5-25-10 Pirates at Reds

[_Sir_Charles_]

~per Fay


Heisey 9
Phillips 4
Votto 3
Rolen 5
Gomes 7
Hernandez 2
Stubbs 8
Janish 6
Leake 1

vs. LHP Paul Maholm (3-4, 4.50)

It’s a rare start for Janish and Heisey gets the call over Bruce with a lefty on the mound for the Bucs.

Pirates:
Iwamura 4
Walker 5
McCutchen 8
Jones 3
Church 9
Milledge 7
Doumit 2
Cedeno 6
Maholm 1

That’s former first-rounder Neil Walker at third base for Pittsburgh. Walker was recalled from Triple-A Indianapolis Tuesday after Steve Pearce was placed on the disabled list.

Walker was hitting .321 with six home runs and 26 RBIs while playing first, second and third base, and the outfield.

The 24-year-old Walker was drafted as a catcher out of a suburban Pittsburgh high school in 2004, but was shifted to third base in 2007 and became a utilityman capable of starting at multiple positions this season.

Pearce was injured last night while making a throw.


:clap: Both Bruce & Cabrera get well earned days off. And Leake gets a stellar defensive club behind him (well, minus Jonny).

[Ghosts of 1990]

Wish Bruce wasn't sitting. He hit two home runs the last time he faced Maholm. And granted one was off Dotel... but he has homered in two different games off Maholm.

[Cedric]

It's incredibly hot and humid again today. Not a bad day off for both. Cabrera had one real error and another on the base path yesterday.

[membengal]

Just ducking in to say I love this line-up, I don't mind Bruce getting a rest, and glad that Janish is getting some run with Leake on the mound.

Thumbs up, Dusty.

[reds44]

I actually like the lineup.

We'll get shutout.

[Chip R]

Just ducking in to say I love this line-up, I don't mind Bruce getting a rest, and glad that Janish is getting some run with Leake on the mound.

Thumbs up, Dusty.


Same here.

[Will M]

i too like the lineup.

giving Votto or Bruce an occasional day off vs a lefty is fine.

i like Janish at SS when Leake pitches due to leake's groundball rates.

[Redsfan320]

2010 Fearless Predictions:
Francisco gets appendectomy by mid May.
Chapman stays in AAA until All Star break.
Bruce outproduces Votto!
Reds win 91 games.

I smell a recent signature change!

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[RichRed]

Just ducking in to say I love this line-up, I don't mind Bruce getting a rest, and glad that Janish is getting some run with Leake on the mound.

Thumbs up, Dusty.

Ditto. Nice to see that Dusty remembered Janish is on the roster.

[WVRedsFan]

Trouble is...taking Cabrera out of the lineup and replacing him with Janish means that the offense will be less potent. Yeah, i know everyone's been in love with Paul's hitting this year, but like Hanigan, every player comes back to the norm. I hope it's not tonight. The Bruce sitting is OK since he really struggles against lefties and even though he went long against Maholm, it's a good move. i just hope Leake has good stuff and can allow fewer than 3 runs cause that just about all we'll get tonight.

[BearcatShane]

Trouble is...taking Cabrera out of the lineup and replacing him with Janish means that the offense will be less potent. Yeah, i know everyone's been in love with Paul's hitting this year, but like Hanigan, every player comes back to the norm. I hope it's not tonight. The Bruce sitting is OK since he really struggles against lefties and even though he went long against Maholm, it's a good move. i just hope Leake has good stuff and can allow fewer than 3 runs cause that just about all we'll get tonight.


I don't know, I could see Rolen and Gomes making Maholm's night forgetable. Cabrera has his pretty well but taking him out for a game isn't going to completely kill the offense.

[TheNext44]

MLB network just did a nice piece on Leake. Best part was Gammons saying how well he hits makes him a better, smarter pitcher since he understands it from all angles. Gammons also said he was a real nice guy. He told a story about how Leake helped unload the equipment truck when in Arizona fall league. The host even said that Leake was giving Hayworth a run for his money for ROY.

[Will M]

I smell a recent signature change!

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well my original predictions didn't quite work out so i just 'tweeked' them a teeny bit. :D

[Homer Bailey]

2 down as McCutcheon singles. That guy is awesome.

Fly out to Stubbs to end it.

[reds44]

Jones just missed that.

[Homer Bailey]

2 down as Votto doubles to right center. He is good at baseball.

[reds44]

He is just a beast.

[RichRed]

2 down as Votto doubles to right center. He is good at baseball.

He should really think about doing it for a living.

[TheNext44]

He should really think about doing it for a living.

"My name is Joey Votto. I hit doubles for a living. Pleased to meet you."

[TheNext44]

Wow. Those away jerseys from 1997 were really, really ugly. Must have been designed by Marge.

[reds44]

Wow. Those away jerseys from 1997 were really, really ugly. Must have been designed by Marge.
Welsh said it was designed by, yes, Deion Sanders lol

[TheNext44]

Leake is a very boring pitcher to watch.

[_Sir_Charles_]

MLB network just did a nice piece on Leake. Best part was Gammons saying how well he hits makes him a better, smarter pitcher since he understands it from all angles. Gammons also said he was a real nice guy. He told a story about how Leake helped unload the equipment truck when in Arizona fall league. The host even said that Leake was giving Hayworth a run for his money for ROY.

I agree. Nice to see them give the Reds some love. Question though...how is Jaime Garcia not in that threesome for ROY? I hate the Cards just as much as the next guy, but come on.

Or have I missed something? He IS a rookie this year, right?

[TheNext44]

Welsh said it was designed by, yes, Deion Sanders lol

Well, Marge and Deion did have similar taste. :)

[RedsMan3203]

I agree. Nice to see them give the Reds some love. Question though...how is Jaime Garcia not in that threesome for ROY? I hate the Cards just as much as the next guy, but come on.

Or have I missed something? He IS a rookie this year, right?

He pitched in 2008. Don't know if its enough to knock him out or not.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garcija02.shtml

[Homer Bailey]

Man, Janish has a CANNON.

[_Sir_Charles_]

He pitched in 2008. Don't know if its enough to knock him out or not.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garcija02.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garcija02.shtml)

Yeah, I know. I saw that too. But like you, I've got no clue if it makes him no longer a rookie...he didn't seem to pitch much. Anybody know?

[Caveat Emperor]

Crisp looking defense from Leake. Made that DP look easy.

[reds44]

It seems like Leake has thrown 10 pitches.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I'm still amazed at how pitch efficient Leake is for such a young guy. 27 pitches after 3. Seems like he does this every outing.

[Homer Bailey]

Missed it. How'd Janish get on?

[Homer Bailey]

Let Leake swing it Dusty!

[reds44]

Missed it. How'd Janish get on?
Singled in front of Milledge.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Leake really does handle the bat well. Best I've seen with the Redlegs in a while. (not counting Owings who's more of a hitter who pitches occasionally)

[reds44]

Let Leake swing it Dusty!
Tell me the Gomes story in your sig.

[mth123]

This thread died, so I'll jump in. Janish on 2B with 2 out and Phillips flies outs. Inning over.

[Caveat Emperor]

Phillips just missed one -- had a fat pitch to hit and got it off the end of the bat.

[Homer Bailey]

Tell me the Gomes story in your sig.

From the PM's I've sent to a few people:


My g/f (at the time) and I were waiting by the team bus getting pics and autographs and stuff (we got 5 balls during BP, and were trying to get them signed). All the players went and got on the bus, but we see Gomes exit out of a patron exit (near the Harey Carey statue), and just start walkin with a buddy or two to the Clark Street bars. We walked behind him for a while, and then bumped into him outside of Cubby Bear. I never saw what bar he went into, but he was on the prowl for sure. Just found it funny that he didn't even get on the bus. What a guy.

[_Sir_Charles_]

LOL. Sean Casey showing off his WWF Wrestling knowledge. Hehehe. Man I love MLB Network.

[Gallen5862]

How is the Reds game going? Any PBP or updates are greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[Caveat Emperor]

Leake at 42 pitches as the Pirates go down in the 4th. Still 0-0

[Homer Bailey]

One seeing eye single off Leake's glove that inning. He continues to mow through this lineup. I'm predicting a CG shutout.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Garrett Jones got a single, but Leake sat down all the other Pirates that inning. Still 0-0 after 3 1/2. Leake at 42 pitches.

[Captain Hook]

Full count on Votto.

[reds44]

From the PM's I've sent to a few people:
Awesome. :beerme:

[Captain Hook]

Votto grounds out to 2nd.1 out.

[Homer Bailey]

Anyone else on mlbtv still have "commercial break in progress"?

[reds44]

Anyone else on mlbtv still have "commercial break in progress"?
Yep.

[thatcoolguy_22]

According to ESPN Gamescast, Votto was getting a strikezone similar to MJ getting a call. All 3 balls in the AB were on the black.

[RedsMan3203]

Rolen puts a charge into one... But just a loud fly out to center.

[RedsMan3203]

Ohhhhhhh Johnnny! Double to right center

[Captain Hook]

Gomes doubles with 2 out.More 2 out magic?

[reds44]

Well screw you MLB.TV

[Homer Bailey]

Well screw you MLB.TV

Yeah seriously what the heck?

[Caveat Emperor]

Gomes hit a pitcher's pitch right there and almost put it out of the ballpark. He's really locked in right now.

[reds44]

Yeah seriously what the heck?
Somebody fell asleep at the wheel.

I just flipped over to the Pirates broadcast, same thing.

[Captain Hook]

Razor is one of the guys that have been really good with 2 out.Ahead in the count 3-0.

[RedsMan3203]

Ramon.... Razor.... Slow grounder to 3rd...

0-0 after 4

[thatcoolguy_22]

Somebody fell asleep at the wheel.

I just flipped over to the Pirates broadcast, same thing.

I didn't know LaRussa had a part time gig

[Caveat Emperor]

I didn't know LaRussa had a part time gig

ZING!

[reds44]

Oh awesome, they came back to the ballpark during the commercial.

[reds44]

I didn't know LaRussa had a part time gig
UP TOP!

[RedsMan3203]

Pop up in foul ground, 1 down.

[Gallen5862]

How is Leake Throwing? Is he throwing a mixture of pitches or mainly his fastball?

[RedsMan3203]

Doumit - 5 pitch walk.

[thatcoolguy_22]

Cedeno vs Reds - 7-19 3 HR, 3 BB, 3 K

The birth of Bill Hall

[RedsMan3203]

Cedeno - grounds into a FC at 2nd. Cedeno safe at 1st.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Pretty poor turn there by Phillips IMO. Should've been a DP.

More love for Leake via MLB network

[RedsMan3203]

Pretty poor turn there by Phillips IMO. Should've been a DP.

No way, wasn't even close at 1st.....

[Homer Bailey]

Pretty poor turn there by Phillips IMO. Should've been a DP.

More love for Leake via MLB network

He was not going to turn that one.

[_Sir_Charles_]

It wasn't close because Phillips didn't put ANYTHING on that ball AND he threw it in the dirt. A good STRONG throw...good chance for a DP imo.

[Homer Bailey]

Leake K's Maholm

[RedsMan3203]

Maholm - K's on an inside fastball.

[reds44]

Get some runs.

[thatcoolguy_22]

5.0 IP
4 H
57 pitches

this game is flying by

[Caveat Emperor]

It wasn't close because Phillips didn't put ANYTHING on that ball AND he threw it in the dirt. A good STRONG throw...good chance for a DP imo.

He was taken out by Doumit sliding into his legs. It caused the ball to go straight into the ground.

[RedsMan3203]

Stubbs pops a bunt up to 3rd.

[CrackerJack]

Leake is daring the Reds to score a run against the mighty Pirates

[reds44]

Nice bunt.

[RedsMan3203]

Janish pops up to LF - 2 down

[Caveat Emperor]

Reds making Paul Maholm (he of the 4.34 career ERA) look like Cy Young this evening.

[RedsMan3203]

Leake - singles to LF

[thatcoolguy_22]

Leake is scrappy

[RedsMan3203]

Heisey - grounds out to 1st to end the inning.

0-0 after 5

[Homer Bailey]

Am I the only one that hates Heisey's stance? I can't stand seeing the bat flail around like that before swinging...

[RedsMan3203]

Iwamura - Pops up to Gomes in LF

[RedsMan3203]

Walker - Grounds out to 2nd, 2 down

[mth123]

Welsh talking Pythag

[RedsMan3203]

McCutchen - Singles to LF

[KoryMac5]

Smells like a 1-0 game brewing tonight.

[Homer Bailey]

Seeing eye single to right. 1st and 3rd with 2 down.

[RedsMan3203]

Jones - Singles to Right, McCutchen goes to 3rd.

[Caveat Emperor]

Leake's in a bit of trouble now -- 1st and 3rd w/ 2 out in a game that feels like the first team to score is going to win.

[KoryMac5]

Leake owns Church tonight though.

[thatcoolguy_22]

Jones singled on a pitch low and out of the zone. Good piece of hitting.

[RedsMan3203]

Church - Lines out to Center.

Leake - 6 IP, 6H, 1BB, 2K - 74 pitches

[reds44]

Not a good pitch to Church, but he got away with it.

[thatcoolguy_22]

Leake owns Church tonight though.

you're lucky ;)

[RedsMan3203]

BPhil - grounds out to 2nd base, on the 1st pitch

[VR]

Just catching up with the DVR for this barn burner.

Couple of questions....

1. Gomes...really seems like he's dropped a lot of weight and has renewed wheels. He was moving right along on that double.

2. Phillips....have seen him taking something off the ball all year long. Any word of shoulder or elbow challenges for him?

3. Leake....Never mind, no questions on this cat.

[Caveat Emperor]

No patience at the plate tonight...

[reds44]

Seriously, what the hell are we doing on offense?

[Homer Bailey]

Can we freakin hit Paul Maholm please

[RedsMan3203]

Votto singles to Left.....

[RedsMan3203]

Can we freakin hit Paul Maholm please

Your wish is Votto's command.

[RedsMan3203]

Votto picked off 1st base.

[Caveat Emperor]

That really looked like a balk. I'm with Joey.

[Homer Bailey]

That was a HUGE balk. Jesus.

[reds44]

We are sleepwalking.

[_Sir_Charles_]

How was that NOT a balk?

[RedsMan3203]

Rolen lines out to right....

0-0 after 6 full

[HeatherC1212]

That non balk call was pure crap. :rant:

[Caveat Emperor]

That's honestly the kinda call where Dusty needs to go out and raise a little bit of hell. I watched the replay a few times and I cannot fathom that's a legal pick-off move.

[RedsMan3203]

Milledge - hits a sharp bullet under Rolens diving glove into LF.

[Homer Bailey]

Ramon guns him trying to steal!

[RedsMan3203]

Milledge thrown out at 2nd by Razor... Trying to steal

[Homer Bailey]

Tapper back to leake 2 down

[RedsMan3203]

Doumit - Grounds out to Leake

[Homer Bailey]

Cedeno is seriously unreal. I don't get it.

[TheNext44]

The role of Bill Hall will be played by Ronnie Cedeno this season.

[HeatherC1212]

Cedeno...still a tool.

[Homer Bailey]

Leake K's Maholm. 7 shutout innings for Leakester.

[RedsMan3203]

Middle of 7, 0-0

[mbgrayson]

Mike Leake is through seven innings on 86 pitches.

Still no score.

I like Mike!

[Caveat Emperor]

To: Reds Offense
From: Everyone

Re: SCORE RUNS NOW!

[reds44]

This doesn't even seem like a baseball game right now.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cedeno...still a tool.

hehe. I knew THAT was coming. :D

We've GOT to get the bats going. I'd HATE to see the Reds blow this outing by Leake. He's been fantastic.

[thatcoolguy_22]

I'm calling a Stubbs HR this inning.

[Homer Bailey]

Gomes first pitch foul out. Unreal.

[Caveat Emperor]

At this rate, Maholm is good for 11-12 IP.

[Tom Servo]

another 1st pitch out lol

[_Sir_Charles_]

I'm calling a Stubbs HR this inning.

Actually, Jonny should hit one in celebration of beating the crap out of Jon Rauch. :O)

[reds44]

What are we doing?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ummmm....Ramon bunting? For a HIT?

[Tom Servo]

Razor Ramon doubles

[Caveat Emperor]

What are we doing?

Acting like we're screwed if a career 4.40 ERA / low-strikeout pitcher gets us deep into the count.

[reds44]

lol he tried to bunt?

[reds44]

Oh a double.

[VR]

very nice piece of hitting there by Ramon

[Homer Bailey]

Not even close to a strike on the first pitch to Stubbs. Awful call.

[_Sir_Charles_]

lol he tried to bunt?

Lulling them to sleep. Setting them up for his double to the rf corner. Savvy vet move. *chuckle*

[mbgrayson]

Get that triple you were missing last night Drew....

[RedsMan3203]

Rhodes up in the pen....

[RedsMan3203]

Stubby K's

Janish coming up... Do they walk him? Nope

[VR]

There is no situation here that I would not let Leake hit....unless they are worried about his pitch count for the year.

[Homer Bailey]

There is no situation here that I would not let Leake hit....unless they are worried about his pitch count for the year.

X2

[Redsfan320]

Just turned on the game... in short, Leake's shutting them down, Maholm's shutting us down. Disappointing when the SP has as good a performance as Leake does, but can't get the W due to a total lack of offense.

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[reds44]

I'd walk Janish just to get Leake out of the game.

And I wouldn't pull Leake.

[mbgrayson]

Leake's .389 BA is more than just a fluke at this point. He can actually swing the bat....

[RedsMan3203]

Janish walks... Leake coming to the plate...

Going to need more then a single to get Ramon in thou

[mbgrayson]

Yeah Dusty! I actually agree....

[VR]

Good call Dusty, thank you.

[TheBurn]

Gotta be honest... I dig it.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Good move. He's rolling still and he's not a negative with the stick in his hands.

[TheNext44]

Why is he sending up Leake with Cairo on the bench????

(just kidding)

[RedsMan3203]

Leake PUT THE HAMMER to it....................... FOUL

[membengal]

I fully support Dusty's decision to let Leake hit here.

[VR]

that would have made sportscenter

[TheNext44]

that would have made sportscenter

Only way a Reds Pirates game makes it

[mbgrayson]

After seven innings, no score.

Maholm now up to 89 pitches ....

[RedsMan3203]

Leake pops up to short right center... End of 7... 0-0

[Caveat Emperor]

I kinda like the call -- even though Leake didn't get a run in, you get the top of the order to start the 8th.

Hopefully Baker has someone waiting to take over for Leake if things start to go wrong.

[HeatherC1212]

"This is the game that never ends....we score no runs for the youngin'..." :eek:

[membengal]

given the way Leake handles the stick, I thought it was as good a chance to get a hit there as any.

I hope Dusty has someone warming in case Leake lets a runner on.

[WebScorpion]

They call this a pitcher's duel... :D Something unheard of in Cincinnati.

[RedsMan3203]

Rhodes was up in the pen last inning... I'm sure he is ready to roll.

[reds44]

Wow Stubbs. Wow.

[Caveat Emperor]

Wow. Just. Wow.

[guttle11]

Not a fan of the move, myself. Would rather play for the runs and risk the bullpen.

[membengal]

that is just sickening.

[Tom Servo]

well...


damn.

[Degenerate39]

What the hell Stubbs?

[Caveat Emperor]

That's a crappy way to lose a ballgame.

[TRF]

a little help please... what happened?

[guttle11]

Stuff like that happens. That's why you play for the runs in the 7th. Hated the move then, still hate it now. PH Hanigan.

[membengal]

Not a fan of the move, myself. Would rather play for the runs and risk the bullpen.

Letting Leake bat WAS playing for the runs, in my view.

[HeatherC1212]

That really sucked for the Reds and especially for Mike. :(

[RedsMan3203]

a little help please... what happened?

Stubbs lost a high fly ball in the lights

[Homer Bailey]

Stubbs never saw a flyball and Iwamura gets a triple out of it. It was routine.

[reds44]

Imagine if that was Patterson or Taveras.

[membengal]

It was literally routine. Landed 20 feet in front of the warning track in left-center on a high fly. Stubbs simply never saw it.

[guttle11]

Letting Leake bat WAS playing for the runs, in my view.

No it wasn't. Hanigan, Bruce and Nix were all better options. Leake is a good hitting pitcher, but he's not a run producer in any imagination.

[VR]

Heisey can scoot

[RedsMan3203]

Leake pitched another great game.... No if ands or stubbs about it.... Happens to the best of em.

[oneupper]

No it wasn't. Hanigan, Bruce and Nix were all better options. Leake is a good hitting pitcher, but he's not a run producer in any imagination.

Hanigan is the backup catcher. Dusty won't use him. Bruce and Nix are lefties.
It was Leake or Cairo.

[Redsfan320]

If Leake ends up taking the loss for this... :angry: :angry: :angry:

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[alloverjr]

Hanigan is the backup catcher. Dusty won't use him. Bruce and Nix are lefties.
It was Leake or Cairo.

Or Cabrerra

[membengal]

No it wasn't. Hanigan, Bruce and Nix were all better options. Leake is a good hitting pitcher, but he's not a run producer in any imagination.

Bruce and Nix leftys against a nasty lefty in Maholm. Dusty won't use Hanigan because he won't burn his back-up.

That leaves either O-Cab or Cairo. Cairo is not a better option. O-Cab would have been, and that's where I can see people fussing. But Leake was, what, 6 for 17 on the year? And has had consistently as good an appoach in each of the year's at-bats as any Red outside of Votto. So, from a score the run standpoint, Leake hitting did not bother me. Still doesn't.

[alloverjr]

Imagine if that was Patterson or Taveras.

No difference to me except the price tag.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Official scoring in baseball is so antiquated. That should be an error on Stubbs, not a triple. Whoever thought of this absurd idea that the OF needs to get a glove on the ball for it to be an error was a complete fool. If you are a professional baseball player and you badly misjudge a ball (or don't pick it up at all) that should be on YOU, not the pitcher. It should not go in the books as a triple. Just a terrible rule that is long overdue to be changed.

[Cedric]

Stubbs didn't put his arms out or anything. He covered his face in sheer terror and did not let Gomes or anyone else know he lost the ball. If he lets Gomes know I'm not as bitter right now.

He made no attempt to let anyone know he had misplayed the ball.

[oneupper]

Or Cabrerra

Right. Cabrera was probably the better option, but Cairo is the first guy off the bench usually.

[reds44]

Stubbs didn't put his arms out or anything. He covered his face in sheer terror and did not let Gomes or anyone else know he lost the ball. If he lets Gomes know I'm not as bitter right now.

He made no attempt to let anyone know he had misplayed the ball.
Yep. There was no way he ever saw that ball. Let somebody know.

[RedsMan3203]

I saw his arms out from the start of the play.....

[PuffyPig]

Hanigan is the backup catcher. Dusty won't use him. Bruce and Nix are lefties.
It was Leake or Cairo.

Cabrerra was the obvious choice.

BTW, does anyone find it unusual that Cueto and Bailey gave up a combined 5hits over two complete games and it's termed "lucky" vs. a very bad team. Leake gives up 10 hits to the same team with nary a peep.

[HeatherC1212]

I could tell right away that Drew couldn't see the ball but maybe Gomes was trying to get there and didn't realize it in time.

[reds44]

I saw his arms out from the start of the play.....
You could tell he was fighting it, but the ball landed 30 feet from him.

[VR]

Official scoring in baseball is so antiquated. That should be an error on Stubbs, not a triple. Whoever thought of this absurd idea that the OF needs to get a glove on the ball for it to be an error was a complete fool. If you are a professional baseball player and you badly misjudge a ball (or don't pick it up at all) that should be on YOU, not the pitcher. It should not go in the books as a triple. Just a terrible rule that is long overdue to be changed.

Ken Griffey would have had 20 errors when he was the Reds right fielder.

[RedsMan3203]

You could tell he was fighting it, but the ball landed 30 feet from him.

Gomes/Heisey should of been able to see that....

Not saying it would of made much difference, held the guy to a 2nd, he still would of scored on the next batter.

[membengal]

The fact that run is "earned" is borderline offensive to me.

[CrackerJack]

I could tell right away that Drew couldn't see the ball but maybe Gomes was trying to get there and didn't realize it in time.

Janish would've seen it. :cool:

[guttle11]

Hanigan is the backup catcher. Dusty won't use him. Bruce and Nix are lefties.
It was Leake or Cairo.

Sure, in Dusty's world. Doesn't make it the correct play. I don't care who's pitching, late in a tie game, Leake over Bruce, Hanigan or Nix is not the higher percentage call.

Hopefully the offense can wake up the 4th time though and get Leake off the hook.

[pedro]

I liked the move to let Leake hit.

As for Stubbs misplay. That stuff happens to all players from time to time.

[membengal]

Right now, this is sickeningly like a game I attended a few years back, the one good game Dave Williams ever threw for the Reds, it felt like, dueled Jon Liber 0-0 until the 8th when Quinton McCracken flat dropped a fly ball to help facilitate a lone run. Reds lost 1-0.

[Always Red]

Janish would've seen it. :cool:

Chris Denorfia gets that ball :cool:

[alloverjr]

I liked the move to let Leake hit.

As for Stubbs misplay. That stuff happens to all players from time to time.

Agree with Leake, but most .200 hitters don't get the chance to let that happen to them.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I saw his arms out from the start of the play.....

Same here. It was obvious from the start. And he's clearly saying something very early on there.

It sucks for sure, but that's just crummy luck.

[membengal]

I liked the move to let Leake hit.

As for Stubbs misplay. That stuff happens to all players from time to time.

Most did. It was a good call. Leake had as good a shot to knock as anyone. He darn near homered.

Hope the Reds can pick Stubbs up. This would be a tough one to lose.

[Chip R]

I liked the move to let Leake hit.

As for Stubbs misplay. That stuff happens to all players from time to time.

I agree, pedro, on both counts. Although I'm with Blitz and think that something like that should be an error.

[Blitz Dorsey]

The fact that run is "earned" is borderline offensive to me.

Exactly my point. It's such an antiquated rule that an OF has to get a glove on the ball for it to be an error. Why is severely misjudging a ball not considered an "error" for a baseball player? How is that any different/worse than an infielder booting a ball? I have never understood that. Just a classic example of "Well, it's just the way we've always done it" even if it makes absolutely zero sense.

[VR]

As for Stubbs misplay. That stuff happens to all players from time to time.

A voice of reason. Thank you.

[reds44]

Lovely AB from Jay.

[RedsManRick]

given the way Leake handles the stick, I thought it was as good a chance to get a hit there as any.

I hope Dusty has someone warming in case Leake lets a runner on.

Leake has made more contact this year than Stubbs. Seriously.

Leake
Contact%: 77.1
SwgStrike%: 9.1

Stubbs
Contact%: 71.4
SwgStrike%: 11.8

[HeatherC1212]

TAKE SOME PITCHES YOU NITWITS!!! :rant:

Sorry but this is getting frustrating to watch.

[reds44]

Thank you, Brandon.

[Tom Servo]

:jump:

[alloverjr]

TAKE SOME PITCHES YOU NITWITS!!! :rant:



NO!

[HeatherC1212]

Brandon...NOT A TOOL! :jump:

[Puffy]

Bomb.

[Caveat Emperor]

Brandon Phillips to Mike Leake: "I got you, rook."

[Stephenk29]

BOOM!

[TheBurn]

There ya' go BP :clap:

[Matt700wlw]

:jump:

[Degenerate39]

Leake is still undefeated!

[Chip R]

Rally killer. ;)

[membengal]

Thank you Brandon.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Leake has made more contact this year than Stubbs. Seriously.

Leake
Contact%: 77.1
SwgStrike%: 9.1

Stubbs
Contact%: 71.4
SwgStrike%: 11.8

I actually believe that Owings and Leake are better hitters than Stubbs.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Picks Leake & Stubbs up. Nicely done Brandon! :jump:

[Redsfan320]

#100 for BP, and now Leake doesn't get the loss for a Stubbs mistake. :phillips:

320

[guttle11]

Atta boy, BP.

Bringing in a fastball throwing RH was not the smartest move, especially after the Reds were stupefied by the junk throwing lefty.

[TheNext44]

Stubbs says, "Thank you, Mr. Phillips"

[Puffy]

By the way, I agree with move to let Leake hit. He was throwing too well and had low pitch count. You gotta rest bullpen where applicable.

[reds44]

Votto was swinging and everything.

[Blitz Dorsey]

OK, I don't want to hear any more B-Phillips bashing on this board for the rest of the year.

(Or at least for the rest of the week.)

;-)

[VR]

I've never seen a consistent 1/2 swing like that little # Joey pulls. It's an amazing show of strength and reflexes.

[RedsManRick]

I just noticed that Stubbs didn't get an error on his misplay. How in the world can that be? Who is the official scorer protecting? That run should not be counted against Leake.

[reds44]

Oh no, not "walk off" Masset.

[Homer Bailey]

I just noticed that Stubbs didn't get an error on his misplay. How in the world can that be? Who is the official scorer protecting? That run should not be counted against Leake.

If a player does not touch a ball it is not an error.

[reds44]

I just noticed that Stubbs didn't get an error on his misplay. How in the world can that be? Who is the official scorer protecting? That run should not be counted against Leake.
Can't be an error if the outfielder doesn't touch it.

[Brutus]

If a player does not touch a ball it is not an error.

That's not really true. There's some discretion with the scorekeeper to rule it an error.

[Puffy]

That's not really true. There's some discretion with the scorekeeper to rule it an error.

Yup.

But they won't ever where player loses in lights or sun.

[Chip R]

That's not really true. There's some discretion with the scorekeeper to rule it an error.

Right. A ball can go between an IFer's legs and it's an error.

[VR]

If a player does not touch a ball it is not an error.

Not quite that ....but that play has never been ruled an error.

Balls go through legs and past gloves all the time that dont' get touched and yet are errors.

[Blitz Dorsey]

That's not really true. There's some discretion with the scorekeeper to rule it an error.

But they NEVER give an outfielder an error when they badly misjudge a ball, so they obviously never choose to use their discretion. It's as if official scorers live by the (ridiculous) unwritten rule that they won't give an OF an error for misjudging the ball, losing the ball in the sun, or doing whatever the hell happened to Stubbs there. No question that should have been an error on Stubbs and not a "triple given up by Leake."

[Redsfan320]

Really great poll on FSO right now. They ask: What is more important to a team?

1. Dominant closer

2. Great set-up pitching

Good question.

320

[HeatherC1212]

Good plan to let Rhodes finish pitching to Church and hopefully good Masset shows up tonight to finish this inning.

[Puffy]

But they NEVER give an outfielder an error when they badly misjudge a ball, so they obviously never choose to use their discretion. It's as if official scorers live by the (ridiculous) unwritten rule that they won't give an OF an error for misjudging the ball, losing the ball in the sun, or doing whatever the hell happened to Stubbs there. No question that should have been an error on Stubbs and not a "triple given up by Leake."

They would if someone misjudged (on occasion). But never in lights or sun.

[guttle11]

I agree with Stubbs not getting an error. If you start giving errors for losing a ball in the sky/sun/lights, where does it end? "Oh, the OFer slipped on dry, well groomed grass, so that double is really a single and an error"?

[Brutus]

But they NEVER give an outfielder an error when they badly misjudge a ball, so they obviously never choose to use their discretion. It's as if official scorers live by the (ridiculous) unwritten rule that they won't give an OF an error for misjudging the ball, losing the ball in the sun, or doing whatever the hell happened to Stubbs there. No question that should have been an error on Stubbs and not a "triple given up by Leake."

I'm not saying that should have necessarily been an error or that they would likely to give one. I was just responding to the comments that because it wasn't touched it's not an error - which is not the basis in which a scoring decision is made.

[Chip R]

I agree with Stubbs not getting an error. If you start giving errors for losing a ball in the sky/sun/lights, where does it end? "Oh, the OFer slipped on dry, well groomed grass, so that double is really a single and an error"?

Why not?