6/24/09 Reds vs Jays

[Red in Chicago]

Per Fay:
Bit of a shakeup:

Chris Dickerson 8
Jerry Hairston Jr. 6
Joey Votto 3
Brandon Phillips 4
Laynce Nix 7
Jonny Gomes dh
Jay Bruce 9
Ramon Hernandez 2
Danny Richer 5

Bronson Arroyo 1

[WVRedsFan]

Wow. No matter how you shake it up (and I like what he's done), there still is no answer at third until Edwin comes back. Guess that's normal...

Btw, I haven't been keeping up--didn't I read where Edwin in on the 60-day DL now? Putting it August until he returns?

[Big Klu]

Wow. No matter how you shake it up (and I like what he's done), there still is no answer at third until Edwin comes back. Guess that's normal...

Btw, I haven't been keeping up--didn't I read where Edwin in on the 60-day DL now? Putting it August until he returns?

At this point, the only options at 3B are:

Adam Rosales
Danny Richar (a converted 2B)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (with Paul Janish taking over at SS).

I don't mind giving Richar a look, but I would also like to see that third option at some point.


As for Encarnacion, he was simply transferred from the 15-day DL to the 60-day DL. The time he spent on the 15-day DL counts toward his time on the 60-day DL. It's a procedural move to open a spot on the 40-man roster.

[reds44]

Wow. No matter how you shake it up (and I like what he's done), there still is no answer at third until Edwin comes back. Guess that's normal...

Btw, I haven't been keeping up--didn't I read where Edwin in on the 60-day DL now? Putting it August until he returns?
No, EE's 60 day DL is retroactive to when he originally went on the DL. He's eligible to come back Saturday, and is currently rehabbing in Louisville.

I actually like tonight's lineup.

[wheels]

Wow. No matter how you shake it up (and I like what he's done), there still is no answer at third until Edwin comes back. Guess that's normal...

Btw, I haven't been keeping up--didn't I read where Edwin in on the 60-day DL now? Putting it August until he returns?

60 Day DL was retroactive.

[reds44]

Wow, Scott Richmond is a 29 year old rookie, and look at those numbers.

[WVRedsFan]

Thanks, guys. I thought that he would be out until August. At this point, his bat is sorely needed.

[reds44]

It's not even funny about how far and above Votto is than any other hitter on the team. His approach is 2nd to none.

[WVRedsFan]

I really liked Phillips' plate discipline there.

[VR]

Dickerson pops to short
Hairston flies to left
Votto walks
BP pops to 2nd on 1st pitch.

[WVRedsFan]

At this point, the only options at 3B are:

Adam Rosales
Danny Richar (a converted 2B)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (with Paul Janish taking over at SS).

I don't mind giving Richar a look, but I would also like to see that third option at some point.


As for Encarnacion, he was simply transferred from the 15-day DL to the 60-day DL. The time he spent on the 15-day DL counts toward his time on the 60-day DL. It's a procedural move to open a spot on the 40-man roster.I also like option3. Of course, I'm not sure better defense at short and worse at third is any better.

[VR]

I really liked Phillips' plate discipline there.

at least he swung at a strike. Baby steps.

[Ltlabner]

I really liked Phillips' plate discipline there.

Seeing Votto's approach at the plate contrasted with BPhil's is striking.

[Chip R]

Why is FSO showing a repeat of last year's game?

[VR]

ok, I'm going to the gym.

[reds44]

This is kinda funny....

[dougdirt]

I feel like I have seen this before....

[Ltlabner]

Cue FCB......

Frustrating part is that tonight he's going to be totally correct in his assessment.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

If the Reds played in the AL, they might not win 50 games.

[Reds Fanatic]

Last year all over another hit

[reds44]

Eventually Arroyo has to throw at somebody. They're too comfortable in the box.

[flyer85]

will Bronson survive the first?

[WVRedsFan]

8 pitches and 3 runs. I'm going to take a nap.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

And teams are interested in Bronson Arroyo?

[Reds Fanatic]

will Bronson survive the first?

I'm wondering if he can get an out

[reds44]

Wow.

[dougdirt]

This is just dumb.

[flyer85]

the batting cage must be out there somewhere

[WVRedsFan]

11 pitches and 5 runs. Game over.

[reds44]

I mean eventually, you have to throw at somebody.

[Playadlc]

2:1 says we get 100 pitches out of Arroyo. No matter what the score.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Don't worry Bronson... Rios will kill the rally for them.

[reds44]

An out!

[Chip R]

An out!

[Playadlc]

Tipping pitches?

[Reds Fanatic]

Wow an out

[dougdirt]

Don't worry Bronson... Rios will kill the rally for them.

Make another prediction! Quick!

[Joseph]

First things first, this line up isn't a shake up. I don't know why Fay is acting like it is.

Secondly....the season is in jeopardy. The team needs to act, or we need to start looking towards next year.

[Homer Bailey]

Rios didn't kill the rally. All those rally killers killed the rally.

[Ltlabner]

Games over anyway. Might as well let Bronson get beaten like a rented mule and save your pen for another day.

[WVRedsFan]

Unless moves are made from outside the organiation, it's time to cut bait and look at next year. The Reds are in free-fall.

[NC Reds]

Hey I just got here. Did I miss anything?

[CTA513]

Maloney can do this for cheaper.

[dougdirt]

I am still trying to figure out why someone wasn't hit by a pitch. 3 HR's in the first inning and you better hit someone.

[reds44]

Maloney can do this for cheaper.
I can do this for cheaper.

[NC Reds]

:)

[Blitz Dorsey]

Tipping pitches?

No, it's his stuff.

[Ltlabner]

Unless moves are made from outside the organiation, it's time to cut bait and look at next year.

Sadly, that was the case in February too.

[WVRedsFan]

I am still trying to figure out why someone wasn't hit by a pitch. 3 HR's in the first inning and you better hit someone.

No guts. Reds are used to this anyway. It doesn't bother them so much to lose ;).

J/K of course.

[reds44]

I am still trying to figure out why someone wasn't hit by a pitch. 3 HR's in the first inning and you better hit someone.
I was thinking the same thing, especially after last year.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Any scouts watching Arroyo tonight likely left after 11 pitches.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Hey, the good news is we hung in the race longer than the last two years!

Oh, no good? Sorry.

[WVRedsFan]

Any Red fans watching Arroyo tonight likely left after 11 pitches.

Fixed that for you :).

[Homer Bailey]

McClouth just made two nasty plays in center. Boy he sure would have been a decent pickup.

[reds44]

Reds will lose like 9-6 tonight, watch.

[Red in Chicago]

I am still trying to figure out why someone wasn't hit by a pitch. 3 HR's in the first inning and you better hit someone.

Why bother. Would you be afraid of getting hit by a Bronson "heater":rolleyes:

[reds44]

Hasn't Hanigan been Arroyo's personal catcher this year?

[Big Klu]

I also like option3. Of course, I'm not sure better defense at short and worse at third is any better.

But the Reds need some modicum of offense, as well. So Hairston (as pedestrian as he is) has to start somewhere on the left side of the infield for now. The Reds can use Rosales as a late-inning defensive replacement at 3B.

Actually, I think there will be plenty of opportunities for all four of them to get some playing time (though JHJ will likely get the most PT).

[Big Klu]

Hasn't Hanigan been Arroyo's personal catcher this year?

Mostly, but not exclusively.

[reds44]

Gomes tried to hit a 5 run homer.

[alloverjr]

Baker's "I'm clueless" look in the dugout in the 1st was priceless. Kinda looked like a toad. :eek:

[reds44]

Hey, I'll settle for a solo homer.

[Red in Chicago]

But the Reds need some modicum of offense, as well. So Hairston (as pedestrian as he is) has to start somewhere on the left side of the infield for now. The Reds can use Rosales as a late-inning defensive replacement at 3B.

Actually, I think there will be plenty of opportunities for all four of them to get some playing time (though JHJ will likely get the most PT).

Me thinks JHJ is suffering from getting too much playing time this year. Last year, he had big numbers, in limited time. This year, he's OPS'ing right at his career average, which isn't saying much.

[Ltlabner]

rally!

[reds44]

That was not a good 3-1 swing.

[Homer Bailey]

Jay Bruce is incapable of going to the opposite field.

[GAC]

Arroyo's breaking stuff is all over the place. He just doesn't have any command. But Baker will try and get 5 innings out of him.

[reds44]

That was a high breaking ball.

[Bob Borkowski]

Now 6-1 Jays in the 2nd.

[GAC]

My Gawd! How long will Baker allow this to go on?

Or let BA take his lumps?

[reds44]

EE just hit a 2 run homer for Louisville.

[Red in Chicago]

Does Rolen's sister really want this story being shared on tv George?

[Bob Borkowski]

Now at the end of two...6-1 Jays.

[Homer Bailey]

Richar proving he earned a start.

[Homer Bailey]

Dickerson takes one of those walk things.

[reds44]

Base clogger.

[reds44]

RBI single for Hairston. 6-2

Could use a Votto longball here...

[Ltlabner]

Dickerson = HAVOC!

[Kc61]

We've talked a lot about the offense without Votto.

The pitching rotation is missing Volquez. Not enough firepower without him. Maybe Bailey will give it a boost.

[reds44]

Needed to pick that runner up.

[Bob Borkowski]

Toronto leads 6-2...middle of the third.

[Kc61]

Adam Lind leads off with a double. The beat goes on for the Jays. Moved over to third on grounder. Productive out.

Too bad the NBA Finals are over. That was good for some alternative viewing.

[Big Klu]

Me thinks JHJ is suffering from getting too much playing time this year. Last year, he had big numbers, in limited time. This year, he's OPS'ing right at his career average, which isn't saying much.

I think you are right. Hairston probably could use a day off more frequently. The Reds could play Janish at SS and Richar/Rosales at 3B when Hairston sits.

[Kc61]

I think you are right. Hairston could probably use a day off more frequently. The Reds could play Janish at SS and Richar/Rosales at 3B when Hairston sits.

I agree that JHJ has been overexposed this year. I think he's played reasonably well, certainly not as well as last year, but he's given the Reds ok performance at several positions.

Strike out by Arroyo, two out, man on third in the bottom of the third inning.

[Big Klu]

Too bad the NBA Finals are over. That was good for some alternative viewing.

LSU vs. Texas in the championship game of the College World Series on ESPN.

[Kc61]

Another K by Arroyo. Ends the third at 6-2 Blue Jays.

[GAC]

I think they also need to give Hernandez at couple days off too, and start Hanigan. RH looks tired.

[Kc61]

LSU vs. Texas in the championship game of the College World Series on ESPN.

Thank you much.

[Big Klu]

I agree that JHJ has been overexposed this year. I think he's played reasonably well, certainly not as well as last year, but he's given the Reds ok performance at several positions.

That's how I see it, too.

[Big Klu]

I think they also need to give Hernandez at couple days off too, and start Hanigan. RH looks tired.

I think that will happen, but first they had to give Hanigan a couple of days off, because RH2 was run into the ground after starting nearly every game behind the plate during the recent stretch without Votto.

[Big Klu]

Bruce pulls the ball, and grounds weakly to 2B.

Left field is your friend, Jay!

[Homer Bailey]

0-1 pitch on the outside corner and Bruce tries to pull it. Seriously, what happened to this kid?

[reds44]

He was out.

[Big Klu]

0-1 pitch on the outside corner and Bruce tries to pull it. Seriously, what happened to this kid?

It took Frank Robinson two seconds to break down Bruce's swing last Saturday night. If he can see it, why can't our hitting coach?

[Homer Bailey]

It took Frank Robinson two seconds to break down Bruce's swing last Saturday night. If he can see it, why can't our hitting coach?

It is very clear that there has been no work done with this kid in a whole year. If anything, he's regressed since he's been up here. Watching him go the other way those first few weeks was the reason why I thought this kid really would be a star.

[reds44]

Oh boy.

[Homer Bailey]

Richar again proving he deserves a start.

[Homer Bailey]

Well looks like I was dead right when I said JHJ should be at 3rd tonight and Janish should have been at short.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

It took Frank Robinson two seconds to break down Bruce's swing last Saturday night. If he can see it, why can't our hitting coach?


WHat did he say? I was at the game.

[Kc61]

It is very clear that there has been no work done with this kid in a whole year. If anything, he's regressed since he's been up here. Watching him go the other way those first few weeks was the reason why I thought this kid really would be a star.

If Bruce has regressed, how does that show that no work has been done with him? Highly doubtful.

I'm sure they work with him constantly. Bruce just has certain tendencies that he must learn to overcome.

Just because a student isn't getting it doesn't mean the teacher isn't trying.

[reds44]

George
A. Laynce Nix is in LF
B. That ball was foul

[Virginia Beach Reds]

I know this has been beaten to death, but George Grande is a very annoying announcer for fans that watch this team regularly. His stories are tired and he doesn't even know who is playing tonight.

[reds44]

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_429665.jpg
How old do you think EE was when this picture was taken? 12?

[reds44]

Stop swinging at the first pitch.

[Big Klu]

WHat did he say? I was at the game.

Bruce opens up on the low-and-away pitch, and he will continue to ground weakly to the right side. He needs to keep the front shoulder closed, and drive that pitch up the middle and to LF.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Bruce opens up on the low-and-away pitch, and he will continue to ground weakly to the right side. He needs to keep the front shoulder closed, and drive that pitch up the middle and to LF.

THanks. Bruce isn't a 210 hitter. In my opinion, Jacoby will be relieved soon if this slump continues...

[Homer Bailey]

The Reds have 2 hits.

[jojo]

The Reds have 2 hits.

Its only the 5th inning.....

[Scrap Irony]

He hasn't done that consistently since his first week up. So far, Bruce is more Kearns than is comfortable.

Of course, that said, he's extremely young and can change.

[reds44]

Its only the 5th inning.....
It feels like the 15th.

[Big Klu]

Richar again proving he deserves a start.


Well looks like I was dead right when I said JHJ should be at 3rd tonight and Janish should have been at short.

Richar hardly played any 3B (maybe none at all) at Louisville this season, and according to The Baseball Cube, he has never played 3B professionally prior this season.

But yeah, I would have probably gone with Janish at SS, and JHJ at 3B. (Although it doesn't hurt to give Richar a start and take a look at him.)

[Big Klu]

He hasn't done that consistently since his first week up. So far, Bruce is more Kearns than is comfortable.

Of course, that said, he's extremely young and can change.

More Paul Householder than Paul O'Neill right now.

[jojo]

So far, Bruce is more Kearns than is comfortable.

Lets hope that Jocketty isn't more like Krivsky than is comfortable.

[Scrap Irony]

When I was younger, I insisted Paul Householder was going to be the next great Red OF. I told my father he'd make people forget about Foster, Griffey, and Collins. I compared him to Frank Robbie.

My father laughed at me. And Bob Howsam.

Have I mentioned that my father was a wise man?

[reds44]

George and Chris love the CN Tower.

[Homer Bailey]

I want whatever George Grande is on. He genuinely seems like he is still enjoying himself.

[Kc61]

Reds are pushing Roenicke here. He was a one inning guy in the minors, pitching much longer here.

He's walked a couple but he throws hard and throws grounders, as advertised. I think this guy can be a good reliever with some experience.


That's 2 and 1/3 scoreless for Josh tonight.

[Big Klu]

I want whatever George Grande is on. He genuinely seems like he is still enjoying himself.

Zoloft.

[Falls City Beer]

Remember that story that said the Jays have no pitching and the Reds are so stacked with starters they could trade them one? Good story.

[Falls City Beer]

Bruce will be fine, btw.

[jojo]

Remember that story that said the Jays have no pitching and the Reds are so stacked with starters they could trade them one? Good story.

Arroyo is basically untradeable.

[Falls City Beer]

Arroyo is basically untradeable.

I know. I was being a smart aleck.

[VR]

Bruce will be fine, btw.

I agree, as soon as the Reds hire a major league hitting instructor

[VR]

Hernandez walks, Richar fists a single into center.

[VR]

Dickerson k's.

[VR]

Hairston sees a few pitches, then smashes one to Rolen who snags it.

[VR]

Cubs trail 4-3
Cards trail 9-0
Brewers trail 3-1
Astros trail 1-0
Pirates lead 10-1

[VR]

Blue Jays had some scouting advantage against Arroyo tonight, as told to Welsh.

Reds outsmarted, yet again.

[Bob Borkowski]

Jays win 8-2.

Good-night everyone.

[Big Klu]

Bruce grounds out weakly for the fourth time tonight, this time to SS. (The first three were to 2B.) I would give him the day off tomorrow vs. the lefty.

My lineup for tomorrow:

Dickerson cf
Hairston rf
Votto 1b
Phillips 2b
Gomes lf
Hanigan c
Owings dh
Rosales 3b
Janish ss

[Big Klu]

Only four hits tonight:

Jonny Gomes -- homer and single
Jerry Hairston, Jr. -- single
Danny Richar -- single

[Cyclone792]

FYI, the Jays pitcher who pitched the final two scoreless innings tonight was Dirk Hayhurst. He's the same guy who penned those brilliant Non-Prospect Diaries a few years back. Glad to at least see him get a shot at the big leagues.

[reds1869]

FYI, the Jays pitcher who pitched the final two scoreless innings tonight was Dirk Hayhurst. He's the same guy who penned those brilliant Non-Prospect Diaries a few years back. Glad to at least see him get a shot at the big leagues.

I loved those columns...I'd totally forgotten about him to be honest. Which is just what he would expect. :)

[WVRedsFan]

Only four hits tonight:

Jonny Gomes -- homer and single
Jerry Hairston, Jr. -- single
Danny Richar -- single

I'm shaking my head. Yep, many thought the offensive doldrums would be over when Votto got back (and always when Edwin gets back), but I doubt it. Four (count 'em) hits? Then again, I doubt the Reds could have won with Arroyo's performance anyway. When the other team scores 5 runs, we're pretty much sunk, and it happens more often than not. Base your team on defense and pitching and you'd better have lights out pitching and defense if you ignore the offensive side of the game and put your faith in AAAA players lilke Jerry Hairston, Jr., Willy Taveras, as well as unproven players like Jay Bruce, Dickerson, and has beens like Alex Gonzalez. Now. we're looking for a bat and after trading half the offense last year (and yes, that's an exaggeration, but not much of one), they look around and wonder why.

Madness, I say. Madness.

[traderumor]

Remember that story that said the Jays have no pitching and the Reds are so stacked with starters they could trade them one? Good story.Maybe Cueto can shut them down today. The Jays can score runs and they saw the back of our rotation. The offense has been making bad pitching look good for weeks now.

[LincolnparkRed]

Blue Jays had some scouting advantage against Arroyo tonight, as told to Welsh.

Reds outsmarted, yet again.

He's going to throw a curve and a fairly flat fastball. Maybe they can tell a grip or something

[Falls City Beer]

He's going to throw a curve and a fairly flat fastball. Maybe they can tell a grip or something

His repetoire doesn't really require great advanced scouting: it's pretty much, "here it is, hit it" with Arroyo anymore.

[KoryMac5]

The biggest thing with Arroyo was the loss of Volquez. Your stuff looks a little more deceptive when you throw the day after a 94mph fastball. Having him and Owings throw back to back really hurts this team.