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Reds Fanatic
05-31-2009, 01:18 PM
Lineups:


Reds (26 - 22)
3rd in NL Central
Brewers (29 - 20)
1st in NL Central

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. C Dickerson, CF .250 2 8 1
2. J Hairston Jr., 3B .270 7 16 4
3. J Bruce, RF .230 14 29 3
4. B Phillips, 2B .275 8 35 4
5. L Nix, LF .273 4 10 0
6. R Hernandez, 1B .291 3 20 0
7. A Gonzalez, SS .215 2 16 0
8. R Hanigan, C .328 1 4 0
9. M Owings, P .296 1 4 0

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. C Counsell, 2B .327 1 8 0
2. J Hardy, SS .239 5 23 0
3. R Braun, LF .318 9 32 3
4. P Fielder, 1B .278 12 48 0
5. M Cameron, CF .279 10 24 2
6. M Gamel, 3B .160 1 5 0
7. C Hart, RF .256 5 19 3
8. J Kendall, C .203 0 15 0
9. Y Gallardo, P .190 2 4 0

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
M Owings 3 5 4.78 1.53 30

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
Y Gallardo 4 2 3.32 1.08 56

Joseph
05-31-2009, 02:34 PM
Can we avoid the sweep?

fisch11
05-31-2009, 02:39 PM
This game was the most unlikely game they would win of the entire series. With that in mind, they will probably win.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:11 PM
Gallardo is dealing, nasty heater, devastating curve, Dickerson and JHJ have Kd in short order.

Not a pleasant start to the game. Crowd roaring already on every pitch.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:12 PM
He Ks the side. He may K 27 today if he pitches like that the rest of the game.

Owings had best be ready to meet the moment or this will be over quickly.

Joseph
05-31-2009, 03:12 PM
Bruce looks like such a guess hitter right now its not even funny.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:24 PM
Counsell flies out to LF.

Hardy walks.

Braun hit and run single to rf, Hardy to third.

Fielder flies to short LF, runner cannot tag.

Two outs, two on.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:25 PM
Cameron singles to LF. Brewers up 1-0.

Joseph
05-31-2009, 03:27 PM
Ugly.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:27 PM
Bloop single scores another, runner from first to third.

2-0 Brewers.

And...I am having a tough time working out a scenario where the Reds have a shot in this one.

Gallardo is close to unhittable in day games, particularly day games at Miller.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:29 PM
Hart flies to CF.

2-0 Brewers after one.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:32 PM
Phillips gets on with a HBP.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:33 PM
Gallardo's ERA this season during day games is 0.00.

WP moves Phillips to 3b.

1-2 count on Nix.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:34 PM
Nix Ks.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:38 PM
Ramon works a BB. Nice at-bat.

Alex G up.

Why is he hitting ahead of Hanigan at this point?

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:39 PM
Alex G on a 1-0 pitch chases a ball he couldn't hit with a boat oar and flings his bat 4 rows up in the stands while flailing. He does that a lot.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:41 PM
Nice comeback for Alex G, and feeds a mistake pitch into CF for a single.

Bases loaded, one out. Hanigan up.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:43 PM
Haingan Ks.

Up to Owings.

5th K in 5 outs for Gallardo.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:45 PM
Owings Ks on three pitches. All curves. He's going to have to stop swinging at those as they won't keep throwing him fastballs.

2-0 Brewers middle of two.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:48 PM
Owings walks Kendall on four pitches.

Seriously.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:50 PM
Gallardo gets the bunt down.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:51 PM
Counsell bloop single to LF, runners on 1st and 3rd.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:52 PM
Hardy sac fly to CF.

3-0 Brewer lead.

membengal
05-31-2009, 03:57 PM
Guys, I have to attend to some stuff in and around the house and move to listening to it. Can't keep up the PBP. Not sure anyone will want to read PBP anyway...

We are 3-0 Brewers after 2.

Kc61
05-31-2009, 03:58 PM
Tough for the Reds to come back against this pitcher. Big opportunity wasted last inning when Hanigan couldn't make contact with bags full. Seemed like a great fastball by pitcher struck him out, but it 's a big play.

A longball by Bruce would help. If he isn't going to get on base much, he needs to hit the long ball in a game like this.

Now pitcher Gallardo has to remove a band aid on his arm that was distracting Reds hitters. That explains everything. Nice work, Dusty.

mth123
05-31-2009, 03:59 PM
Gallardo on pace for 27K. With these hackers he could set a record today.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:01 PM
Dickerson Pops up in a mini-victory. 1 out

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:02 PM
Cameron and Braun let one drop. Hairston on 2B.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:03 PM
Bruce singles in Hairston.

Kc61
05-31-2009, 04:04 PM
RBI single by Bruce, hopefully will get his bat going to bigger and better things. I'd love to see the Reds come back here. Listening to the Brewers' announcers this weekend makes be crave for a Reds win.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:06 PM
Phillips singles. 1st and 2nd. 1 out.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:10 PM
Hernadez Ks. Reds are out, 3-1. Missed somebody.

Kc61
05-31-2009, 04:10 PM
Hernadez Ks. Reds are out, 3-1. Missed somebody.

Nix K'd.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:13 PM
8 K in three innings???

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:14 PM
Cameron 2 run homer.

Kc61
05-31-2009, 04:14 PM
Fielder walks. Cameron homers. I'm done for today, as Owings should be.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:15 PM
Think I'll stick around to see if Gallardo can run at the record for K's in a game.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:16 PM
Gamel singles.

membengal
05-31-2009, 04:17 PM
Think I'll stick around to see if Gallardo can run at the record for K's in a game.

I think he can.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2009, 04:18 PM
Owings - bullpen

Burton - AAA (Lincoln's got a 2 yr deal, which was stupid, and I don't think he has options).

Maloney - give him his shot!

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:18 PM
Hart with a hit past Hairston. Probably shoulda been a DP.

membengal
05-31-2009, 04:18 PM
I still would call up Alonso.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:20 PM
DP 5-4-3. 2 outs and Gallardo up with a guy on 3B.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2009, 04:20 PM
I still would call up Alonso.


Um....no.

Kc61
05-31-2009, 04:22 PM
Owings - bullpen

Burton - AAA (Lincoln's got a 2 yr deal, which was stupid, and I don't think he has options).

Maloney - give him his shot!

When Volquez returns tomorrow Burton should go down.

I wouldn't dump Owings over this, let him work through it.

Lincoln threw pretty well last night, maybe he'll come back. With the two year deal I don't think he's going anywhere.

If Owings continues to struggle, then Maloney takes his spot. Next time Reds need a replacement starter, it should be Maloney. Next replacement reliever should be Roenicke or Manuel.

membengal
05-31-2009, 04:25 PM
Um....no.

Um...yes.

He's on the 40 man. He can hit ml pitching right now. They need the stick at that position with Votto gone. He's already 22, it's not like he's a babe in the woods.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2009, 04:27 PM
When Volquez returns tomorrow Burton should go down.

I wouldn't dump Owings over this, let him work through it.

Lincoln threw pretty well last night, maybe he'll come back. With the two year deal I don't think he's going anywhere.

If Owings continues to struggle, then Maloney takes his spot. Next time Reds need a replacement starter, it should be Maloney. Next replacement reliever should be Roenicke or Manuel.

Fair enough.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2009, 04:29 PM
Um...yes.

He's on the 40 man. He can hit ml pitching right now. They need the stick at that position with Votto gone. He's already 22, it's not like he's a babe in the woods.

He's not even in AA yet....I'm all for that promotion, and hopefully putting him on pace to come up in September (or late summer if the opportunity opens itself)

remdog
05-31-2009, 04:29 PM
I wouldn't be opposed to giving Maloney a shot but I get visions of Phil Dumatrait when I think of him. I have no observations or numbers to suggest that but it just pops into my head.

As for Alonso, he needs to grow his game and the Bigs isn't the place to do it.

Rem

VR
05-31-2009, 04:29 PM
Gallardo went 126 5 days ago....I'm guessing he's not going to be around for anywhere near that today.....he's at 70 through 3 2/3 right now.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:30 PM
Owings Ks. Number 9. Gonzalez (Double) on 2B with 2 out.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:31 PM
Dickerson walks. If Hairston can do something, this could still be a game.

VR
05-31-2009, 04:32 PM
Good ab for Dickerson.

Take one here JHG

membengal
05-31-2009, 04:32 PM
He's not even in AA yet....I'm all for that promotion, and hopefully putting him on pace to come up in September (or late summer if the opportunity opens itself)

That's their fault. If they had started him in AA, he would be OPSing .875 or better there too. He's just a natural hitter. He can help this team. Now. And they need his help. Now.

This season can slip away in an eye-blink this next 15 days with Votto gone, against this particular competition.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:34 PM
Hairston fouls out to Fielder. 5-1.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:37 PM
Counsell ground back to Owings. 1 out.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:38 PM
Hardy grounds to Hernandez unassisted. 2 outs.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:39 PM
Braun grounds back to Owings. Wow 1-2-3.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2009, 04:40 PM
That was better, Micah!

Kc61
05-31-2009, 04:41 PM
I wouldn't be opposed to giving Maloney a shot but I get visions of Phil Dumatrait when I think of him. I have no observations or numbers to suggest that but it just pops into my head.

As for Alonso, he needs to grow his game and the Bigs isn't the place to do it.

Rem

Maloney and Dumatrait both tall lefties. But I think the comparison ends there.

Dumatrait always had trouble with high walk totals. Maloney hardly ever walks anyone.

And Dumatrait got his AAA ERA down in the mid-3 range. Maloney is at 2.33 this year, and has been far more dominant at this level than Dumatrait was.

My guess, based on the public reports and following his progress, is that Maloney could be a left handed Bronson Arroyo type pitcher. If he can get his fastball up to respectable levels, say 88-90 on a regular basis, he can be successful using an assortment of pitches and command. If his fastball is mid-80s, and hitters don't have to worry about it, he will get tagged.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:43 PM
Braun robs Bruce of two bases. 1 out.

WVRedsFan
05-31-2009, 04:43 PM
It's almost like the Reds have to have perfect pitching to win. This series, the long ball killed both Cueto and Harang and the offense couldn't score enough to keep up. If Alfonso brings offense, then bring him up. We need offense.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:43 PM
Phillips Homer!!!!!

remdog
05-31-2009, 04:44 PM
J-Boy needs to get sometihing going.

I'm a bit surprised that BP has a hit with that broken thumb.

Nix has certainly cooled off.

That's our prospective batters for this inning.

Edit: Never mind. :lol:

Rem

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:44 PM
Nix grounds out.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2009, 04:44 PM
:jump:

Ryan Braun's awesomeness prevented that from adding 2

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:45 PM
:jump:

Ryan Braun's awesomeness prevented that from tying the game

That Homer made it 5-2.

WVRedsFan
05-31-2009, 04:46 PM
You have to also wonder if Jay Bruce will ever reach his potential as a hitter. Just thinking out loud here. This has been a depressing series.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:46 PM
Hernandez grounds to Fielder. 5-2 middle of 5.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2009, 04:46 PM
That Homer made it 5-2.

I know...brain fart :)

Kc61
05-31-2009, 04:48 PM
It's almost like the Reds have to have perfect pitching to win. This series, the long ball killed both Cueto and Harang and the offense couldn't score enough to keep up. If Alfonso brings offense, then bring him up. We need offense.

Without Votto the Reds need an offensive threat. The only options I see are Alonso -- or possibly using Gomes at first base on a regular basis and hoping he hits all kinds of pitching.

Probably good to stay conservative with Alonso for his own development, but the Reds need a threat, particularly from the left side, and I don't see other options in the organization.

BCubb2003
05-31-2009, 04:48 PM
I'm a bit surprised that BP has a hit with that broken thumb.



Break all their thumbs!

Falls City Beer
05-31-2009, 04:50 PM
The Reds are the NL's version of KC, Toronto: get hot, fall back to the pack by Memorial Day. Yeah, it's injuries, no doubt. But it's also no depth.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:57 PM
Gonzalez flies to center.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:57 PM
Hanigan with a gapper for a double.

Falls City Beer
05-31-2009, 04:58 PM
Hanigan = team MVP thus far.

mth123
05-31-2009, 04:59 PM
Owings singles. first and third 1 out. Dickerson up.

mth123
05-31-2009, 05:00 PM
No record. Gallardo out of the game. A lefty coming in. Gomes here?

membengal
05-31-2009, 05:00 PM
Lefty coming in, pinch hit Gomes here? If so, who plays CF?

mth123
05-31-2009, 05:00 PM
Lefty coming in, pinch hit Gomes here? If so, who plays CF?

Nix or Bruce. Both better defenders than Taveras anyhow.

wheels
05-31-2009, 05:01 PM
Would love to see extra bases of some sort from dickerson here.

mth123
05-31-2009, 05:02 PM
Dickerson batting. This is a mistake IMO.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2009, 05:02 PM
Hanigan = team MVP thus far.

I think Votto would be the front runner for that....but I'm a BIG fan of Hannigan. All he does is produce.

mth123
05-31-2009, 05:03 PM
Dickerson FC. Hanigan holds third. 2 outs for Hairston.

membengal
05-31-2009, 05:03 PM
Dickerson batting. This is a mistake IMO.

Stetter is their ONLY left-hander out of the pen. Yeah, Gomes might have been a decent play there.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2009, 05:03 PM
well....poo

membengal
05-31-2009, 05:06 PM
Ridiculous.

mth123
05-31-2009, 05:07 PM
Hairston K's and looks bad doing it. Wasted chance.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2009, 05:07 PM
JHJ has put together a pretty good season so far....I guess he's not Corey Patterson :D

Bad day though....not just him.

Kc61
05-31-2009, 05:09 PM
I think Votto would be the front runner for that....but I'm a BIG fan of Hannigan. All he does is produce.



Let's not get carried away on Hanigan. First off, in this game he fanned with bases loaded one out opportunity earlier. Then, on third base, Brewers handed the Reds a run there -- Dickerson ground ball, not even a look to third base, Brewers go for DP but fail to turn it. Hanigan left standing on third. Brewers announcers could not believe he stayed at third, nor could I.

Brewers pitchers may be good, but this game has been one missed Reds opportunity after the other.

Hanigan is a very good backup catcher. He's not the team MVP.

mth123
05-31-2009, 05:09 PM
Owings still out there. Who would have bet that Gallardo would be out first?

Falls City Beer
05-31-2009, 05:12 PM
Let's not get carried away on Hanigan. First off, in this game he fanned with bases loaded one out opportunity earlier. Then, on third base, Brewers handed the Reds a run there -- Dickerson ground ball, not even a look to third base, Brewers go for DP but fail to turn it. Hanigan left standing on third. Brewers announcers could not believe he stayed at third, nor could I.

Brewers pitchers may be good, but this game has been one missed Reds opportunity after the other.

Hanigan is a very good backup catcher. He's not the team MVP.

It's him, Cueto, or Rhodes. Thus far.

mth123
05-31-2009, 05:13 PM
Hart GO 6-3

mth123
05-31-2009, 05:13 PM
Kendall doubles.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2009, 05:13 PM
Micah seems to have settled down a bit.....

Kc61
05-31-2009, 05:14 PM
It's him, Cueto, or Rhodes. Thus far.

I assume you mean Votto, Cueto or Rhodes. I'd add Phillips, Arroyo and Cordero as possibilities.

mth123
05-31-2009, 05:15 PM
Hall K. 5K for Owings.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2009, 05:16 PM
It's him, Cueto, or Rhodes. Thus far.

And Votto gets overlooked for what reason?

mth123
05-31-2009, 05:17 PM
Masset coming in. Runner on second and 2 outs.

Falls City Beer
05-31-2009, 05:17 PM
And Votto gets overlooked for what reason?

Votto's borderline--being in the lineup counts.

Kc61
05-31-2009, 05:19 PM
By the way, I don't know how Dusty could leave Dickerson in that last inning against Setters. He had Gomes and Rosales from the right side. Bring in Rosales, Hairston can move to CF. Or Bruce can play center if Taveras is unavailable.

I assume Gomes will hit for Nix, but then the Brewers will go to a righty. So if he was saving Gomes, it will not get him an advantage next inning.

VR
05-31-2009, 05:19 PM
Good recovery by Owings to get through 5 2/3...hopefully Masset can shut it down for him.

VR
05-31-2009, 05:20 PM
By the way, I don't know how Dusty could leave Dickerson in that last inning against Setters. He had Gomes and Rosales from the right side. Bring in Rosales, Hairston can move to CF. Or Bruce can play center if Taveras is unavailable.

I assume Gomes will hit for Nix, but then the Brewers will go to a righty. So if he was saving Gomes, it will not get him an advantage next inning.

That did seem like the ideal opportunity to hit Gomes there.

Kc61
05-31-2009, 05:23 PM
That did seem like the ideal opportunity to hit Gomes there.

wouldn't have mattered if MVP Hanigan would have just run home.

mth123
05-31-2009, 05:27 PM
Gomes coming up and the pitching change follows. 1 out runner on first.

LvJ
05-31-2009, 05:28 PM
I love Ryan Hanigan, but team MVP? :bowrofl:

mth123
05-31-2009, 05:31 PM
Wild pick-off throw. Bruce to 2B.

mth123
05-31-2009, 05:33 PM
Gomes Ks

VR
05-31-2009, 05:34 PM
3-15 risp today

mth123
05-31-2009, 05:34 PM
Hernandez back to the mound. 3 outs.

BCubb2003
05-31-2009, 05:38 PM
3-15 risp today

That's because all the offense was spent on getting into scoring position.

Kc61
05-31-2009, 05:43 PM
Brewers TV announcers with major discussion stemming from Reds carrying 13 pitchers.

Think there are 12, actually.

Falls City Beer
05-31-2009, 05:54 PM
This team has officially just been pwned.

membengal
05-31-2009, 05:59 PM
How come George Grande can say "Hell" in "Hell's Bells" when Hoffman comes in but not "Damn" in "Best Damn Sports Show"?

BCubb2003
05-31-2009, 06:00 PM
How come George Grande can say "Hell" in "Hell's Bells" when Hoffman comes in but not "Damn" in "Best Damn Sports Show"?

I'm surprised he didn't say Heck's Becks.

Chip R
05-31-2009, 06:01 PM
Hey, did you guys know Hoffman used to be in the Reds organization?

BCubb2003
05-31-2009, 06:02 PM
Hey, did you guys know Hoffman used to be in the Reds organization?

What position did he play?

Tom Servo
05-31-2009, 06:06 PM
Man, I hate the Brewers.

WVRedsFan
05-31-2009, 06:12 PM
Man, I hate the Brewers.

Two of us. Cubs-Cardinals-Brewers-Pirates. Hate them all with a passion.

WVRedsFan
05-31-2009, 06:20 PM
It became woefully obvious today that Micah Owens is not the answer at 5th starter. It's time to try someone else, maybe Massett. Of course, it didn't matter much. When you only get two runs and seven hits, hardly anyone can win.

traderumor
05-31-2009, 08:51 PM
Hey, did you guys know Hoffman used to be in the Reds organization?Yea, but it wasn't as a pitcher, IIRC. If only the Reds had listened to Jim Tracy...:rolleyes:

lollipopcurve
05-31-2009, 10:05 PM
Yea, but it wasn't as a pitcher, IIRC.

No -- the Reds converted him to a pitcher, then left him unprotected in the expansion draft -- and the Marlins snagged him.

Raisor
05-31-2009, 10:28 PM
No -- the Reds converted him to a pitcher, then left him unprotected in the expansion draft -- and the Marlins snagged him.

IRONY ALERT!

:thumbup:

kaldaniels
06-01-2009, 12:32 AM
Two of us. Cubs-Cardinals-Brewers-Pirates. Hate them all with a passion.

Maybe its the repetition of playing all the Central teams...but I'm with you. If the Reds can't win the NL, I want the pennant winner to come from the East or West, and hope for the other Central teams to choke come playoff time.