4-21-10 Reds vs Dodgers

[_Sir_Charles_]

Lineup per Fay...the typo's are HIS. :O)



Chris Dickerson cf
Orlando Cabrera ss
Joey Votto 1b
Brandon Phillips 2b
Scott Rolen 3b
Jay Bruce rf
Jonny Gomes lf
Roman Hernandez c
Aaron Harang p


Drew Stubbs is in a bad way at the plate. He’s 0-for-his-last-18 with nine strikeouts.

[Tom Servo]

http://www.schwabe.com/showattorney.aspx?Show=9357


Not sure that this guy's the best guy to start.

[KoryMac5]

I like Bruce in the six hole right now, takes a bit of pressure off of him.

[TheNext44]

http://www.schwabe.com/showattorney.aspx?Show=9357


Not sure that this guy's the best guy to start.

He's a defense attorney, so he should be good behind the plate. :)

[Screwball]

Votto with another 2-run shot to give the Reds the lead!

Where the heck is everyone tonight?

[Screwball]

Rolen gets in on the fun too! His HR makes it 3-1 Reds.

[TheNext44]

Rolen goes deep as well.

3-1 Reds

My advice to the Reds:

Hire the best back specialist in the world!

[Screwball]

Harang's missing his spots terribly.

[Tom Servo]

Rolen gets in on the fun too! His HR makes it 3-1 Reds.
Late, but

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GflexlvVvDE

[CTA513]

Tie game after Harang continues to get behind on nearly every batter.

[Tom Servo]

Tie game. Blergh.

[kaldaniels]

Welsh: "Drop an Uncle Charlie on him"

Paul Keels: "Whats an Uncle Charlie for those who don't know?"

Welsh: "The Hook"

I just found that funny. Well at least those who knew what the Hook is but not an Uncle Charlie are now educated on the matter.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Wouldn't it be nice to have an ace that could get spotted 3 runs and it's game over?

[Screwball]

I don't see how Harang will exit this game giving up less than 6 runs.

[Screwball]

Well at least those who knew what the Hook is but not an Uncle Charlie are now educated on the matter.

:laugh:

I chuckled as well.

[BCubb2003]

11 runs won't be enough to win this one.

[CTA513]

I don't see how Harang will exit this game giving up less than 6 runs.

I'm surprised he hasn't given up more yet with the way he continues to miss over the plate.

It also doesn't help that his breaking stuff continues to hang up high in the zone.

[Screwball]

Gomes doesn't waste any time making an out. At least Stubbs would've seen 5 pitches before making his out.

[Degenerate39]

That was a fast inning

[Scrap Irony]

Harang is so frustrating to watch right now. He's no better than a fifth starter at this point. If Maloney pitches well in his next start, why not move Harang to set-up man, slide Masset to middle relief, and send Ondrusek to AAA? It wouldn't cost anything, as Harang is a sunk cost at this point anyway and he may find new life (in both his fastball and his career).

It's not like it could hurt.

(If he contues to struggle, I'd look at moving Bailey in the same manner in either late May or June, as Chapman gets more relaxed in professional baseball.) Now, though, Bailey gets more rope, as he's more likely to be a TOR starter, has better stuff, and a smaller contract.

[Screwball]

Is Harang even a 5th starter?

[CTA513]

I can't wait for him to be gone.

[oneupper]

Harang is making what? 12 Mil? He's going to get AT LEAST 10 starts and he'll have to be awful before they even THINK of doing something.

[TheNext44]

Well the Cubs moved Zambrano to the setup role today...

[TheNext44]

I hope Pete has the over tonight.

[oneupper]

Well the Cubs moved Zambrano to the setup role today...

For better or worse, we ain't the Cubs.

[CTA513]

Well the Cubs moved Zambrano to the setup role today...

I'm not sure I want to see Harang try to hold a lead late in the game with the way hes pitched the last 3 or so years.

[TheNext44]

For better or worse, we ain't the Cubs.

And I thanks God for that every night before I go to bed.

[TheNext44]

Wait, Harang's FIP and xFIP says he's going to be good this year...

[oneupper]

Only one there for LA. It's getting better.

Who's the announcer with Chris? Nice voice. But he said that the Dodgers scratched across that last run. "Smashed" would have been more appropriate.

[Homer Bailey]

Don't forget how worth it was though to pitch him in that extra innings game in San Diego. That one game out of 162 was HUGE.

[Screwball]

Only one there for LA. It's getting better.

Who's the announcer with Chris? Nice voice. But he said that the Dodgers scratched across that last run. "Smashed" would have been more appropriate.

Paul Keels. Smooth voice and there's nothing insanely annoying about him like there was Grande, but man, he just bores me to tears.

[Screwball]

Reds settling back in. Another 1-2-3 in the 3rd.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Coming late to the party. How's Harang look? I see the results, but is he missing spots? How's the slider breaking? Velocity?

[CTA513]

Coming late to the party. How's Harang look? I see the results, but is he missing spots? How's the slider breaking? Velocity?

Velocity is fine when he wants to throw hard, but he continues to miss over the plate and his other pitches continue to hang up in the zone or miss the zone completely.

[VR]

Coming late to the party. How's Harang look? I see the results, but is he missing spots? How's the slider breaking? Velocity?

The opposite of sharp, good, or in control.

[_Sir_Charles_]

*sigh* Thanks guys.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Well, THAT inning was nice. Maybe I'm the good luck charm for the night. :O)

[VR]

Nice patient at bat for Rolen, gets on w/ a single up the middle.

Bruce promptly swings at two balls in the dirt to get behind 0-2

[VR]

Scott Rolen knows how to play the game.

[Screwball]

Jay smokes another one. Rolen running like he's still a Cardinal, slides into 3rd. Good stuff.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nice patient at bat for Rolen, gets on w/ a single up the middle.

Bruce promptly swings at two balls in the dirt to get behind 0-2

Gameday's showing both of those as being in the zone, for what it's worth.

Rocketshot by Bruce to third...eats him alive. E?


~edit~ Hmmm...gameday just adjusted the zone and now they're both showing as low.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Yep, called an error. But however, 1st & 3rd for Gomes

[Screwball]

Gomes has no business starting against a righty.

[Screwball]

Gameday's showing both of those as being in the zone, for what it's worth.


Which Gameday you looking at?? MLB.com's Gameday has both those well below the strike zone, dipping even lower into the dirt.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Which Gameday you looking at?? MLB Gameday has both those well below the strike zone, dipping even lower into the dirt.

Yeah, I know. I just relooked at it and the strikezone box is now higher. Strange.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Lets go ROMAN! :O) Alright...works a walk.

[VR]

Yep, called an error. But however, 1st & 3rd for Gomes

Went through Dewitt's legs at 2nd....error every time on the "ole"!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Based loaded for Aaron. Sure would be a great time for a seeing eye single. :O)

He's always been horrible at the dish, but last year seemed to show a marked improvement in his hitting.

OH MY GOD!!! Single!

What?!? Crap, now they're saying he caught it.

[Tom Servo]

Might have considered putting Owings in here.

[VR]

At least piled on the pitch count of Kuroda a bit. Small victories.

What a friggin rip off.

[paintmered]

Horrible call costs the Reds two runs and an out. :thumbdown

[edabbs44]

Harang makes Bruce look like a leprechaun.

[oneupper]

Terrible call.

[Screwball]

That ball bounced. Replay confirms. Reds are getting jobbed.

[flyer85]

i'll never understand how they miss an obvious call like that

[_Sir_Charles_]

Come on....reverse it!

[_Sir_Charles_]

YES! 1 run scores...bruce back to third.

[oneupper]

Umps were conferencing. Is that reviewable?

[paintmered]

The umps reversed it!

[redsmetz]

Overruled, but they only let us have one run.

[Screwball]

Oh snap, umps overturn the call!

[edabbs44]

How on earth do they overrule that?

[VR]

I have never seen that before. Ever.

[redsmetz]

Umps were conferencing. Is that reviewable?

It's not reviewable on film, but, as always, umpires are able to discuss and reach a different conclusion.

[flyer85]

never seen a call like that overturned ... although they got it right

[redsmetz]

Now will Gameday get back on track? Now they're back on track.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Well, I know 2 runs would've been great...but 1's better than none. I'll take it.

[VR]

CDick needs to jack one right here.

[mdccclxix]

Instant replay?

[NJReds]

I'm not watching because the game isn't on here. But I've seen calls overruled if the ump asks for help from another ump who might have had a better view.

[redsmetz]

never seen a call like that overturned ... although they got it right

I've seen it happen occasionally, although I don't recall the specifics.

[VR]

Now will Gameday get back on track? Now they're back on track.

it usually takes 30 minutes....it's shooting out sparks right now

"Can not compute, Can not compute"

[paintmered]

I'm not watching because the game isn't on here. But I've seen calls overruled if the ump asks for help from another ump who might have had a better view.

That's what happened.

[CTA513]

Still got screwed on the call as the Reds only get 1 run when 2 would have scored.

[_Sir_Charles_]

it usually takes 30 minutes....it's shooting out sparks right now

"Can not compute, Can not compute"

Working fine for me. I was actually surprised how quickly it changed.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Dickerson K's to end the inning. Way to help yourself out there Aaron. Nicely done.

[Screwball]

Dickerson's making his case to be a bench player.

[_Sir_Charles_]

All 4 of those balls were VERY close. Crud.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Warning track pop out to Dickerson. Furcal hustles back to first.

[reds44]

Harang is beyond terrible.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Line drive off Phillips' glove into right. 1st & 3rd.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bloop single to right. 5-4 Dodgers.

[oneupper]

Manny drops one into right. 5-4 LA.

[CTA513]

Harang pitching for another loss.

[Screwball]

Manny's an insanely good hitter.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Loney pops out to Rolen. 2 down.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Manny's an insanely good hitter.

Yep, kinda hard to fault Aaron on that hit. Up and in on the fists...still knocks in the run. Not a HoF'er? LOL.

[KoryMac5]

Reds pitchers must have had a contest to see who can get to 100 pitches the fastest in a game this season.

[VR]

Reds pitchers must have had a contest to see who can get to 100 pitches the fastest in a game this season.

or give up 5 runs

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ground out to Cabrera to end the inning. 5-4 Dodgers heading to the bottom of the 5th.

Harang at 103 pitches.

[TheNext44]

Yep, kinda hard to fault Aaron on that hit. Up and in on the fists...still knocks in the run. Not a HoF'er? LOL.

Yeah, the Dodgers are a monster at the plate, hard to keep them from scoring. But Harang shouldn't have had Manny up with a chance to do damage. That was his big mistake.

[mbgrayson]

After pitching 5 innings, Harang has now thrown 103 pitches, 63 for strikes.

[VR]

Harang is pitching poorly.

But strikes 1 and 2 to Cabrera were called balls for Harang many times so far.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Yeah, the Dodgers are a monster at the plate, hard to keep them from scoring. But Harang shouldn't have had Manny up with a chance to do damage. That was his big mistake.

Hard to argue that, but from what I'm seeing on gameday...the strikezone is VERY tight. All 4 of the balls thrown to Furcal that inning could've been strikes in another game.

[reds44]

Votto is an insanely good hitter.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Votto with a scorcher up the middle. Nice to see him looking more like himself. :O)

[Screwball]

Joe Morgan: "I think Brandon needs more consistency."

Any reader of FJM just lol'ed. :)

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nobody warming up in the Reds pen? He's scuffled and he's at 103 pitches....bring him back out, questionable...okay, but not having anybody warming up?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Phillips with a single to right. Votto to third.

Wait? Votto called out at third. Crud.

[VR]

Perfect throw gets him.

[TheNext44]

Another bad call from the ump. Even the LA TV crew thought he was safe. That's possibly two runs they cost us now.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Rolen flies out to Kemp to end the inning.

[reds44]

Another bad call from the ump. Even the LA TV crew thought he was safe. That's possibly two runs they cost us now.
X mo showed he was out.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Another bad call from the ump. Even the LA TV crew thought he was safe. That's possibly two runs they cost us now.

Marty & Thom said the replay showed him out...but REAAAAAALLY close.

[TheNext44]

Ump was in a bad position. Probably the hardest thing for an ump to do is to always be in the right position. Votto looked out from where the ump was standing, he was just standing in the wrong spot.

[TheNext44]

X mo showed he was out.

Funny, x-mo on the LA channel clearly showed he was safe. Showed that the tag was too high on the leg.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Morgan in the booth

[TheNext44]

Janish gets that.

[reds44]

Funny, x-mo on the LA channel clearly showed he was safe. Showed that the tag was too high on the leg.
It was, but his foot still wasn't on the bag.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Harang getting squeezed again with Martin. Slow grounder to Cabrera....IF hit. I'd REALLY like to see Janish play more.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Sac bunt to Votto.

[CTA513]

Extra out costs the Reds

[_Sir_Charles_]

*sigh* Single to gomes...send it home via air-mail. 6-4

[reds44]

Why is Harang still in?

[flyer85]

gomes is flat awful in lf, no way around it

[TheNext44]

It was, but his foot still wasn't on the bag.

You watching the LA feed? Their freeze frame shows the foot on the bag, the glove not touching his leg. It looks like it's touching his leg from the umps position, not the camera's.

[mdccclxix]

Dark days for Aaron Harang.

[Screwball]

Gomes has got a great arm. An accurate cannon that has the opposition scared to run on him. I bet he could double as a pitcher in a pinch.

[/sarcasm]

[_Sir_Charles_]

Harang leaving to boos? No. That's just wrong. Shame on you Cincy. Yes, the guy's struggling...but he's a class act and he's been a great pitcher for this club. No excuse for that.

[flyer85]

with a real SS it would have been a 1-2-3 inning. Guess this inning highlights why defense is important.

[Kc61]

Weren't the Reds building with pitching and defense?

[flyer85]

Gomes has got a great arm. An accurate cannon that has the opposition scared to run on him. I bet he could double as a pitcher in a pinch.

[/sarcasm]it was a nice pop fly to Harang :D

[_Sir_Charles_]

Owings in

[TheNext44]

Weren't the Reds building with pitching and defense?

Remove Harang and Gomes, and they still are.

[VR]

gomes is flat awful in lf, no way around it

Gomes fields the ball in shallow left, two steps before Martin gets to third base...and can't come within a mile of a play. Just disturbing that he's out there while Nix sits against a righty.

[flyer85]

Remove Harang and Gomes, and they still are.you forgot the SS

[TheNext44]

Right now, I'm rooting for the Reds to go the whole season without a starter getting a win. That would be awesome!

[TheNext44]

you forgot the SS

Thanks for reminding me. :(

[mdccclxix]

.332 .392 .571 .963

Furcal lifetime vs. Reds

arrrrhhhh

[Screwball]

Holy Moses, the ump's been calling that a strike all night.

[CTA513]

Remove Harang and Gomes, and they still are.

Leake is the only one who hasn't been rocked this season and that could change pretty quickly if he doesn't cut down on the walks.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Micah fell asleep and let Furcal walk to third.

Walk. Should've been a K imo.

[mdccclxix]

Harang isn't beating anyone. Opponents beat themselves most ab's.

[flyer85]

give than man s jar of mustard

[TheNext44]

Janish gets that too.

[oneupper]

The Phillips Flip is Fail.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ground ball to Phillips, flips to Cabera...drops it. 7-4

[reds44]

Cabrera should have caught that.

[VR]

wow, just.....wow.

[TheNext44]

Manny's been on base all 7 times this series. That's how you make up for bad defense.

[flyer85]

BTW Chris, the foxtrax is a piece of ______

[_Sir_Charles_]

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I love listening to Little Joe. Love it.

pitching change
Herrera

[CTA513]

The long man goes 0 innings

[Playadlc]

Cabrera should have caught that.

Really?

[_Sir_Charles_]

this strike zone is ALL over the place

[VR]

Leake is the only one who hasn't been rocked this season and that could change pretty quickly if he doesn't cut down on the walks.

Bryan Price can't be sleeping well these days.

I can't imagine too many scenarios where the pitching could have been worse to this point.

Adios amigos, time to go jump on the mower.

[Playadlc]

This team can't get anyone out.

[Screwball]

Well, this game's over. Shoulda been out of the inning several batters ago.

[_Sir_Charles_]

9-4

[Playadlc]

Bryan Price can't be sleeping well these days.

I can't imagine too many scenarios where the pitching could have been worse to this point.

Adios amigos, time to go jump on the mower.

When should we start holding him accountable for this mess?

[TheNext44]

Bryan Price can't be sleeping well these days.

I can't imagine too many scenarios where the pitching could have been worse to this point.

Adios amigos, time to go jump on the mower.

The Reds could be the Dodgers or Red Sox. Their pitching has been worse so far.

[Screwball]

Gomes hasn't seen a first pitch he hasn't liked.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

I don't see how Harang will exit this game giving up less than 6 runs.

That wasn't too tough to peg.

I don't see how Harang exits any game giving up less than 6 runs.

[Screwball]

Hernandez had all kinds of pitches down the heart of the plate to crush. The best he could do was foul 'em off or hit a weak pop fly out.

Just name a Dodger hitter and he'd be standing on 2nd right now.

[flyer85]

that Cairo guy will scare 'em

[Screwball]

That wasn't too tough to peg.

I don't see how Harang exits any game giving up less than 6 runs.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. :thumbup:

[Playadlc]

A grand slam would be nice here.

[Screwball]

Stubbs walks the bases full, but I'm still not sure how that 2-2 pitch to him was called a ball instead of strike 3. Ump's been really inconsistent.

[Playadlc]

Nice job, OC.

[Homer Bailey]

Janish couldn't have gotten that.


Only fair to call it both ways.

[kbrake]

Janish couldn't have gotten that.


Only fair to call it both ways.

Not how it rolls here.

[klw]

Janish would have hit a 5 run homer.

[Screwball]

Ondrusek has big league stuff, he just needs a little polish.

EDIT: Ok, a lot of polish.

[Screwball]

nm

[flyer85]

time for Logan to get more seasoning in AAA

[edabbs44]

Logan, you can catch a ride to Louisville with Stubbs and Bruce. The car is leaving right after the game.

[dsmith421]

The Dodgers' offense is amazing right now.

The Reds, unfortunately, are awful. Harang looks like he's toast.

[Screwball]

11 runs won't be enough to win this one.

Good call. This team's pitching so far this season has been embarrassing.

[TheNext44]

Janish couldn't have gotten that.


Only fair to call it both ways.

Guys OPS'ing 1.300. He would have hit a homer there. :D

[mdccclxix]

The Dodgers' offense is amazing right now.

The Reds, unfortunately, are awful. Harang looks like he's toast.

The Dodgers look like they could just keep adding on.

Again, like last year, the Reds will find themselves overwhelmed by more talented teams.

[TheNext44]

time for Logan to get more seasoning in AAA

Logan to AAA, Harang to the pen and Wood up to the bigs?

I usually don't react like this, this early in the season, but Logan clearly needs some time in AAA, and Harang can not keep being allowed to start games.

[thatcoolguy_22]

This is maybe the 3rd game I have got to watch live all season. Sometimes I really hate being a Reds fan. :(

[Screwball]

Travis Wood isn't the answer. Maloney's the closest thing there is to one in AAA, and honestly he wouldn't be the upgrade this team needs.

[Screwball]

Geez, I thought I couldn't wait to see the Reds leave Florida. I really can't wait for the Dodgers to leave town. They repeatedly punish any mistake you make.

[flyer85]

Logan to AAA, Harang to the pen and Wood up to the bigs?

I usually don't react like this, this early in the season, but Logan clearly needs some time in AAA, and Harang can not keep being allowed to start games.i'd give maloney the first crack. wood still needs to work on his command

[Screwball]

Think if the Reds gave the Dodgers their pick of any 5 minor leaguers not named Aroldis Chapman to choose from, they could land Matt Kemp?

[VR]

I believe Gomes takes over the league lead tonight in fewest pitches per ab.

7 pitches in 4 at bats will to that fer ya

[VR]

Think if the Reds gave the Dodgers their pick of any 5 minor leaguers not named Aroldis Chapman to choose from, they could land Matt Kemp?

No, but they could have had him for Aaron Harang in 2008

[KronoRed]

Could be worse
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/Kronosb/1.jpg

[Tom Servo]

Could be worse
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/Kronosb/1.jpg
That picture is never not funny.

[Screwball]

I know as well as anybody that the Dodgers have a good offense, but Good Lord, even Reed Johnson is teeing off on this team.

Bring on the Padres?

[VR]

14-6 now. Makes that missed extra point earlier pretty important

[Screwball]

14-6 now. Makes that missed extra point earlier pretty important

:laugh:

[VR]

Surprised Lincoln (or Hernandez) went away from the curve on Loney, Johnson, and Kemp. He fed the other hitters a steady diet and had them completely off balance.

[dsmith421]

Where's Osvaldo when you need him?

[VR]

Stubbs refusing to cut his swing down with 2 strikes. Wither thou hitting coach.

[Screwball]

Stubbs refusing to cut his swing down with 2 strikes. Wither thou hitting coach.

Asleep, along with the rest of the Reds' fans.

[Ron Madden]

Have I ever mentioned the fact that I Hate the Dodgers?

[Ltlabner]

So I guess this means all those great performances in September and Walt's magic didn't really take.

It's a shame Harrang has lost it as he seems like a genuinely nice person. But this is business.

Someone else said it, but the Dodgers brought something to the field that no amount of hope or internet wishful thinking can overcome: talent.

[TheNext44]

So I guess this means all those great performances in September and Walt's magic didn't really take.

It's a shame Harrang has lost it as he seems like a genuinely nice person. But this is business.

Someone else said it, but the Dodgers brought something to the field that no amount of hope or internet wishful thinking can overcome: talent.

Yankees were 15-17 last season on May 12 and were on pace to give up over 1000 runs. I guess their moves didn't take either. ;)