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Chip R
07-06-2009, 08:01 PM
Go get 'em, Johnny. Stick that ASG snub to Manuel.

SirFelixCat
07-06-2009, 08:05 PM
Go get 'em, Johnny. Stick that ASG snub to Manuel.

:thumbup:

SirFelixCat
07-06-2009, 08:06 PM
Good guys:

Taveras 8
Hairston Jr. 6
Votto 3
Phillips 4
Gomes 7
Hernandez 2
Bruce 9
Encarnacion 5
Cueto 1


The other team:


Rollins 6
Victorino 8
Utley 4
Howard 3
Werth 9
Dobbs 7
Feliz 5
Ruiz 2
Hamels 1

SirFelixCat
07-06-2009, 08:07 PM
And :lol: :bang: :cry: @ WT leading off, yet again, vs a lefty. *sigh*

nate
07-06-2009, 08:08 PM
Chat is open!

SirFelixCat
07-06-2009, 08:09 PM
And, like normal, Willy T fouls the first pitch off, then flies out weakly to RF. 1 out.

SirFelixCat
07-06-2009, 08:11 PM
JHJ takes an 0-2 pitch, breaks his bat and missed the LF line by about 2.67 inches...foul.

Then a lazy can 'o corn, F-8. 2 down.

SirFelixCat
07-06-2009, 08:12 PM
Votto does what Votto does...single thru the hole on the RH side.

SirFelixCat
07-06-2009, 08:14 PM
BP, F-8. That's that. thru 0.5, 0-0.

SirFelixCat
07-06-2009, 08:20 PM
Falls behind Jimmy Rollins 3-0 and goes full, but still walks him...


Then Victorino goes yard after falling behind 2-0 on him. 2-0 Phillies. This isn't going well.

alloverjr
07-06-2009, 08:20 PM
:p:

SirFelixCat
07-06-2009, 08:20 PM
Cueto has no control today.

SirFelixCat
07-06-2009, 08:23 PM
Falls behind Utley 3-1...

Then Utley chases one about a foot inside and low, full count...

Fouls off the next one...

And the next...

And the next...

He gone lookin'.

One out, finally.

dsmith421
07-06-2009, 08:24 PM
Second straight game that has been all but over after two batters. This crap is just no fun to watch.

SirFelixCat
07-06-2009, 08:25 PM
4 batters and he's yet to throw a first pitch strike. After his last outing, which despite the numbers, was pretty horrible, this isn't boding well for he or the Reds.

3-1 to Howard. He just can't throw a strike w/ any consistency...


W/ the shift on, Howard lines a shot to SS, which is really EdE, 2 outs.

SirFelixCat
07-06-2009, 08:26 PM
Yup, 2-0 count to Werth and obviously George and Chris oblivious to the game itself...just talking about the AS selections etc.


And Werth singles just in front of a diving WillyT, for a single.

Kc61
07-06-2009, 08:27 PM
Second straight game that has been all but over after two batters. This crap is just no fun to watch.


It's ok. Just let's not mortgage the future. Some of the guys in the GCL will have the Reds winning by 2017.

CrackerJack
07-06-2009, 08:27 PM
What the heck is it with the 1st inning and these starting pitchers? Can they change their warm-up routine or preparation regime, sumpin?

SirFelixCat
07-06-2009, 08:28 PM
Yeah, you guessed it, 2-0 count to Dobbs. Again, Chris/George oblivious.

SirFelixCat
07-06-2009, 08:28 PM
Buh-bye...TATTOO'D.


4-0.

I'm done. Bye guys.

Chip R
07-06-2009, 08:29 PM
Go get 'em, Johnny. Stick that ASG snub to Manuel.



Not so much. :(

dsmith421
07-06-2009, 08:29 PM
It's ok. Just let's not mortgage the future. Some of the guys in the GCL will have the Reds winning by 2017.

If the future is anything like the present, it sucks.

The Reds is dead.

jojo
07-06-2009, 08:29 PM
Chat is open!

Is cussing allowed in chat?

WVRedsFan
07-06-2009, 08:29 PM
It's simply awful when you know you're out of the game in the bottom of the first inning. And we are. Game over. Sad.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-06-2009, 08:30 PM
This trip will be the end of the 2009 Reds.

Good night.

Big Klu
07-06-2009, 08:30 PM
Go get 'em, Johnny. Stick that ASG snub to Manuel.

How's that workin' for ya? :(

Kc61
07-06-2009, 08:31 PM
If the future is anything like the present, it sucks.

The Reds is dead.

It can be fixed. But it requires two things the Reds don't have -- willingness to spend money and a burning desire to have a top ballclub.

Teams have to think big to win. The Reds think medium.

jojo
07-06-2009, 08:32 PM
It's simply awful when you know you're out of the game in the bottom of the first inning. And we are. Game over. Sad.

The Reds really only have one dangerous hitter in their lineup tonight.

Fortunately playing in Philly is like giving a composite bat to a guy who normally has flyball out power.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-06-2009, 08:33 PM
Teams have to think big to win. The Reds think medium.

The Reds are perfectly content with drawing large crowds 12-15 times a year when the Cubs, Cardinals or Indians are in town or when they give away bobbleheads.

They seem as if they couldn't possibly care less if they actually win.

dsmith421
07-06-2009, 08:34 PM
Touchdown Phillies!

jojo
07-06-2009, 08:35 PM
Wow. Cueto is up to 40 pitches in the first before Rollins' second trip to the plate. I'm going to cry.

WVRedsFan
07-06-2009, 08:35 PM
6-0. Let them beat his brains out, Dusty. 7-0. For the love of God, yank him.

Homer Bailey
07-06-2009, 08:36 PM
Rollins adds the extra point. 7-0.

dsmith421
07-06-2009, 08:36 PM
I didn't think anyone could possibly look worse than Arroyo yesterday. I was wrong.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-06-2009, 08:37 PM
This is our "ace"? Our stopper?

Pathetic.

WVRedsFan
07-06-2009, 08:37 PM
Pitching is fickle. Basing your team on one aspect of the game is folly.

nate
07-06-2009, 08:38 PM
Is cussing allowed in chat?

You'll have to come and see!

edabbs44
07-06-2009, 08:38 PM
Wow

jojo
07-06-2009, 08:38 PM
Dusty needs to pull Cueto. 49 pitches in one inning is an arm shredder.

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 08:39 PM
This is our "ace"? Our stopper?

Pathetic.

If your ace is 24, you're a team with problems.

This is the Reds' Waterloo and should slam the brakes on any notion of contention. This is going to be a sweep.

alloverjr
07-06-2009, 08:39 PM
I think they'll be sellers now. And that's a good thing IMO.

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 08:40 PM
If I had to guess, the back stuff is flaring again. I'd send him to the DL, which will allow him two starts' rest.

alloverjr
07-06-2009, 08:40 PM
If your ace is 24, you're a team with problems.

This is the Reds' Waterloo and should slam the brakes on any notion of contention. This is going to be a sweep.

yesir

Big Klu
07-06-2009, 08:40 PM
A lot of the Phillies batters are crowding the plate and getting awfully comfortable in the batter's box. Cueto should have buzzed one or two of them. (DRH is not the guy to do that, though.)

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-06-2009, 08:41 PM
Reds are the perfect cure for the Phillies awful home record.

WVRedsFan
07-06-2009, 08:42 PM
If I had to guess, the back stuff is flaring again. I'd send him to the DL, which will allow him two starts' rest.
Just watched him in the dugout and the way he was sitting and the way he got up from the bench seems to indicate that. My problem is, if this is the case, why can our "brain trust" not see these things?

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 08:42 PM
Reds are the perfect cure for the Phillies awful home record.

Non-Cubs' NL Central pitching is a true cure-all.

CrackerJack
07-06-2009, 08:42 PM
10-0! Mercy rule please.

RFS62
07-06-2009, 08:43 PM
Looks like we're going for a record

WVRedsFan
07-06-2009, 08:43 PM
10-0. Good grief. And it ain't over yet.

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 08:43 PM
The pitching's getting corrected.

Always Red
07-06-2009, 08:44 PM
I was at the game yesterday, and just turned off the TV.

This team will suck all the joy of life right out of you!

edabbs44
07-06-2009, 08:44 PM
Wow

Joseph
07-06-2009, 08:44 PM
We pretend, we hope, we dream...just like children do. Then adulthood comes and smacks us with a large dose of reality in the form of teams who know how to win and what it takes to compete. Only then do we remember we are not a team to be reckoned with, but a team who has a long way to go.

nate
07-06-2009, 08:44 PM
Rally caps?

jojo
07-06-2009, 08:45 PM
On the heels of yesterday, this one is particularly gut wrenching.

Someone on the Reds broadcast team needs to wisecrack that they'll walk back to Cincy if the Reds pull this one out....

NC Reds
07-06-2009, 08:45 PM
This team needs to be sellers.

Honestly, I would rather see Heisey, Stubbs, Frazier and company this season than another day of Taveres, Hairston, EdE, and Arroyo.

BCubb2003
07-06-2009, 08:45 PM
At this rate it'll be 90-0!

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 08:46 PM
I'm not joking when I say this: this is probably a blessing in disguise. (Though it's only a blessing if they understand that it's white flag time.)

jojo
07-06-2009, 08:46 PM
Man does Saturday's win feel like a a huge one now.....

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 08:47 PM
Man does Saturday's win feel like a a huge one now.....

I guess. Pretty academic, though, at this point.

RedFanAlways1966
07-06-2009, 08:47 PM
At this rate it'll be 90-0!

80-0... Phils would not need to bat in the bottom of the 9th.

Sorry to be picky, BCubb! :evil:

Nasty_Boy
07-06-2009, 08:48 PM
Never say die Gomes! lol!!!

Ole George!

10-1

WVRedsFan
07-06-2009, 08:48 PM
This team needs to be sellers.

Honestly, I would rather see Heisey, Stubbs, Frazier and company this season than another day of Taveres, Hairston, EdE, and Arroyo.
I totally agree. One day less of Taveras' bunts or bloops, Hariston's styling at the plate, Ecarnacion's so-called "potential" that doesn't ever come to be, and Arroyo's off and on pitching would bring me joy. While you're at it, take Alex Gonzalez with them. Put out the trash once and for all.

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 08:49 PM
Gomes might nab a middling prospect at the deadline.

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 08:50 PM
I totally agree. One day less of Taveras' bunts or bloops, Hariston's styling at the plate, Ecarnacion's so-called "potential" that doesn't ever come to be, and Arroyo's off and on pitching would bring me joy. While you're at it, take Alex Gonzalez with them. Put out the trash once and for all.

They'd still lose, but they'd lose young. That should count for something. :cool:

Next year's pitch! "Lose Young"

dsmith421
07-06-2009, 08:52 PM
Wonder if Castellini regrets that "The losing stops now" garbage. He's shown himself to be as much a charlatan as the last bunch of morons.

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 08:53 PM
Wonder if Castellini regrets that "The losing stops now" garbage. He's shown himself to be as much a charlatan as the last bunch of morons.

The second the recession turned off the hoses this offseason, I knew we were sunk as fans. A guy who lets a recession, something that has never hurt baseball attendance in the modern era, turn his plans awry deserves to lose.

I still have some faith that Walt can do something on a budget, but the terms have changed pretty drastically since October of last year.

WVRedsFan
07-06-2009, 08:54 PM
EdE strikes out looking. 10-1.

I think I'll go study ancient history or something. This is torture.

VR
07-06-2009, 08:55 PM
Cueto was obviously shook up after he walked Rollins to start the game. When he can keep his head in the game, he will be a crazy good pitcher.

BCubb2003
07-06-2009, 08:55 PM
80-0... Phils would not need to bat in the bottom of the 9th.

Sorry to be picky, BCubb! :evil:

That's much better! Now it'll be 80-4.5!

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 08:55 PM
Cueto was obviously shook up after he walked Rollins to start the game. When he can keep his head in the game, he will be a crazy good pitcher.

Shook up after one lousy walk? He's not going to be long for this game.

dsmith421
07-06-2009, 08:57 PM
I still have some faith that Walt can do something on a budget, but the terms have changed pretty drastically since October of last year.

I don't know, Jocketty's always had cooperative ownership that understood that up-front investments could yield huge returns. Hence his traditional acuity for adding serious gamebreaking talent midseason.

Castellini looks more like Carl Lindner telling Bowden he couldn't bring in Scott Rolen because he needed the money to foment a military coup or something.

RedFanAlways1966
07-06-2009, 09:04 PM
The bright side?

* After tonight they can only be 4 GB.
>> 2008 after 81 games, 13.5 GB... last place.
>> 2007 after 81 games, 16.5 GB... last place.

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 09:05 PM
The bright side?

* After tonight they can only be 4 GB.
>> 2008 after 81 games, 13.5 GB... last place.
>> 2007 after 81 games, 16.5 GB... last place.

Like a stone mattress and a thorn-stuffed comforter.

VR
07-06-2009, 09:07 PM
It's clear the ball is bouncing the Phillies way tonight, and not the Reds.

Hairston jjjjjjust missed a 10 run dinger.

Nasty_Boy
07-06-2009, 09:10 PM
Will the Phils get 20 tonight?

VR
07-06-2009, 09:10 PM
It's clear the ball is bouncing the Phillies way tonight, and not the Reds.



I 2nd that.

Kc61
07-06-2009, 09:11 PM
Janish should get a shot to improve his ERA tonight. Unfortunately for him, he may pitch three
innings.

Herrera really looks shaky tonight. He had a rough series against the Cards and it's continuing.

nate
07-06-2009, 09:14 PM
Any thoughts on the Reds text poll?

oneupper
07-06-2009, 09:17 PM
I just turned this game on...and off. Wow!

VR
07-06-2009, 09:21 PM
Any thoughts on the Reds text poll?

it's a waste of time? :)

VR
07-06-2009, 09:23 PM
That's much better! Now it'll be 80-4.5!

They've got it whittled down to 36-3. The Reds are REALLY gaining some ground here.

VR
07-06-2009, 09:25 PM
Don't like the 'swing out of your shoes' approach by everyone but Votto. Phillips and Gomes nearly split their spleens on some of their swings.

Nasty_Boy
07-06-2009, 09:27 PM
Don't like the 'swing out of your shoes' approach by everyone but Votto. Phillips and Gomes nearly split their spleens on some of their swings.

It's get your own time baby!

BCubb2003
07-06-2009, 09:27 PM
They've got it whittled down to 36-3. The Reds are REALLY gaining some ground here.

What's the win expectancy number?

smith288
07-06-2009, 09:27 PM
Even HD prevents me from staying tuned.

VR
07-06-2009, 09:29 PM
What's the win expectancy number?

not sure if <0 is an option?

RedFanAlways1966
07-06-2009, 09:30 PM
Most runs allowed in a game last 5-1/2 seasons (not incl. tonight)...

17 - June 9, 2004. 17-8 loss at Oakland.
15 - May 6, 2009 . 15-3 loss vs. MIlwaukee.
15 - July 2, 2004. 15-2 loss vs. Cleveland.
14 - 8 times
13 - 6 times
12 - 18 times

CrackerJack
07-06-2009, 09:30 PM
I just turned this game on...and off. Wow!

Thanks for checking-in!

RedsManRick
07-06-2009, 09:30 PM
It's ugly, but it counts in the standings the same as a well played 3-2 extra innings masterpiece. I just hope Cueto comes out of it healthy. He was due for a significant ERA regression anyways...

RedFanAlways1966
07-06-2009, 09:32 PM
It's ugly, but it counts in the standings the same as a well played 3-2 extra innings masterpiece. I just hope Cueto comes out of it healthy. He was due for a significant ERA regression anyways...

Well said.

CrackerJack
07-06-2009, 09:32 PM
The Reds could make all of their home games Bobblehead nights, then use the $ to upgrade payroll...if people will buy Taveras, Hairston, Janish, Nix, Gomes, Gonzalez, et al..., bobbles.

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 09:33 PM
It's ugly, but it counts in the standings the same as a well played 3-2 extra innings masterpiece. I just hope Cueto comes out of it healthy. He was due for a significant ERA regression anyways...

The pitching is doing what several folks saw on the horizon. Don't think it's just Cueto.

BCubb2003
07-06-2009, 09:33 PM
It's ugly, but it counts in the standings the same as a well played 3-2 extra innings masterpiece. I just hope Cueto comes out of it healthy. He was due for a significant ERA regression anyways...

But according to the run differential, we're mathematically eliminated.

VR
07-06-2009, 09:34 PM
Most runs allowed in a game last 5-1/2 seasons (not incl. tonight)...

17 - June 9, 2004. 17-8 loss at Oakland.
15 - May 6, 2009 . 15-3 loss vs. MIlwaukee.
15 - July 2, 2004. 15-2 loss vs. Cleveland.
14 - 8 times
13 - 6 times
12 - 18 times

Do you have runs scored over that time period as well 66?

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2009, 09:34 PM
All pitchers will have a bad inning now and again. Unfortunately for Cueto, it came at the same time that the Phillies had one of those good innings with the bat. He'll be fine.

And for the record, I still don't consider Cueto the staff ace. Or Volquez. It's still Harang in my eyes.

CrackerJack
07-06-2009, 09:34 PM
It's ugly, but it counts in the standings the same as a well played 3-2 extra innings masterpiece. I just hope Cueto comes out of it healthy. He was due for a significant ERA regression anyways...

Unfortunately it's a trend, and not an anamoly (not the score but the outcome of course).

RedsManRick
07-06-2009, 09:36 PM
The pitching is doing what several folks saw on the horizon. Don't think it's just Cueto.

Confirmation bias is a powerful thing. It's one game. One guy pitched horribly, one poorly. That's it. It's not evidence of anything else but that. The sky is not falling. The Reds were a mediocre team with an an expected win total in the 74-82 range before this game and they will be afterwards.

nate
07-06-2009, 09:36 PM
It's ugly, but it counts in the standings the same as a well played 3-2 extra innings masterpiece. I just hope Cueto comes out of it healthy. He was due for a significant ERA regression anyways...

Yeah, but all at once?

:cool:

VR
07-06-2009, 09:38 PM
3 2/3 innings.....125 pitches so far for the Reds. Seriously.

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 09:40 PM
Confirmation bias is a powerful thing. It's one game. One guy pitched horribly, one poorly. That's it. It's not evidence of anything else but that. The sky is not falling. The Reds were a mediocre team with an an expected win total in the 74-82 range before this game and they will be afterwards.

Now wait a minute: I've been saying this forever based on the fact that they're not K'ing enough and they're walking too many.

And yes, it doesn't change my prediction of a .500 team (pre-season). Nevertheless, we're seeing some things that were coming home to roost doing so. The pitching was bound to head downwards, and I still contend that the offense will pick up the slack some.

Apocalypse? No. But who cares--same old thin-pitching organization.

flyer85
07-06-2009, 09:42 PM
official scoring has become a complete joke ... most are there to pad hometown stats

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 09:44 PM
official scoring has become a complete joke ... most are there to pad hometown stats

How many of the Phils' 20 runs are earned? :)

RedFanAlways1966
07-06-2009, 09:45 PM
Do you have runs scored over that time period as well 66?

Most runs scored in a game last 5-1/2 seasons (not incl. tonight!?!)...

17 - Aug. 19, 2005. 17-3 win vs. Arizona.
16 - June 22, 2007. 16-1 win @ Seattle.
15 - May 22, 2006. 15-5 win vs. Milwaukee.
14 - 6 times
13 - 2 times
12 - 6 times

smith288
07-06-2009, 09:45 PM
I love the Reds!

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 09:49 PM
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the Reds for extending the illusion of contention into July this season. It's not every season they wait till July to blink.

redsfan1966
07-06-2009, 09:51 PM
this season was fun while it lasted......thankfully my screen just went dark...

smith288
07-06-2009, 09:52 PM
Even the HD reds broadcast is epic fail.

redsfan1966
07-06-2009, 09:52 PM
time for some Monday Night RAW...

Matt700wlw
07-06-2009, 09:55 PM
The way this division has been, even if the Reds go 2-5 on this road trip, the could still only lose a game and a half.....

Stormy
07-06-2009, 10:01 PM
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the Reds for extending the illusion of contention into July this season. It's not every season they wait till July to blink.

Agreed, to some extent. The offense has a chance to lay sole claim to 15th place in the NL, and the pitching is in the midst of a recent return to earth, and yet they've still managed to compete in a pretty compelling manner.

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 10:03 PM
The way this division has been, even if the Reds go 2-5 on this road trip, the could still only lose a game and a half.....

I commend you for swimming upstream in a river of blood.

Kc61
07-06-2009, 10:14 PM
Kudos to Fisher tonight. Only Reds pitcher doing decently and really saving them in the pen. He's a former starter, i'd let him stay out there for awhile, then give him a couple of nights off.

Reds should find a way to add a reliever after this game in case this happens again.

cincrazy
07-06-2009, 10:17 PM
Come on now... this isn't going to send the Reds on a spiral to 100 losses. Every time this year (and it's been many) I've beaten my drum and declared the season over, they've made me look like a fool. I fully expect this team to take the next 2 games of this series, and to continue to baffle us with smoke and mirrors.

jojo
07-06-2009, 10:17 PM
Really the Reds could lose tonight 100 to 0 and it's just one loss.

If you thought they were in it or you thought they were out of it before tonight one loss shouldn't really change your view.

I guess the point is, ya, the last four games have mostly sucked. There isn't really a need for an epic vent fest however. It won't make things better on the field but it's guaranteed to make redszone unreadable.

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 10:22 PM
Really the Reds could lose tonight 100 to 0 and it's just one loss.

If you thought they were in it or you thought they were out of it before tonight one loss shouldn't really change your view.

I guess the point is, ya, the last four games have mostly sucked. There isn't really a need for an epic vent fest however. It won't make things better on the field but it's guaranteed to make redszone unreadable.

Eh, it's just a gamethread. And honestly, with this organization, it's never how high they can go, but how soft the landing will be.

CTA513
07-06-2009, 10:24 PM
Just got home to see the Reds had already lost the game before the 2nd inning started.

Cuetos ERA is getting close to Harangs.

Kc61
07-06-2009, 10:25 PM
Roenicke very impressive pitcher. I like Fisher too, he gets in trouble but gets the DP ball. I hope the Reds hold onto these guys.

Kc61
07-06-2009, 10:26 PM
Two out double for Phils. Gomes really needs to be a DH someplace. Good hitter but defensively, wow.

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 10:27 PM
Roenicke very impressive pitcher. I like Fisher too, he gets in trouble but gets the DP ball. I hope the Reds hold onto these guys.

They're cheap. Prerequisite for Redsdom.

nate
07-06-2009, 10:28 PM
Two out double for Phils. Gomes really needs to be a DH someplace. Good hitter but defensively, wow.

He's not good but I think the way that ball bounced would've given MC Escher fits.

jojo
07-06-2009, 10:28 PM
Two out double for Phils. Gomes really needs to be a DH someplace. Good hitter but defensively, wow.

Ya. He's pretty bad.

On another note though, with some luck, Dickerson could end up being something like a Randy Winn.

smith288
07-06-2009, 10:32 PM
Im going to say it. Bruce needs sent down.

Kc61
07-06-2009, 10:34 PM
EE, he of the disappearing OPS, strikes out.

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2009, 10:34 PM
Beacuse he swung at the 1st pitch? ;)

I just think of players like Ron Gant....Bill Robinson.... there are others ..who take longer than you would think to do anything.

Matt700wlw
07-06-2009, 10:34 PM
Im going to say it. Bruce needs sent down.

His defense has been big league, but sadly, his offense has been anything but

nate
07-06-2009, 10:35 PM
Looks like Paul Janish will get a chance to lower that ERA!

BCubb2003
07-06-2009, 10:35 PM
It's Janish time.

westofyou
07-06-2009, 10:35 PM
off with their heads!!

10-1 before I even left work, Phillies are hot. Reds not so much

Matt700wlw
07-06-2009, 10:36 PM
Janish to pitch!

Kc61
07-06-2009, 10:37 PM
Bruce pops everything up and doesn't hit enough homers to justify it. His LD rate is low because he uppercuts everything. He makes good contact, he just needs to adjust his swing.

Not that it is so easy to fix these tendencies, but this one is just obvious as can be.

westofyou
07-06-2009, 10:37 PM
EE, he of the disappearing OPS, strikes out.

Don't give him too much rope, he just got back. That said I'm sure the Reds would rather get this over than lose 16-4, it's the nature of the 162 game beast

WVRedsFan
07-06-2009, 10:37 PM
Im going to say it. Bruce needs sent down.

Beware.

Yes, he needs to go down to AAA, see some leftys, get some hits, and regain his confidence. It's not going to happen, though.

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 10:39 PM
In a non-contending season, I can't think of anything worse than sending Bruce down. He's exactly where he needs to be.

westofyou
07-06-2009, 10:40 PM
My guess is that Janish is the first position player to pitch more than once in a season for the Reds since Mel Queen in 1966

KoryMac5
07-06-2009, 10:41 PM
You let Bruce ride out the rest of the season with the big club. Sending him down would crush the kids confidence.

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2009, 10:41 PM
These Phillies announcers said Scott Hairston was traded to the A's?

Janish turned a 10-3 MIL game into 15-3....this game could easily be 20-1...he has no movement on his fastball!

westofyou
07-06-2009, 10:41 PM
In a non-contending season, I can't think of anything worse than sending Bruce down. He's exactly where he needs to be.
Him dominating AAA is the stuff that make legends out of guys like Brandon Larson, I leave him up.

CrackerJack
07-06-2009, 10:43 PM
I think Pole is pregnant.

Kc61
07-06-2009, 10:43 PM
Him dominating AAA is the stuff that make legends out of guys like Brandon Larson, I leave him up.

Up or down is not the issue. The question is how to fix his swing. He doesn't seem to be improving, in fact he's not hitting homers anymore, things are getting worse.

CrackerJack
07-06-2009, 10:44 PM
Aargh it can't get any more ridiculous than this, never seen anything like it.

nate
07-06-2009, 10:44 PM
OK, it's about time for someone on the Phils to get knocked down.

Matt700wlw
07-06-2009, 10:45 PM
:laugh:

Matt700wlw
07-06-2009, 10:46 PM
Up or down is not the issue. The question is how to fix his swing. He doesn't seem to be improving, in fact he's not hitting homers anymore, things are getting worse.

Better hitting coach?

Falls City Beer
07-06-2009, 10:47 PM
Wonder how much the team ERA's risen?

Incidentally, I kind of further disagree with the it's just one game argument--this is a pretty strong RS/RA punctuation; while before the game it was borderline, this game's going to send that ratio into no-man's land.

It's going to be a difference of -50. I was predicting a .500 season, but now I'm probably going to have to adjust to some new data. .500's probably a pipe dream now without a solid infusion of talent. And that's not going to happen.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-06-2009, 10:47 PM
The Reds braintrust must love this ... it takes pressure off them to make any moves. Now they can resume their summer of doing absolutely nothing and no one will care.

Raisor
07-06-2009, 10:47 PM
OK, it's about time for someone on the Phils to get knocked down.

Janish needs to tune up some Sweet Chin Music.

CrackerJack
07-06-2009, 10:47 PM
A standing O for a good round of batting practice against the Reds' 3rd string SS. Only in Philly.

CTA513
07-06-2009, 10:48 PM
Janish pitched better than Cueto tonight.

Raisor
07-06-2009, 10:48 PM
Better hitting coach?

Rearanging the deck chairs on the Titanic?

nate
07-06-2009, 10:49 PM
If Willy can get on three times this inning, we have a chance!

BCubb2003
07-06-2009, 10:50 PM
I'd question the integrity of the game at this point but it hasn't been factor since the first.

HeatherC1212
07-06-2009, 10:50 PM
The only good thing I can say about tonight is that Werth is on my fantasy team and since we were all ready losing very badly at the time, I'll gladly take the extra points from his Grand Slam, LOL :laugh:

(((Reds))) Rough night though. :(

Kc61
07-06-2009, 10:50 PM
Better hitting coach?

I can't blame the coach, don't know what he is telling Bruce, who is working with Bruce, whatever. He is a very young hitter, maybe they don't want to give him too much to think about just yet.

I just think the problem is fairly evident and is clear from any examination of his numbers. It's not just a general failure to hit. It's a fly ball tendency, without enough homers to justify all the flies, and a low LD rate.

He makes good contact, this should be fixable and eventually I'd guess it will be fixed.

nate
07-06-2009, 10:50 PM
There's one!

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2009, 10:51 PM
Are the Reds going to face Bastardo in this series?

I love that name....only a fellow Italian can get away with having that kind of last name.

KoryMac5
07-06-2009, 10:51 PM
Be prepared to see highlights of this beating run over and over again on ESPN. Probably the only way you get to see Reds highlights is when they take an epic beating like this.

nate
07-06-2009, 10:53 PM
Uh-oh...A RALLY!

guttle11
07-06-2009, 10:57 PM
Rearanging the deck chairs on the Titanic?

But they looked fantastic!

traderumor
07-06-2009, 10:58 PM
Are the Reds going to face Bastardo in this series?

I love that name....only a fellow Italian can get away with having that kind of last name.All I can think of Fabrizio in Titanic every time I hear that name.

Boy, I tell you, go out to dinner with my mother and look what happens. God, in His infinite mercy and grace, spared me seeing or hearing but five minutes of this merciless beating. I guess the rest of you need to repent :p: (kidding, kidding, I am not starting a religious discussion on the baseball board, although I'm sure the Lord's name was taken in vain at least 22 times tonight).

Matt700wlw
07-06-2009, 10:58 PM
Roy Halliday on the block?

Wow...have the Jays stumbled that badly?

Raisor
07-06-2009, 10:58 PM
Uh-oh...A RALLY!

Are the Reds ready to get catched up?

nate
07-06-2009, 11:00 PM
We should make some sort of badge that everyone who watched the entire game can proudly display in their profile.

:cool:

traderumor
07-06-2009, 11:00 PM
Up or down is not the issue. The question is how to fix his swing. He doesn't seem to be improving, in fact he's not hitting homers anymore, things are getting worse.Fix his swing like they kept trying with Dunn? I say approach him in the offseason with an arbitration buyout contract extension. Learn from our mistakes ;)

redsmetz
07-06-2009, 11:00 PM
That's a serious shellacking there - wow! Glad it only counts as one loss.

Joseph
07-06-2009, 11:00 PM
All I can think of Fabrizio in Titanic every time I hear that name.

Boy, I tell you, go out to dinner with my mother and look what happens. God, in His infinite mercy and grace, spared me seeing or hearing but five minutes of this merciless beating. I guess the rest of you need to repent :p: (kidding, kidding, I am not starting a religious discussion on the baseball board, although I'm sure the Lord's name was taken in vain at least 22 times tonight).

My phrase of preference involved the word mother.

nate
07-06-2009, 11:00 PM
Are the Reds ready to get catched up?

I seed what you did there!

guttle11
07-06-2009, 11:00 PM
Two on, no out, and the Reds don't score. That makes me so darn angry!

nate
07-06-2009, 11:01 PM
Well, of all the games I've seen, that was one of them!

Good night!

HeatherC1212
07-06-2009, 11:01 PM
This is nothing. The Orioles got a beat down by the Texas Rangers a year or two ago when they lost to them 30-3. That game was tougher to take than this one IMO because no position players pitched and the starting pitcher was Daniel Cabrera (IIRC). :eek:

Philly fans are really tacky. I'm glad we won't see them again after this series. "Let's go Phillies" chants when you're up by like sixteen runs?! Please. :rolleyes:

traderumor
07-06-2009, 11:02 PM
Let's send everybody with options down, DFA everybody but Votto, and start over.

BCubb2003
07-06-2009, 11:03 PM
Well, of all the games I've seen, that was one of them!

Good night!

That was two or three of them.

traderumor
07-06-2009, 11:03 PM
This is nothing. The Orioles got a beat down by the Texas Rangers a year or two ago when they lost to them 30-3. That game was tougher to take than this one IMO because no position players pitched and the starting pitcher was Daniel Cabrera (IIRC). :eek:

Philly fans are really tacky. I'm glad we won't see them again after this series. "Let's go Phillies" chants when you're up by like sixteen runs?! Please. :rolleyes:Yea, pride comes before a fall. Win two World Series in a hundred years and get cocky. Gimme a break.

CTA513
07-06-2009, 11:03 PM
I can pitch tomorrow if the Reds need another pitcher.

Raisor
07-06-2009, 11:04 PM
Let's send everybody with options down, DFA everybody but Votto, and start over.

I like your thinking and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

smith288
07-06-2009, 11:04 PM
We should make some sort of badge that everyone who watched the entire game can proudly display in their profile.

:cool:

Done!

guttle11
07-06-2009, 11:06 PM
Time to fly Soto into town. Johnny always pitches well after working with him, because he actually throws the changeup. Seems like he has no confidence in that pitch between sessions with Mario.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-06-2009, 11:06 PM
[QUOTE=HeatherC1212;1913623]This is nothing. The Orioles got a beat down by the Texas Rangers a year or two ago when they lost to them 30-3. QUOTE]

The last 24 hours, we've lost by a combined 32-2.

Not sure how anyone - even Mr. Redlegs himself - can come up with a scenario where this team is a realistic contender. Even in this woeful division.

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2009, 11:07 PM
I realize that in the scheme of things...it may not matter...but to me....leaving 2 runners in scoring position with no outs....shows how pathetic, even with Votto being one of the hitters....but how pathetic this team is with the bat and how they just pretty much gave up after the 1st.

They needed a Bluto Blutowski type of speech....or have someone point out that the Phillies came back on the Dodgers in 1990 from about 10+ runs down too.

Raisor
07-06-2009, 11:07 PM
Done!

Wait, the Phil's have scored 22 runs?

I thought it was bad, from reading here, but 22?

EEK!

I would start firing everyone from Walt on down to Old Brick, the clubhouse dog.

RedsManRick
07-06-2009, 11:08 PM
Wonder how much the team ERA's risen?

Incidentally, I kind of further disagree with the it's just one game argument--this is a pretty strong RS/RA punctuation; while before the game it was borderline, this game's going to send that ratio into no-man's land.

It's going to be a difference of -50. I was predicting a .500 season, but now I'm probably going to have to adjust to some new data. .500's probably a pipe dream now without a solid infusion of talent. And that's not going to happen.

Correlation does not equal caustion.

Raisor
07-06-2009, 11:08 PM
They needed a Bluto Blutowski type of speech.....

It's time for the yearly beating of the Clubhouse boy.

Have to make an example of somebody.

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2009, 11:09 PM
Is mario Johnny's chupete? Come on man......Mario cannot do everything for you.

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2009, 11:11 PM
Time for a French revolution in the Reds organization.....who is to be guillotined first?

traderumor
07-06-2009, 11:13 PM
I like your thinking and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.www.howbaseballislikecoloncleansing.com I do accept Paypal.

Raisor
07-06-2009, 11:13 PM
Time for a French revolution in the Reds organization.....who is to be guillotined first?

The clubhouse boy. He's not giving the hitters enough PEDs.

Hence, the traditional beating of the clubhouse boy.

traderumor
07-06-2009, 11:16 PM
Time to fly Soto into town. Johnny always pitches well after working with him, because he actually throws the changeup. Seems like he has no confidence in that pitch between sessions with Mario.I was paging him his last start. Anyone got his cell number? I'll text him. Anyone know how to say HELP! in Spanish?

BCubb2003
07-06-2009, 11:17 PM
I realize that in the scheme of things...it may not matter...but to me....leaving 2 runners in scoring position with no outs....shows how pathetic, even with Votto being one of the hitters....but how pathetic this team is with the bat and how they just pretty much gave up after the 1st.

I was disappointed that Janish failed to help his own cause when he had the chance.

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2009, 11:22 PM
Your sarcasm has been duly noted.

guttle11
07-06-2009, 11:22 PM
Janish has given up 11 runs in two innings. I'd still take him over Lincoln.

Tom Servo
07-06-2009, 11:25 PM
I actually completely missed and forgot about this game.



Holy crap.

traderumor
07-06-2009, 11:28 PM
I actually completely missed and forgot about this game.



Holy crap.Then it never happened. Call MLB and tell them all records are to be expunged for this game.

dsmith421
07-06-2009, 11:38 PM
It's only one loss but that is just a freaking embarrassment.

KronoRed
07-06-2009, 11:43 PM
Holy Moles, 10 runs in the 1st? Paul Wilson like :lol:

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-06-2009, 11:51 PM
Holy Moles, 10 runs in the 1st? Paul Wilson like :lol:

More like Bronson Arroyo-esque.

BCubb2003
07-07-2009, 12:18 AM
Your sarcasm has been duly noted.

It's wise to maintain good habits, if you have any, no matter what the score is, I agree with that. But I suppose when it's off-the-charts awful it's a lot to ask to maintain an equilibrium. The pitcher is just throwing it over the plate, the umpire wants to go home and no amount of small ball or big ball is going to help.

But maybe this game extracted all the runs from the Phillies' bats for a while.

paintmered
07-07-2009, 12:55 AM
Pythagoras took an uppercut straight to the chin tonight.

cincrazy
07-07-2009, 01:06 AM
Anyone remember the Jimmy Haynes start against the Phillies? I left to take a shower, came back, and it was 14-0 Phillies after they had entered the inning in a 0-0 tie. So, tonight was bad. But not THAT bad :). As far as one inning is concerned anyways...

VR
07-07-2009, 01:31 AM
what's the worst all time loss for the Reds?

Tom Servo
07-07-2009, 02:28 AM
what's the worst all time loss for the Reds?
According to John Fay, this is the first time the Reds have been outscored by 21 runs or more.

So this one.

Puig Your Red
07-07-2009, 06:51 AM
Go get 'em, Johnny. Stick that ASG snub to Manuel.
Uh, whoops. lol

Ron Madden
07-07-2009, 07:12 AM
Are you kiddin' me? 22-1 That Does It!!!

They gotta send Jay Bruce down and git rid of EE!!!

;)

cumberlandreds
07-07-2009, 08:32 AM
what's the worst all time loss for the Reds?

That was it last night. The 21 run defeat was the worst in franchise history that goes back to the 1880's. The last time they had lost by 20 runs was 1892. Nothing but a complete embarrasment for the whole franchise. We will see how they pickup the pieces from here. But that was probably the season. I hold no illusions now about this team being in the playoffs or being a mild contender from here on out this season. What was the Reds strength,the pitching,has imploded on them the last few days. Starting with the bullpen on Friday night and continuing on with 32 runs in two days. The hitting has been subpar the whole season and couldn't support a team pitch pretty well and so now with pitching dying there's no way the hitting can keep up with that.

http://www.kentucky.com/529/story/854835.html

GAC
07-07-2009, 08:41 AM
Man! I can't leave this team for 24 hrs and enjoy some family time (at Cedar Point) without them acting up like this!

I got burned, but not as bad as these guys did! :lol:

We're leaving tomorrow for a 2 day stay at Kings Island, and I really have no idea what to expect. :lol:

GAC
07-07-2009, 08:44 AM
We should make some sort of badge that everyone who watched the entire game can proudly display in their profile.

:cool:

http://www.parentingunderthestars.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/shame.jpg

If I had a dog right now I'd kick him. Right now I'm trying to chase down the neighbor's cat. ;)

jojo
07-07-2009, 09:14 AM
Pythagoras took an uppercut straight to the chin tonight.

He's got a granite jaw though.....

GAC
07-07-2009, 09:16 AM
9 runs in 2/3 of an inning?

Tell Cueto to quit sitting next to Bronson.

jojo
07-07-2009, 09:20 AM
9 runs in 2/3 of an inning?

Tell Cueto to quit sitting next to Bronson.

Arroyo hasn't been giving him guitar lessons has he?

KittyDuran
07-07-2009, 09:21 AM
It's probably karma... a payback for this about 10 years ago... ;)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI199909040.shtml

jojo
07-07-2009, 09:23 AM
It was a seriously depressing 2/3rds of an inning too....49 pitches.

I'm glad he was yanked. Herrera took one for the team last night.

Anyone know what a game used Janish-pitched ball would be worth on ebay?

cincrazy
07-07-2009, 09:48 AM
It's probably karma... a payback for this about 10 years ago... ;)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI199909040.shtml

Ah, that game was fun. That season was fun. Life was fun.

Since then, not so much.

Falls City Beer
07-07-2009, 09:57 AM
The bullpen's going to love these next two games. :)

traderumor
07-07-2009, 09:59 AM
Watching the pronouncements of the season being over is quite comical, using everything from Pythagorean to consecutive blowouts to poor offense to franchise embarrassment to Friday's loss as evidence. Is a 22-1 thrashing really indicative of anything? Are consecutive blowouts indicators? Heck, lets throw in that 15-2 Milwaukee loss and you have 47-4 in three games. You can pretty much throw that indicator out for a .500 team with those kind of run differentials in three games, unless you are going to use it later as some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy.

Falls City Beer
07-07-2009, 10:01 AM
Watching the pronouncements of the season being over is quite comical, using everything from Pythagorean to consecutive blowouts to poor offense to franchise embarrassment to Friday's loss as evidence. Is a 22-1 thrashing really indicative of anything? Are consecutive blowouts indicators? Heck, lets throw in that 15-2 Milwaukee loss and you have 47-4 in three games. You can pretty much throw that indicator out for a .500 team with those kind of run differentials in three games, unless you are going to use it later as some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy.

Not by itself, no. But let's not pretend like wider loss margins aren't becoming increasingly common with the Reds.

More to the point, no pitching reinforcements on the horizon and the bullpen experiencing a due regression.

It's not rocket science.

jojo
07-07-2009, 10:06 AM
Watching the pronouncements of the season being over is quite comical, using everything from Pythagorean to consecutive blowouts to poor offense to franchise embarrassment to Friday's loss as evidence. Is a 22-1 thrashing really indicative of anything? Are consecutive blowouts indicators? Heck, lets throw in that 15-2 Milwaukee loss and you have 47-4 in three games. You can pretty much throw that indicator out for a .500 team with those kind of run differentials in three games, unless you are going to use it later as some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy.

Last night tells us Philadelphia's offense is really good.

The Reds offense? Well it's not as good as Philadelphia's.

I think we knew that going into last night though....

nate
07-07-2009, 10:13 AM
OK, I made the badges. Although we can't display images in our sigs, perhaps they can be added to the smileys to remember this momentous game:

http://www.gluethemoose.com/neen/redszone/badges/icon_016.png

http://www.gluethemoose.com/neen/redszone/badges/icon_032.png

http://www.gluethemoose.com/neen/redszone/badges/icon_048.png

http://www.gluethemoose.com/neen/redszone/badges/icon_128.png

Just a way to take something humorous from the game!

traderumor
07-07-2009, 10:14 AM
Not by itself, no. But let's not pretend like wider loss margins aren't becoming increasingly common with the Reds.

More to the point, no pitching reinforcements on the horizon and the bullpen experiencing a due regression.

It's not rocket science.What I find interesting in the reactions is that when the Reds have a winning blowout game, folks have perspective and don't really make anything of it, knowing that it is just one game. After a blowout loss, pronouncements of doom are commonplace and provides a basis for dire predictions from that point forward. That is rather hard to take seriously.

traderumor
07-07-2009, 10:16 AM
Last night tells us Philadelphia's offense is really good.

The Reds offense? Well it's not as good as Philadelphia's.

I think we knew that going into last night though....Exactly.

Falls City Beer
07-07-2009, 10:30 AM
Last night probably told us that Cueto is 5' 10" and has a twingy back, too and was pitching in a small park where his flyballs are going to leave as they are wont to do.

Sure, the Phillies' offense is very good (though they were horrible against AL pitching). My guess is that Phillies' offense feasted on subpar overrated NL Central pitching. It's not like they stopped at whipping up on Cueto.

Would anyone here lay $100 on the Reds coming within 5 runs of the Phillies tonight?

Falls City Beer
07-07-2009, 10:32 AM
What I find interesting in the reactions is that when the Reds have a winning blowout game, folks have perspective and don't really make anything of it, knowing that it is just one game. After a blowout loss, pronouncements of doom are commonplace and provides a basis for dire predictions from that point forward. That is rather hard to take seriously.

It's not really a pronouncement of doom. I think that's an overstatement.

I saw a .500 team, but really, considering the injuries and the failure of Bruce to be what was projected pre-season, I should probably adjust that prediction down a bit. Probably a 75 win season or so.

I think that when the facts change, the conclusions should too.

traderumor
07-07-2009, 10:39 AM
It's not really a pronouncement of doom. I think that's an overstatement.

I saw a .500 team, but really, considering the injuries and the failure of Bruce to be what was projected pre-season, I should probably adjust that prediction down a bit. Probably a 75 win season or so.

I think that when the facts change, the conclusions should too.I agree. A weatherman looking out the window and seeing rain ought to change his prediction from 50% rain to 100%. Of course, that also tells us what the weatherman's predictions are worth ;)

RedsMan3203
07-07-2009, 11:12 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if the Reds won tonight 2-1 or 3-1.

Just sayin'

redsmetz
07-07-2009, 11:13 AM
I agree. A weatherman looking out the window and seeing rain ought to change his prediction from 50% rain to 100%. Of course, that also tells us what the weatherman's predictions are worth ;)

Actually an analogy like this is perhaps apt in looking at the long haul, statistically speaking. If the conditions indicate there's a 50% chance of rain and it rains, then perhaps the next time those conditions may indicate there's a 51% (or maybe a 50.6% or whatever) chance of rain the next.

The drubbings over the last two days are troublesome (and including the Milwaukee beating adds fuel to that), but it's still just one game. Interestingly, the last time the Phillies scored this many runs or more was back in 1985 when they smacked around the Expos, I think. The previous day the opposing team held them to three hits. It's a roller coast ride, at times and these things happen (even historical games like last night - for both teams apparently).

This team will experience some bad games, no question. I think we'll still see some gems too. Such things happen in long seasons.

jojo
07-07-2009, 11:17 AM
We can look at last night this way. We got to see a bit of history in the sense that last night just doesn't happen very often.

Maybe the Reds will turn a triple play tonight.

Falls City Beer
07-07-2009, 11:20 AM
Reds are now 10th in the NL in runs allowed.

paintmered
07-07-2009, 08:35 PM
Don't let my previous comment about Pythagoras taking one to the chin steer you wrong, my feelings on this game are no different than if it was a 2-1 loss. Because it was just that, a single loss. However, beatings like these are an indicator of something greater. As it stands now, the Reds are 4 wins over their Pythagorean win total. Not good...

A week before the All-Star break is no time to panic. The bleeding can stop but the Reds need to establish an inflection point in performance soon if there's hope for October.

Falls City Beer
07-07-2009, 08:45 PM
Don't let my previous comment about Pythagoras taking one to the chin steer you wrong, my feelings on this game are no different than if it was a 2-1 loss. Because it was just that, a single loss. However, beatings like these are an indicator of something greater. As it stands now, the Reds are 4 wins over their Pythagorean win total. Not good...

A week before the All-Star break is no time to panic. The bleeding can stop but the Reds need to establish an inflection point in performance soon if there's hope for October.

The Reds need to have a boat full of talent waiting for them when they return from the AS break. At least one TOR starter, one big time bat, and one guy who can man third.

Big Klu
07-07-2009, 10:10 PM
Anyone remember the Jimmy Haynes start against the Phillies? I left to take a shower, came back, and it was 14-0 Phillies after they had entered the inning in a 0-0 tie. So, tonight was bad. But not THAT bad :). As far as one inning is concerned anyways...

I thought Ryan Dempster started that game.

traderumor
07-08-2009, 01:50 PM
Don't let my previous comment about Pythagoras taking one to the chin steer you wrong, my feelings on this game are no different than if it was a 2-1 loss. Because it was just that, a single loss. However, beatings like these are an indicator of something greater. As it stands now, the Reds are 4 wins over their Pythagorean win total. Not good...

A week before the All-Star break is no time to panic. The bleeding can stop but the Reds need to establish an inflection point in performance soon if there's hope for October.But before that game they were what, about a game over? I understand the diagnostic benefit of Pyth., but I think using it to make a diagnosis immediately following a loss of historic proportions is stretching the application of the principle.