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Screwball
05-19-2009, 08:24 PM
0-0 after 1. Cueto has 2 strikeouts.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:26 PM
A quick recap of the first.

Rollins strikes out swinging.
Utley flies out to left.
Ibanez strikes out swinging.

Taveras strikes out swinging.
Hairston grounds out to short.
Phillips grounds out to 3rd.

redsmetz
05-19-2009, 08:26 PM
Thanks for starting the thread, Screwball.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:27 PM
Howard homers to left center. 1-0 Phillies.

GAC
05-19-2009, 08:27 PM
chat is open! :beerme:

Screwball
05-19-2009, 08:29 PM
Phillies are gonna get their homers. The key is to limiting them to solo shots.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:30 PM
Werth grounds out to short. Nice play by Gonzalez.

Screwball
05-19-2009, 08:30 PM
Gonzalez made a nice play there to get Werth.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:32 PM
Victorino singles to right.

redsmetz
05-19-2009, 08:32 PM
Can someone post the line ups?

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:34 PM
Feliz singles to left. 1st and 2nd.

Screwball
05-19-2009, 08:34 PM
These baseballs have eyes.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 08:35 PM
Cin
Taveras CF
Hairston 3B
Phillips 2B
Bruce RF
Hernandez C
Rosales 1B
McDonald LF
Gonzalez SS
Cueto P

Phi
Rollins SS
Utley 2B
Ibanez LF
Howard 1B
Werth RF
Victorino CF
Feliz 3B
Ruiz C
Hamels P

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:35 PM
Can someone post the line ups?



Phillies (20 - 16)
Reds (20 - 17)

Lineup
Name AB R H RBI BB
1. J Rollins, SS 1 0 0 0 0
2. C Utley, 2B 1 0 0 0 0
3. R Ibanez, LF 1 0 0 0 0
4. R Howard, 1B 1 1 1 1 0
5. J Werth, RF 1 0 0 0 0
6. S Victorino, CF 1 0 1 0 0
7. P Feliz, 3B 0 0 0 0 0
8. C Ruiz, C 0 0 0 0 0
9. C Hamels, P 0 0 0 0 0
Totals 6 1 2 1 0
Lineup
Name AB R H RBI BB
1. W Taveras, CF 1 0 0 0 0
2. J Hairston Jr., 3B 1 0 0 0 0
3. B Phillips, 2B 1 0 0 0 0
4. J Bruce, RF 0 0 0 0 0
5. R Hernandez, C 0 0 0 0 0
6. A Rosales, 1B 0 0 0 0 0
7. D McDonald, LF 0 0 0 0 0
8. A Gonzalez, SS 0 0 0 0 0
9. J Cueto, P 0 0 0 0 0
Totals 3 0 0 0 0


Pitcher
Name IP H R ER BB K ERA*
C Hamels 1 0 0 0 0 1 4.88
Pitcher
Name IP H R ER BB K ERA*
J Cueto 1.1 2 1 0 0 2 1.88

GAC
05-19-2009, 08:35 PM
Lineups

Reds

Taveras CF
Hairston 3B
Phillips 2B
Bruce RF
Hernandez C
Rosales 1B
McDonald LF
Gonzalez SS
Cueto P

Phillies

Rollins SS
Utley 2B
Ibanez LF
Howard 1B
Werth RF
Victorino CF
Feliz 3B
Ruiz C
Hamels P

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:35 PM
Ruiz flies out to left. 2 outs.

RedsManRick
05-19-2009, 08:35 PM
Philadelphia
SS Rollins
2B Utley
LF Ibanez
1B Howard
RF Werth
CF Victorino
3B Feliz
CA Ruiz
P Hamels

Cincinnati
CF Taveras
3B Hairston
2B Phillips
RF Bruce
CA Hernandez
1B Rosales
LF McDonald
SS Gonzalez
P Cueto

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 08:36 PM
Aaaaaaaahhhh! Lineup overkill! :O)

Ask and ye shall recieve.

GAC
05-19-2009, 08:36 PM
I'm just thrilled to death that McDonald is in LF :rolleyes:

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:36 PM
Hamels grounds out to Cueto. 1-0 Phillies mid 2nd.

Falls City Beer
05-19-2009, 08:37 PM
I don't imagine there's a tougher team in the NL to beat than the Phils' offense when Cole Hamels is on the mound. That offense combined with his pitching? Ugh. Cueto's been unreal so far, but he's clearly the underdog in this one.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 08:37 PM
Nice job by Johnny to escape further damage.

1-0 Phils middle of 2nd.

Screwball
05-19-2009, 08:37 PM
Yeah, Reds have an uphill battle this game.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 08:38 PM
Jay will hit a lead off HR here.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:39 PM
I'm just thrilled to death that McDonald is in LF :rolleyes:It is tough enough to face Hamels to do it with a weak lineup makes it even worse. They should have had Hairston in LF, Rosales at 3B, Hernandez at 1B, Hanigan at C and Janish at SS.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 08:39 PM
Hamels is defintely getting better as the season moves on, but he's still giving up more flyballs and that's usually not a formula for success in GABP.

Screwball
05-19-2009, 08:40 PM
Jay will hit a lead off HR here.

You're no VR. ;)

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:41 PM
Bruce strikes out swinging. 1 out.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 08:41 PM
Bruce strikes out swinging...way out in front.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 08:42 PM
You're no VR. ;)

LOL. Hey, it was worth a shot. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 08:43 PM
Close but no cigar. Just barely foul. Durnit

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:44 PM
Great AB. Hernandez doubles off the wall in left.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 08:44 PM
He straightened THAT one out. Double off the wall for Ramon. Man, he absolutely MASHED that ball.

nate
05-19-2009, 08:46 PM
Chat is open!

Screwball
05-19-2009, 08:46 PM
Rosales was overmatched against Hamels. Mercy.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:46 PM
Rosales strikes out swinging. 3 Ks for Hamels. 2 outs.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 08:46 PM
2 down. Rosales strikes out. He's a sucker for the high stuff. I thought he was going for that 3rd pitch up high.

RedsManRick
05-19-2009, 08:47 PM
With no Votto and the rest of that lineup, Phillips is going to have a big night...

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 08:47 PM
With all the McDonald bashing that's been going on lately, just watch...he'll have a great game.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:47 PM
McDonald flies out to left. 1-0 Phillies after 2.

GAC
05-19-2009, 08:48 PM
Good ol' George Grande.... "Darnell just missed that one" :lol:

You always say that George

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 08:49 PM
Good ol' George Grande.... "Darnell just missed that one" :lol:

You always say that George

Thom just did the same thing. :beerme:

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:50 PM
Rollins grounds out to 1st on the first pitch. 1 out.

Screwball
05-19-2009, 08:51 PM
Good ol' George Grande.... "Darnell just missed that one" :lol:

You always say that George

Well he was right. If McDonald had gotten all of it, that ball probly would've made it all the way to the warning track. ;)

redsmetz
05-19-2009, 08:51 PM
My son just texted me from OSU saying that Soto is in the dugout tonight.

redsmetz
05-19-2009, 08:52 PM
All the way back to the track, Taveras brings it in. Whoo.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:52 PM
Utley flies out to the track in center. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:54 PM
Ibanez grounds out to 1st. 1-0 Phillies mid 3rd.

GAC
05-19-2009, 08:55 PM
My son just texted me from OSU saying that Soto is in the dugout tonight.

Great shot of Mario in the dugout. He was using his teeth trying to open up some sort of package.... and wasn't having much luck! :p:

Superdude
05-19-2009, 08:55 PM
this umpire sucks! Utley and Ibanez should both have been down looking

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 08:57 PM
this umpire sucks! Utley and Ibanez should both have been down looking

And it only took 3 innings. What was the over/under for the ump sucks in the 3rd inning? :O)

Screwball
05-19-2009, 08:59 PM
Gonzalez needs to quit swinging at ball 4s.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 08:59 PM
Gonzalez flies out to right. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:00 PM
Cueto grounds out to Hamels. 2 outs.

GAC
05-19-2009, 09:02 PM
A 1-2-3 3rd for Hamels

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:02 PM
Taveras flies out to right. 1-0 Phillies after 3.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:05 PM
Howard grounds out to 1st. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:06 PM
Werth grounds out to 3rd. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:08 PM
Victorino grounds out to short. 1-0 Phillies mid 4th.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:11 PM
Hairston grounds out to 3rd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:12 PM
Phillips grounds out to 1st. 2 outs.

Screwball
05-19-2009, 09:12 PM
Whoever designed GABP didn't take into account this little thing called the sun.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:14 PM
Missed it by an at bat. :O) Bruce...GONE! :jump:

To be fair...I am in a different time zone...that's the reason for the delay.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:15 PM
Bruce homers into the bullpen!! Tie game 1-1.

GAC
05-19-2009, 09:15 PM
Bruce with #12

1-1 game

mth123
05-19-2009, 09:15 PM
Bruce is good.

Screwball
05-19-2009, 09:15 PM
Bruce looked like he hit that out with 1 hand. Dude has all kinds of power.

GAC
05-19-2009, 09:15 PM
sure would be nice to have some guys on base when he hits those.

I wonder how many solo shots he has this year?

mth123
05-19-2009, 09:16 PM
sure would be nice to have some guys on base when he hits those.

I wonder how many solo shots he has this year?

Where have I heard this before? Next Marty will be blaming it on Jay.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:17 PM
Hernandez looking good tonight at the plate. 2 for 2 with a single now.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:17 PM
Another great AB by Hernandez. Hernandez singles to left.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:19 PM
Rosales hit it hard but foul.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:19 PM
Adam almost got that one. Just hooked foul.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:19 PM
Rosales strikes out swinging. 4 Ks for Hamels. Tie game 1-1 after 4.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:21 PM
Through 4:

Hamels 78 pitches
Cueto 62 pitches

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:22 PM
Feliz lead off double.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:22 PM
Feliz doubles off the wall in right center.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:23 PM
That pitch count I just posted was from Gameday but that does not really seem right. It does not seem like Hamels has thrown near that many pitches.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:24 PM
I really like Bruce's arm. Goodness gracious. :O)

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:24 PM
Ruiz flies out to right. No one runs on Jay Bruce!

Screwball
05-19-2009, 09:24 PM
Feliz doubles off the wall in right center.

Just can't make mistakes to this line-up. Even Pedrio Feliz will make you pay.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:25 PM
Hamels singles to left. 1st and 3rd.

Screwball
05-19-2009, 09:25 PM
Hamels looks like a pretty competent hitter up there.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:26 PM
Now would be a nice time for a DP.

Or a K. That'll work too.

Falls City Beer
05-19-2009, 09:26 PM
Lost a little concentration there Johnny. Probably going to cost a lead at least.

GAC
05-19-2009, 09:27 PM
Where have I heard this before? Next Marty will be blaming it on Jay.


I wasn't implying that. Feel sorry Bruce. He's doing his part. The indictment should on those guys ahead of him, and a manager who downplays OB% at the top of the order. ;)

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:28 PM
That 2-2 pitch was close. Cueto is getting no calls on the corner.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:28 PM
Rollins doubles. 2-1 Phillies. 2nd and 3rd.

mth123
05-19-2009, 09:29 PM
I wasn't implying that. Feel sorry Bruce. He's doing his part. The indictment should on those guys ahead of him, and a manager who downplays OB% at the top of the order. ;)

I know, but we'll see how long it takes before others start blaming Bruce.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:29 PM
Crud. The wheels coming off a bit this inning.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:29 PM
Utley singles in a run. 3-1 Phillies. 1st and 3rd.

Falls City Beer
05-19-2009, 09:29 PM
Man, you hate to see a guy take the L when if he gets the pitcher the damage is minimal.

They play this game ten times--same starters--the Reds might win one. Not going to get upset about a loss like this one.

GAC
05-19-2009, 09:31 PM
It's just sad, IMO, watching our pitchers put in good performances, and at least keep us in games, yet get very little support from this offense. Really puts the pressure on the pitcher (and defense). You just can't keep doing that to your staff IMO.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:32 PM
Come on guys...way too early to be giving up already. 2 run game. It's FAR from over.

Falls City Beer
05-19-2009, 09:33 PM
It's just sad, IMO, watching our pitchers put in good performances, and at least keep us in games, yet get very little support from this offense. Really puts the pressure on the pitcher (and defense). You just can't keep doing that to your staff IMO.

The offense and pitching have both been pretty good. But let's face it: it's the Phils' offense and Hamels pitching--no one's going to do much against that.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:33 PM
Sac fly to make it 4-1. 2 down.

Screwball
05-19-2009, 09:34 PM
Ibanez had a really solid at-bat. Fouled off a lot of tough pitches before that sac fly.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:35 PM
Howard k's to end the inning. 4-1 Phils. Now let's pull out the lumbar!

Superdude
05-19-2009, 09:36 PM
this is the best I've seen Cueto's fastball all year, but he can't seem to get any other pitches working.

Falls City Beer
05-19-2009, 09:37 PM
Come on guys...way too early to be giving up already. 2 run game. It's FAR from over.

Just tell me the Phils have Milton coming in to relieve Hamels and the Reds have Mariano Rivera circa 1999 set to pitch the last 4 frames for the Reds and I'll feel a little better.

mth123
05-19-2009, 09:37 PM
The offense and pitching have both been pretty good. But let's face it: it's the Phils' offense and Hamels pitching--no one's going to do much against that.

Philly hit a lot of balls hard. Its not like he pitched in tough luck that inning.

The Reds have hit some hard shots off Hamels as well. Maybe the long inning will get him.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:38 PM
McDonald grounds out to short. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:39 PM
Gonzalez pops out to 1st. 2 outs.

Falls City Beer
05-19-2009, 09:39 PM
this is the best I've seen Cueto's fastball all year, but he can't seem to get any other pitches working.

From what I've seen of the game all of Cueto's stuff's been working. Just had a lapse in concentration in facing Hamels and that opened the floodgates. Another lesson learned.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:39 PM
Batting McDonald and Gonzalez back to back is basically giving the other team 2 free outs whenever they come up.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:40 PM
Cueto walks.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:42 PM
Taveras strikes out swinging. 5 Ks. 4-1 Phillies after 5.

Kc61
05-19-2009, 09:43 PM
The Reds offense is bad enough but facing Peavy and Hamels in consecutive games is just a little unfair.

alloverjr
05-19-2009, 09:43 PM
Walt deserves this.

mth123
05-19-2009, 09:44 PM
From what I've seen of the game all of Cueto's stuff's been working. Just had a lapse in concentration in facing Hamels and that opened the floodgates. Another lesson learned.

He gave up a lot of Ropes to guys not named Hamels.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:45 PM
Werth flies out to right. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:47 PM
Victorino grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

Falls City Beer
05-19-2009, 09:47 PM
He gave up a lot of Ropes to guys not named Hamels.

But it got a lot worse after Hamels. A young pitcher sees Hamels as a respite when he should view him mentally as just as dangerous as Ryan Howard.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:48 PM
Way to bounce back Cueto. 1-2-3.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:49 PM
Feliz grounds out to short. 4-1 Phillies mid 6th.

mth123
05-19-2009, 09:49 PM
But it got a lot worse after Hamels.

Good bounce back there.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:51 PM
Cueto has shown a ton more maturity this year. Really nice to see.

membengal
05-19-2009, 09:52 PM
Little pieces of the joy that Reds fans take in the season wilt every time McDonald takes the field at this point. It is moving over to just cruel to force an already offensively challenged club to carry him.

And, Reds Fanatic is right, McDonald and Gonzalez back to back is simply a ridiculously free pass to opposing pitchers, much less to Cole Hamels.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:52 PM
Hairston homers to left! 4-2 Phillies.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:52 PM
Hairston! 4-2 Reds! #4 for JHJ. :jump:

GAC
05-19-2009, 09:53 PM
JHJ puts a charge into one

4-2 now

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:53 PM
Hamels is right at 100 pitches. If we get to him this inning a bit...we'll be looking at the Phils' pen shortly.

mth123
05-19-2009, 09:54 PM
JHJ making KC61 look pretty smart. He's winning me over and I wanted the Reds to pass on him - expecially after signing Willy.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:54 PM
Phillips triples down the right field line.

GAC
05-19-2009, 09:54 PM
BP triples

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:54 PM
Phillips with a triple down the line. Nice aggressive baserunning there. Man, he was FLYING!

Screwball
05-19-2009, 09:55 PM
Excellent baserunning from Phillips on that triple.

GAC
05-19-2009, 09:55 PM
C'mon Bruce. At least get the run in buddy.

Falls City Beer
05-19-2009, 09:55 PM
Forget McDonald; this offense without Votto's in big trouble.

GAC
05-19-2009, 09:56 PM
not a good AB... Bruce Ks

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:56 PM
Darnit! Bruce k's.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:56 PM
Bruce strikes out swinging on an inside fastball. Reds have to get the runner in from 3rd.

GAC
05-19-2009, 09:57 PM
Mr Contact Ramon gets the run in

4-3 now

membengal
05-19-2009, 09:57 PM
Forget McDonald; this offense without Votto's in big trouble.

Of course.

And makes McDonald even more an albatross this club cannot afford to carry. It's just stupid.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:57 PM
Hernandez sac fly to right. 3 good ABs from Hernandez. 4-3 Phillies.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:57 PM
I think Hernandez would be a good cleanup hitter for this team.

Falls City Beer
05-19-2009, 09:58 PM
Of course.

And makes McDonald even more an albatross this club cannot afford to carry. It's just stupid.

Let me amend: this offense without Votto and even with Gomes instead of McDonald is in big trouble.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 09:58 PM
Adam draws a sprint. Nice.

(I refuse to call them "walks" to Adam)

membengal
05-19-2009, 09:59 PM
Let's see if I have reverse jinxed McDonald.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 09:59 PM
Rosales walks.

SirFelixCat
05-19-2009, 09:59 PM
Hernandez sure making a case for the #4 spot in the lineup.

GAC
05-19-2009, 09:59 PM
Let me amend: this offense without Votto

I think one can say that about any team that loses one of their main offensive cogs though.

membengal
05-19-2009, 10:00 PM
Let me amend: this offense without Votto and even with Gomes instead of McDonald is in big trouble.

True. But there is no reason to choose the weaker of the offensive options for an offensively challenged club. Not on a team with Dickerson to help defensively.

GAC
05-19-2009, 10:00 PM
Hernandez sure making a case for the #4 spot in the lineup.

Is he Tony Perez-lite? Mr clutch?

GAC
05-19-2009, 10:01 PM
Darnell sucks

membengal
05-19-2009, 10:02 PM
Useless.

And senseless. Shame on Jocketty for continuing this farce.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:02 PM
McDonald strikes out swinging. 4-3 Phillies after 6. Good news is Hamels should be done for the night.

Screwball
05-19-2009, 10:02 PM
Let's see if I have reverse jinxed McDonald.

Dude, you jinxed your reverse jinx by bringing up the original jinx. For shame mem.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:03 PM
And with this 0-3 from Darnell, he now slips below the Mendoza line.

Falls City Beer
05-19-2009, 10:03 PM
I imagine this is probably McDonald's last start. He's potentially in his last few games with the team.

mth123
05-19-2009, 10:03 PM
And with this 0-3 from Darnell, he now slips below the Mendoza line.

Its still his career year.

membengal
05-19-2009, 10:04 PM
Dude, you jinxed your reverse jinx by bringing up the original jinx. For shame mem.


Good point. Unless the chasm of ineptitude that is McDonald defies all jinxes, reverse or otherwise.

I would argue that it does.

membengal
05-19-2009, 10:04 PM
I imagine this is probably McDonald's last start. He's potentially in his last few games with the team.

So soon?

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:05 PM
Ruiz strikes out looking. 4 Ks for Cueto. 1 out.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:05 PM
108 pitches by Cueto and he's still firing BB's.

SirFelixCat
05-19-2009, 10:05 PM
I imagine this is probably McDonald's last start. He's potentially in his last few games with the team.

It should be. He should be on his way out of Cincy after the game tonight. I mean, Walk isn't an idiot, he HAS to see what we see, right?

And Cueto really has grown up a whole lot this year. Love watching him pitch.

SirFelixCat
05-19-2009, 10:06 PM
This should be Cueto's last inning, right?

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:06 PM
Dobbs pinch hits and grounds out to 2nd. 2outs.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:06 PM
Dobbs (ph) 1st pitch swinging grounder to make it 2 outs.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-19-2009, 10:06 PM
I'd much rather see Micah Owings in left field than Darnell McDonald. I'd rather see Ronald McDonald in left field than Darnell. I'd even take Grimace.

SirFelixCat
05-19-2009, 10:07 PM
Plenty of room :scared: ;)

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:07 PM
Rollins flies out to the warning track in right. 4-3 Phillies mid 7th.

Red in Chicago
05-19-2009, 10:07 PM
Ok, we've established that most don't like McDonald, but let's move on please.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:08 PM
Nice catch by Bruce to end the inning. Another 1-2-3 from Cueto.

I'd think he's done, but other than that 5th inning, this has been a pretty stress-free night from Cueto. But 112 pitches...yeah, he's most likely done.

Falls City Beer
05-19-2009, 10:08 PM
Very different ballgame had Cueto focused against Hamels. Ah well.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:08 PM
It should be. He should be on his way out of Cincy after the game tonight. I mean, Walk isn't an idiot, he HAS to see what we see, right?

And Cueto really has grown up a whole lot this year. Love watching him pitch.
He should be gone but I don't count on him being sent down. Most of us have known he doesn't belong up since early April and here on May 19th he is still here.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:09 PM
That is 112 pitches for Cueto so that should be it for tonight. Plus he is due up 2nd.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:09 PM
Clay Condrey in for Hamels.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:11 PM
Gonzalez grounds out to 1st. 1 out. Dickerson pinch hitting.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:11 PM
Not a bad start for Cueto. He had the one inning he struggled but was solid the rest of the night. 7IP, 7H, 4ER, 0BB, 4 K.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:12 PM
Condrey's allowed 3 dingers this year. Like everyone on this Phillies staff...they do allow the gopher balls. Anybody notice how many more they've allowed than the rest of the league. Wow. Good thing they've got a nice offense.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:13 PM
Nice AB from Dickerson. Really nice to see the patience.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:13 PM
Good AB. Dickerson draws a walk.

Screwball
05-19-2009, 10:13 PM
Dickerson's got a great eye.

Falls City Beer
05-19-2009, 10:14 PM
Condrey's allowed 3 dingers this year. Like everyone on this Phillies staff...they do allow the gopher balls. Anybody notice how many more they've allowed than the rest of the league. Wow. Good thing they've got a nice offense.

They play in a park that only GAB can match for dinger-ability.

Kc61
05-19-2009, 10:14 PM
Dickerson walks. He looks more comfortable up there lately. Would like to see Chris get some at bats when righties are pitching.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:14 PM
Taveras grounds into a 6-4 FC. Taveras should be running here.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:14 PM
Willy grounds out to short, but no throw to first. 2 down, Taveras on first.

Well, I'd say his hot streak has come to a grinding halt.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:15 PM
They play in a park that only GAB can match for dinger-ability.

True, but they're allowing them everywhere. Lots of flyball pitchers on this staff.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:18 PM
Taveras swipes 2nd. Two down.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:18 PM
Taveras steals 2nd. His 11th steal of the year.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:19 PM
Hairston grounds out to short. 4-3 Phils after 7

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:19 PM
Hairston grounds out to short. 4-3 Phillies after 7.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:20 PM
With the Reds team speed, I'd really like to see them more aggressive on the paths than they have been. Especially earlier in the counts.

Not just Taveras. Bruce, Phillips, Hairston, Dickerson, Janish, Rosales, Votto. There's lots of potential base thieves there.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:21 PM
Rhodes in to face the lefty batters in the 8th.

GAC
05-19-2009, 10:22 PM
I'd even take Grimace.

Some felt we had Grimace in LF last year. :D

Gallen5862
05-19-2009, 10:22 PM
Let's get some runs Reds.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:23 PM
Utley pops out to 2nd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:24 PM
Ibanez grounds out to short. 2 outs.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:24 PM
Let's get some runs Reds.

I agree, but we should probably wait until we're allowed to bat. :D

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:26 PM
Howard walks.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:27 PM
1st walk of the game by Reds pitchers.

I really like seeing the "0 BB" in Cueto's line. That's a formula for success for him.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:28 PM
Werth grounds into a 6-4 FC. 4-3 Phillies mid 8th.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:28 PM
Werth grounds out to end the inning. 4-3 Phils with our big boppers coming up. Phillips, Bruce, Hernandez due up.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:28 PM
Phillips, Bruce and Hernandez due up.

thatcoolguy_22
05-19-2009, 10:29 PM
From NmCulbreth




Let's revisit some of the trades you mention...

In exchange for Erik Bedard the Orioles received Adam Jones, George Sherrill, Chris Tillman and two more fringe players. At the time of the trade Adam Jones was a top 30 prospect and he's currently posting a .370 / .426 / 1.095 line in the majors. Sherrill became the Oriole's closer and made the All Star game last season. Tillman is currently in AAA and Baseball America rates him as the 22nd best prospect in all of baseball.

In exchange for Dan Haren the A's recieved Brett Anderson, Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith, Dana Eveland and two more fringe prospects. Coming into the season Anderson was rated the 7th best prospect in baseball and as a 21 year-old he's already in the A's starting rotation. Gonzalez was considered a top 30 prospect last year and was the centerpiece of the deal that brought Matt Holliday from Colorado. Eveland and Smith both grade out as back of the rotation arms and Smith was included as a part of the Holliday deal.

A package of Bailey, Stubbs and EE doesn't even come close to approaching those two deals in terms of value. Encarnacion is only under contract through next season, he's becoming expensive and the Padres already have Kouzmanoff and Chase Headley at 3B. Given the Padres situation I'd imagine they'd have absolutely no interest in him.

If you're going to use the Bedard and Haren deals as a model for any Peavy deal, you're looking at a package something like Bailey, Alonso, Soto / Francisco and Roenicke / Fischer.


Looking at this post and our putrid offense is it worth chasing a Matt Holiday or other elite type bat for LF or 3B?

GAC
05-19-2009, 10:29 PM
BP, Bruce, and Ramon due up.

It's now or never guys, before we get to McDonald and the bottom of the order.

Will Votto get a PH chance?

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:30 PM
Ryan Madsen in.

Gallen5862
05-19-2009, 10:30 PM
What roster moves were made today?

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:30 PM
Nice way to start it off Brandon. Lead off single.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:30 PM
Phillips singles to center. Now is Phillips running.

GAC
05-19-2009, 10:30 PM
BP leadoff single

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:31 PM
What roster moves were made today?

Ramon Ramirez up for Masset to the DL

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:31 PM
Madson is in to pitch this inning

GAC
05-19-2009, 10:31 PM
Give us a 1 run lead here Bruce. ;)

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:33 PM
Phillips needs to be running here.

GAC
05-19-2009, 10:33 PM
Bruce Ks and looks bad doing it too. A change up.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:33 PM
Bruce K's. Looked bad there.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:33 PM
Bruce chases a low and outside pitch. 1 out.

Gallen5862
05-19-2009, 10:33 PM
Thanks for the roster info Sir Charles.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:34 PM
Only 1 HR from Ramon....he's due.

Tony Cloninger
05-19-2009, 10:34 PM
Not even close there.....his change up is NOT that good.

GAC
05-19-2009, 10:35 PM
Phillips needs to be running here.

BP does not have a good steal % this season (4 fer 7). You can't give up an out right now when you need base runners.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:36 PM
Why is Brandon not running here? I don't get that.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:37 PM
Hernandez grounds out to 3rd. Phillips goes to 2nd. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:38 PM
Rosales flies out to right. 4-3 Phillies after 8.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:39 PM
Rosales pops out to end the inning.

Steal a base during the Bruce AB and you start to put some pressure on the pitcher and you move the defense around. Standing pat just plays into the Phillies hand there IMO.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:40 PM
Cordero in for the 9th.

CTA513
05-19-2009, 10:40 PM
Is Votto available to pinch hit tonight?

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:41 PM
Cordero in for the 9th

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:41 PM
Is Votto available to pinch hit tonight?

I don't even think he's in the dugout is he? I thought he was at the hospital for tests all day today.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:43 PM
Victorino K's...and he ain't too happy about it.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:43 PM
Victorino strikes out looking. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:44 PM
I don't even think he's in the dugout is he? I thought he was at the hospital for tests all day today.He is in the dugout but I doubt he will be used since they still don't really know what is wrong with him.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:44 PM
Feliz grounds out to 3rd on the first pitch. 2 outs.

Kc61
05-19-2009, 10:44 PM
I don't even think he's in the dugout is he? I thought he was at the hospital for tests all day today.

Votto was in the dugout, at least earlier. Would be great if he can swing the bat. Votto and Owings would be good ninth inning pinch hitters in this game.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:45 PM
1-2-3 for Cordero. In a non-save situation...wow. Nice change of pace there Coco.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:46 PM
Ruiz flies out to center. 4-3 Phillies mid 9th.

McDonald, Gonzalez, pinch hitter due up. Reds should be using a lot of pinch hitters here.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:47 PM
I'd take our chances with any of our available PH'ers tonight. Hanigan, Janish, Votto, Nix & Owings. The first 2 don't have the power, but they're both hitting VERY well this year.

jojo
05-19-2009, 10:47 PM
Victorino K's...and he ain't too happy about it.

Very close pitch but it ate up the plate. Perhaps if it was on the corner too, the call goes the other way. Way too close to take with two strikes either way.

Homer Bailey
05-19-2009, 10:47 PM
If McDonald hits here, I'm going on furlow with Fay.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:47 PM
Lidge in to pitch

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:47 PM
Lidge in to close it. 0-1 with 2 blown saves and an ERA of 8.31

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:48 PM
Quickly 0-2 to McDonald.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:49 PM
LOL. Just for a second I thought McDonald was trying to shut up RZ for the night. But just a loud out to the track.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:49 PM
McDonald flies out to right. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:49 PM
Infield hit for Gonzalez.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:49 PM
Gonzo safe at first on the Rollins bobble. E? Nope, they call it a single.

Janish pinch running. Nix pinch hitting.

Tony Cloninger
05-19-2009, 10:50 PM
The bad thing about the Reds coming home...is having to hear Grande's inane....add nothing to the game... reporting.

RBA
05-19-2009, 10:50 PM
Will Nix hit a walkoff?

jojo
05-19-2009, 10:50 PM
Boy this is a giftwrapped save opportunity for Lidge if Dusty doesn't use PH profusely.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:50 PM
Janish is running for Gonzalez.
Nix is hitting for Cordero.

LoganBuck
05-19-2009, 10:50 PM
You know I have moved into outward disgust and hatred of Darnell McDonald.

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:51 PM
Lidge getting squeezed a bit here. 3-0 to Nix.

RBA
05-19-2009, 10:53 PM
2 on 1 out.

jojo
05-19-2009, 10:53 PM
Fun stuff.........

_Sir_Charles_
05-19-2009, 10:53 PM
Nix walks. Nice AB there. 1st & 2nd with 1 out. Top of the order coming up.

VR
05-19-2009, 10:53 PM
Lidge getting squeezed a bit here. 3-0 to Nix.

Nice ab for Nix.

Reds Fanatic
05-19-2009, 10:53 PM
Nix walks. 1st and 2nd. Taveras up. I would use Owings here. Taveras really has not looked good the last 4 games.

VR
05-19-2009, 10:53 PM
Taveras to bunt.