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Reds Fanatic
04-20-2009, 07:28 PM
Lineups:


Reds (6 - 5)
3rd in NL Central
Astros (4 - 8)
5th in NL Central

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. W Taveras, CF .267 0 1 3
2. J Hairston Jr., LF .211 1 2 0
3. J Votto, 1B .349 2 10 0
4. B Phillips, 2B .176 1 5 1
5. E Encarnacion, 3B .156 1 4 1
6. D McDonald, RF .333 0 1 0
7. R Hanigan, C .286 0 0 0
8. P Janish, SS .286 0 2 0
9. B Arroyo, P .000 0 0 0

Starting Lineup
Season | Against Opposing Pitcher

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. K Matsui, 2B .207 1 2 1
2. M Tejada, SS .383 0 1 1
3. L Berkman, 1B .200 2 6 0
4. C Lee, LF .238 1 7 0
5. H Pence, RF .302 3 6 2
6. G Blum, 3B .297 0 3 0
7. I Rodriguez, C .225 1 4 0
8. M Bourn, CF .250 0 3 2
9. M Hampton, P .000 0 0 0

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
B Arroyo 2 0 4.38 1.49 7

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
M Hampton 1 1 2.45 1.18 13

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 08:46 PM
Another day, another Reds (sure to be funtastic) Game Thread!

WVRedsFan
04-20-2009, 08:58 PM
I notice both McDonald and Janish are in the lineup and also notice they have averages higher than the ones they are replacing. Should be interesting to see how this turns out.

jojo
04-20-2009, 08:59 PM
Guys, hopefully the reds knock the astros back to whatever grungy part of the universe that they originally came from early and often. However, worst case scenario we get out of Houstan with a split.

Lets sit back and enjoy the game and while we're at it, lets let the mods enjoy it too....

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:03 PM
I notice both McDonald and Janish are in the lineup and also notice they have averages higher than the ones they are replacing. Should be interesting to see how this turns out.

On paper, I'd predict that this Reds lineup will have a tough time scoring.

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:07 PM
On the other hand, the Astros really only have one tough lefty in the lineup for Arroyo to deal with...

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 09:08 PM
Lead off single for Willy T.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 09:08 PM
Taveras tries to lay down a bunt...pops it up. I haven't been very impressed with his ability to lay down bunts. Seems pretty erratic with it

Grounds a single up the middle though. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 09:09 PM
Hairston up....Hampton's paying alot of attention to Willy at first. 3-0

Hairston drives one to center but not deep enough. 1 down
Votto up...

WVRedsFan
04-20-2009, 09:11 PM
High strike to Hariston. wow.

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 09:11 PM
Hairston flys out to centerfield on a 3-1 pitch. One out.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 09:13 PM
Votto pokes a single to left. 1st & 2nd

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 09:14 PM
Votto slaps an outside 0-2 pitch through for a base hit. Runners on first and second.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 09:14 PM
Brandon Phillips grounds to 2nd on the first pitch. Both runners advance. He's now 0 for his last 14 ab's.

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 09:14 PM
BP quickly gets a "productive out", moving the runners to 2nd and 3rd.

NC Reds
04-20-2009, 09:14 PM
Brandon Phillips has mastered the art of the weak groundball.

remdog
04-20-2009, 09:15 PM
So far Gamecenter is showing Hampton's pitches rangeing from 82-87. In fact they are listing many of them as changeups. IMO, that's because they are so slow that they are not changeups, simply slow pitches.

Any reading on the speed that Hampton's throwing on TV?

Rem

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 09:16 PM
So far Gamecenter is showing Hampton's pitches rangeing from 82-87. In fact they are listing many of them as changeups. IMO, that's because they are so slow that they are not changeups, simply slow pitches.

Any reading on the speed that Hampton's throwing on TV?

Rem
Almost everything is in the mid-80's, and they're not all changeups.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 09:16 PM
Yep, that's about correct. He's lost all his velocity. Still got a nice breaker though.

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 09:16 PM
Edwin is clutch! 2 run rbi!

alloverjr
04-20-2009, 09:16 PM
Lefty or not, I've no idea why Taveras (Mr. 100) rarely attempts to steal.

Great job EE!

WVRedsFan
04-20-2009, 09:17 PM
Edwin hit that 82 MPH pitch for a 2-run single

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 09:17 PM
Edwin with a 2 run single to center. WOO HOO! 2-0 Redlegs. Bourn juggled it but Votto would've scored regardless.

remdog
04-20-2009, 09:17 PM
Almost everything is in the mid-80's, and they're not all changeups.


That's pretty much what I figured.

Rem

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:17 PM
So far Gamecenter is showing Hampton's pitches rangeing from 82-87. In fact they are listing many of them as changeups. IMO, that's because they are so slow that they are not changeups, simply slow pitches.

Any reading on the speed that Hampton's throwing on TV?

Rem

Hampton FB averages about 87....he's not going to overpower anyone.

2-0 might be the ballgame.....

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 09:18 PM
Darnell McDonald up. Hitting .333 and leads the club with 3 pinch hits.

Grounds out to third to end the inning.

Middle of the first, 2-0 good guys.

membengal
04-20-2009, 09:18 PM
That was a sight for sore eyes, that at-bat from EE. Met the pitch, drove it right back through the box. Nice to plate two early.

WVRedsFan
04-20-2009, 09:18 PM
McDonald weakly grounds to 3rd. 2-0 Reds in the middle of the first

NC Reds
04-20-2009, 09:19 PM
Nice start to the game. Hampton does not have enough speed variance between his pitches. They should be able to hit him. The pitch EdE hit was 82 mph. His heater is about 5-6 mph better.

nate
04-20-2009, 09:19 PM
Chat is fat-free AND open.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 09:20 PM
Lefty or not, I've no idea why Taveras (Mr. 100) rarely attempts to steal.


I agree. It does seem like he's not as aggressive on the basepaths. He's not nursing an injury or anything is he?

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:20 PM
Those runs seem stolen given the generally weak contact of the inning....kudo's to EE by the way

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 09:20 PM
Bottom of 1st. 2-0 Reds

Arroyo pitching

Matsui strikes out on a caught foul tip
Tejada grounds out to Edwin
Berkman out on a sharp line drive to right.

3 up 3 down. Arroyo looks to have his good stuff so far.

2-0 Reds after 1

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 09:21 PM
Kaz strikes out (tipped) one gone.

WVRedsFan
04-20-2009, 09:22 PM
Everytime Edwin has to make a throw to first, I hold my breath.

2 down.

11larkin11
04-20-2009, 09:24 PM
Those runs seem stolen given the generally weak contact of the inning....kudo's to EE by the way

What do you call the Astros first against Harang the other night?

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 09:24 PM
Berkman lines out to McDonald. 1-2-3 inning for Bronson.

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:26 PM
What do you call the Astros first against Harang the other night?

I don't recall saying he got rocked either. Why?

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 09:26 PM
Top of 2nd 2-0 Reds

Hampton pitching

Hanigan with a soft fly out to center
Janish with a sharp single to left. But he can't hit as everyone knows. :O)
Arroyo shows bunt...lays down a NICE one after several attempt...almost safe, but advances Janish. 2 down.
Taveras up....Pudge tries to throw behind janish and nearly smacks Willy in the mouth on the throw...broken bat ground out to 2nd

2-0 Reds middle of 2

11larkin11
04-20-2009, 09:27 PM
I don't recall saying he got rocked either. Why?

Just stating I think its a bit of karma.

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 09:27 PM
Hanigan the Manigan flies out to centerfield. One out.

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 09:28 PM
Janish with the base hit!

alloverjr
04-20-2009, 09:28 PM
Wally Pipp.

NC Reds
04-20-2009, 09:28 PM
Janish accomplishes what Gonzalez has been failing remarkably at - gets a base hit.

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:29 PM
I'm calling Arroyo will go yard.

alloverjr
04-20-2009, 09:29 PM
I'd hit and run here

mth123
04-20-2009, 09:30 PM
Janish is winning me over slowly. I'm still skeptical of him being able to OPS .600 over a full season, but I think he's worth a long look at this point.

WVRedsFan
04-20-2009, 09:30 PM
I'm calling Arroyo will go yard.
Okey dokey

mth123
04-20-2009, 09:31 PM
Nice Bunt.

WVRedsFan
04-20-2009, 09:33 PM
Willy T grounds out.

Raisor
04-20-2009, 09:35 PM
Willy T grounds out.

why would you lie?


:thumbup:

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 09:35 PM
Bottom of 2 Reds up 2-0

Arroyo pitching

Lee drives one deep and McDonald robs him of a HR...GREAT SNAG! ....okay, just short of a HR...still great grab.
Pence with sharp ground ball with eyes. Single to left
Blum single down right field line, Pence advances to third.
Pudge grounds a slow roller to Edwin...not quite a DP...Pence scores with Pudge safe at first. 2 down.
Bourn up...Pudge tries to steal second on Manigan...I DON'T THINK SO!!! Guns him down easily. 3 down

2-1 Reds after 2

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:35 PM
only thru two and the Reds already have 4 hits....

membengal
04-20-2009, 09:35 PM
Janish is winning me over slowly. I'm still skeptical of him being able to OPS .600 over a full season, but I think he's worth a long look at this point.

Welcome to the club. We are small but growing. It's not that I think he's an all-star waiting to happen, but I would love to see if he can hit enough to carry three to four starts a week. Or more. It's not like he would be taking at-bats away from a hot prospect...

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 09:36 PM
Nice catch by McDonald.

Reds Fanatic
04-20-2009, 09:36 PM
Nice catch by McDonald against the wall

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:36 PM
Lee forgot to eat his wheaties and DM makes him pay...

NC Reds
04-20-2009, 09:36 PM
McDonald with a terrific play. I am not a fan but he has not messed up his audition so far.

mth123
04-20-2009, 09:37 PM
Welcome to the club. We are small but growing. It's not that I think he's an all-star waiting to happen, but I would love to see if he can hit enough to carry three to four starts a week. Or more. It's not like he would be taking at-bats away from a hot prospect...

Understand that I'd still like to see a better option, but the cupboard is bare.

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:38 PM
Bronson's bobblehead is one of my favorites

Reds Fanatic
04-20-2009, 09:39 PM
Back to back singles by Pence and Blum. 1st and 3rd with 1 out.

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:39 PM
DM is making Gomes' mother cringe.

Reds Fanatic
04-20-2009, 09:41 PM
Rodriguez grounds into a 5-4 FC. 2-1 Reds.

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:41 PM
thats a time that ya wish Pudge wouldve hit it harder....EE without a throwing error saves another run...

Reds Fanatic
04-20-2009, 09:42 PM
Hanigan nails Rodriguez trying to steal 2nd.

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:43 PM
Hanigun!

Mario-Rijo
04-20-2009, 09:43 PM
Hanigan & Janish looking solid. ;)

alloverjr
04-20-2009, 09:43 PM
Hannigan's money with his arm. That was a curve from Arroyo although Pudge was running.

Gallen5862
04-20-2009, 09:44 PM
Thanks for all the PBP. What is Arroyo hitting on the radar gun? It seems like this is a better defensive lineup tonight for the Reds.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 09:45 PM
Top of 3 Reds 2-1

Hampton pitching

Hairston out on a soft liner to Tejada
Votto looking bad on Hampton's slider...wow...REALLY bad. K's as he's bailing out of the box. Horrible looking ab.
Phillips golfing on the slider too...(not all the Reds here...Hampton's got a good one)...Hampton squeezed there...grounder to pitcher.

2-1 Reds middle of 3.

Arroyo's all over the place in terms of speed...as usual. Kind of hard to gauge him. But he's mixing his speeds and locations very well and he's getting his breakers over for strikes.

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:47 PM
Thanks for all the PBP. What is Arroyo hitting on the radar gun? It seems like this is a better defensive lineup tonight for the Reds.

topping out at his typical velocity....i've seen atleast one pitch at 89 mph

Gallen5862
04-20-2009, 09:48 PM
Thanks Sir Charles.

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:48 PM
Darn it Joey.

Reds Fanatic
04-20-2009, 09:48 PM
Hairston grounds out to short and Votto strikes out swinging.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 09:49 PM
Hampton has nothing tonight. Hopefully the Reds can get to him.

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:49 PM
Brandon is eyeing the short porch

NC Reds
04-20-2009, 09:50 PM
Phillips got a break there. Looked like a good pitch. Of course he just weakly grounded out on the next pitch.

Reds Fanatic
04-20-2009, 09:50 PM
Phillips grounds out back to Hampton. 2-1 Reds mid 3rd.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 09:51 PM
Phillips got a break there. Looked like a good pitch. Of course he just weakly grounded out on the next pitch.

Yeah, that looked like strike three to me.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 09:52 PM
Hampton has nothing tonight. Hopefully the Reds can get to him.

I don't agree with that at ALL. He's lost all his velocity from prior to the injuries, but his slider is NASTY. He made Votto look flat out silly.

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:52 PM
Phillips got a break there. Looked like a good pitch. Of course he just weakly grounded out on the next pitch.

I thought so too. Its good for the Reds if Nauert isn't going to give Hampton that location.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 09:52 PM
Bottom of 3rd. 2-1 Reds

Arroyo pitching

Bourn soft single to left to lead off the inning.
Hampton puts down a nice bunt to sac bourn over to second. 1 down. Hampton's a VERY good hitting pitcher.
Matsui out on a soft bouncer to Phillips. Bourn advances to third
Tejada getting fooled by Bronson's big benders...grounds out to Janish. 3 down

2-1 Reds after 3

Bronson looking VERY solid so far. Nice job of mixing his stuff up and nice location.

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:54 PM
Hampton has never really had velocity.

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:56 PM
I guess that is a strike afterall.....

jojo
04-20-2009, 09:58 PM
Tejada watched a hittable pitch and swung at junk...now he's at Arroyo's mercy

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 09:58 PM
Janish's arm looks tremendous.

membengal
04-20-2009, 09:59 PM
Please be aware, Hampton bashers, that velocity ain't always everything.

Coming into tonight's game he had 13 Ks in 11 innings pitched. He's not trash. Please let's not pretend he is. He can be veteran savvy.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:00 PM
Balls hit to Paul Janish are a comforting thing.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 10:00 PM
Janish's arm looks tremendous.

that goes for both of these defensive "subs". I don't think either of them should be reserves. Both Janish & Hanigan have looked better than their counterparts with both the glove AND the bat.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 10:01 PM
Top of 4th 2-1 Redlegs

Hampton still in

Edwin strikes out looking. Hampton really worked the zone nicely there.
McDonald with a sharp single past a diving Tejada. Other than opening day, Darnell has looked VERY good.
Hanigan up...Pudge tries to throw behind runner AGAIN (he IS good at that)...Manigan single up the middle! Darnell to 2nd.
Janish hits into a REALLY NICE DP. Tejada's looked very good defensively this series. 3 down.

2-1 Reds middle of 4

Cyclone792
04-20-2009, 10:01 PM
I won't lie - I freaking hate Mike Hampton.

September 29th, 1999 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU199909290.shtml) still gives me painful flashbacks. I want to see the Reds knock him around for a dozen runs tonight, and even then that still wouldn't be enough revenge.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 10:02 PM
EdE gets rung up on the same pitch that was called a ball on Phillips last inning.

mth123
04-20-2009, 10:04 PM
Wow. McDonald, Taveras and Janish with hits. Nix with a nice game yesterday. I need to trash more guys. ;)

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:05 PM
Hanigan singles to CF.

Runners at 1st and 2nd. One out. Janish up.

Kc61
04-20-2009, 10:05 PM
McDonald with another hit. He's also made two good plays today, a catch and then cutting off a ball and holding the guy to a single.

I hate to compliment the Reds staff, but this guy looks pretty good to me as a sub outfielder.

jojo
04-20-2009, 10:06 PM
Please be aware, Hampton bashers, that velocity ain't always everything.

Coming into tonight's game he had 13 Ks in 11 innings pitched. He's not trash. Please let's not pretend he is. He can be veteran savvy.

I don't think anyone bashed Hampton.

He's a soft tosser who has had some issues locating tonight and someone shared their observation.

Lets be accurate though....Hampton is basically a backend starter who would be a middle reliever at this point if he threw from the right side.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:06 PM
Janish robbed of a hit, and then Tejada turns it into a rather spectacular DP.

Rats.

2-1 Reds middle of 4.

flyer85
04-20-2009, 10:06 PM
that was a major league DP ... tough break

Kc61
04-20-2009, 10:07 PM
Janish hits into a DP, except it was an outstanding defensive play by the Stros and Janish could have had a hit. Sharply hit grounder up the middle.

Mario-Rijo
04-20-2009, 10:07 PM
I'll tell you what I have seen more good fortune go to Carlos Lee and Miguel Tejada defensively in this series than a months worth for us.

Cyclone792
04-20-2009, 10:08 PM
That double play is a back-breaker right there. Kills one potential rally and then forces Arroyo to leadoff the following inning.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:08 PM
I don't think anyone bashed Hampton.

He's a soft tosser who has had some issues locating tonight and someone shared their observation.

Lets be accurate though....Hampton is basically a backend starter who would be a middle reliever at this point if he threw from the right side.

Jojo: There is a perception running through the first part of this thread that the Reds should be lighting him up. I am simply saying that is not fair. Again, he is what he is, but it isn't trash. 13 Ks in 11 innings heading into tonight's game. He is tricky now, but still potentially very, very good. He shutout the Pirates in his last start over six innings.

The Reds are doing well to have runners on and with a little more luck would have a few more runs than they do.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 10:08 PM
Is it just me, or do bad defensive players always make web gems against the Reds?

I'm waiting on Carlos Lee to rob the Reds of a home run next.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 10:08 PM
Bottom of 4th Reds up 2-1

Arroyo pitching

Berkman grounds out to Janish as his grand parents are getting interviewed...grandpa even does the pbp. Love it. :O)
Lee out on a soft grounder to Edwin. 2 down.
Pence flies out deep to Hairston for the 3rd out.

Nice efficient inning there from Bronson. He could go deep in this game.

2-1 for the good guys after 4.

jojo
04-20-2009, 10:10 PM
I'll tell you what I have seen more good fortune go to Carlos Lee and Miguel Tejada defensively in this series than a months worth for us.

Ya.....I don't think Tejada is a shortstop at this point in his career though that was a nice play.

The Houstan broadcast crew is doing a nice interview with Janish's parents in the stands and his father just smoothly injected some play by play as Berkman grounded out to Paul while he was talking.

That absolutely made my day. AWESOME.

flyer85
04-20-2009, 10:11 PM
I'd feel much better if Hanigan got more PT and the Reds turned over SS to someone not name Gonzo ... and if they give Dickerson some ABs against LHP. I like the McDonald story but there is no reason to give him ABs at the expense of Dickerson, at least until Dickerson proves he is hopeless against them.

NC Reds
04-20-2009, 10:11 PM
What bad camera work. Made it look like a Pence homerun.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:11 PM
Dear FSN camera guy:

For shame. FOR SHAME.

Signed,

People watching on TV

Cyclone792
04-20-2009, 10:11 PM
More beautiful camera work by the FSN Ohio crew there. From where their camera was going, you'd have thought that ball was blasted about 400 feet instead of caught.

mbgrayson
04-20-2009, 10:12 PM
Pence flies to left.

After four innings, Reds up 2 to 1.

Hampton at 63 pitches.
Arroyo at 48 pitches.

Kc61
04-20-2009, 10:12 PM
EE is taking his time on the throws. Earlier he missed getting a DP because he didn't rush his throw. Still, he got the force comfortably with a good throw. Impressed with his defense so far.

And, defensively, this team seems different with Janish out there. No knock on Gonzo who has been a good shortstop for years, but Janish is a really good defensive shortstop.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:13 PM
For those not watching the FSN "feed", not only did the camera pan to the high fly by focusing on the Crawford boxes, you never did see the ball get caught by Hairston, but you did see the ball strangely appear in the screen as it fell into the LF stands. Which is where Hairston apparently tossed it after he caught it.

F- to FSN for that whole sequence.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 10:13 PM
Top of 5 2-1 reds

Hampton still pitching

Arroyo leading off...out on a close play...grounder to Tejada.
Taveras punched out looking on a good slider.
Hairston strikes out looking too. Wow. Nice inning from hampton.

We need to get some more runs because Hampton's looking stronger and stronger as the game goes on.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:14 PM
EE is taking his time on the throws. Earlier he missed getting a DP because he didn't rush his throw. Still, he got the force comfortably with a good throw. Impressed with his defense so far.

And, defensively, this team seems different with Janish out there. No knock on Gonzo who has been a good shortstop for years, but Janish is a really good defensive shortstop.

Certainly agree with the last part. As for the first part, I think EE's defense has been noticeably better in '09. And it wasn't remarked upon a ton, but that was a really nice and deft play EE had in the 8th last night to turn the 5-3 DP and get the Reds and Weathers out of trouble. Major league quality play.

jojo
04-20-2009, 10:15 PM
Its the 5th inning already....

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:16 PM
Hampton freezes Taveras on the same pitch that he got EE looking. Hampton's third K of the night.

NC Reds
04-20-2009, 10:16 PM
Hampton is a crafty lefty I guess. Tavares looked a bit lost on that last pitch. It was right over the plate.

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 10:16 PM
We need Micah Owings up in here to show these guys how to hit.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:16 PM
According to the FSN Ohio gun, that first pitch to Hairston hit 90. If Hampton can touch that, with his slider, he can be effective this year.

Mario-Rijo
04-20-2009, 10:16 PM
He may not have much velocity (Hampton) but that FB movement is ridiculous. :confused:

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:17 PM
Another K looking to end the inning.

2-1 Reds middle of 5.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 10:18 PM
My guess is, a decent offensive club has three or four runs right now. JMO.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:18 PM
That brings Hampton to 17 Ks in 16 innings on the year. Four in five innings tonight. He's def crossed over to savvy/crafty lefty status, and effective when he's on.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:18 PM
OBM: look at all of Hampton's starts this year. Again, he's not trash.

CrackerJack
04-20-2009, 10:19 PM
That pitch to Hairston was pretty nasty.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 10:19 PM
Bottom of 5th. 2-1 Reds

Arroyo pitching

Blum leads off with a sharp single to right. He's really been swinging a hot bat lately.
Pudge with a soft flyout to McDonald. 1 down. Blum holds.
Bourn up...infield at DP depth...really nice curve from bronson...K's swinging. Nice work there.
Hampton with a hard hit ball to Edwin who throws out Blum at 2nd. 3 down.

Arroyo is cruising, but Hampton's making hitters look silly as we go along. Time to get to him!

2-1 reds after 5.

Mario-Rijo
04-20-2009, 10:20 PM
My guess is, a decent offensive club has three or four runs right now. JMO.

I don't know dude, his slider has nice tilt, his FB is starting in to RHH's and then retreating back to the plate. His stuff is moving quite a bit and his control is right there. At least the past few innings.

The K pitch he threw to EE, WT and Votto all did things I haven't seen many pitches do.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 10:21 PM
OBM: look at all of Hampton's starts this year. Again, he's not trash.

He allowed three runs in five innings against the Cardinals. The Cards put nine runners on base in five innings, so it could've been worse. He did pitch well against the Pirates.

jojo
04-20-2009, 10:21 PM
OBM: look at all of Hampton's starts this year. Again, he's not trash.

Hampton hasn't reinvented himself.

Cyclone792
04-20-2009, 10:22 PM
Beautiful pitch sequence by Arroyo to strike Bourne out right there. Hanigan called for pitches in specific spots, Arroyo hit those spots, and Bourne never had a chance.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:23 PM
Jojo: He never was trash. And he is not trash now. He's been injured. A lot. His fastball may not have quite the same zip, but he's a legit pitcher still.

Kc61
04-20-2009, 10:23 PM
Hampton looked great that last inning, pretty much as I remember him from his prime. Maybe a bit less velocity.

But I don't see Hampton going beyond six or seven. And he could tire in the next inning or two.

Reds coming up.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:24 PM
Cyclone: It's fun to watch Arroyo and Hanigan work tonight, isn't it?

jojo
04-20-2009, 10:24 PM
Beautiful pitch sequence by Arroyo to strike Bourne out right there. Hanigan called for pitches in specific spots, Arroyo hit those spots, and Bourne never had a chance.

Arroyo is alot of fun to watch pitch IMHO.

Mario-Rijo
04-20-2009, 10:24 PM
Beautiful pitch sequence by Arroyo to strike Bourne out right there. Hanigan called for pitches in specific spots, Arroyo hit those spots, and Bourne never had a chance.

Yeah Bronson has even more movement than usual. Must be that warm Texas air that has these pitches moving all over the place.

mbgrayson
04-20-2009, 10:24 PM
After 5 complete, Reds still up 2-1.

Hampton at 73 pitches.
Arroyo at 57 pitches.

jojo
04-20-2009, 10:25 PM
Jojo: He never was trash. And he is not trash now. He's been injured. A lot. His fastball may not have quite the same zip, but he's a legit pitcher still.

Youre the only one talking about trash.

He's a backend starter.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 10:25 PM
Top of 6th. 2-1 Redlegs

Hampton pitching

Votto looking better this ab...staying back more...but still down on a soft grounder to Berkman.
Phillips out on grounder...a high throw made it interesting, but 2 down.
Encarnacion safe at first on sharp liner to Tejada who juggles it. Probably a single
McDonald up...Hampton starting to lose the zone a bit...Walks on 5 pitches. 1st & 2nd with 2 outs
Hanigan getting frozen on some nice pitches in this ab....K's swinging. 3 down.

2-1 Reds middle of 6

This game has been a joy to watch...both pitchers with great control. Might be the last inning for Hampton though. Right around 100 pitches and he's been injured a bunch...they Astros have been handling him carefully so far...we'll see.

Cyclone792
04-20-2009, 10:27 PM
Cyclone: It's fun to watch Arroyo and Hanigan work tonight, isn't it?

Absolutely. Hanigan's fun to watch behind the plate all the time, and Arroyo's a beauty when he's on, and he's been on thef rist five innings tonight.

I think the Reds are grooming Hanigan to be the full-time starter heading into 2010; Hernandez is just a stop gap, I imagine. My hope is that the transition starts occurring at some point this season.

NC Reds
04-20-2009, 10:28 PM
Phillips grounds out sharply this time. He was a bit unlucky there.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 10:30 PM
There's nothing more frustrating to watch than a bad offense. We desperately need another slugger in the lineup.

Imagine if we could pair the 2005 Reds offense with the 2009 pitching staff.

Mario-Rijo
04-20-2009, 10:30 PM
'bout time Tejada's luck ran out! :D

NC Reds
04-20-2009, 10:30 PM
The real Miguel Tejada returns. He made a mess of that EdE liner.

jojo
04-20-2009, 10:31 PM
The real Miguel Tejada returns. He made a mess of that EdE liner.

Ya.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:31 PM
Youre the only one talking about trash.

He's a backend starter.

Jojo: If you have a beef with me, send a PM. There are posts on here earlier that hint that Hampton should be rocked and "has nothing". I disagree. You implication seems to be that a "backend starter" should be hit. IF that's what he is, I disagree that he should be hit.

He's been tough this year, he's been tough tonight, and I don't think people should assume he should be lit up automatically.

mth123
04-20-2009, 10:32 PM
McDonald is instant offense.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:33 PM
Would love to see another two out knock here.

Kc61
04-20-2009, 10:33 PM
Reds with two men on now. Hanigan up.

Hampton doesn't look as sharp, wonder if he's tiring.

Raisor
04-20-2009, 10:33 PM
Imagine if we could pair the 2005 Reds offense with the 2009 pitching staff.

*sigh*

jojo
04-20-2009, 10:34 PM
Jojo: If you have a beef with me, send a PM. There are posts on here earlier that hint that Hampton should be rocked and "has nothing". I disagree. You implication seems to be that a "backend starter" should be hit. IF that's what he is, I disagree that he should be hit.

He's been tough this year, he's been tough tonight, and I don't think people should assume he should be lit up automatically.

I don't have a beef with ya. I just don't agree with ya.

I think you're misinterpreting earlier comments. Its no big deal and the Reds are winning.

I'll buy ya a beer and a hotdog....

mbgrayson
04-20-2009, 10:35 PM
Hannigan swings at an inside slider and misses badly. Shame to miss out on that chance...left runners on 1st and 2nd.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:36 PM
Perhaps I am. But there are a few I had in mind with my general posting, and didn't want to single them out, in the spirit of the keeping the game thread coolio. Perhaps I should just have pointed them out.

Mario-Rijo
04-20-2009, 10:37 PM
Shoot that was a filthy series of pitches Hampton just tossed up there to Hanigan. 2 frontdoor FB's which Hanigan couldn't swing at as they started in and finally followed it up with a slider that looked just like the previously mentioned FB out of his hand.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 10:37 PM
There's nothing more frustrating to watch than a bad offense. We desperately need another slugger in the lineup.

Imagine if we could pair the 2005 Reds offense with the 2009 pitching staff.

Nothing wrong with THIS offense tonight. Hampton's just dealin'. And we're still getting it done.

Cyclone792
04-20-2009, 10:37 PM
Fun convo last inning between Marty and Brantley. They were discussing some of their favorite and least favorite ballparks they've been too. Marty said he loves Fenway, Wrigley and Dodger Stadium, and that he hated Shea Stadium and County Stadium (I can remember Marty ripping Shea Stadium in the past, and from what I've seen of Shea, that park deserved to get ripped).

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 10:37 PM
Bottom of 6th. 2-1 reds

Arroyo pitching 62 pitches (41 strikes...nice)

Matsui singles to left after a nice ab...really stayed back on that pitch.
Tejada with a liner to Arroyo's foot...who grabs it and starts the nice DP. 2 down.
Berkman ... oh my. BIG dinger. 2-2. He just sat back on that curve and PUNISHED it...glad we turned that DP.
Lee .... back to back HR's. 2 quick hanging curves. 3-2 Astros.
Pence with a sharp liner to center....Taveras guns him down trying to stretch it to a double...bad move. 3 down.

3-2 Astros after 6

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:40 PM
Dangerous inning for the Reds in a game as tight as this one. Especially with the lead-off single from Matsui.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 10:40 PM
I have a bad feeling about this inning.

Cyclone792
04-20-2009, 10:40 PM
Phenomenal play by Arroyo to snag that ball and start the double play!

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:41 PM
1-4-3 DP makes me feel better about this inning.

Heckuva play by Bronson.

mth123
04-20-2009, 10:41 PM
Woo Hoo. Fortune smiling.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:41 PM
Berkman ties the game.

jojo
04-20-2009, 10:41 PM
There is no justice......

redsmetz
04-20-2009, 10:42 PM
Fun convo last inning between Marty and Brantley. They were discussing some of their favorite and least favorite ballparks they've been too. Marty said he loves Fenway, Wrigley and Dodger Stadium, and that he hated Shea Stadium and County Stadium (I can remember Marty ripping Shea Stadium in the past, and from what I've seen of Shea, that park deserved to get ripped).

I remember Marty always saying what a dump he thought Shea was.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:43 PM
Now Reds are down.

Hoosier Red
04-20-2009, 10:43 PM
There is no justice......

Well, we had kept him relatively quiet all weekend.

WMR
04-20-2009, 10:44 PM
Arroyo is alot of fun to watch pitch IMHO.

Not so much fun these past couple minutes.

Mario-Rijo
04-20-2009, 10:44 PM
Now Reds are down.

Bronson lost those tight breaks on his stuff there.

jojo
04-20-2009, 10:44 PM
Hunter does us a HUGE favor.

redsmetz
04-20-2009, 10:44 PM
So how did the Astros go up? I saw Berkman tied it.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:44 PM
Pence singles into the gap in right center, thrown out by Willy T trying to stretch it into two.

3-2 Astros after 6.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:45 PM
So how did the Astros go up? I saw Berkman tied it.

Sorry, Lee home run for the back to back.

mth123
04-20-2009, 10:45 PM
So how did the Astros go up? I saw Berkman tied it.

Berkman and Lee back to back.

RedFanAlways1966
04-20-2009, 10:45 PM
Thanks, Hunter Pence. Pulls a "Sabo" by trying to stretch a single into a double and is out by a mile. Needed that.

Mario-Rijo
04-20-2009, 10:45 PM
So how did the Astros go up? I saw Berkman tied it.

Back 2 Back Jacks Berkman and Lee! Hunter Pence tossed out at 2nd by WT trying to stretch a single!

Cyclone792
04-20-2009, 10:45 PM
Reds offense needs to get on base and get something going in the 7th. This would be a disappointing game to lose considering how promising Arroyo's first five innings were and how solid the defense has played.

Kc61
04-20-2009, 10:46 PM
I sense Micah Owings may be getting ready to hit.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 10:46 PM
Top of 7th Reds down 3-2

Hampton pitching

Janish leads off with another single on the first pitch. Gonzo should be watching his back. :O)
Arroyo bunting...0-2 switches to swinging away....lays down a nice bunt to advance janish. 1 down.

Pitching change...Geoff Geary

Taveras with a grounder up the middle...infield single as Tejada has no play. 1st & 3rd with 1 out.
Good time to steal and take away the DP IMO.
Hairston draws a 4 pitch walk. Bases jacked, 1 down.

Pitching change...Tim Byrdak

Votto up...I smell a grand salami...*crosses fingers*...Double off the wall...ALMOST! Votto to third on the throw home that nails Hairston at the plate. 2 down. Reds up 4-3. WOO HOO!
Phillips strikes out on a curve ball down and away. 3 down.

Reds regain the lead 4-3 in the middle of 7. *starts singing take me out to the ballgame* :O)

Herrera warming up. Bad move IMO. Herrera after Arroyo is a bad switch if you ask me.

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 10:46 PM
There's a classic Jesse Jackson joke!

jojo
04-20-2009, 10:47 PM
Arroyo got crushed that inning.

mbgrayson
04-20-2009, 10:47 PM
Berkman got a 67 mph curve ball that came right into the heart of the plate on the first pitch of the AB and crushed it into the second deck in right.

Carlos Lee got an 87 mph 'fastball' on the inside edge and drilled it down the left field line for a HR

After 6, Astros 3, Reds 2.

Hampton at 94 pitches.
Arroyo at 71 pitches.

WMR
04-20-2009, 10:47 PM
Reds offense needs to get on base and get something going in the 7th. This would be a disappointing game to lose considering how promising Arroyo's first five innings were and how solid the defense has played.

What's your opinion of the ballclub so far this season. O Wise Cyclone? :D

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 10:47 PM
This is a game the Reds really needed to win, especially since the Cubs are throwing Harden, Lilly, and Zambrano in the next series.

mth123
04-20-2009, 10:47 PM
Janish and McDonald should hit in the three and four spots.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:47 PM
Janish with a single to start the 7th.

Mario-Rijo
04-20-2009, 10:48 PM
Berkman got a 67 mph curve ball that came right into the heart of the plate on the first pitch of the AB and crushed it into the second deck in right.

Carlos Lee got an 87 mph 'fastball' on the inside edge and drilled it down the left field line for a HR

After 6, Astros 3, Reds 2.

Hampton at 94 pitches.
Arroyo at 71 pitches.

Looked like that FB was supposed to be his sinker.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:48 PM
Arroyo hitting for himself, trying to bunt Janish over.

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 10:49 PM
I wish someone in our division would put Glendon Rusch in their rotation so Bronson could hit a few more dingers.

mth123
04-20-2009, 10:49 PM
Nice Bunt

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:49 PM
Arroyo with a good bunt on 0-2 to get Janish to second.

One out. Taveras up.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:50 PM
Hampton at 100 pitches and being lifted. Righthander coming in. Interested to see if Dusty goes with Dickerson for Hairston after Willy's at-bat...

Cyclone792
04-20-2009, 10:50 PM
What's your opinion of the ballclub so far this season. O Wise Cyclone? :D

Not much different than originally expected, unfortunately. An 800 run offense is a good bet to win this game whereas a 700 run offense is a dicey proposition.

*BaseClogger*
04-20-2009, 10:50 PM
Hampton out because he doesn't want to face the feared Taveras?

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:53 PM
Infield single up the middle for Taveras.

Runners at 1st and 3rd. One out.

jojo
04-20-2009, 10:53 PM
Tejada plays shortstop like a rhinoceros.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:54 PM
Dusty leaving Hairston in to hit, rather than going with Dickerson...

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 10:54 PM
Gotta get this run in. I'd PH with Dickerson.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:54 PM
If it is a real platoon, Dickerson should be up now.

mbgrayson
04-20-2009, 10:54 PM
Squeeze here?

jojo
04-20-2009, 10:54 PM
Huge opportunity here...........

SMcGavin
04-20-2009, 10:55 PM
Welsh thinks Willy may steal to take away the DP.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:55 PM
2-0 count on Hairston, Geary bothered by Taveras at first...

Mario-Rijo
04-20-2009, 10:55 PM
Slide step, ball up!

WMR
04-20-2009, 10:56 PM
Not much different than originally expected, unfortunately. An 800 run offense is a good bet to win this game whereas a 700 run offense is a dicey proposition.

wonder if the Reds are somehow able to hang around .500 and within a few games of the WC spot if they'll add pieces...

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:56 PM
Looked like Hairston swung, but Joe West says it was a check swing...

3-0 count...

Cyclone792
04-20-2009, 10:56 PM
Nice 3-0 count on Hairston. Get your pitch, Jerry. If you don't get it, take the walk and let Votto hit.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 10:56 PM
Hairston needs to take two pitches here.

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:56 PM
Hairston walks.

Bases juiced for Joey V.

SMcGavin
04-20-2009, 10:56 PM
In Dusty's defense, one reason to leave Dickerson on the bench here is his high K rate - Hairston is a worse hitter but may have a better chance to get the guy in from third.

But it doesn't matter because Hairston walks on four pitches.

toledodan
04-20-2009, 10:56 PM
bases loaded for votto.

*BaseClogger*
04-20-2009, 10:56 PM
Bases juiced for Joey! :)

membengal
04-20-2009, 10:57 PM
Lefty being summoned to deal with Votto.

jojo
04-20-2009, 10:57 PM
This might be a case where a Cecil out managed himself.

*BaseClogger*
04-20-2009, 10:58 PM
In Dusty's defense, one reason to leave Dickerson on the bench here is his high K rate - Hairston is a worse hitter but may have a better chance to get the guy in from third.

My thinking though was that it makes the GIDP less likely...

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 10:58 PM
If they don't score here I'm going to scream...

WMR
04-20-2009, 10:59 PM
If they don't score here I'm going to scream...

do you have a mic? if so, please record it and upload it for us all to enjoy. :D

Gallen5862
04-20-2009, 10:59 PM
Lets get some runs Reds.

Kc61
04-20-2009, 11:00 PM
So if Dusty hit Dickerson for Hairston, this lefty would have faced Dickerson. Dickerson doesn't hit lefties well.

jojo
04-20-2009, 11:00 PM
If they don't score here I'm going to scream...

This is a dream scenario.

jojo
04-20-2009, 11:01 PM
Votto should poke another one to left

membengal
04-20-2009, 11:01 PM
Votto down 0-2 and flailing a bit. Lefties only .205 off Byrdak...

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 11:01 PM
Votto delivers!

CrackerJack
04-20-2009, 11:01 PM
Votto = Money

NC Reds
04-20-2009, 11:01 PM
Joey nearly gets a grand slam.

Cyclone792
04-20-2009, 11:02 PM
Excellent piece of hitting by Votto! Poor piece of baserunning by Hairston!

Votto doubles off the left center field wall scoring Janish and Taveras, but Hairston is thrown out at the plate. Votto's standing on third right now with two out.

Tom Servo
04-20-2009, 11:02 PM
votto down 0-2 and flailing a bit. Lefties only .205 off byrdak...
votto don't care.

membengal
04-20-2009, 11:02 PM
Votto doubles to deep left, two runs score, third runner thrown out at home.

4-3 Reds lead.

Two outs.

jojo
04-20-2009, 11:02 PM
Tough decision to make on sending the runner.

Kc61
04-20-2009, 11:02 PM
Pudge made quite a tag on Hairston. Lots of excellent defense in this game, for both sides.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 11:03 PM
Nice job by Votto. Sure would've been nice to get that other run in.

toledodan
04-20-2009, 11:03 PM
should have never sent JH. need BP to get a big hit now.

of course he k's

membengal
04-20-2009, 11:03 PM
Wish they had held Hairston there. Regardless, heckuva an at-bat from Votto. The ball was hit oppo field, to deep left center, hit high off that elevated wall in left center. Would have been out of most parks.

Mario-Rijo
04-20-2009, 11:03 PM
Tough decision to make on sending the runner.

It took a really good throw to get him.

jojo
04-20-2009, 11:04 PM
Pudge made quite a tag on Hairston. Lots of excellent defense in this game, for both sides.

It's been a great game so far.

NC Reds
04-20-2009, 11:04 PM
Phillips strikes out.

membengal
04-20-2009, 11:04 PM
Phillips Ks (and is looking awful). 0 for his last 17. He could probably use a game off at some point. Maybe against Zambrano or Harden, if Dusty gives it a moment of consideration.

This is going to be a nail-biter finish, I would guess.

4-3 Reds middle of 7.

alloverjr
04-20-2009, 11:04 PM
Tough decision to make on sending the runner.

Not with whose coming up. No confidence in BP.

Kc61
04-20-2009, 11:05 PM
It took a really good throw to get him.

And a good sweeping tag by the Hall of Fame catcher. Hope Arroyo has something left here because he was shaky last inning.

Also wonder if Coco can pitch tonight. He threw a bunch of pitches in the ninth yesterday.

jojo
04-20-2009, 11:05 PM
It took a really good throw to get him.

It was perfectly played. Sometimes youre the windshield sometimes youre the bug.

WMR
04-20-2009, 11:05 PM
hairston should've gone airborne and dove over the tag

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 11:06 PM
Bottom of 7th. Reds up 4-3

Arroyo still in (good call IMO)

Blum with a soft single to right. 3 for 3. Still swinging a hot bat.
Pudge up...Bronson nearly picks off Blum with a nice quick throw...grounder into a 4-6-3, perfect. Nice pitch by Bronson. 2 down.
Bourn flies out to Hairston at the warning track.

4-3 Reds after 7. That should be it for Arroyo. The Astros are getting their timing down on his stuff.

Rhodes warming up now...MUCH better choice to replace Bronson.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2009, 11:06 PM
Chuck Norris has nothing on Joey Votto!

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 11:06 PM
I wish we had a cleanup hitter.

membengal
04-20-2009, 11:06 PM
Arroyo indeed back to the mound. And immediately gives up yet another hit to Geoff Blum (Blum is now 3 for 3).

Kc61
04-20-2009, 11:06 PM
Blum single.

Bronson, thank you, but I've seen enough for tonight.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2009, 11:07 PM
Time to pull Arroyo.

Three hits for Blum? Good grief.

mth123
04-20-2009, 11:07 PM
Anybody up in the pen?

SMcGavin
04-20-2009, 11:07 PM
Fourth hit in a row off of Arroyo. Rhodes is up in the pen.

jojo
04-20-2009, 11:07 PM
The lefties are 6 for 11 against Bronson tonight...

membengal
04-20-2009, 11:08 PM
Arroyo is only at 75 pitches, but the Astros clearly have him measured. Masset would be a nice choice up, given Masset's ability to throw hard, for a nice contrast from Arroyo.

2-1 count on Pudge.