View Full Version : Urban Meyer stepping down as Florida coach
Reds Fanatic
12-26-2009, 07:55 PM
Major college football news just broke that Urban Meyer will be stepping down as Florida coach. Don't know if he will coach in the Sugar Bowl or not.
reds44
12-26-2009, 07:57 PM
Health reasons, and he will coach the Sugar Bowl.
Cincy gon get killed.
Revering4Blue
12-26-2009, 07:58 PM
Meyer to coach final game at Sugar Bowl
Urban Meyer is stepping down as coach of the Florida football team, athletics director Jeremy Foley announced Saturday afternoon in a release.
"I have given my heart and soul to coaching college football and mentoring young men for the last 24-plus years and I have dedicated most of my waking moments the last five years to the Gator football program," Meyer said in statement. "I have ignored my health for years, but recent developments have forced me to re-evaluate my priorities of faith and family.
"After consulting with my family, Dr. Machen, Jeremy Foley and my doctors, I believe it is in my best interest to step aside and focus on my health and family.
"I'm proud to be a part of the Gainesville community and the Gator Nation and I plan to remain in Gainesville and involved with the University of Florida.
"I'm very appreciative for the opportunity I've had to be a part of a tremendous institution - from Dr. Machen to Jeremy Foley and the entire administrative staff at UF. I'm also very thankful for the chance to work with some of the best assistants in college football and coach some of the best college football players and watch them grow both on and off the field as people. I will cherish the relationships with them the most."
Meyer will coach his last game for Florida against Cincinnati on Jan. 1 at the Sugar Bow
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4772952
Joseph
12-26-2009, 08:04 PM
I do not like Florida, and I am not a fan of Urban, but he will certainly be in my prayers as this must be a very serious situation for him to retire/resign.
sonny
12-26-2009, 08:05 PM
wow, just heard this. I've gotta say, I admire Urban for this move. Too many guys neglect things like their health and family to coach.
Good luck to him in whatever he does, although I hope he goes out on a loss.
HeatherC1212
12-26-2009, 08:09 PM
Wow, the Sugar Bowl just keeps getting more and more interesting. I wish Urban all the best with his health and his family and I hope things go well for him. I agree that it must be something serious for him to step down from coaching. :eek:
dabvu2498
12-26-2009, 08:11 PM
Charlie Strong may have left a lil early.
RedsManRick
12-26-2009, 08:12 PM
Obviously he doesn't want to share the details, or he would have, but I'm curious what the circumstances are.
ochre
12-26-2009, 08:40 PM
He has a (documented/well reported) brain cyst that manifested itself when he was at ND and was diagnosed when he was at Utah. Chances are that, combined with more and more stress, it's impacting his life more than he's willing to let it, so he's trying to reduce the stress.
Reds4Life
12-26-2009, 08:42 PM
He has a (documented/well reported) brain cyst that manifested itself when he was at ND and was diagnosed when he was at Utah. Chances are that, combined with more and more stress, it's impacting his life more than he's willing to let it, so he's trying to reduce the stress.
It's being reported he told the players he has a heart condition. When he was admitted after the SEC game, it was for chest pains.
Wow, this is too bad for college football. The guy is a phenomenal coach.
I hope he makes it through this and finds his way into the coaching ranks again. But given that he didn't take a leave, but actually stepped down, does not sound promising.
WVRed
12-26-2009, 09:36 PM
Charlie Strong may have left a lil early.
Charlie Strong hasn't signed a formal contract with Louisville according to ESPN. It's a "term sheet" I believe. Florida could bring him back to coach but I doubt it.
Some of the names being floated out:
Dan Mullen (Mississippi St head coach, former OC under Meyer)
Charlie Strong (see above)
Mike Shanahan
Bob Stoops (Was a coordinator under Spurrier but has been VERY loyal to Oklahoma)
Bobby Petrino
It is certainly a shame though. Meyer IMO could have cemented himself as possibly one of the greatest coaches in college football if he hasn't already done so. My thoughts and prayers are definitely with him and his family as they deal with these issues. Hopefully it is resolved and he could make a return to coaching one day.
Reds4Life
12-26-2009, 09:56 PM
Can't see Stoops leaving Oklahoma. If he was interested in leaving Notre Dame would have paid him a fortune, more than Florida could pay. He passed.
Petrino is a scumbag, Florida would be smart to steer away from him.
I'd love to see him return to college coaching one day. UC homer glass on.....his parents live in Blue Ash, his sister works at UC, would be a lot less stress here. Homer glasses off.
In reality, they say it's not life threatening, but if it was a situation where he needed some time off to get well, I'm sure Florida would have given him the time off. With the health stuff, it could be he just isn't interested in doing it anymore. Already won a couple national titles, and he's got more than enough money to last his family the rest of their lives. Why put up with the stress, and it making the health issues worse, when you don't have to? I couldn't blame him for retiring and living the good life.
Caveat Emperor
12-26-2009, 10:39 PM
As someone who dealt this holiday season with a family member having health issues, I'm glad that Urban is putting his health and family first.
He's accomplished great things as a coach, but I'm sure he wants to be around to see grandkids grow up way more than he wants another national championship.
kaldaniels
12-26-2009, 11:44 PM
Prayers to Urban and his family, no doubt.
I am very intrigued to see who UF goes after...Butch Davis would be on my short list...I don't know how settled in he is at UNC though.
JaxRed
12-27-2009, 12:45 AM
I don't see then asking Strong. Florida is maybe the top job in the country. You don't give that to a guy that's never been a head coach. The Mullen thing makes some sense. I know he signed a big TV contract, but you have to wonder about Gruden also.
Razor Shines
12-27-2009, 01:03 AM
I was listening to ESPN radio in the car a few minutes ago and Dennis Franchione was talking about the stress for a coach at Urban's level. He was saying that it gets to a point for some where the wins are just a relief and the losses are devastating. He said from what he saw of Meyer the last few weeks of the season, he thinks he was at that point.
He has a (documented/well reported) brain cyst that manifested itself when he was at ND and was diagnosed when he was at Utah. Chances are that, combined with more and more stress, it's impacting his life more than he's willing to let it, so he's trying to reduce the stress.
I was listening to ESPN radio in the car a few minutes ago and Dennis Franchione was talking about the stress for a coach at Urban's level. He was saying that it gets to a point for some where the wins are just a relief and the losses are devastating. He said from what he saw of Meyer the last few weeks of the season, he thinks he was at that point.
He's scheduled to give a press conference today; but I think you guy's have nailed the "why?"...... STRESS.
Not saying he may not have other physical ailments; but I bet behind it all is stress, which can severely complicate matters.
redsfanmia
12-27-2009, 01:07 PM
Would Tony Dungy be a legitimate candidate? He is a great molder of men and would be a great fit if interested.
macro
12-27-2009, 03:58 PM
Meyer has now changed it to a leave of absence, leaving the door open to a return.
WVRed
12-27-2009, 06:08 PM
Meyer has now changed it to a leave of absence, leaving the door open to a return.
This is solely JMO, but if I were Florida, I would seriously look at attracting somebody who could fill in as an associate head coach. Somebody who could fill in for Meyer if needed and could alleviate his stress. He has lost two of his top coordinators to head coaching jobs and I could see that even taking a toll.
A lot of programs have somebody who could run the program in that situation, but most of them are older coaches such as Joe Paterno, Bobby Bowden, and Rich Brooks. Mack Brown has Will Muschamp lined up as his successor but I don't know if that really qualifies. Just don't see how beneficial it is to have Addazio, who is in his first year as offensive coordinator at Florida, running the show in Meyer's absence.
dabvu2498
12-27-2009, 07:51 PM
This has a Coach K-Pete Gaudet feel to it.
macro
12-27-2009, 08:03 PM
Will the ongoing uncertainty as to Meyer's status be worse for the program in the short term than his sticking with his original decision?
Reds4Life
12-27-2009, 08:29 PM
Will the ongoing uncertainty as to Meyer's status be worse for the program in the short term than his sticking with his original decision?
I'm betting he's back for the first game of the 2010 season.
I hope he knows what he's doing. He's already rich, and got a couple national title rings. Nothing left to prove, and it isn't worth dying over.
KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 10:20 PM
Would Tony Dungy be a legitimate candidate? He is a great molder of men and would be a great fit if interested.
Dungy has no interest in coaching at this time. He loves what he is doing for NBC and has stated so. Florida definitely is stuck between a rock and a hard place on what they should do. Do you hire a long term replacement (Big name) or promote from within and watch recruiting possibly suffer. Should be an interesting off season in college football.
Reds4Life
12-27-2009, 11:13 PM
Dungy has no interest in coaching at this time. He loves what he is doing for NBC and has stated so. Florida definitely is stuck between a rock and a hard place on what they should do. Do you hire a long term replacement (Big name) or promote from within and watch recruiting possibly suffer. Should be an interesting off season in college football.
Big names aren't going to leave an established program if Urban is waiting in the wings and going to take over again at some point. Guys like that don't take temporary gigs.
Since he's just taking a leave, I don't think they have much choice, one of the current guys will run things until Meyer returns.
Caveat Emperor
12-28-2009, 01:06 AM
Will the ongoing uncertainty as to Meyer's status be worse for the program in the short term than his sticking with his original decision?
Could actually be better -- they can sell recruits that Meyer is only going away for the offseason and will probably be back in the fall.
In fact, the cynic in me almost wants to believe that Meyer "changed his mind" to protect the recruiting class and will make the decision to really resign after national signing day.
I watched the ESPN interview with Meyer tonight and I was really impressed with the guy. I didn't have a negative perception of him before, but I definitely think higher of him now than previously.
He talked in detail about how much the job consumed his life giving specific examples of times in his life when he was out doing something else and couldn't stop thinking about 3rd and 6. Given some of the specifics he mentioned regarding the health problems he had this year, I only hope that he's able to fully step away for a while. My fear would be that if he is just taking a leave, he won't be able to fully relax and remove the stress as he will still feel an obligation to the program. If he fully resigned, it would be easy to completely release himself from responsibility and the stress.
KoryMac5
12-28-2009, 02:43 AM
Sounds like a similiar situation to Dick Vermeil back in the early 80's when he left Philly. Stress of the game just got to be too much for him as he overworked himself to burnout.
I have to think some fellow coaches will use this against Florida on the recruiting trail.
Roy Tucker
12-28-2009, 09:30 AM
I remember reading this article at SI a few weeks back and thinking "this guy needs to take a break". Intense doesn't begin to describe him.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1163435/index.htm
traderumor
12-28-2009, 02:29 PM
I'm glad ESPN or TMZ isn't around when I change my mind about a career move. How does such a high level decision get revised in such a short period of time, or was it just good old misreporting?
bucksfan2
12-28-2009, 02:59 PM
I have never been a big fan of Urban Meyer's. I think for the most part he has run a "winning is the only thing that matters" program and Tebow has masked multiple arrests and the beginnings of a rogue program. It is even more disturbing that Dunlap (I believe) is allowed to play in the bowl game after what he did. But back to the major issue.
What makes most successful college coaches great is their ability to flip the switch on and off. It sounds as if Urban can't do that. He has sacrificed his health and his family in order to become a prime time coach. What really struck me is is daughter saying something to the effect of "now I get my daddy back" and then Tebow saying "he was like a second father to me". Its shocking, but not all that unexpected, that Urban would have a better relationship with his QB than his own family.
I fully respected his decision to move away from the game and become a better father and more healthy. I do see this flip flopping as Urban being a "drama queen" which isn't all that unprecedented with him. I hope he makes the right decision for himself and his family first. The UF football program isn't going anywhere and will survive if they have to hire another football coach.
Boston Red
12-28-2009, 03:07 PM
This has a Coach K-Pete Gaudet feel to it.
How about Lute Olsen/Kevin O'Neill?
Mario-Rijo
12-29-2009, 06:22 PM
Could actually be better -- they can sell recruits that Meyer is only going away for the offseason and will probably be back in the fall.
In fact, the cynic in me almost wants to believe that Meyer "changed his mind" to protect the recruiting class and will make the decision to really resign after national signing day.
That's where I'd lay my money. This guy is gonna be gone from coaching quite some time. And I applaud him for the move but not so much the way he went about it.
Chip R
12-29-2009, 10:41 PM
Sounds like he's taking career advice from Brett Favre.
Captain Hook
12-29-2009, 11:19 PM
:laugh:
Sounds like he's taking career advice from Brett Favre.
Hoosier Red
12-30-2009, 10:53 AM
Dungy has no interest in coaching at this time. He loves what he is doing for NBC and has stated so. Florida definitely is stuck between a rock and a hard place on what they should do. Do you hire a long term replacement (Big name) or promote from within and watch recruiting possibly suffer. Should be an interesting off season in college football.
One other thing to consider, pro football coaches have a lot less on their plate than college coaches. In pro football, winning is all that matters. You have to spend all your time getting your 53 players to be in position to win as many of the 16 games and then playoffs as possible.
In College Football, you're dealing with a roster of 80+ players who you need to develop, hundreds of high school players you have to recruit, and then you have to market the program to boosters, the community at large, and in some cases some state government relations to round things out.
If someone has never worked in a college program(and I thought Dungy went straight to the Steelers or Vikings but could be wrong) it would really be difficult to do the job correctly.
OnBaseMachine
03-27-2010, 03:56 PM
I can't stand Urban Meyer.
A video making the rounds this morning shows Florida Gators coach Urban Meyer confronting Jeremy Fowler, a reporter for the Orlando Sentinel, after Fowler wrote an article about how the SEC powerhouse was moving on after Tim Tebow.
In the video, Meyer threatens Fowler's access because he -- wait for it -- correctly quoted one of Meyer's players.
He didn't stop there, threatening hypothetical violence.
"If that was my son, we'd be going rounds,'' Meyer said.
Video of Urban acting like he's a tough guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPQ1j7aWaIE&feature=player_embedded
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2010/03/florida_coach_urban_meyer_thre.html
KronoRed
03-27-2010, 04:26 PM
I'm sure this forum will have a fair take on what took place
;)
paintmered
03-27-2010, 04:32 PM
Meyer apologized to the reporter.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5033522
texasdave
03-27-2010, 05:36 PM
Urban Meyer said he would be fighting the reporter if it was his kid? Is he serious?
macro
03-27-2010, 08:09 PM
I'm sure this forum will have a fair take on what took place
;)
In fairness to this forum, the national media has been pretty rough on Meyer the past couple of days. I'm not sure there's really any defending what he did.
Meh, this is typical making a mountain out of a molehill. Sports reporters of this day an age are barely a step above the sewer. The guy took some pretty innocent quotes by a player and turned them into controversy over Saint Tim. He's just a kid and doesn't fully understand how his comments will be used. These reporters don't give two craps about them and Urban has a little of the mother bear mentality.
Chip R
03-27-2010, 09:28 PM
Meh, this is typical making a mountain out of a molehill. Sports reporters of this day an age are barely a step above the sewer. The guy took some pretty innocent quotes by a player and turned them into controversy over Saint Tim. He's just a kid and doesn't fully understand how his comments will be used. These reporters don't give two craps about them and Urban has a little of the mother bear mentality.
I agree somewhat. The thing I find a little odd is Meyer "mother bearing" Tebow even though he's no longer one of his players. I think it's admirable he takes an interest in one of his players after he's out of the program but this is somewhat extreme. Tebow's a man now and really doesn't need Meyer standing up for him. I see what Meyer's doing, though. Tebow's draft status is so shaky that a comment like that could really knock it down some. However, I'm somewhat skeptical that a comment like that could cost Tebow a great deal of money.
As for the reporter, I don't think he had to quote the kid verbatim. What the reporter could have wrote was that the kid said that this new QB is a better pure passer than Tebow. That's pretty innocuous. I don't think anyone would argue that point.
I agree somewhat. The thing I find a little odd is Meyer "mother bearing" Tebow even though he's no longer one of his players. I think it's admirable he takes an interest in one of his players after he's out of the program but this is somewhat extreme. Tebow's a man now and really doesn't need Meyer standing up for him. I see what Meyer's doing, though. Tebow's draft status is so shaky that a comment like that could really knock it down some. However, I'm somewhat skeptical that a comment like that could cost Tebow a great deal of money.
As for the reporter, I don't think he had to quote the kid verbatim. What the reporter could have wrote was that the kid said that this new QB is a better pure passer than Tebow. That's pretty innocuous. I don't think anyone would argue that point.
Your bolded point is what I was getting at. I don't think Urban was protecting Tim, I think he was "mother bearing" the kid who made the comment who had it completely twisted by the reporter who knew that any criticism of the the Omnipotent Tebow (even if it was unintended) would be controversial. The reporter knew what the kid meant, but didn't care. He had something that would garner attention to himself and didn't care that he was manipulating some kid in the process. THAT is what Meyer's outburst was about from what I can tell. And I can't say that I blame him. He might have gone overboard, but I don't have a problem with his overall hostility towards the reporter.
I have such little respect for the overall state of the sports media these days. There are certainly exceptions out there, but for the most part the once proud profession has become much closer to the National Enquirer than the New York Times. I think this is why guys like Meyer feel the need to constantly be guarding against predatorial reporters shopping for dirt. They bring it on themselves by writing stories like this guy wrote.
OnBaseMachine
03-27-2010, 09:54 PM
Meyer apologized to the reporter.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5033522
He'll probably change his mind tomorrow and unapologize.;)
Donder
03-28-2010, 05:21 AM
The reporter knew what the kid meant, but didn't care. He had something that would garner attention to himself and didn't care that he was manipulating some kid in the process.
I can't be the only one who finds it ironic that the only reason that 95% of the nation knows about this quote is because of Urban, right? At this point I'm sure he wishes he had a mulligan.
texasdave
03-28-2010, 10:15 AM
I was thinking the same thing. Urban Meyer, by acting like a schoolyard bully, is the one who turned the molehill into a mountain. I hadn't heard a thing about the controversy until then. Going back and reading the original article, I really don't see what Meyer was upset about. I didn't find it to be a hatchet job.
IslandRed
03-28-2010, 02:43 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Urban Meyer, by acting like a schoolyard bully, is the one who turned the molehill into a mountain. I hadn't heard a thing about the controversy until then. Going back and reading the original article, I really don't see what Meyer was upset about. I didn't find it to be a hatchet job.
You didn't because it wasn't. I think some of the other guys are envisioning some sort of in-depth inquisition where the player was grilled until he said something they could run with. No, it was a pretty predictable and straightforward question, asked on the practice field with other reporters present, and he wrote what the player said in response. Nothing more.
I suppose he could have tried to save the kid from himself, but (1) since it wasn't an exclusive interview, someone was going to use the quote, and (2) he works for a newspaper, not the school.
Now, having said that, the reporter has his job and Meyer has his, and if Meyer had said something to the reporter in private along those lines -- you knew what he was trying to say, you didn't have to hang him out to dry, etc. -- that would be perfectly okay. But when someone decides to make a public scene of it, then guess what, it's a public scene. And being a high-profile college football coach is very public.
KronoRed
03-28-2010, 03:42 PM
I can't be the only one who finds it ironic that the only reason that 95% of the nation knows about this quote is because of Urban, right? At this point I'm sure he wishes he had a mulligan.
The quote was getting time PTI and all the other ESPN talking head shows even before Urban blasted the guy.
Unassisted
12-08-2010, 03:18 PM
It turned out not to be true before, but it's true now.
End Of An Era: Urban Meyer Steps Down (http://www.gatorzone.com/story.php?id=19389)
Sea Ray
12-08-2010, 03:33 PM
It turned out not to be true before, but it's true now.
End Of An Era: Urban Meyer Steps Down (http://www.gatorzone.com/story.php?id=19389)
Good for him. I hope he manages to stay away from coaching for awhile and enjoy the money he's earned.
I'm happy for him and I'm sure there's much rejoicing in the rest of the SEC. For my money, he's the best coach in the country and from what I can tell I good human being. He's they type of coach I'd want my kid to play for.
I hope he finds his way back into coaching at some point, something I suspect will happen.
It's like a funeral here in my office in Jacksonville as the word has now reached pretty much everyone.
The consensus is that Dan Mullen is 99% the new guy. I think that's the pretty easy choice.
Jack Burton
12-08-2010, 04:01 PM
I'm happy for him and I'm sure there's much rejoicing in the rest of the SEC. For my money, he's the best coach in the country and from what I can tell I good human being. He's they type of coach I'd want my kid to play for.
I hope he finds his way back into coaching at some point, something I suspect will happen.
I disagree 100%.
Very glad he came back for the 2010 season though, was nice to see it get handed to him a few times.
Brutus
12-08-2010, 04:10 PM
I'm happy for him and I'm sure there's much rejoicing in the rest of the SEC. For my money, he's the best coach in the country and from what I can tell I good human being. He's they type of coach I'd want my kid to play for.
I hope he finds his way back into coaching at some point, something I suspect will happen.
I agree 100%.
People haven't met Urban don't realize how great a guy he is. I've met him once and know several people that have been close to him. He's competitive, perhaps overly so at times, but he's a great coach and a good guy. I think the hatred of him is nothing more than jealousy for his program. I was hoping he'd be the next coach at Ohio State, and that seems unlikely for a lot of reasons. But hopefully things get better for him.
Jack Burton
12-08-2010, 04:16 PM
Pretty great guy challenging reporters to fights for doing their job. Top shelf.
Todd Gack
12-08-2010, 04:18 PM
I agree 100%.
People haven't met Urban don't realize how great a guy he is. I've met him once and know several people that have been close to him. He's competitive, perhaps overly so at times, but he's a great coach and a good guy. I think the hatred of him is nothing more than jealousy for his program. I was hoping he'd be the next coach at Ohio State, and that seems unlikely for a lot of reasons. But hopefully things get better for him.
His 'we recruit the top 1% of the top 1% of high character football players' was probably my biggest dislike about him. It turned out to be even funnier after 30 some of his athletes were arrested. The media's obsession with Tebow was also another reason why people disliked him. . . not his fault, but that was also a reason.
But his quote about talking about the Top 1% kinda rubbed me the wrong way. . . . a bit arrogant.
WIth ALL of that said, Florida is better off without him right now. Key word: RIght now. If you paid attention, you could easily tell he just wasn't himself this year on the sidelines. The guy seemed beaten.
WIth ALL of that said, Florida is better off without him right now. Key word: RIght now. If you paid attention, you could easily tell he just wasn't himself this year on the sidelines. The guy seemed beaten.
This is verbatim a conversation I overheard just outside my office. i was not aware of this perception, but they basically said he clearly wasn't into it this year.
Brutus
12-08-2010, 04:35 PM
His 'we recruit the top 1% of the top 1% of high character football players' was probably my biggest dislike about him. It turned out to be even funnier after 30 some of his athletes were arrested. The media's obsession with Tebow was also another reason why people disliked him. . . not his fault, but that was also a reason.
But his quote about talking about the Top 1% kinda rubbed me the wrong way. . . . a bit arrogant.
WIth ALL of that said, Florida is better off without him right now. Key word: RIght now. If you paid attention, you could easily tell he just wasn't himself this year on the sidelines. The guy seemed beaten.
He's definitely on the arrogant side. I agree with that.
But I've gotten to know a lot of coaches (more basketball than football, but nonetheless plenty) and one thing about them, they almost all have a lot of confidence in themselves and what they do. Some play the PR game better than others, but they're a great deal arrogant.
Cedric
12-08-2010, 04:38 PM
There are some ugly rumors out there that have been wearing on him also.
Who knows the truth.
kaldaniels
12-08-2010, 04:43 PM
Let Tressell hold down the fort for 5-7 more years at OSU while Meyer can recharge (this time for real) then roll out the red carpet for Urban in Columbus.
Having said that, I have a feeling something is going on with Meyer that we don't know about.
Brutus
12-08-2010, 04:45 PM
Let Tressell hold down the fort for 5-7 more years at OSU while Meyer can recharge (this time for real) then roll out the red carpet for Urban in Columbus.
Having said that, I have a feeling something is going on with Meyer that we don't know about.
It kind of sounds like Tressel is going to be retiring in the next few years. My guess is 2013 or 2014 at the latest.
kaldaniels
12-08-2010, 04:46 PM
It kind of sounds like Tressel is going to be retiring in the next few years. My guess is 2013 or 2014 at the latest.
I originally wrote "in a few years" but went the conservative route and wrote 5-7 years, lest I be accused of pushing him out the door. Can't ever win on here. :D
Brutus
12-08-2010, 04:54 PM
I originally wrote "in a few years" but went the conservative route and wrote 5-7 years, lest I be accused of pushing him out the door. Can't ever win on here. :D
lol yea there's always someone waiting to pounce on an every word :D
What are the ugly rumors?
Brutus
12-08-2010, 04:58 PM
What are the ugly rumors?
Think sorority types, or at least gender of that age.
SeeinRed
12-08-2010, 05:00 PM
Forget OSU, he needs to come back and coach at his alma mater, UC. :p: Seriously though, I wouldn't be suprised to see him as a commentator for a year or two and then right back onto the sidelines somewhere unless his health is worse than has been reported. From what I've seen, coaches have a hard time staying away from the sideline. You always hear how they want to spend time with their families, but football always seems to creep back in.
Sea Ray
12-08-2010, 05:20 PM
Forget OSU, he needs to come back and coach at his alma mater, UC. :p: Seriously though, I wouldn't be suprised to see him as a commentator for a year or two and then right back onto the sidelines somewhere unless his health is worse than has been reported. From what I've seen, coaches have a hard time staying away from the sideline. You always hear how they want to spend time with their families, but football always seems to creep back in.
I don't know that he'd make a very good commentator. He doesn't seem to ooze with personality
Razor Shines
12-08-2010, 05:35 PM
I don't buy this 'want to spend time with my family' stuff or 'he's just not into it'. I think its all a front for what's really going on. And when IU announces him as their next head football coach before next year I will be proven right.
Brutus
12-08-2010, 05:40 PM
I don't buy this 'want to spend time with my family' stuff or 'he's just not into it'. I think its all a front for what's really going on. And when IU announces him as their next head football coach before next year I will be proven right.
:D
Maybe Urban knows Tressel is retiring after 2011 and figured he'd take a year off and then could jump to Ohio State without having to leave Florida. I jest, of course.
BuckeyeRed27
12-08-2010, 06:10 PM
Who knows if he really wants to spend time with his family or if there is something darker going on. Personally I don't want to find out if it is the latter. However I would doubt this is the last we see/hear from Urban Meyer. He is only 46 an even if he took a 5-7 years off while his kids got through high school and went to college he'll still be relatively young and could give a top program a decade or more of service.
Reds4Life
12-08-2010, 07:09 PM
I wouldn't be suprised in the least if he's the head coach of Florida for game 1 next season. He's pulled this little stunt before, Meyer is getting to be a drama queen.
Brutus
12-08-2010, 07:11 PM
I wouldn't be suprised in the least if he's the head coach of Florida for game 1 next season. He's pulled this little stunt before, Meyer is getting to be a drama queen.
Or he's getting to be a guy facing legitimate health issues and is having a hard time reconciling health against his passion.
I imagine somewhere in life you've faced that issue too, right? Or at least, a similar challenge? The difference here is that we don't live in the public persona, so our predicament doesn't have to play out in the media's eye.
Reds4Life
12-08-2010, 07:24 PM
Or he's getting to be a guy facing legitimate health issues and is having a hard time reconciling health against his passion.
I imagine somewhere in life you've faced that issue too, right? Or at least, a similar challenge? The difference here is that we don't live in the public persona, so our predicament doesn't have to play out in the media's eye.
I don't see it as being that difficult if he has major health issues. Meyer is rich, he has more than enough money to last him for the rest of his life, and his kids lives. If there is/was a serious medical issue, and the coaching life style could lead to major problems or death, it's not a hard choice.
He isn't poor, he doesn't need the money, and he's already won a couple national titles. What is left to prove? Perhaps it's just me, but if it's a medical decision, the choice is an easy one. I would have believed it was medical related if he stayed "retired" for more than 24 hours the last time he announced it. Now that we are on round #2 of this, color me skeptical.
Brutus
12-08-2010, 07:29 PM
I don't see it as being that difficult if he has major health issues. Meyer is rich, he has more than enough money to last him for the rest of his life, and his kids lives. If there is/was a serious medical issue, and the coaching life style could lead to major problems or death, it's not a hard choice.
He isn't poor, he doesn't need the money, and he's already won a couple national titles. What is left to prove? Perhaps it's just me, but if it's a medical decision, the choice is an easy one. I would have believed it was medical related if he stayed "retired" for more than 24 hours the last time he announced it. Now that we are on round #2 of this, color me skeptical.
What does money have to do with it? Coaching is a passion for these guys. Trust me, they're putting in 16 and 17-hour days. They're not doing it for the money, and if they are, they wouldn't last long anyhow.
He's having a hard time getting away from it because he loves coaching. It's a passion. Money is irrelevant. He's not having a hard time walking away because of money.
paintmered
12-08-2010, 07:38 PM
Time to put Louisville on suicide watch...
Reds4Life
12-08-2010, 07:43 PM
What does money have to do with it? Coaching is a passion for these guys. Trust me, they're putting in 16 and 17-hour days. They're not doing it for the money, and if they are, they wouldn't last long anyhow.
He's having a hard time getting away from it because he loves coaching. It's a passion. Money is irrelevant. He's not having a hard time walking away because of money.
It's relevant because he doesn't need to work, he can afford not to.
Reds4Life
12-08-2010, 07:44 PM
Time to put Louisville on suicide watch...
I know, I need to cruise over to a Ville forum and watch the meltdown. :D
Brutus
12-08-2010, 07:49 PM
It's relevant because he doesn't need to work, he can afford not to.
Again, let me ask you, have you ever been able to easily walk away from something you enjoy--even if it were a hobby--just because you could "afford to?"
I really can't buy that argument. This has nothing to do with money. Again, he's having a hard time walking away because he loves coaching. It's not about whether has the money to do it or not, it's about not wanting to stop coaching. Money has nothing to do with it. It's about maintaining health versus doing something you love. Isn't that a concept that we can all relate to?
dabvu2498
12-08-2010, 07:56 PM
Time to put Louisville on suicide watch...
Starkville, more like.
Reds4Life
12-08-2010, 11:00 PM
Forde slams Meyer in his new ESPN piece.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=5900096
Forde has always been a complete tool. Who the hell is he to question most of what he questions in that hack job? He's the stereotypical hack who wishes he was Urban Meyer but doesn't have the talent. He needs to get over himself.
kaldaniels
12-09-2010, 12:08 AM
Forde has always been a complete tool. Who the hell is he to question most of what he questions in that hack job? He's the stereotypical hack who wishes he was Urban Meyer but doesn't have the talent. He needs to get over himself.
I lost him when he said Texas and UF are the top 2 gigs in NCAA football.
Boston Red
12-09-2010, 12:15 AM
Time to put Louisville on suicide watch...
I like Charlie Strong and would not want him to leave, but I don't think him getting called away would be a tragedy. Assuming Jurich doesn't rehire Steve Kragthorpe, of course.
Brutus
12-09-2010, 02:25 AM
I lost him when he said Texas and UF are the top 2 gigs in NCAA football.
Given resources, fan support, growing population shift to the south, recruiting bases, etc., I actually agree with him.
I would put it as Texas, Florida then Ohio State. I would listen to an argument for Ohio State over Florida because of being the only major school in a football state, but I really have always felt UT and UF are the top two programs as far as sustainability.
I lost him when he said Texas and UF are the top 2 gigs in NCAA football.
Alabama is still the best job in college football (and the worst, if you don't win). Then Florida. Jobs in the next tier... OSU, Southern Cal, Texas, Oklahoma...
BTW: I don't think Strong is a serious candidate for the UF head coaching gig. Mullen seems the clear choice.
Jack Burton
12-09-2010, 01:13 PM
Forde has always been a complete tool. Who the hell is he to question most of what he questions in that hack job? He's the stereotypical hack who wishes he was Urban Meyer but doesn't have the talent. He needs to get over himself.
He's a tool because he questions Meyer's intentions? I thought it was a fair piece.
Heath
12-09-2010, 01:24 PM
If I were Dan Mullen, I'd rather be the guy that replaces the guy who replaces Urban Meyer.
Win at Mississippi State and move on after that. Let a Ron Zook type flub for a while.
Roy Tucker
12-09-2010, 01:30 PM
"family reasons" seems to be a good umbrella.
Health reasons made him slow down last year and question what the hell is he killing himself for. And he looked around and saw his family was moving on without him and he was missing out on it (and once that era of you life is gone, its gone). His doc said "you're not doing yourself any favors by burning the candle at both ends". And then he looked at his bank account and saw he had enough money to last a few lifetimes.
He struggled and tried to reconcile all this and what popped out the end of the equation was "quit, you dummy".
He's a man trying to live his life like all the rest of us.
IslandRed
12-09-2010, 06:45 PM
"family reasons" seems to be a good umbrella.
Health reasons made him slow down last year and question what the hell is he killing himself for. And he looked around and saw his family was moving on without him and he was missing out on it (and once that era of you life is gone, its gone). His doc said "you're not doing yourself any favors by burning the candle at both ends". And then he looked at his bank account and saw he had enough money to last a few lifetimes.
He struggled and tried to reconcile all this and what popped out the end of the equation was "quit, you dummy".
He's a man trying to live his life like all the rest of us.
Pretty much all of that applied last time around, too. But then he had that emotional "what have I done?" reflex the next day when he went back out to practice. I guess he eventually realized he was right the first time.
WVRed
12-09-2010, 09:51 PM
"family reasons" seems to be a good umbrella.
Health reasons made him slow down last year and question what the hell is he killing himself for. And he looked around and saw his family was moving on without him and he was missing out on it (and once that era of you life is gone, its gone). His doc said "you're not doing yourself any favors by burning the candle at both ends". And then he looked at his bank account and saw he had enough money to last a few lifetimes.
He struggled and tried to reconcile all this and what popped out the end of the equation was "quit, you dummy".
He's a man trying to live his life like all the rest of us.
I want to say that Meyer will end up a candidate for the Denver Broncos at seasons end, but with the whole McDaniels mess and letting a popular coach go before that, Pat Bowlen will have to make a home run hire to keep the Broncos from falling even further.
I'm with WMR, I don't see Strong being a top candidate. I think it will be Mullen, which will be a mistake that Florida will be rectifying in three more years. I'd make an offer to Chris Peterson though, since it worked before with Urban Meyer, a similar result may happen with Peterson.
Roy Tucker
12-10-2010, 12:09 AM
If Meyer takes a coaching job in the next 6-12 months, then everything I said flies out the window and I'll consider him an amoral slimeball like all the rest. I just hope he goes the Bill Cowher route and spends time with his family.
Sea Ray
12-10-2010, 10:30 AM
I want to say that Meyer will end up a candidate for the Denver Broncos at seasons end, but with the whole McDaniels mess and letting a popular coach go before that, Pat Bowlen will have to make a home run hire to keep the Broncos from falling even further.
I'm with WMR, I don't see Strong being a top candidate. I think it will be Mullen, which will be a mistake that Florida will be rectifying in three more years. I'd make an offer to Chris Peterson though, since it worked before with Urban Meyer, a similar result may happen with Peterson.
I don't think he'll be a candidate for any head coaching job next year. I take him at his word that he needs a break. Why don't you believe him?
WVRed
12-10-2010, 10:34 AM
I don't think he'll be a candidate for any head coaching job next year. I take him at his word that he needs a break. Why don't you believe him?
Nothing would surprise me. When you see so many coaches do 180's its not even funny you really don't know what to expect.
I see Urban returning to coaching. Maybe not next year, but sometime down the road. Same with Bill Cowher, and it could be as early as this year. I'm predicting he ends up in Carolina.
Sea Ray
12-10-2010, 10:47 AM
Nothing would surprise me. When you see so many coaches do 180's its not even funny you really don't know what to expect.
I see Urban returning to coaching. Maybe not next year, but sometime down the road. Same with Bill Cowher, and it could be as early as this year. I'm predicting he ends up in Carolina.
I see him returning to coaching too but not next year. If he gets hired by the Broncos he'd be on the job a month from now. He shows all the signs of being burned out ala Dick Vermeil after his Eagles gig. I take him at his word that he needs to get away from coaching for awhile. I don't see him getting hired to coach anyone other than his kid's teams in 2011
Chip R
12-10-2010, 02:58 PM
He probably won't coach next year or possibly even the year after but he'll be back. He's 46, what is he going to do with the rest of his life, play golf? Even the aforementioned Vermeil came back to coaching with pretty good results. When he gets his batteries recharged, someone's going to throw a ton of money at him to run their show. It's not an indictment of him. I think he honestly is burned out now. 2-3 years from now might be a different story.
bucksfan2
12-11-2010, 12:35 PM
I have never been a big Urban Meyer fan. I have alwyas felt he was a "drama queen" crying and whining to get in the BCS Title game agaisnt OSU, retiring and then unretiring in the matter of 24 hours, and then a year later retiring again.
I am not a person to admire football coaches. There are a few than I really do admire, one being Jim Tressel. Obviously it has a lot to do with his record on the field, but also the way he handles himself on and off the field. From my perspective he is just a class individual and one that should be looked up to. Now back to Meyer. At UF he ran a very successful, albiet rogue program. Tebow hid a lot of the internal player personal problems that Meyer had. One of the more disturbing was allowing a player to play who had been arrested for texting his girlfriend "time to die".
If Meyer really means it and stays retired for a number of years as his children grow up then good for his family. He is one of the few people in America who have the financial ability to do so. There are millions of people throughout this country who would love to do what Meyer is doing. There are people who work 40-50 hours a week, with health aliments, in order to provide for their family. Urban is lucky, does that make him a good man? I don't know.
How as Florida a "rogue" program?
Having said that, I have a feeling something is going on with Meyer that we don't know about.
I tend to think he doesn't take disappointment well.
That makes an incredibly hard 24/7/365 job just that much harder.
I don't know how these guys have families or any relationships at all. When you've got a great family and a great job and lots of money (so you don't need the job any more) but not enough time to do all of them well, it wears on you and robs the joy in both.
I have never been a big Urban Meyer fan. I have alwyas felt he was a "drama queen" crying and whining to get in the BCS Title game agaisnt OSU, retiring and then unretiring in the matter of 24 hours, and then a year later retiring again.
I am not a person to admire football coaches. There are a few than I really do admire, one being Jim Tressel. Obviously it has a lot to do with his record on the field, but also the way he handles himself on and off the field. From my perspective he is just a class individual and one that should be looked up to. Now back to Meyer. At UF he ran a very successful, albiet rogue program. Tebow hid a lot of the internal player personal problems that Meyer had. One of the more disturbing was allowing a player to play who had been arrested for texting his girlfriend "time to die".
If Meyer really means it and stays retired for a number of years as his children grow up then good for his family. He is one of the few people in America who have the financial ability to do so. There are millions of people throughout this country who would love to do what Meyer is doing. There are people who work 40-50 hours a week, with health aliments, in order to provide for their family. Urban is lucky, does that make him a good man? I don't know.
Someone is still mad about the national championship game it appears. :eek:
I tend to think he doesn't take disappointment well.
That's quite a supposition. :evil:
Will Muschamp? Really?
Who had him as the new coach?
WVRed
12-12-2010, 12:06 AM
Will Muschamp? Really?
Who had him as the new coach?
I read that and thought "When did Florida hire him away from Texas to be defensive coordinator?" Then I saw head coach and really scratched my head.
I'm guessing for Muschamp to finally leave Texas he must have realized that Mack Brown is ultimately going to fall given the pressure in Texas and the collapse this season and decided to jump ship. How many coaching jobs did Muschamp turn down?
Reds4Life
12-12-2010, 12:10 AM
How as Florida a "rogue" program?
During Meyer's tenure, there were tons of off field legal issues. During Urban's tenure there were 30 arrests. You read that right, 30. That is 6 arrests a year, some for fairly serious crimes.
Revering4Blue
12-12-2010, 11:57 AM
Sources: Muschamp annoyed with Mack Brown.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/254290
Sources: Health risks forced Meyer to step down.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/254330
IslandRed
12-12-2010, 12:02 PM
I'm guessing for Muschamp to finally leave Texas he must have realized that Mack Brown is ultimately going to fall given the pressure in Texas and the collapse this season and decided to jump ship. How many coaching jobs did Muschamp turn down?
Muschamp was already designated as Brown's successor at Texas, though. No reason to leave Texas, unless a job just as good came along and he could have it sooner rather than later.
bucksfan2
12-12-2010, 12:14 PM
During Meyer's tenure, there were tons of off field legal issues. During Urban's tenure there were 30 arrests. You read that right, 30. That is 6 arrests a year, some for fairly serious crimes.
I knew he was something pretty outstanding just didn't know the figures. The National Media was so fixated on Tim Tebow that all of UF issues got swept under the rug. During Meyer's time at UF he made the Bengals look like chior boys.
As for the comment about being upset about the Florida whooping on OSU. I got over that a long time ago. I just remember Meyer almost in tears lobbing for the other BCS bid.
kaldaniels
12-12-2010, 12:29 PM
I tend to think he doesn't take disappointment well.
That makes an incredibly hard 24/7/365 job just that much harder.
I don't know how these guys have families or any relationships at all. When you've got a great family and a great job and lots of money (so you don't need the job any more) but not enough time to do all of them well, it wears on you and robs the joy in both.
Or you could have a severe cardiovascular risk. I don't fault him for not discussing it, but one could sense there was an underlying issue not mentioned.
Reds4Life
12-12-2010, 04:36 PM
I knew he was something pretty outstanding just didn't know the figures. The National Media was so fixated on Tim Tebow that all of UF issues got swept under the rug. During Meyer's time at UF he made the Bengals look like chior boys.
As for the comment about being upset about the Florida whooping on OSU. I got over that a long time ago. I just remember Meyer almost in tears lobbing for the other BCS bid.
The national media overlooked a lot of things at Florida during Meyer's tenure. The double standard is amazing. Look at how many other programs have, or had, the wrap of being "dirty", or were slammed for off the field/court issues. UC, for one, UK (not that I'm a UK supporter :p: ) and many others. Yet Florida has had 30 arrests involving football players in the last 5 years, and the media was ready to nominate Meyer for sainthood. Unreal.
dabvu2498
12-12-2010, 04:41 PM
During Meyer's tenure, there were tons of off field legal issues. During Urban's tenure there were 30 arrests. You read that right, 30. That is 6 arrests a year, some for fairly serious crimes.
Here are the particulars:
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-09-17/sports/os-florida-gators-arrests-list-20100915_1_frankie-hammond-second-degree-misdemeanor-charge-misdemeanor-possession
Rather ugly.
As to Muschamp, kinda suspect of him leaving Texas, but it makes me even more suspect of Mack Brown.
But if you want a little giggle search Youtube for "Will Muschamp cussing." :D
That will be my lasting thought of Mr. Muschamp.
WVRed
12-12-2010, 11:43 PM
Muschamp was already designated as Brown's successor at Texas, though. No reason to leave Texas, unless a job just as good came along and he could have it sooner rather than later.
I understand Muschamp was the "coach in waiting", but Texas took a major step backward this year and a lot of heat could be applied to Mack Brown for that. If Texas continues into a downward spiral, Mack Brown and his entire coaching staff (Muschamp included) could have been on the way out.
To me its more of a "get out now" type of deal for Muschamp. He knows that something is wrong in Austin and decided to jump ship. He was courted by Tennessee last season and turned it down. That should say something.
IslandRed
12-13-2010, 12:48 AM
I understand Muschamp was the "coach in waiting", but Texas took a major step backward this year and a lot of heat could be applied to Mack Brown for that. If Texas continues into a downward spiral, Mack Brown and his entire coaching staff (Muschamp included) could have been on the way out.
To me its more of a "get out now" type of deal for Muschamp. He knows that something is wrong in Austin and decided to jump ship. He was courted by Tennessee last season and turned it down. That should say something.
If Mack Brown is in trouble, that was incentive for Muschamp to stay, not leave. As I remember it, Muschamp's contract was the typical head-coach-in-waiting deal: (1) You will be the successor when the head coach's job comes open for whatever reason. (2) If we decide not to give you the job when it comes open, you will receive a trainload of cash.
I'm sure there were caveats for exceptional circumstances, but the whole point of those deals is to encourage the HCIW to stick around until it's time. If Texas could clean house without giving Muschamp the job or the money, then the HCIW deal wouldn't have been worth the paper it was written on.
And anyway, not taking the Tennessee job last year was just good sense for any coach who felt secure in his profession. It's been a good job and it will be a good job again (although Florida is still better in absolute terms due to recruiting base etc.), but the Vols were such a mess after Kiffin left, the rebuilding couldn't even get started until the crime-scene cleanup was finished.
KronoRed
12-13-2010, 03:10 AM
This is a terrible hire, he'll get a well deserved ax in 2 years.
The Gator-haters should be toasting this one, I bet he can even lose to Kentucky :help: ;)
Chip R
12-13-2010, 10:05 AM
I understand Muschamp was the "coach in waiting", but Texas took a major step backward this year and a lot of heat could be applied to Mack Brown for that. If Texas continues into a downward spiral, Mack Brown and his entire coaching staff (Muschamp included) could have been on the way out.
To me its more of a "get out now" type of deal for Muschamp. He knows that something is wrong in Austin and decided to jump ship. He was courted by Tennessee last season and turned it down. That should say something.
That could be true. However, I believe that he doesn't think Mack is going anywhere any time soon. A lot of these guys you have to get out of their head coaching gig with a forklift.
cumberlandreds
12-13-2010, 10:10 AM
My initial thought was How is the Gator faithful going to react to a defensive coordinator getting the HC job? He may turn out to be a great HC but I think this may be a big miss for Florida like the Ron Zook hiring was a few years ago.
WVRed
12-13-2010, 10:50 AM
This is a terrible hire, he'll get a well deserved ax in 2 years.
The Gator-haters should be toasting this one, I bet he can even lose to Kentucky :help: ;)
It didn't happen under Ron Zook, so id venture to say that record is safe until the talent level in Gainesville takes a significant hit.
Some Kentucky fans are blaming Florida for hiring Muschamp to keep UK from hiring Randy Shannon as defensive coordinator. Shannon was on his way until the Muschamp hire and then backed out and is supposedly heading to Texas.
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