitino still have his Lexington residence?

[WMR]

Also: I wonder if Billy's house is on the market yet?

[HBP]

Here is Gillispie's by comparison:

Some of the amenities of the Texan’s new ranch are as follows:


12,000 square feet
6 bedrooms
8 bathrooms
3 half-baths
2 garages
A full theater
A cabana room
A weight room
A wet bar
A library
A wine cellar


Well that's surprising :beerme:

[WVRed]

Does Pitino still have his Lexington residence?

See the link. It was purchased by a realtor and redecorated. It is in Tates Creek, actually.

As for Gillispie's, no clue. I couldn't find Tubby's house either.

[WMR]

See the link. It was purchased by a realtor and redecorated. It is in Tates Creek, actually.

As for Gillispie's, no clue. I couldn't find Tubby's house either.

Gotcha.

You know Tates Creek is in Lexington, right?

[WVRed]

Gotcha.

You know Tates Creek is in Lexington, right?

Of course, I lived in Kentucky for 18 years.:)

[WMR]

Of course, I lived in Kentucky for 18 years.:)

Okay. Was just making sure. I thought you were correcting me when I asked if Rick still had his Lexington home by typing that it's actually in Tates Creek.

[WVRed]

And to make it official, Orton is for sure coming next season per ZagsBlog.

[WMR]

And to make it official, Orton is for sure coming next season per ZagsBlog.

Lordy, Lordy. :D

[WMR]

Can you post that link please, WV?

[WMR]

Found it: http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/16/cousins-orton-thinking-final-4-at-kentucky/

God it's good to be a Wildcat fan.

[WVRed]

Here is some info from DaveKersey from TBK regarding the former players:


As you know, both Scott and Tony have been hired on in some capacity. More than likely they will be monitoring the current players and just make it known that they are there for them, both on and off the court.

Sam Bowie dropped in today and chatted with Cal for a few minutes.

Nazr and Tayshaun, as well as others not mentioned by name but who were former players, called Calipari and encouraged him to come to UK.

Now, Tayshaun is pumped. He's going to hold a summer camp for bballers in Lexington this year. Don't know the date or format yet.

I wouldn't doubt that we'll see Chuck show up one of these days.

Coach is really reaching out to the former Cats, a refreshing change.

Also, and this may have been already reported here, I don't read every post. But Cal asked the Kfund for a list of the top twenty donors to the program. He wants to call each and every one to introduce himself. How's that for changing the face of things?

EDIT: Something I forgot to add. Calipari is extending an offer for all UK NBAers to come to Lexington for the summer and use the UK facilities all they want.

[WMR]

Cal is doing EVERYTHING right so far.

I really, really love the way that he is reaching out to the UK bball alumni. I love the idea of Rondo or Tayshaun or Keith or Joe (etc. etc.) coming to the Craft Center this summer to play games, work-out, shoot around, or just hang out.

Kentucky's tradition is part of what makes the program so special.

[WMR]

Wall reiterated that North Carolina was not on his list.
“Carolina’s not really on my list,” he said. “I talked to Roy [Williams] before he went to the Final Four and I haven’t talked to him since then so I don’t know where that’s going.”

Lots of people seem convinced that Wall to UK is going to happen. The situation at UK would certainly be ideal for him.

[WMR]

Coach Cal Show on now. http://all-access.cbssports.com/player.html?code=kty&media=113538

[dabvu2498]

Cal's 1st caller was Josephine from Perry County. Classic!

[WMR]

Major news: Talking to Crean about getting UK/IU back to Louisville and Indianapolis in alternate years.

Would also like to get a game in Cincinnati (UK's 3rd biggest alumni base after Lexington and Louisville).

[dabvu2498]

Major news: Talking to Crean about getting UK/IU back to Louisville and Indianapolis in alternate years. Would also like to get a game in Cincinnati (UK's 3rd biggest alumni base after Lexington and Louisville). Too bad they would have to play in the old Riverfront Arena. That place blows. Of course, so does Freedom Hall.

[WMR]

Too bad they would have to play in the old Riverfront Arena. That place blows. Of course, so does Freedom Hall.

Are you talking about in Cincinnati? Why couldn't they play in that one arena next to GABP?

[dabvu2498]

Are you talking about in Cincinnati? Why couldn't they play in that one arena next to GABP? Yeah. That place is a dump. Especially the behind the scenes areas. Locker rooms, etc. are awful.

[WMR]

Yeah. That place is a dump. Especially the behind the scenes areas. Locker rooms, etc. are awful.

Really. Didn't know that. It looks quite nice from the outside.

What about the Cintas Center?

[jmac]

I dont know if anyone here heard it but Calapari had a special edition radio show tonight with Tom Leach. I was traveling and in and out of car so I didnt get to hear it all.
Anyway, a caller asked about Orton/Cousins playing together with PP if he decides to come back.
He said he "could" play them all at same time and said ideal lineup that he would "like" to have on floor was 6-10,6-10 ,6-8, 6-5, 6-6.

Also in time I heard it, he seems to be really a conversationalist. First few callers, he was asking them things before they could ask questions.
Nice change ! :thumbup:

[jmac]

Coach Cal Show on now. http://all-access.cbssports.com/player.html?code=kty&media=113538

Sorry WMR, I read over this and missed this post.

[dabvu2498]

Really. Didn't know that. It looks quite nice from the outside. What about the Cintas Center? Only if they actually played X. X doesn't rent it out very often. And that place only holds 10k. Downtown is around 16k.

[Boston Red]

Yes, Xavier would be thrilled to host UK at Cintas. UK could just have running home and homes with UC and Xavier, visiting each in alternating years.

Somehow, I don't think that's what UK has in mind.

[dabvu2498]

Yes, Xavier would be thrilled to host UK at Cintas. UK could just have running home and homes with UC and Xavier, visiting each in alternating years. Somehow, I don't think that's what UK has in mind. Me either. And I doubt if they would want to invite UD to play downtown either. That didn't work out for UK or Louisville.

[dabvu2498]

You know what wouldn't be a bad idea? Playing an exhibition game every year at NKU. Wonder how much revenue they would lose by giving away an exhibition game. They would make it up quickly in goodwill in the northern part of the state an the Cincy area.

[joshnky]

Too bad they would have to play in the old Riverfront Arena. That place blows. Of course, so does Freedom Hall.

The new arena will be ready in Louisville for the 2010 season.

[WVRed]

Interesting comments by Eaves:

http://michaeleaves.blogspot.com/


In his first few days on the job, John Calipari has been conducting practices at the Craft Center. The workouts have two primary purposes: 1) to see which players can actually play and which would be better suited playing elsewhere and 2) to improve the image of the program with the fans, former players and boosters.

If Coach Cal is anything, he is demanding. He wants everyone of his players to be the best they can possibly be, and if he feels they aren't doing what's necessary to reach that goal, he will do whatever is necessary to motivate them. Sometimes that motivation is a pat on the back. Other times it's a kick in the ass.

UK senior-to-be Perry Stevenson recently experienced the latter. During a practice drill, Calipari called out Stevenson for his lack of strength and told him that it would DEFINITELY change before next season.

That comment solicited some concealed laughter from some former UK players in attendance because it reminded them of Rick Pitino. Back in the 90's, such a statement usually meant some long, grueling hours in the weight room with Rock Oliver.

Hearing what Calipari said to Stevenson reminded me of what players such as Henry Thomas, Andre Riddick, Aminu Timberlake and Walter McCarty had to endure in an attempt to pack on the pounds.

The sight of those guys going to McDonald's in the morning and being forced to down 3 or 4 Egg McMuffins along with two orders of pancakes and a 2,000 calorie protein shake used to make me cringe. It would only get worse as the day wore on with their special servings of lunch and dinner at the training table. The day would not be complete without their nightcap of another 2,000 calorie protein shake. It was enough gluttony to make even Brad Pitt throw up.

And it's those memories that would make me feel a little sorry for Perry Stevenson if it weren't for the fact that he should have been in the weight room 3 years ago. Even if you have difficulty putting on weight, as Thomas, Riddick, Timberlake and McCarty did, you can always get stronger.

Much was made about Billy Gillispie alienating so many people around the UK program the last two years--something that was not lost on Kentucky's new coach. While holding these practices, Calipari has extended invites to watch the workouts to various people in the community. If you were fortunate enough to make it into one of these practices, you might see anyone from WKYT General Manager Wayne Martin and WDKY morning anchor Jennifer Nime to former UK Standout Kyle Macy and Claiborne Farm President Seth Hancock.

Calipari's attempt to repair fractured relationships seems to be working quite well, and Hancock is a perfect example. He is said to be so impressed with Calipari and the way he has handled himself in his first few days as UK's coach that Hancock wants to be involved with the program again after distancing himself the last couple of years. And that's great news to Calipari and Mitch Barnhart.

If Kentucky is to race back up the standings to the top of the college basketball world, it would certainly help to have a thoroughbred of a booster in your stable!

[WVRed]

Wonder if Mama Legion saw this one coming:

http://www.dailyillini.com/sports/basketball/mens-basketball/2009/04/16/legion-arrested-for-driving-on-suspended-license


Illinois basketball player Alex Legion was arrested Monday night for driving on a suspended license.

An Illinois Department of Intercollegiate Athletics official said Legion’s license was suspended because of an unpaid moving violation ticket in Michigan. Legion is a native of Detroit.

The DIA official also said head coach Bruce Weber is aware of the incident and that discipline will be handled internally.

The Daily Illini learned of the incident Monday from witnesses who said Legion was pulled over near Fifth and Green streets in Champaign around 11 p.m. on Monday. The Champaign County Sheriff’s Office confirmed the arrest Thursday afternoon.

Illinois State’s Attorney Julia Rietz confirmed Legion was ticketed for driving on a suspended license, which is a class A misdemeanor. The charge carries up to a year in jail, but Rietz noted that with this charge, Legion may avoid jail and instead receive a fine or community service. Legion’s court date is set for May 4, and he does not yet have an attorney.

The reason for pulling Legion over is not known by The Daily Illini at this time. Connie Huddleston of the criminal records department of the Champaign County Sheriff’s Office said a Freedom of Information Act request must be filed to receive that information.

The 20-year-old was released from police custody after the arrest and appeared in the Ultimate Basketball Challenge at Huff Hall on Wednesday night.

Legion, a 6-foot-5 sophomore guard, averaged 11.1 minutes per game and 3.5 points per game for the Illini in 2008-09. Legion transferred to Illinois from Kentucky during the 2007-08 season.

Meghan Montemurro and Cody Westerlund contributed to this report.

[dabvu2498]

Wonder if Mama Legion saw this one coming: http://www.dailyillini.com/sports/basketball/mens-basketball/2009/04/16/legion-arrested-for-driving-on-suspended-license I drove on a suspended license for about 6 months once. Asked my wife to write a check for a ticket and she forgot about it/threw it away. For a DUS around here he would have to pay about 200 bucks and go through the process of getting his license reinstated, which is the real punishment. If it was a DUS after a DUI, it would be a whole other matter.

[WVRed]

I don't remember if I posted this earlier or not, but the blog that I posted earlier by Michael Eaves needs to be bookmarked. There is a lot of good information on there, and most of it should be payworthy but is done for free.

[WMR]

Alex Tyus is transferring from Florida. That's the second defection from their front court in the last week or so. Tyus averaged 12 ppg as a soph. Big loss for the Gators.

[WVRed]

Alex Tyus is transferring from Florida. That's the second defection from their front court in the last week or so. Tyus averaged 12 ppg as a soph. Big loss for the Gators.

I'm going to guess and say he is heading to UC.

[WVRed]

Glenn Cyprien hired by Memphis per Matt Jones.

[TeamSelig]

Just read that Calipari stated that he's talking to 8 of the top 10 recruits for the 2010 season.

[WVRed]

Just read that Calipari stated that he's talking to 8 of the top 10 recruits for the 2010 season.

That was from yesterday's call in show. Check out KSR and it should be on there.

Gator nation seems to be imploding. Makes me wonder if Donovan is losing control.

http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090417/COLUMNISTS/904179950/1044?Title=Is-Billy-D-losing-control-or-taking-control-


Is Billy D losing control or taking control?

By Pat Dooley
Columnist


Published: Friday, April 17, 2009 at 1:56 p.m.
Last Modified: Friday, April 17, 2009 at 1:56 p.m.
There is a lot of grumbling in the Gator Nation and it has nothing to do with injured lineman, Tim Tebow under center or the price of season tickets.

Instead, the e-mails have been rolling in about the state of the basketball program. Judging by the NIT attendance, I didn't think you cared. But obviously you do.

The news that Alex Tyus is leaving in the wake of Allan Chaney's departure and the almost-certain jump by Nick Calathes to the next level (and by next level I mean Panathinaikos in the Greek League), the question has to be asked.

Is Billy Donovan losing control of his program?

Or is he taking control?

Players leaving the Florida program is nothing new. It has been a constant in Donovan's tenure. I made the point in March that Walter Hodge is only the 12th Donovan signee to play four years at Florida. That's a low number, but fans have taken the approach that it's just the way it is in college basketball and Donovan has had so much success he has managed to overcome the exodus.

But when you follow up back-to-back national titles with back-to-back NITs and players start to leave, eyebrows and voices are raised.

Last summer I had a conversation with Florida's best basketball coach ever (and let us not forget that), and he said he felt like after the Oh-Fours left he was building a program from scratch. So is he starting all over again now with what appears to be two starters and a backup bolting?

There is no question that — like a lot of coaches — Donovan isn't for every player. He can be tough to play for if your skin is not thick. He makes it a habit to criticize players to the media when they under-perform.

He has a vision for what a player should become and how he fits in and when that player doesn't. When it's a square peg into a round hole, Donovan tends to part ways with that player. There is also the new culture of sports, the culture I call Backup Quarterback Syndrome. Backup quarterbacks with overbearing fathers have set the tone for taking their ball and going somewhere else these days and it has become just as big a problem in basketball.

Jai Lucas isn't going to start at the point? Bye.

Athletes in today's sports world almost always over-value themselves. They are pampered so much in high school that when they get to college and the coach who was sweet-talking them in the recruiting process starts screaming at them to PLAY SOME DEFENSE OR YOU'RE GOING TO BE SITTING NEXT TO ME they sulk and pout.

Which brings us back to the question so many of you have asked me — what in the heck is going on with the basketball program?

I say, be patient.

There are a lot of things that have gone wrong the last two years. Florida basketball fans are not entitled to what happened in 2006 and '07 any more than Red Sox fans are now entitled to the World Series every year because of recent success. Donovan deserves a pass — a long pass — for what he has done at UF. And he's out there trying to fix the problem he created with some recruiting mistakes.

Now, there are those of you who believe paying a coach more than $3 million a year entitles the university to a Final Four every other year. You should know better. Donovan is making what he is because of what he has done, not because of what he will do. He is making that money because that was his market value when the NBA came calling. He is making that money because Florida can pay it without blinking.

This isn't about how much he's making. It's about getting this thing straightened out.

Be patient. He's out there busting his hump trying to bring you a better team than what he has produced the last two years.

Remember a few weeks ago how you felt when the bogus story broke that Billy was going to Kentucky. Don't let go of that feeling. Florida is lucky to have Donovan. And nobody knows better than he does that he needs to crank it up.

Donovan's 14th season will be a very important one for him and this program. Momentum has come to a crawl. The league has been toughened by the new coaching hires.

Let's see what Donovan does. The Gator Nation is watching. At least until football season starts.

[WVRed]

And speaking of Florida, Richard Pitino (Rick Jr.) has been hired as an assistant coach. Gives him a better shot of getting into a head coaching job, IMO.

There is talk that Manhattan head coach Barry Rohrssen is likely to be the choice to replace Josh Pastner and would serve as an associate head coach. He served in the same capacity at Pittsburgh and set up a pipeline from NYC to Pitt.

Some more info:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_406728.html


"Dick Weiss, the renowned college basketball writer for the New York Daily News, called Rohrssen "the coach with the biggest recruiting impact in the city of New York and on Long Island."

Ahead of Jim Calhoun. Ahead of Rick Pitino. Ahead of Jay Wright, Jim Boeheim and others.

"He opened doors for the Panthers to be a top 10 program," Weiss wrote.

Rohrssen also works closely with Pitt's post players, including junior center Aaron Gray, who is fast-developing into an NBA prospect.

"Barry has been an integral part of the success of this program," Pitt coach Jamie Dixon said. "He has a great coaching background, is a good recruiter with outstanding contacts and has an understanding of how we run our program." "

[WMR]

MM had this a week ago.

He'd be a GREAT candidate.

Awesome recruiter.

[WVRed]

Another Pitino rumor:

http://michaeleaves.blogspot.com/


After telling two of UK's biggest boosters a few weeks ago that he would not feel comfortable leaving Louisville and going back to UK, it appears that Rick Pitino could possibly end up being the new coach of the Atlanta Hawks.


A high-ranking NBA official told me today that the decision-makers in the Hawks front office want to replace Mike Woodson with Pitino.


I tried to confirm this story with someone in Pitino's circle or on his staff. I got two responses. One person said it was news to him. The other said that it's a rumor that's definitely out there, but that it is not true. If it is true, there is great incentive for Pitino's people to dispel such an idea until after the Hawks season concludes. However, it is also fair to state that Pitino has not held any direct talks with anyone from the Hawks organization. Plus, even if he were to talk to someone in Atlanta, it doesn't necessarily mean he would take the job.


Such a move would be somewhat curious on both sides actually. Woodson has done a very respectable job with a roster full of young talent--with particular emphasis on "young." After taking the eventual champion Celtics to a 7th game in the first round last year, Atlanta came back this season and earned the 4th seed in the East by posting a record of 47-35.


But for whatever reason, it seems as though Woodson has been on his way out for the past two seasons. In fact, many people around the league believe that it was the Hawks strong first round playoff showing that saved his job last year. And if Atlanta were to knock off Dwayne Wade and the 5th-seeded Heat in the first round this season, it would make replacing Woodson over the summer even more difficult.

As far as Pitino is concerned, I am sure many people would be shocked to hear that he would even consider going back to the NBA after what happened in Boston. Or better yet, some might wonder why another NBA team would even give him a shot to coach again in the league. As I have said before, trying to figure out what motivates Coach P might require a PhD in psychology.


I have also learned that no decision should surprise you when it comes to Corporate America. There have been many good people who lost their job simply because someone above them didn't like them personally or how they went about their job, regardless of the results.


Pitino might look at another opportunity in the NBA as a means to redeem his last venture into the league. Remember, he guided the Knicks to the playoffs. So, it's not like he can't coach professional players. It just didn't work out in Boston for a couple of reasons.


1) Despite having the worst record in the league that previous season, the Celtics did not win the Draft Lottery. So instead of getting the obvious number one pick that year, Boston had to watch Tim Duncan head to San Antonio, where he would eventually win three NBA titles.


2) Pitino had too many former UK players on his roster. The tactics he used to motivate guys at Kentucky did not fly once those guys were A) making more money than him and B) did not need him to re-up their scholarship every year.


I am sure UK fans will have a field day with the possibility of Pitino leaving Louisville for the NBA. Some will say that Pitino is scared of John Calipari because he knows he would be the underdog in any recruiting battle between the two rival programs. I think "scared" is a bit too strong of a word, but I do know that Pitino and his staff realize their work on the recruiting trail will now have to step up considerably.


Speaking of recruiting, I guess this is as good a place as any to throw in this little tidbit, especially since it relates directly to Louisville. The word around many league offices is that elite 2010 UofL recruit Jeremy Tyler wants to follow Brandon Jennings' road to the NBA. Instead of going to college for one season, several league execs believe that Tyler will go play professionally in Europe for one season before entering the 2011 NBA Draft.


I am not sure if Pitino and his staff are aware of this belief, but if they are, maybe that's another reason he would want to get out of the college game and go back to the NBA. The paychecks are definitely more, and the headaches are definitely less.

I could see Cal going back to the NBA before Pitino, just to try the DDM offense. I think every owner has the "Larry Bird is not walking through that door" speech etched in their minds and how Pitino could not motivate the multimillionaires. It's one thing for college, but the NBA is another

[improbus]

Motion offense + NBA = 27 wins

[Blimpie]

The Pitino to ATL rumor might gain some legs now that "Little Ricky" has bolted to join Donovan in Gainesville.

[Hoosier Red]

Life as an NBA coach has to be something. Mike Woodson has done nothing but take over a previously moribund franchise and make the playoffs for the first time in about a decade. Take the NBA champs as far as any other team. Improve on the season the next year, moving from 8th to 4th in the conference, and sorry Mr. Trump would like to see you in his office.

[Reds4Life]

I'm not sure why Pitino would want to go back to the NBA. Tried it, and didn't work out. The guy is a hall of famer at the college level, I just don't see the point in going down that road again.

[dabvu2498]

I'm not sure why Pitino would want to go back to the NBA. Tried it, and didn't work out. The guy is a hall of famer at the college level, I just don't see the point in going down that road again. Yeah. I just can't fathom this being a good idea from either perspective.

[WMR]

I don't understand it at all.

I've actually heard that the Bulls are a better possibility than the Hawks. Dunno.

[dabvu2498]

I don't understand it at all. I've actually heard that the Bulls are a better possibility than the Hawks. Dunno. The Bulls won't fire Vinny D after taking the Bulls to the playoffs in his 1st year. Especially after they beat Boston in the 1st round.

[Boston Red]

Maybe Pitino would go be Woodson's assistant coach. Woodson is apparently a far superior NBA coach than Rick Pitino.

I could see Pitino wanting one more challenge before riding off into the sunset. But he should probably finish the job where he is before finding that last challenge. He's done a nice job at Louisville, but one Final Four in eight seasons? That's not exactly Hall of Fame material (his UK and Providence time earned him his eventual place in Springfield).

[WVRed]

Motion offense + NBA = 27 wins

Motion offense + NBA = national championship last season.

Doc Rivers has instituted some of the DDM into his sets and it has worked well. He and Calipari are pretty close and Cal was helping Rivers in using it for the Celtics.

If Cal ever decided to go back to the NBA (and I would say that is somewhat unlikely), it would be for the same reason Steve Spurrier left for the Redskins. To try his trademark in a professional setting.

[improbus]

The Celtics didn't win because of the motion offense. They won because they have 3 HOF'ers, were healthy and had excellent role players. The same goes for Phil's triangle. Phil won because he had two teams each with two of the 50 greatest players in NBA history. Cal's offense is predicated on all 5 players playing like guards, which is not necessarily possible in the NBA.

[joshnky]

The Celtics didn't win because of the motion offense. They won because they have 3 HOF'ers, were healthy and had excellent role players. The same goes for Phil's triangle. Phil won because he had two teams each with two of the 50 greatest players in NBA history. Cal's offense is predicated on all 5 players playing like guards, which is not necessarily possible in the NBA.

True. The NBA is not a coaches game. It is the superstars (Lebron, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq) that make them look good.

[dabvu2498]

5 minutes of the Jordan game is all I can stand. You can tell the evaluation process is over for these kids.

[WVRed]

5 minutes of the Jordan game is all I can stand. You can tell the evaluation process is over for these kids.

Marcus Jordan showcase. I think he has played more minutes than John Wall and Xavier Henry at this point. Might as well hand him the MVP trophy at the end as well.

[dabvu2498]

Marcus Jordan showcase. I think he has played more minutes than John Wall and Xavier Henry at this point. Might as well hand him the MVP trophy at the end as well. And he has already committed. Oh well, may be the last time he gets to play on ESPN. At least people get to see Jeffy when he plays.

[WVRed]

The FBI was in Louisville today investigating an extortion claim against Rick Pitino.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090419/ap_on_sp_co_ne/bkc_pitino_extortion


LOUISVILLE, Ky. – Louisville coach Rick Pitino says he is the victim of an extortion attempt and has forwarded the information to the FBI.

Pitino reported the threats to authorities last month, and the FBI is investigating, the university said in a statement released Saturday. The statement did not specify the nature of the threats.

Pitino said in the statement he did not plan to talk about the matter but changed his mind after learning the person had gone public.

"I recently learned that the individual behind this extortion attempt has already gone to the media with false, defamatory and outrageous allegations in an attempt to pressure me to cave in to this scheme," Pitino said.

Pitino just finished up his eighth season with the Cardinals. Louisville won the Big East regular season and tournament titles before losing to Michigan State in the NCAA tournament regional final.

"I want to make it clear that I intend to vigorously defend my reputation and the character of my family against any criminal scheme to extort money," he said. "I am hopeful the media and public will recognize the slanderous nature of this direct and malicious attack."

A call to Pitino's attorney, Steve Pence, by The Associated Press on Saturday evening was not immediately returned.

[WMR]

It's being "reported" on various boards that Pitino was having an affair with the wife of Tim Sylpher, UL's Equipment Manager. I guess Sylpher discovered the affair, or maybe the two of them were in on it all along to use the affair against Rick. Well, now Rick is taking the Bill O'Reilly approach to handling the publicity. :D

[WMR]

Wall to Henry for the 3 at the buzzer. :D

I think that's what you call an omen, folks.

[WVRed]

It's being "reported" on various boards that Pitino was having an affair with the wife of Tim Sylpher, UL's Equipment Manager. I guess Sylpher discovered the affair, or maybe the two of them were in on it all along to use the affair against Rick. Well, now Rick is taking the Bill O'Reilly approach to handling the publicity. :D

I've read the same thing.

Rick Pitino is still one of my all time favorite coaches just because of what he did when he was at Kentucky. If this is true then it would explain a lot of what has been happening lately (Richard leaving for UF and the Pitino to Atlanta rumors).

I know some UK fans will likely have a field day with this. I'm not one of them. Of course, I will be interested to see what comes from this.

[gilpdawg]

Pitino can coach in the NBA. Boston wasn't a workable situation. That team just wasn't any good with any coach. He did well with the Knicks.

[WMR]

If he leaves then he's doing it right before the you know what hits the fan, IMO.

[TeamSelig]

All I can say is that John Wall is ridiculously good and that I really, really hope that we can get him.

Also loved the nice dunk from Cousins.

[dsmith421]

Note to Louisville: you can't have Chris Mack. I've had enough for one offseason.

[improbus]

True. The NBA is not a coaches game. It is the superstars (Lebron, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq) that make them look good.
That is why a "system" coach who want to prove that their offense will work in the NBA will get themselves into trouble. The DDM would work in Phoenix w/ Nash, Hill, Richardson, and Amar'e, but Shaq wouldn't be able to handle it.

Some talent groups that would work well w/ Cal's offense:
Portland (w/o Oden)
Knicks (D'Antoni runs a version of it in a way)
Bulls
Suns (w/o Shaq)
Denver

But, the Pick 'N' Roll is so dominant in the NBA that any other "offense" would kind of be a waste of time.

[Reds4Life]

"Coaching" at the NBA level is kind of joke. You are more of an ego manager than a coach, which is why many of the good ones at the NCAA level don't make it in the NBA. Calipari sucked at it, Pitino sucked in Boston, and if Huggs ever went he'd probably suck at it to.

[dabvu2498]

"Coaching" at the NBA level is kind of joke. You are more of an ego manager than a coach, which is why many of the good ones at the NCAA level don't make it in the NBA. Calipari sucked at it, Pitino sucked in Boston, and if Huggs ever went he'd probably suck at it to. Don't forget Carlisemo. He "choked" with his opportunity.

[improbus]

See, I kind of go the other way. I think that college hoops is often too much about the coaches. They micromanage the game possession by possession. Talent wins games, not management. For every "Villanova" end of game situation, their are 10 where the coach calls a timeout, draws up some elaborate play (and allows the defense to setup), and then the play breaks down and someone is jacking up a terrible three. (Like the "first Villanova play")

Most NBA coaches know that their players are going to win the games, not them. NBA players have been in hundreds of end game situations and they know what to do, all the coach is going to do is get in the way. Rick Carlisle doesn't need to tell Jason Kidd and Dirk Nowitzki what to do at the end of a game. That is what college-to-pro coaches can't handle. Half of their NBA team knows the game as well if not better than they do.

[dabvu2498]

Go back and watch the end of yesterday's Bulls-Celtics game. At least 3 timeouts called in the last minute of regulation. And a couple more in the last minute of overtime. College coaches are "it" because they are the general manager and head coach rolled into one. And because of the nature of college hoops, college coaches are the faces of their programs. Want to know about Duke? Talk to Coach K. Want to know about the Cavs? Talk to Mike Brown? No. Talk to LeBron.

[WVRed]

Go back and watch the end of yesterday's Bulls-Celtics game. At least 3 timeouts called in the last minute of regulation. And a couple more in the last minute of overtime. College coaches are "it" because they are the general manager and head coach rolled into one. And because of the nature of college hoops, college coaches are the faces of their programs. Want to know about Duke? Talk to Coach K. Want to know about the Cavs? Talk to Mike Brown? No. Talk to LeBron.

There is maybe one coach who "could" qualify in the NBA as an exception to that rule. Although he has had Michael Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe all under his wing.

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/15324-1/phil+jackson+cracks+a+smile.jpg

[dabvu2498]

There is maybe one coach who "could" qualify in the NBA as an exception to that rule. Although he has had Michael Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe all under his wing. http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/15324-1/phil+jackson+cracks+a+smile.jpg Sloan in Utah is close to being the face of that franchise. But yeah, other than him and Phil and maybe Popo, coaches in the league are mostly interchangeable and easily replaceable.

[improbus]

Go back and watch the end of yesterday's Bulls-Celtics game. At least 3 timeouts called in the last minute of regulation. And a couple more in the last minute of overtime. College coaches are "it" because they are the general manager and head coach rolled into one. And because of the nature of college hoops, college coaches are the faces of their programs. Want to know about Duke? Talk to Coach K. Want to know about the Cavs? Talk to Mike Brown? No. Talk to LeBron.
I'm not going to call Vinny Del Negro a great NBA coach. Sorry...

[dabvu2498]

I'm not going to call Vinny Del Negro a great NBA coach. Sorry... That wasn't my point. But I certainly wouldn't make a judgement one way or the other after one season. You certainly wouldn't have called Rivers a good coach even after his 1st season.

[dabvu2498]

With the Celtics, I mean. Doc's 1st year with the C's he looked like he had never seen a wood court. Of course, that's cause he had Pierce and a bunch of stiffs and a couple marginal rookies and role players.

[WVRed]

I would love to see this one happen. A lot of great games between these two schools.

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/sports/289383.php


Wildcats likely to keep playing tough schedules
Maui Invitational, game at Big 12 foe top 2009-10 card
By Bruce Pascoe
Arizona Daily Star

For the past several months, Arizona basketball schedule-maker Ryan Hansen held open a few 2009-10 games in case the new Wildcats coach brought a change in scheduling philosophy.
Maybe he'd want to go easier, make fewer road trips or something else. After all, few coaches annually assembled more daring schedules than Lute Olson did.
UA athletic director Jim Livengood "was hoping he'd find somebody who embraced the same philosophy," said Hansen, an assistant AD for development and radio analyst.
Livengood did. With new coach Sean Miller, the Wildcats are likely to play the kind of games that risk losses but also make players, fans and RPI computers happy.
"I think long-term what you're going to see with Sean is almost exactly what we've done," Hansen said. "I think he really enjoys playing at the highest level based on his history."
Miller put together the No. 12-rated nonconference schedule last season at Xavier, according to kenpom.com, though he indicated that having to play a tougher conference schedule at Arizona may change things somewhat.
"When we're in the situation we're in, you've got to be smart," Miller said. "We're in the Pac-10 now, not the Atlantic 10. Balance is the key. But you can't recruit the best players in the country unless you're willing to play the best programs in the country, and once you do that, you've got to win some."
Next season, Miller and the Wildcats will take on many games that were already in place, such as the Maui Invitational, a road game at a Big 12 opponent to be announced, and continuing home-and-home series with San Diego State and UNLV.
But in order to find that balance, Arizona made sure it will have to face only San Diego State and the Big 12 team on the road, with Maui being neutral. The rest of the nonconference games will be at home.
"This may be our smartest, most strategic schedule we've had," Hansen said. "We've always had three road games and another neutral (site) game thrown in there."
The schedule has a strategic flow to it, too. The Wildcats will start off at home with winnable games against NAU and Rice, in the first edition of a new home-and-home series with the Owls, whose AD is former UA associate athletic director Chris Del Conte. Then they go to Maui to face what should be a less competitive field than the tournament is known for.
By December, the competition becomes steady throughout, but with just the two road games, and in late December the Wildcats will enter a potentially defining stretch when they host North Carolina State and BYU before opening the Pac-10 season in Los Angeles.
"We'll know a lot more about ourselves after that," Hansen said. "It's not going to be easy."
In the 2010-11 season, after Miller has had more time to assemble a deeper roster, the Wildcats will beef up their road schedule. The Wildcats will play at North Carolina State, against BYU in Salt Lake City (Arizona managed to avoid a true return game to the Cougars' feared Marriott Center), at Rice and face their Big 12 opponent at home while playing in the neutral Las Vegas Invitational.
For the longer-term future, the UA has explored the possibility of a home-and-home series with Kentucky, since Miller and new Kentucky coach John Calipari are friends, and the Wildcats may even re-start a series with Memphis, now that former UA assistant coach Josh Pastner has taken over the Tigers.
Miller "has a great relationship with John Calipari, and we'd love to have a home-and- home," Hansen said. "That's absolutely a possibility. I talked with Josh (on Wednesday) and we both said 'Let's get the dialogue going now. He said he'd love to get his team back to McKale."
For future exhibition games, Arizona might even bring former interim head coach Russ Pennell back with his Division II Grand Canyon team, although games with Augustana College and Western New Mexico were already in place for next season.
"I would love to see that in the future," Hansen said. "With what Russ did for us, we owe him and I'm sure the community feels the same way."

[cumberlandreds]

Calipari has said that there is a possibility a Pac Ten team will be on the schedule next season. Arizona may be the team.

[Reds4Life]

Huggins and Calipari are best friends, I wouldn't be suprised to see a UK/WVU series become a regular thing either.

I'd like to see a UK and UC home and home to.

[WVRed]

Huggins and Calipari are best friends, I wouldn't be suprised to see a UK/WVU series become a regular thing either.

I'd like to see a UK and UC home and home to.

WVU-UK has been mentioned. Being that I live about two hours from Partytown, i'd love to see it.

According to Rivals, Xavier Henry is supposed to decide in two days and is NOT visiting UK. Bodes well for Kansas, IMO.

[dabvu2498]

Huggins and Calipari are best friends, I wouldn't be suprised to see a UK/WVU series become a regular thing either. I'd like to see a UK and UC home and home to. Me too, but I ain't holding my breath. I doubt they would do 3 series vs. Big East teams.

[WMR]

WVU-UK has been mentioned. Being that I live about two hours from Partytown, i'd love to see it.

According to Rivals, Xavier Henry is supposed to decide in two days and is NOT visiting UK. Bodes well for Kansas, IMO.

not really

[WMR]

Me too, but I ain't holding my breath. I doubt they would do 3 series vs. Big East teams.

One more would be plenty (Louisville). Maybe a second on alternating years or something.

[dabvu2498]

One more would be plenty (Louisville). Maybe a second on alternating years or something. Honestly, ND or Marquette, along with WVU and Louisville would be better options than UC. I also look for them to play an East Coast game every year in one of the major markets.

[WMR]

Honestly, ND or Marquette, along with WVU and Louisville would be better options than UC. I also look for them to play an East Coast game every year in one of the major markets.

Yep. Notre Dame would be my first choice. Second choice would be WVU. Either one of those would be BIG TIME.

Could definitely see them making a yearly sojourn to MSG a la the Dookies.

[dabvu2498]

Yep. Notre Dame would be my first choice. Second choice would be WVU. Either one of those would be BIG TIME. Could definitely see them making a yearly sojourn to MSG a la the Dookies. I could see them playing ND or Marquette in Chicago and one of the East Coast Big East teams in Philly or DC or Boston or NYC on a neutral court, even if the SEC-Big East dealy doesn't continue.

[WMR]

I could see them playing ND or Marquette in Chicago and one of the East Coast Big East teams in Philly or DC or Boston or NYC on a neutral court, even if the SEC-Big East dealy doesn't continue.

If they did that I would rather they add an east coast ACC team. Maryland or Wake Forest would be interesting.

[WMR]

WVU-UK has been mentioned. Being that I live about two hours from Partytown, i'd love to see it.

According to Rivals, Xavier Henry is supposed to decide in two days and is NOT visiting UK. Bodes well for Kansas, IMO.

Does THIS "bode well" for Kansas?

:laugh:

“Now they’re going to visit Kentucky at the end of this week,” Carl Henry said early Monday afternoon. “My youngest son [Xavier] called me and said he wanted to go visit. It just happened thirty minutes ago.”

[BRM]

So their minds change like the wind blows. Whatever.

[WMR]

So their minds change like the wind blows. Whatever.

Exactly.

"Reporting" on every little thing like it's the gospel is silliness.

Recruiting, especially with top 15 kids, changes not only day to day but hour to hour.

[BRM]

"Reporting" on every little thing like it's the gospel is silliness.

Recruiting, especially with top 15 kids, changes not only day to day but hour to hour.

I couldn't agree more. Recruiting has got to be one serious headache for coaches everywhere.

[WVRed]

Does THIS "bode well" for Kansas?

:laugh:

“Now they’re going to visit Kentucky at the end of this week,” Carl Henry said early Monday afternoon. “My youngest son [Xavier] called me and said he wanted to go visit. It just happened thirty minutes ago.”

Kinda makes me wonder if Carl Henry is on the same page as his sons at times.

There is another rumor floating around that Self told Xavier that if he visited UK that he would pull the scholarship offer.

[dabvu2498]

This is an official announcement. I will be making an unofficial visit to Miami University this Wednesday evening. Does that spark any speculation?

[BRM]

This is an official announcement. I will be making an unofficial visit to Miami University this Wednesday evening. Does that spark any speculation?

Yes. But I can't speak any further on it as this is a family board. :cool:

[dabvu2498]

Yes. But I can't speak any further on it as this is a family board. :cool: Yeah! Good point.

[WVRed]

Cal is visiting Harrison Barnes today in Iowa.

According to ZagsBlog, Wall will wait until next week after his trip to Miami to trim his list.

And right now everybody is holding their breath to see if Xavier Henry will choose to visit UK or go to the prom.:)

[dabvu2498]

Cal is visiting Harrison Barnes today in Iowa. According to ZagsBlog, Wall will wait until next week after his trip to Miami to trim his list. And right now everybody is holding their breath to see if Xavier Henry will choose to visit UK or go to the prom.:) The Henry spectacle is gaining on the Wall spectacle. Sounds like dad and sons need to sit down and talk.

[BRM]

The Henry spectacle is gaining on the Wall spectacle. Sounds like dad and sons need to sit down and talk.

LeBron and John both love all this attention, I'm sure. My opinion is that neither is in much of a hurry for the spectacle to end.

[dabvu2498]

LeBron and John both love all this attention, I'm sure. My opinion is that neither is in much of a hurry for the spectacle to end. If Cal could find a way to drive his limo to prom, I am sure that would put UK over the top.

[BRM]

If Cal could find a way to drive his limo to prom, I am sure that would put UK over the top.

:laugh:

Cal would make a super-duper chaperone.

[jmac]

I was listening to the Joe B and Denny show today. The host was reading a new updated 2009 NBA Draft prediction.
He said, whoever had this out ( I cant remember name ), was so confident that PP and Meeks would be back to UK that they no longer included them in the 09 Draft.
Now here is the funny part. He said it also listed it's 2010 NBA draft projection.
It had Meeks a second rounder.
Patterson projected at # 15.
Cousins at # 13

And the projected #1 .........John Wall.

Yeah I know this is only guesses but I thought it would make for interesting discussion.

[joshnky]

And the projected #1 .........John Wall.

Yeah I know this is only guesses but I thought it would make for interesting discussion.

John Wall has been widely projected to be a top five (if not top 3) pick this year so that's not really surprising.

[jmac]

John Wall has been widely projected to be a top five (if not top 3) pick this year so that's not really surprising.
Yeah you're right. Joe Hall went onto say he totally agreed with the projection for Wall.

What the surprising part to me was PP projected 2 spots behind Cousins. Course as I said, just makes for fun specualtion.

[WMR]

John Wall has been widely projected to be a top five (if not top 3) pick this year so that's not really surprising.

I think there's a great chance that Wall would be drafted #1 if he were eligible.

[WMR]

Looks like Xavier and CJ are going to go to Kansas after all. Count me as just being glad that it's over. Kansas is going to be GOOD next season.

Wall has always been the one that we really NEED.

[WVRed]

Looks like Xavier and CJ are going to go to Kansas after all. Count me as just being glad that it's over. Kansas is going to be GOOD next season.

Wall has always been the one that we really NEED.

Word.

I do kinda wonder if Self played hardball with the Henry's to get their commitment like what has been rumored.

[WMR]

Word.

I do kinda wonder if Self played hardball with the Henry's to get their commitment like what has been rumored.

If he did then I'm AMAZED that that worked.

They seem like the type of kids who would tell a coach to go to hell if he tried a move like that.

Pretty impressive work by Self if he actually did that and it paid off.

[WVRed]

If he did then I'm AMAZED that that worked.

They seem like the type of kids who would tell a coach to go to hell if he tried a move like that.

Pretty impressive work by Self if he actually did that and it paid off.

Not a lot of teams have a Lance Stephenson ready to step in either.

There really isn't anybody official commenting on X committing to KU. MM and Demling have done most of the speculating from what I have read. People could be reading too much into X cancelling to go to the prom.

[dabvu2498]

Word. I do kinda wonder if Self played hardball with the Henry's to get their commitment like what has been rumored. That doesn't seem like a Bill Self move. Jim Calhoun? Yes. Self? Not so much.

[WVRed]

That doesn't seem like a Bill Self move. Jim Calhoun? Yes. Self? Not so much.

I could see Self doing it to save face. If they visit UK, he knows more than likely it would favor us and likely mean a possible commitment. UK facilities plus the Grand Poobah as head coach. Tell X and CJ that if they take their visit that Lance Stephenson would be taking their place.

[dabvu2498]

I could see Self doing it to save face. If they visit UK, he knows more than likely it would favor us and likely mean a possible commitment. UK facilities plus the Grand Poobah as head coach. Tell X and CJ that if they take their visit that Lance Stephenson would be taking their place. Still a risky, risky move. Not usually a good idea to strong arm kids like that. And I'm sorry, but Grand Poobahs have rings. Like Self does. I'd say mom and dad have more to do with their decision than either coach did anyway.

[WVRed]

Still a risky, risky move. Not usually a good idea to strong arm kids like that. And I'm sorry, but Grand Poobahs have rings. Like Self does. I'd say mom and dad have more to do with their decision than either coach did anyway.

The Grand Poobah reference was what Cal called himself during the introductory press conference at UK. When he told people "I do not walk on water and I am not the Grand Poobah".

I guess it depends on how close Xavier is to his parents.

[WVRed]

I am also going to come clean and admit that I signed up for premium access for TBK. Couldn't help it with one of the stories going on right now.

For ten bucks a month it is worth it.

[WMR]

I am also going to come clean and admit that I signed up for premium access for TBK. Couldn't help it with one of the stories going on right now.

For ten bucks a month it is worth it.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

you're lucky I don't feel like dragging up your infamous anti-premium TBK posts. ;)

Welcome aboard.

It really is a great site. The podcasts are especially informative. Not even as much for the "inside info" as for the scouting reports on things like practice and player reports that UK is recruiting.

Although the other stuff is good too.

And let me just type, MM is *NOT* the best verified source on TBK. And a couple of them aren't even really UK verified sources.

[WVRed]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

you're lucky I don't feel like dragging up your infamous anti-premium TBK posts. ;)

Welcome aboard.

It really is a great site. The podcasts are especially informative. Not even as much for the "inside info" as for the scouting reports on things like practice and player reports that UK is recruiting.

Although the other stuff is good too.

And let me just type, MM is *NOT* the best verified source on TBK. And a couple of them aren't even really UK verified sources.

The player reports was what I found the best.

I figured a least a one month test run anyways. Is bob still an inside source there? I hadn't seen him post in forever.

[BRM]

Lance Stephenson to Maryland then?

[WVRed]

Lance Stephenson to Maryland then?

I'm thinking St. John's.

[BRM]

Henry going to Kansas would be good news for Jodie Meeks. He'd get to keep his starting job.

[BRM]

I'm thinking St. John's.

That's the only other team he has listed, isn't it?

[dabvu2498]

Henry going to Kansas would be good news for Jodie Meeks. He'd get to keep his starting job. You are a funny, funny man.

[BRM]

I just saw on KentuckyInk that Brian Clifton is apparently trying to steer John Wall to Duke. He's supposedly visiting Duke today. They also claim that no one from the new UK coaching staff has even placed a call to Nolan Dennis.

[WMR]

Dennis is not being recruited to Kentucky.

Kentucky already has a more talented Nolan Dennis and his name is Jon Hood.

[WMR]

Henry going to Kansas would be good news for Jodie Meeks. He'd get to keep his starting job.

That WOULD be funny except they would both start.

[BRM]

That WOULD be funny except they would both start.

I was just jabbing at you WMR. All in fun. :)

[WMR]

I was just jabbing at you WMR. All in fun. :)

WHAT?!?!?!

You've NEVER done that before! :cry:

:D

[BRM]

I know, I know...shocking.

Question for you though - If Wall does indeed end up at Duke, can Coach K teach him The Flop is just one season? Seems like you couldn't possibly learn all the intricacies of that move in that short of time.

[WMR]

I know, I know...shocking.

Question for you though - If Wall does indeed end up at Duke, can Coach K teach him The Flop is just one season? Seems like you couldn't possibly learn all the intricacies of that move in that short of time.

hahaha.

Dunno. Wojo is still on staff, so there's hope. :D

What great PGs has The Rat put into the league? Jayson Williams ... ???

Chris Duhon is more of a 2 and not great.

Duke's system is certainly not the best one for Wall's game...

if he goes to Duke it will be b/c of his sick mother, IMO.

[WVRed]

That WOULD be funny except they would both start.

Yep, but at the same time it would take away points and minutes from Darius Miller.

Henry would have been a luxury. Would have been nice, but likely wouldn't have added much more besides depth. Wall is the one we absolutely need, and if not Wall, then Bledsoe.

[dabvu2498]

Wall's game will play well in any system. He could go to Lipscomb and still get drafted in the top 10 next year, more than likely.

[WMR]

Wall's game will play well in any system. He could go to Lipscomb and still get drafted in the top 10 next year, more than likely.

Agree.

Hell, he could even play for Tubby and still manage to get taken in the first round. ;)

hahaha sorry couldn't resist.

Cal's system really is perfect for his game.

[WMR]

Yep, but at the same time it would take away points and minutes from Darius Miller.

Henry would have been a luxury. Would have been nice, but likely wouldn't have added much more besides depth. Wall is the one we absolutely need, and if not Wall, then Bledsoe.

Yeah, losing Henry is losing out on a luxury.

[BRM]

You guys will get a kick out of this. It's from the MemphisRoar and it's a couple of days old.



Eric Bledsoe - The Memphis and Kentucky staffs viewed Bledsoe Friday in his home town, Birmingham, AL. University of Memphis Head Coach Josh Pastner, along with newly hired Assistant Coach Glenn Cyprien, got a chance to watch Bledsoe and sit down with him and his high school coach, Maurice Ford.

Cyprien was known to have developed an excellent relationship with Bledsoe while at the University of Kentucky. In fact, our sources have indicated that Bledsoe was expected to commit to the University before Cyprien’s departure with former Head Coach Billy Gillespie.

MemphisRoar has learned that the University of Memphis is not only back on Bledsoe’s final list, but will be a huge player in the final decision. Additionally, MemphisRoar is waiting to hear back from Bledsoe himself regarding his Friday visitors but his cell phone has been shut off, so it’s a little hard to get him right now.

Daniel Orton - There has been wide-spread speculation that IF Orton opens his recruitment back up, the University of Memphis will get a serious look. This appears to be true. According to our sources, Orton is concerned with playing time at the University of Kentucky if Patrick Patterson decides to come back to college in place of opting for the NBA draft.

The Dribble-Drive-Motion offense, which will be ran next year at Kentucky, is not known for playing three players in the post position. Therefore, with the University of Kentucky having multiple high-caliber players playing the forward and/or center position, it would be difficult for Orton to find adequate playing time.

Orton and his father have a strong relationship with Glenn Cyprien, who assisted in his recruitment to the University of Kentucky. Orton’s desire to remain close to Cyprien will assist the Memphis Tigers.

In the end, Orton may decide on the exposure of Kentucky versus the playing time at Memphis (or possibly other schools). Although the Memphis staff has had zero contact with Orton, the opportunity of playing time and Orton’s relationship with Coach Cyprien will definitely give Memphis good position IF the recruiting battle opens back up to other schools.

[WMR]

Poor Memphis fans... they're in for a rude awakening the next few years.

[BRM]

Poor Memphis fans... they're in for a rude awakening the next few years.

Yep. They will actually have to battle for conference championships now rather than it being a foregone conclusion every year.

[BRM]

Jeff Goodman at FoxSports.com is now reporting that the Henry's are going to Kansas.

[dabvu2498]

Jeff Goodman at FoxSports.com is now reporting that the Henry's are going to Kansas. Daddy Carl says it's so now. That means they're likely NOT going there.

[BRM]

“If I was a betting man, I’d bet 100 percent my kids will go to Kansas,” Carl Henry said.

When it was noted that 100 percent was a big number, the elder Henry laughed and said, “That’s almost, well, actually, that’s putting them right at KU without them saying it.”

Then, Carl Henry added, “It could be a shocker.”

“To me, they don’t want to buck the system,” Carl Henry said of his sons. “There is no way they want to see their mother unhappy.”

When it was noted that the “100 percent” comment could draw a strong response, Carl Henry laughed and said, “Make it 70 percent.”

[BRM]

Xavier Henry is reportedly going to hold a press conference tomorrow morning to announce his decision.

[dabvu2498]

Carl is going to miss all these people calling him.

[BRM]

Has Demarcus Cousins taken the SAT yet?

[WMR]

No, but he has taken the ACT and passed it. (He had a 3.4 GPA in high school, btw)

[BRM]

No, but he has taken the ACT and passed it. (He had a 3.4 GPA in high school, btw)

Thanks. I was just curious.

[WMR]

np

[dabvu2498]

No, but he has taken the ACT and passed it. (He had a 3.4 GPA in high school, btw)So he is qualified 100 percent?

[WMR]

So he is qualified 100 percent?

Well, I guess he still needs to graduate from high school. :D

[dabvu2498]

Well, I guess he still needs to graduate from high school. :D A young man of his obvious intellect should not have a problem with that! Besides, he could already have his GED!

[WMR]

A young man of his obvious intellect should not have a problem with that! Besides, he could already have his GED!

Yeah he's clearly an intelligent young man.

Hopefully Cal can "beat" that tendency to get lazy on the court at times out of him. Many scouts attribute to this being the fact that he can dominate most h.s. opponents with 50% effort. Whenever he is physically challenged he becomes focused and raises his game to the unbelievable levels that got him his top 2-3 ranking.

Can't wait till he and Matt Pilgrim are banging into each other every day. :D

[TeamSelig]

Yeah he's clearly an intelligent young man.



LOL is that sarcasm??? Did you catch his interview during the Jordan game? I almost posted in here about it actually. This guy is a borderline 'tard, probably smoked himself stupid.

With that said, I'm glad we got him he looks like an awesome player. :)

[Hoosier Red]

Wall's game will play well in any system. He could go to Lipscomb and still get drafted in the top 10 next year, more than likely.

As a professional courtesy to BRM and myself, could you not mention Lipscombe or Northeastern ever?

Thanks.

[dabvu2498]

As a professional courtesy to BRM and myself, could you not mention Lipscombe or Northeastern ever? Thanks. How bout Cleveland State?

[WMR]

LOL is that sarcasm??? Did you catch his interview during the Jordan game? I almost posted in here about it actually. This guy is a borderline 'tard, probably smoked himself stupid.

With that said, I'm glad we got him he looks like an awesome player. :)

No, I wasn't being sarcastic, and yes, I saw his interview during the Jordan Brand Classic. He was breathing hard and seemed to have trouble hearing the questions. He might also not be used to being in front of a microphone.

He is a smart kid. I'd give a lot more credence to his test scores and GPA than a 2 minute interview during an All-Star game.

[WMR]

Darnell Dodson has reportedly asked for and received his release from his LOI to Memphis.

Many think he will almost definitely now follow Cal to UK.

Dodson is a big kid (6'7-6'8") who can really shoot the ball.