Bakermetrics: The Thread

[TheBigLebowski]

Obviously only Dusty has complete knowledge of this rather complex and mystifying subject, but I thought we should have a thread dedicated to its study.

When you see a principle of Bakermetrics in action, you can post it here. Also, some of the generally more accepted principles can be knocked out right off the bat. For instance, one of my favorite BM's is:

"Centerfielder bats leadoff, dude."

Texasdave has also suggested that we round-table suggestions as to who will play Dusty in the movie.

So, SunDeckers, let's have it.

[TheBigLebowski]

Hint: Members with low posting percentages should get this thread started.

[Kingspoint]

The song heard in the clubhouse, "I've Got A Feeling" from the Beatles' 1970 album, Let It Be. Takes Baker back to his good ol' days.

[Farney]

The closer must ONLY be used in save situations, even when he is fresh and the game is 16+ innings

[texasdave]

A good way to get inserted into the lineup is to mention to Dusty that you got Hank Aaron's autograph when you were a kid.

[texasdave]

Thou shalt split thy lefties.

[TheBigLebowski]

Another fave...

"Shortstop hits second, dude."

[TheBigLebowski]

"Shortstop pitches when the game is out of hand, dude."

[texasdave]

Speed kills. (Unfortunately in the case of Willy Taveras, it kills rallies). :)

[TheBigLebowski]

"Double-switches are better than single-switches, dude."

[improbus]

How about by dating his daughter?

[TheBigLebowski]

How about by dating his daughter?

State it as though it was a rule or principle, dude.

[texasdave]

In-scoring position percentage trumps everything, dude.

[improbus]

State it as though it was a rule or principle, dude.

Sorry, dude.

[texasdave]

If you can play in Chicago you can play in Cincinnati, dude.

[GIDP]

I took Bakermetrics from a reds blog that isnt around any more

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:XgitrRfxTwkJ:www.dunnanddunner.com/2008/06/bakermetrics-lineups.html+Bakermetrics&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Thats the cached version of the site. The guy used to have a couple Bakermetric ideas or something.

[GIDP]

I dont think you could top his definition of it

Main Entry:
ba·ker·met·rics
Pronunciation:
ˈbā-kər-ˈme-triks
Function:
noun plural but singular in construction
Etymology:
Baker + -metrics (as in econometrics)
Date:
2008
: the statistical analysis of baseball data without statistics, often used by Dusty Baker

[GIDP]

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:WrA77TGcoI4J:www.dunnanddunner.com/2008/06/bakermetrics-alert-dusty-is-worse-than.html+Bakermetrics&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

another bakermetric post from that site

[texasdave]

Don't clog the bases, Dude!!!

[GIDP]

one more that I found on yardbarker

http://www.yardbarker.com/MLB/articles/Bakermetrics_Walks_and_Aggressive_at_bats/307593

[Kingspoint]

Free-Swingers are Starters, and bat at the top of the order.

[TheBigLebowski]

Toothpicks help ya manage, dude.

[Orodle]

Albert Pujols' kryptonite is David Weather's 87mph 2 seamer thigh level, dude

[JohnCocktoasten]

Even if you have 4+ years of major league service AND a multi-year contract, you are still a work in progress, dude.

[Fon Duc Tow]

"But Dusty, the younger player is outperforming the veteran!"

A veteran always trumps a younger player, dude. -DB

[schmidty622]

This thread is all kinds of enlightening...


























Dude.

[lidspinner]

"hey man, if you date my daughter i'll let you play CF and bat leadoff"

was that a low blow?

[TheBigLebowski]

"Veterans are winners, dude."

[TheBigLebowski]

No one has suggested any actors who could play Dusty in the movie "Bakermetrics."

I will suggest two:

James Earl Jones. I have no idea why but the idea of JEJ as Dusty just cracks me up.

The second one is actually impossible, but Sammy Davis Jr. as Dusty Baker alone would be worth the price of admission.

[Kingspoint]

Weathers can get this guy out.

[OesterPoster]

No one has suggested any actors who could play Dusty in the movie "Bakermetrics."

I will suggest two:

James Earl Jones. I have no idea why but the idea of JEJ as Dusty just cracks me up.

The second one is actually impossible, but Sammy Davis Jr. as Dusty Baker alone would be worth the price of admission.

I'd go with that rotund dude who always plays a cop. Was in Die Hard, Family Matters, Turner & Hooch, etc. Played Big Mike's brother on Chuck last season too.

[Fon Duc Tow]

No one has suggested any actors who could play Dusty in the movie "Bakermetrics."

I will suggest two:

James Earl Jones. I have no idea why but the idea of JEJ as Dusty just cracks me up.

The second one is actually impossible, but Sammy Davis Jr. as Dusty Baker alone would be worth the price of admission.

Funny you mention him. When my wife first saw Dusty on TV, she said "Is that the "if you build it they will come" guy?"

Had to laugh.

[tobttr]

Let's send down another position player so we can carry another pitcher.

[Chris Sabowned]

But he played with Hank Aaron so he must know his stuff

I don't worry about on base percentage, I worry about in scoring position percentage


And some casting for the movie:
Forest Whittaker as Dusty Baker
Mehki Phifer as Corey Patterson
Jeff Goldblum as Paul Bako

[CesarGeronimo]

There's no problem with putting your pitcher back out there after a long rain delay.

Starting pitchers, no matter how many millions you have invested in them in long-term contracts, can be used as relievers in between their starts.

[Kendal22]

" I knew I should have put David Weathers in!"

[JohnCocktoasten]

I don't worry about on base percentage, I worry about in scoring position percentage

He's never said that, has he?

[CesarGeronimo]

He's never said that, has he?

He's referring to this quote from Dusty about Willy Taveras:

"His role is he's our center fielder and our leadoff man," Baker said. "The fact that he's so young, he's going to get better. A lot of people talk about his on-base percentage. I like to think in terms of him getting into scoring position." If you're curious, the "so young" Taveras turned 27 last month.

Source: Cincinnati Enquirer

[TheBigLebowski]

"Takes two days for young players to clear their heads, dudes. Takes vets an evening."

[BluegrassRedleg]

Berkman, Hall, Pujols, Theriot et al don't need brushed back, dude. That's for sissies like Bob Gibson.

[DannyB]

With 2 outs and the pitcher on first the leadoff hitter shall always attempt a bunt.

Because he's really fast,Dude

[CesarGeronimo]

Q: Why doesn't Dickerson play center since he's obviously the better defensive centerfielder?

DB: Willy Taveras is our centerfielder, dude.

[ukwazoo]

Letting the starting pitcher go five innings so he can get the win is far more important than the team getting the win. No matter how bad the starter is pitching, dude.

[Kendal22]

Randy Jackson as Dusty Baker, dude

[texasdave]

Randy Jackson as Dusty Baker, dude

Most excellent choice, dude.

[CincyFalcon]

One of my favorites from when he was with the Cubs...His man crush with Neifi Perez rivaled that of Patterson and Taveras

[texasdave]

One of my favorite Dusty memories was when the Reds were playing up in Wrigley and Dusty messed up a double switch. LOL. He came flying at the umpire. I thought he was gonna swallow his lucky toothpick.

That is also sad in a way if one of your favorite memories since the turn of the century of the team you follow is of the opposition manager messing up a double switch.

I think I'll have another beer.

[TheBigLebowski]

One of my favorite Dusty memories was when the Reds were playing up in Wrigley and Dusty messed up a double switch. LOL. He came flying at the umpire. I thought he was gonna swallow his lucky toothpick.

That is also sad in a way if one of your favorite memories since the turn of the century of the team you follow is of the opposition manager messing up a double switch.

I think I'll have another beer.

The double-switch is good baseball, dude.

[TheBigLebowski]

Always play for one run when you're down by four, dude.

[texasdave]

Always play for one run when you're down by four, dude.

cuz walk-off grand slams are way cool, dude.

[BigPoppa]

Randy Jackson as Dusty Baker, dude

I like it, dawg.....er,....dude. Bigtime.

[texasdave]

Good teams take it to the other team, dude.

[TheBigLebowski]

Losing by 4 runs is waaaay better than losing by 7, dude.

[TheBigLebowski]

"OBP" stands for "Overrated Baseball Percentage," dude.

[texasdave]

ISPP is a registered trademark of Dusty Baker and the Better Baseball Through Bakermetrics Foundation.

ISPP = In Scoring Position Percentage.

[ukwazoo]

ISPP is a registered trademark of Dusty Baker and the Better Baseball Through Bakermetrics Foundation.

ISPP = In Scoring Position Percentage.

lol

[GIDP]

RBI guys have to bat 5th or lower.

[texasdave]

Failure is not an option, dude, it's a standard. :)

[Joeyjection19]

You never need to hit the ball out of the infield, dude.

Will Ferrell as Adam Dunn, dude.

[malcontent]

On the relative importance of walks for a leadoff man:

"It's really noticeable when your leadoff man isn't hitting," Baker said. If he's not getting walks as non at-bats, the at-bats mount up quicker than anybody else on the team."

What a managerial dilemma! Your CF isn't hitting and he's not even drawing walks to hide the fact that he's not hitting.

[podgejeff_]

Dude, the vets start because they've earned it, but the younger guys get chances to prove themselves in late-inning, high pressure situations.

[podgejeff_]

You never look at the ump when arguing, dude. You look at the ground.

[nemesis]

"It's really noticeable when your leadoff man isn't hitting," Baker said. If he's not getting walks as non at-bats, the at-bats mount up quicker than anybody else on the team."

I think I just had a stroke reading this...

Soooo you admit your leadoff guy can't hit OR draw a walk meaning he makes the most outs AND HE IS STILL THE GUY GETTING THE MOST AB'S?!!??

:bash: :runawaycr

Does anyone in the FO read this stuff??????

[JKam]

What the hell, Baker has three right handed batters in a row in the middle of the lineup tonight. I thought it was sacrilidge to stack the same side batters together. He wouldn't even put Votto and Bruce back to back.

[GIDP]

No thats only lefties.

[texasdave]

Righties bat from the opposite aside of the plate than lefties, dude. So you run the rule in reverse. You split the lefties and stack the righties - bigtime.

[malcontent]

Does anyone in the FO read this stuff??????

Incredible, isn't it?

Not an inkling of the value of walks as they relate to OBP.

But instead, simply as a batting average buffer for a hitter in a slump.

But that's to be expected from the genius who gave us this:

"Do you ever see the top 10 walking (rankings)? You see top 10 batting average. A lot of those top 10 do walk, but the name of the game is to hit.”

[bellposter]

only bring the closer in in the ninth even if the yanks use rivera in tie games