USMNT --- World Cup 2010 South Africa - USA Eliminated

[NJReds]

Interesting match with Mexico and Uruguay today. They both advance with a tie, but the second place finisher most likely gets Argentina in the next round. That leaves Nigeria, South Korea or Greece for the group winner. Uruguay wins the group with a tie. I think Mexico will press for a win today.

[NJReds]

South Africa on the board against France ... 1-0. I think France really would just rather go home at this point.

[NJReds]

2-0 South Africa. And France down to 10 after a straight red card.

Interesting. Mexico best be careful now. The goal differential is creeping closer. They're safe with a tie, though. Second round v. Argentina is preferable to being out in the first round.

Good to see Bafana Bafana finish strong.


Edit: Uruguay scores. As it stands now ... Mexico and South Africa would be tied w/4 points. Mexico is +1 goal differential and South Africa -1. I would expect the second half of the South Africa game to be all out attack on the 10-man French squad.

[NJReds]

Regardless of which country has the worst divers, it remains a black mark on the sport that has to be managed. I think that if FIFA really wanted to get tough they could implement a few measures that I think would greatly curtail the practice:

1. Using video replay for the purpose of reviewing blatant acts of unsportsmanlike conduct, including intentionally dangerous play and clear displays of simulation intended to draw a red card for the opposition or an unwarranted penalty kick.

2. Suspend players deemed to have engaged in unsportsmanlike conduct for two games, as if the player had received a red card at the start of the next game. Likewise, if any player had received a red card as a result of a clear simulation, his suspension for the next game is lifted.

3. If it continues to be a problem, FIFA could threaten teams engaging in excessive unsportsmanlike conduct with point deductions. I imagine the Brazil-Ivory Coast match might have gone differently if the teams had the threat of losing a point or two if they kept things going.

Excellent suggestions. No reason you can't go back to the videotape even if you don't want to use replay in game situations.

I would add that the diving makes it very tough for referees to make accurate calls. Think about their position on the field (rather than the TV view that we get) and it's really difficult for them to sense whether a foul is real or fake because so many players drop at the slightest touch.

[IslandRed]

I'm not a big soccer guy, so the reasons that may be obvious are eluding me (if there are any beyond saving money), but I don't get why the highest levels of soccer don't step up to a better level of officiating. It's absurd to expect one guy on the field to see everything. I know they have assistants on the sidelines to call lines and offsides, but it's simply not possible for the referee to be in good position more than a fraction of the time.

[NJReds]

France scores. South Africa leads 2-1, but the goal differential is probably too big to overcome now. It would be take a miracle for the host to advance.

[WMR]

It would've been a nice story, but they'd just be the sacrificial lamb for the Argentinians.

[Hoosier Red]

I'm not a big soccer guy, so the reasons that may be obvious are eluding me (if there are any beyond saving money), but I don't get why the highest levels of soccer don't step up to a better level of officiating. It's absurd to expect one guy on the field to see everything. I know they have assistants on the sidelines to call lines and offsides, but it's simply not possible for the referee to be in good position more than a fraction of the time.

There has been grumbling off and on for a third referee. I agree, the field's just too wide and long and the athletes far to big and fast for one man to be responsible for the whole thing.

[NJReds]

It would've been a nice story, but they'd just be the sacrificial lamb for the Argentinians.

Would've been a moral victory more than anything. Advancing to the second round would give the fans something to celebrate. I hope they hold on for the win at least.

[WMR]

First time in the history of the WC the host nation has not advanced to the knockout stages.

[WMR]

mexico argentina again

[WMR]

lol

http://skroting.net/images/vuvu2.png

[Hoosier Red]

An entertaining take on some tired cliche sports radio subjects;

http://soccer.fanhouse.com/2010/06/22/u-s-soccer-fans-need-to-hate-u-s-soccer-haters/

Some of my favorite lines:
You can't love something deeply without hating something deeply too. (I think this was the worst wedding anniversary Hallmark card of all-time.)

Right now, I think soccer fans are afraid of being typecast as the loud, obnoxious Americans. That's why the stereotype of American soccer fans as effete coffee drinkers in berets and scarves exists now. In the rest of the world, soccer fans are like our football fans; in America, soccer fans try not to be like our football fans.

[NJReds]

The first two knockout round of 16 matches are set:

Uruguay v. South Korea
Argentina v. Mexico

I wouldn't expect any of these teams to bunker down on defense. Both games should produce some entertaining soccer.

Out:
- South Africa
- Nigeria
- Greece
- France

Of the teams that were eliminated, I'd say Nigeria is the most disappointing. The African teams haven't played well so far in this tournament. South Africa didn't qualify as host, but went out strong today with a win over France. Greece is an uninteresting team. I can't believe the hoisted the Euro trophy a few years back. France is a disaster right now. This tournament would've been better off with Ireland.

[Reds Fanatic]

Here are the US scenarios for tomorrow:


The U.S. advances with:
• A U.S. win
• A U.S. tie and England loss
• A Tie and England-Slovenia tie, and the U.S. maintains its +2 goals scored advantage (USA 3 GF, England 1 GF)

The U.S. advances and wins group with:
• A Win by a greater goal difference than England wins by
• A Win and England win by same goal differential while the U.S. maintains its +2 goals scored advantage
• A Win by two or more goals and England / Slovenia tie
• A Win by one goal and England / Slovenia tie while scoring more goals than Slovenia

The U.S. is eliminated with:
• A U.S. tie and England win.
• A U.S. Loss


http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-National-Team/2010/06/US-Looking-for-Win-Against-Algeria-to-Advance-Through-Group-C.aspx

[NJReds]

Here are the US scenarios for tomorrow:



http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-National-Team/2010/06/US-Looking-for-Win-Against-Algeria-to-Advance-Through-Group-C.aspx


I want them to advance, but really, if they can't beat Algeria how much can we really expect from them in the round of 16. Gotta win tomorrow.

[Yachtzee]

An entertaining take on some tired cliche sports radio subjects;

http://soccer.fanhouse.com/2010/06/22/u-s-soccer-fans-need-to-hate-u-s-soccer-haters/

Some of my favorite lines:
You can't love something deeply without hating something deeply too. (I think this was the worst wedding anniversary Hallmark card of all-time.)

Right now, I think soccer fans are afraid of being typecast as the loud, obnoxious Americans. That's why the stereotype of American soccer fans as effete coffee drinkers in berets and scarves exists now. In the rest of the world, soccer fans are like our football fans; in America, soccer fans try not to be like our football fans.

One thing I will be happy about when the World Cup ends, ignorant columns written about soccer, both pro and con, by sportswriters who can't be troubled to actually spend some time understanding a sport. I'm tired of hearing about "why soccer sucks" or "what needs to be done to make Americans interested in soccer."

I have news for both sides, 1.) Soccer does not suck, and 2.) Soccer is already gaining in popularity in the U.S. ESPN has dedicated more coverage and hired far better analysts and commentators than any previous cups. We have access to far more games from the MLS, EPL, Serie A, La Liga, and the Champions League than we've ever had in the past. In fact, you can even watch Argentinian and Australian A-League matches if you want. The Champions League Final was shown live on a major US Network and not tape-delayed on ESPN8. Soccer is catching on, especially with the 18-45 year old males that marketers greatly covet, so it's popularity will more likely grow than shrink.

With regard to the author of the article, the US already has a team most American fans hate. Enemy number one is Mexico. American soccer fans hate Mexico so much we make up t-shirts making fun of them, just like any good NFL team has fans making up bootleg shirts ridiculing their rivals. Mexican fans hate the US as well, and we're in the same confederation, so we play all the time. Plus, there's that fact that, like Steelers and Cubs fans, Mexico fans seem to come out of the woodwork whenever the USMNT plays anywhere but Columbus or Seattle. Oh, and Mexico fans throw garbage at us when we play in Azteca.

[Homer Bailey]

One thing I will be happy about when the World Cup ends, ignorant columns written about soccer, both pro and con, by sportswriters who can't be troubled to actually spend some time understanding a sport. I'm tired of hearing about "why soccer sucks" or "what needs to be done to make Americans interested in soccer."

I have news for both sides, 1.) Soccer does not suck, and 2.) Soccer is already gaining in popularity in the U.S. ESPN has dedicated more coverage and hired far better analysts and commentators than any previous cups. We have access to far more games from the MLS, EPL, Serie A, La Liga, and the Champions League than we've ever had in the past. In fact, you can even watch Argentinian and Australian A-League matches if you want. The Champions League Final was shown live on a major US Network and not tape-delayed on ESPN8. Soccer is catching on, especially with the 18-45 year old males that marketers greatly covet, so it's popularity will more likely grow than shrink.

With regard to the author of the article, the US already has a team most American fans hate. Enemy number one is Mexico. American soccer fans hate Mexico so much we make up t-shirts making fun of them, just like any good NFL team has fans making up bootleg shirts ridiculing their rivals. Mexican fans hate the US as well, and we're in the same confederation, so we play all the time. Plus, there's that fact that, like Steelers and Cubs fans, Mexico fans seem to come out of the woodwork whenever the USMNT plays anywhere but Columbus or Seattle. Oh, and Mexico fans throw garbage at us when we play in Azteca.

Nice post.

I love how idiotic American talking heads just whine about the vuvuzelas and about all things soccer. I'm becoming more and more of a fan every single day. It's the world's game. If you don't understand it (and I'm in that group), don't be ignorant and try to point out all the things that are wrong with the game.

[RawOwl UK]

Just set off for manchester airport for our wedding in rhodes, greece. So thought I'd wish you guys luck for the rest of the tournement. We should be there 2 hours ahead of kick off so will be able to watch the game flight delay permitting. Some friends and family will be up in the air while the game is on !!!! Which will send most of them crazy :). Not sure if the pilot will give them any updates. Any way good luck to England, USA and the reds over the next 2 weeks.

[reds1869]

Just set off for manchester airport for our wedding in rhodes, greece. So thought I'd wish you guys luck for the rest of the tournement. We should be there 2 hours ahead of kick off so will be able to watch the game flight delay permitting. Some friends and family will be up in the air while the game is on !!!! Which will send most of them crazy :). Not sure if the pilot will give them any updates. Any way good luck to England, USA and the reds over the next 2 weeks.

Best wishes with both football and family.

[Caveat Emperor]

Best wishes, Raw -- I've really enjoyed your contributions on these football threads.

Wish I could watch the match tomorrow. Unfortunately, I've got a trial scheduled to go at 8:30 and I'll probably miss the majority of the game.

[improbus]

Just set off for manchester airport for our wedding in rhodes, greece. So thought I'd wish you guys luck for the rest of the tournement. We should be there 2 hours ahead of kick off so will be able to watch the game flight delay permitting. Some friends and family will be up in the air while the game is on !!!! Which will send most of them crazy :). Not sure if the pilot will give them any updates. Any way good luck to England, USA and the reds over the next 2 weeks.

It is the one place in Greece that I would take my wife who is a terrible traveler. What an amazing place. If you need to get away from the hubub, visit Megisti and avoid most human contact. Good times.

[WMR]

I'm predicting we come out flying and create a flurry of early chances.

[reds1869]

I'm predicting we come out flying and create a flurry of early chances.

All of which bang off the woodwork. ;)

[NJReds]

Herculez Gomez starting up front in place of Robbie Findley

Edu starts in the middle (instead of Clark or Torres)

Oguchi Onyewu is out. Carlos Bocanegra moves into his spot in the middle, and Jonathan Bornstein comes on as an outside defender.

Howard
Cherundolo-DeMerit-Bocanegra(c)-Bornstein
Donovan-Bradley-Edu-Dempsey
Altidore-Gomez

[WMR]

I would've gone with Spector over Bornstein.

I pray Bornstein doesn't screw anything up.

[WMR]

I can't believe Bornstein is starting in an elimination game.

[OldRightHander]

Just set off for manchester airport for our wedding in rhodes, greece. So thought I'd wish you guys luck for the rest of the tournement. We should be there 2 hours ahead of kick off so will be able to watch the game flight delay permitting. Some friends and family will be up in the air while the game is on !!!! Which will send most of them crazy :). Not sure if the pilot will give them any updates. Any way good luck to England, USA and the reds over the next 2 weeks.

Amen...and we can all rejoice in the downfall of the French. :beerme:

[WMR]

Shocking defending from Jay DeMerit.

[OldRightHander]

Well, the US team tried to concede the first goal but it was good save by the crossbar.

[KYRedsFan]

what is the deal with this lineup with such a huge game on the line?

[WMR]

what is the deal with this lineup with such a huge game on the line?

Robobob's CPU has been corrupted by SkyNet.

[OldRightHander]

Was Dempsey offsides there? That was close.

[Reds Fanatic]

England just took a 1-0 lead.

[OldRightHander]

Another goal taken away.

[WMR]

wow we got screwed again

[WMR]

Harkes is right. 2002, 2006, and now 2010 twice.

[Reds Fanatic]

Amazing 2 goals ripped off in 2 games. They should be easily in the next round and as it is now they are in trouble.

[KYRedsFan]

Total ****. He is not offside. This is ridiculous.

[KYRedsFan]

Man. The replays again show we got hosed. FIFA can suck on it.

[NJReds]

Typical of soccer. Inept officiating is the always the lead story in the major tournaments.

[OldRightHander]

Missed a great chance there.

[WMR]

god bless it

[MWM]

Why are the US players always so bunched up?

[MWM]

That Algeria player was not offsides

[WMR]

play the EASY ball cherundolo

[KYRedsFan]

Man, we have had so many chances and still nothing. Ugghhhhh

[MWM]

Man, if this team had Claudio Reyna in his prime, they could be dangerous. Maybe Bradley will be that guy at some point, but he has a ways to go.

[Slyder]

wow we got screwed again

Theyre calling it tight on both sides. That run by the Algeria attacker was close to even to. Ill take the AR's word over tv anyday cant harp on it when theres 45 more minutes to be played.

[KYRedsFan]

Ugghh, these replays are so frustrating between the disallowed goal and all our chances that we screwed up. Gotta do this

[GIDP]

I really really love disallowed goals. I mean of all the things in sports its probably the best.

[GIDP]

Man, if this team had Claudio Reyna in his prime, they could be dangerous. Maybe Bradley will be that guy at some point, but he has a ways to go.

I really like Bradley as a player.

[MWM]

Looking at the replay, that initial shot on goal by Gomez before the offsides call was pretty bad.

[NJReds]

Feilhaber in for Gomez. I assume that moves Dempsey up into the striker role w/Altidore.

[Chip R]

How did he miss that one?

[KYRedsFan]

OMG OMG Again. It's just not meant to be

[MWM]

Wow

[OldRightHander]

Agonizing

[dougdirt]

Bunch of warning track fly balls today for our boys.....

[MWM]

Ridiculous.

[KYRedsFan]

A yellow for that? Really?

[NJReds]

I don't even care about the offside call. It was early in the game and this team has squandered chance after chance. They can't put the ball in an empty net. Ridiculous.

[NJReds]

Buddle in for Edu. 25 minutes to make something happen.

[KYRedsFan]

ALl right edson. Time to put on some pressure. We have no one to blame but ourselves. ANOTHER ONE doesn't go in

[MWM]

Slovenia just missed with 3 chances that all should have been in.

[WMR]

Bornstein lol

[MWM]

What was that, buddle?

[KYRedsFan]

well here we go. nice chance here.

This will be just devastating if things stay like this.

[KYRedsFan]

Nice, another miss by the refs in the box as dempsey is punched. this is a joke

[OldRightHander]

Dempsey elbowed in the box...no call. Not surprising.

[MWM]

Hould have been a red.

[KYRedsFan]

Two reds there. Should be a man up at least but....

[Chip R]

Can you just push a guy down like that?

[RichRed]

Can you just push a guy down like that?

If it's against the U.S.? Yes.

[KYRedsFan]

It's time to push the ball no holds barred. Screw hoping for a slovenia goal, we need to win

[Chip R]

If it's against the U.S.? Yes.


Right. My bad.

[WMR]

Buddle that was pathetic. lord

[KYRedsFan]

Edson. bad

[KYRedsFan]

what the hell call is that?

[Chip R]

Goal!?

[WMR]

Yes!!!!!!!!

[GIDP]

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaah holy crap yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssssssss sssssss

[KYRedsFan]

HOLY ****!!!!

[MWM]

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!

[KYRedsFan]

And he is SAFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GIDP]

Hold on usa hold on

[Roy Tucker]

what happened?

[KYRedsFan]

they're a man down now

[Chip R]

Not disallowed? No offsides? No foul? Unpossible!

[KYRedsFan]

Goal Landon on a goalie deflection

[GIDP]

What a finish.

[KYRedsFan]

Amazing. Usa usa usa!!!!!!!!!

[NJReds]

Watched the last 15 minutes in our employee lounge. What a rush when that goal scored. Awesome!

[joshnky]

So they also won the group, right?

And, should we root for Germany to win Group D so we don't have to face them?

[Reds Fanatic]

Wow! What a finish. The US goes from the brink of elimination to winning the group.

[GIDP]

USA has so many fantastic moments in this Cup.

this is the type of stuff that brings a lot of great rep for the national team.

[KYRedsFan]

Yeah, group winner.

[WMR]

that's how you win a group!!!

[GIDP]

So they also won the group, right?

And, should we root for Germany to win Group D so we don't have to face them?

Yes the won the group.

[WMR]

screw algeria. negative bleeps. they deserve that loss so much

[GIDP]

I'll take a bloody lip and a win over what ever Algeria gets.

[KYRedsFan]

Good for Landon. He deserves it big time

[NJReds]

Slovenia is out. England qualifies second.

[GIDP]

Maybe they can get rid of those bleached blonde fohawks now.

[Reds Fanatic]

Next game will be Saturday at 2:30 ET. Opponent to be determined this afternoon.

[Chip R]

screw algeria. negative bleeps. they deserve that loss so much


I saw something online before the World Cup started that was Algeria (I think) vs. Egypt for a qualifier. The Algerians just beat the living crap out of the Egyptians and the refs didn't call anything.

[WMR]

I saw something online before the World Cup started that was Algeria (I think) vs. Egypt for a qualifier. The Algreians just beat the living crap out of the Egyptians and the refs didn't call anything.

they're such a pathetic side. if they had won today they would have advanced. instead they played like cowards and committed dirty foul after dirty foul.

they were willing to go out just to take us out with them.

[GIDP]

Next game will be Saturday at 2:30 ET. Opponent to be determined this afternoon.

Finally a game that isnt making me skip out on the little work I already have lol.

[Chip R]

they're such a pathetic side. if they had won today they would have advanced. instead they played like cowards and committed dirty foul after dirty foul.

they were willing to go out just to take us out with them.


I don't understand why the referees let them get away with that stuff.

[reds1869]

What a great feeling! Our players deserved that result so much and I can't describe my exhilaration when we scored. But I'm guessing I don't have to as you all felt the same thing.

[OldRightHander]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Caveat Emperor]

Watched the second half of the match downtown after I got out of court for the morning -- unbelieveable. Anyone who thinks a 0-0 soccer / football game is boring should watch this match. I had a sandwich sitting on the bar that went basically untouched for the majority of the half.

What else can you say about Landon Donovan? Amazing play, and a highlight that should live on forever in American sports history as he drove the ball in from point blank range off the deflection.

I'm still coming down from this one. From the brink of elimination to group winners in 4 minutes of stoppage time.

Unreal!

[Roy Tucker]

Great Posnanski-written profile on Landon Donovan from SI a couple weeks ago...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1170244/index.htm

[bucksfan2]

That Algerian GK was unreal. The US kept peppering the goal with shots and he was there time and time again.

I just had the feeling that they were going to get a goal if they kept attacking. They finally did, I just didn't think it would take that long.

Kind of amazing but that is only the second clean sheet that the US has had in their WC history.

[Yachtzee]

Awesome win! I love how they kept going for the goal and didn't let the missed opportunities or the algerians take them out of their game.

[GIDP]

Seriously what a huge moment for US soccor. The 94 team did wonders for Soccer in the states. This is even bigger.

[Reds Fanatic]

Game is going to be replayed tonight on ESPN Classic at 6 PM and ESPN2 at 1 AM

[bucksfan2]

Seriously what a huge moment for US soccor. The 94 team did wonders for Soccer in the states. This is even bigger.

I disagree in that what happened in 94 was in America. That itself made that moment huge and IMO bigger than this years. I believe (I could be wrong) that it was the driving factor in getting the MLS started up.

[KYRedsFan]

I disagree in that what happened in 94 was in America. That itself made that moment huge and IMO bigger than this years. I believe (I could be wrong) that it was the driving factor in getting the MLS started up.

In a financial sense yeah, that cup financed MLS

[GIDP]

I disagree in that what happened in 94 was in America. That itself made that moment huge and IMO bigger than this years. I believe (I could be wrong) that it was the driving factor in getting the MLS started up.

In the grande scheme of things sure 94 was probably bigger, but this team winning and how they have been playing in just gut wrenching moments I think its gaining more fans than the 94 team could.

Capitalizing on the opportunity to grow the sport in the US. Its a great time for USA soccer because so many fans are closer than ever before. Then again I dont know the ratings and things and how many people are actually watching now, but IMO this is huge and likely bigger for the sport than the 94 Team just because of the impact it can have on what I perceive as more new comers willing to watch.

[Yachtzee]

I thought it interesting that Harkes brought up the American penchant for late goals. To me that's a sign the US is better conditioned than most teams. It was like that at the Confederations Cup too. The US can run with anyone.

[GIDP]

I thought it interesting that Harkes brought up the American penchant for late goals. To me that's a sign the US is better conditioned than most teams. It was like that at the Confederations Cup too. The US can run with anyone.

Bradley is non stop in the middle.

[Caveat Emperor]

Capitalizing on the opportunity to grow the sport in the US. Its a great time for USA soccer because so many fans are closer than ever before. Then again I dont know the ratings and things and how many people are actually watching now, but IMO this is huge and likely bigger for the sport than the 94 Team just because of the impact it can have on what I perceive as more new comers willing to watch.

More importantly, from the idea of growing soccer in America, it provided a moment and an iconic image for the sport:

Landon Donovan, in "overtime" and with only seconds left to play, drilling the ball into the back of the net and sliding headfirst down the endline into the corner.

It'll be on SportsCenter for the rest of the day (and the rest of the US's run in the tournament), it'll be on newspaper pages around the country tomorrow, websites, etc. You'll see Nike and Gatorade ads with the highlight. It's Jordan's jumping fist pump, it's Kirk Gibson's walk off in the world series, it's Montana to Clark for "The Catch," -- it's a lasting image for soccer in America and something tangible that fans of all sports can relate to.

All it needs now is a nickname. ;)

[WMR]

'The Strike'

[GIDP]

The Moment

:laugh:

[Caveat Emperor]

'The Strike'

"The Putback"

[Chip R]

"The Goal"

[Boston Red]

My guess: the people who liked soccer before will continue to like it; the people who disliked soccer before will continue to dislike it; the indifferent will remain indifferent.

Now, a win like this over a European or South American country, and you might get some converts. It's hard to point to something that happened against Algeria as particularly monumental.

Advancing in the "Sweet Sixteen" (as those of us you're hoping to capture might call it) would certainly help.

[GIDP]

I think the drama of the games will bring people who dont really care back for a 2nd or 3rd look. I know a lot of Soccer haters who admit that it was a fun watch and they will probably check out the next game.

[Hoosier Red]

I thought it interesting that Harkes brought up the American penchant for late goals. To me that's a sign the US is better conditioned than most teams. It was like that at the Confederations Cup too. The US can run with anyone.

It's nice that the US is starting to develop this as part of its identity. It's something that will tie into a larger American patriotic feeling too, a gritty, underdog, hardworking team that never gives up? What could be more American than that?

[Tommyjohn25]

My guess: the people who liked soccer before will continue to like it; the people who disliked soccer before will continue to dislike it; the indifferent will remain indifferent.

Now, a win like this over a European or South American country, and you might get some converts. It's hard to point to something that happened against Algeria as particularly monumental.

Advancing in the "Sweet Sixteen" (as those of us you're hoping to capture might call it) would certainly help.

I'll respond to this. I have never, in my entire life of 31 years, felt even the slightest emotion towards a soccer game. I thought it was boring, slow, and while I give the players credit for being incredible atheletes, I just didn't care for the sport. I was watching the USA game for the same reason I watch the olympics, to root for my country, but not really all that emotionally invested in it other than the final score. All that changed with "The Goal". I didn't even feel the emotions welling up inside me, but when Donovan put it in I literally jumped out of my chair and yelled like the Reds just hit a walk-off grand slam! Even while I was doing it I thought it was odd. Now, I'm clearing my Saturday afternoon schedule so I can tune in. Five hours ago you couldn't have paid me to make that statement. Go USA.

[Chip R]

It's nice that the US is starting to develop this as part of its identity. It's something that will tie into a larger American patriotic feeling too, a gritty, underdog, hardworking team that never gives up? What could be more American than that?


A dominating one that is expected to win all the time?

[Razor Shines]

I'll respond to this. I have never, in my entire life of 31 years, felt even the slightest emotion towards a soccer game. I thought it was boring, slow, and while I give the players credit for being incredible atheletes, I just didn't care for the sport. I was watching the USA game for the same reason I watch the olympics, to root for my country, but not really all that emotionally invested in it other than the final score. All that changed with "The Goal". I didn't even feel the emotions welling up inside me, but when Donovan put it in I literally jumped out of my chair and yelled like the Reds just hit a walk-off grand slam! Even while I was doing it I thought it was odd. Now, I'm clearing my Saturday afternoon schedule so I can tune in. Five hours ago you couldn't have paid me to make that statement. Go USA.

I think a LOT of people feel exactly like this. I watched it with some people from work who said that they didn't care at all about soccer, but when Donovan's goal went in they were jumping around just like you. I said "wait, I thought you didn't care?"

I saw people go from another building come outside and start high fiving people. It was fun.

[Tommyjohn25]

I think a LOT of people feel exactly like this. I watched it with some people from work who said that they didn't care at all about soccer, but when Donovan's goal went in they were jumping around just like you. I said "wait, I thought you didn't care?"

I saw people go from another building come outside and start high fiving people. It was fun.

Haha! Awesome! Maybe there's a little soccer fan in all of us? :)

[OldRightHander]

I was sitting in the bunk in my van and I let out a yelp that had people looking over my way in the parking lot. I forgot that I had the window open to let in a breeze.

[Reds]

Couldn't have asked for a more exciting group stage from the US. Now onto the big boys!

[Joseph]

As a non soccer fan, I don't think this makes me any more interested in the sport. If they win the World Cup [highly unlikely I know] THEN I think you start to turn the tide and win over some new fans. This is just another match to many people I'd wager.

[Oxilon]

Not trying to rain on the parade folks, but lets be honest here, we were playing against Algeria. Refs aside, we didn't exactly light it up against the FIFA powerhouses of the world. And if it weren't for a botched save by Green against England, we would be in even worse shape.

Yes, I'm very happy with the last minute goal by Donovan. But from now on, there are no cupcakes and the U.S. can't survive on draws and only showing up in the 2nd half. Who knows, maybe they can pull another Confederation Cup and advance further in the knockout stages -- just color me skeptical (especially with our "defense").

[Slyder]

I'm hoping we draw Ghana in the round of 16 the only playmaker they have is their goalkeeper. They just arent that great in the other aspects, defense is above average (elevated by keeper play) and their offense is reliant on just outrunning people. Eventually they will have to make a play vs us but I would put our o and d up against Ghana and take it everyday of the week.

[Roy Tucker]

The United States will face the second-place team from Group D — Germany, Serbia, Ghana or Australia — on Saturday in Rustenburg.

which will be decided with two matches, Germany vs. Ghana and Serbia vs. Australia, at 2:30 p.m. today. The scenarios:

Ghana, Serbia win: U.S. plays Serbia.
Ghana, Australia win: U.S. plays Australia.
Germany, Serbia win: U.S. likely plays Serbia.
Germany, Australia win: U.S. plays Ghana/Australia, depending on tiebreakers.
Two ties: U.S. plays Germany.
Ghana wins, Serbia-Australia tie: U.S. plays Serbia
Germany wins, Serbia-Australia tie: U.S. plays Ghana/Serbia, depending on tiebreakers.
Serbia wins, Ghana-Germany tie: U.S. plays Ghana.
Australia wins, Ghana-Germany tie: U.S. likely plays Germany.

[bucksfan2]

Free kick question.

When I played soccer growing up there were direct and indirect kicks. Basically an indirect kick had to be touched by two players before going in the goal. A direct kick only needed to be touched by one. Is that the way in FIFA soccer? What qualifies as a direct vs. indirect kick.

[Yachtzee]

As a non soccer fan, I don't think this makes me any more interested in the sport. If they win the World Cup [highly unlikely I know] THEN I think you start to turn the tide and win over some new fans. This is just another match to many people I'd wager.

Sounds to me like they're already winning over new fans. Maybe you're just a tougher nut to crack. :)

Don't worry so much about what needs to happen to get you to like the game. Just tune in on Saturday and enjoy the ride. Maybe it will grow on you. ;)

[Yachtzee]

Free kick question.

When I played soccer growing up there were direct and indirect kicks. Basically an indirect kick had to be touched by two players before going in the goal. A direct kick only needed to be touched by one. Is that the way in FIFA soccer? What qualifies as a direct vs. indirect kick.

Yes, they do have indirect free kicks, which are usually granted for infraction not involving dangerous play. I think most indirect kicks take place away from the goal, so you don't notice.

[Yachtzee]

Germans and Aussies winning. Glad we don't have Serbia to deal with, if only because I won't have to deal with all the Cleveland Serbian-Americans rooting for the other team.

[oneupper]

Germans win 1-0 will play England
Ghana to face the US.

Aussies knock off Serbia 2-1. Fun game.

[reds1869]

I'm glad we are getting Ghana. That is the best matchup possible in my opinion. They have very little in the way of playmaking ability which is good considering our dreadful back line.

[GIDP]

Ghana and US should be a good game but England and Germany might be the best match up of the Cup so far.

[reds1869]

Ghana and US should be a good game but England and Germany might be the best match up of the Cup so far.

For pure hatred it will be hard to top. My family is getting ready to go to war; half English and half German, and the two halves do not like the other ethnicity. I've always sided with England in that rivalry, though.

And for any Anglo-German lurkers, you'll know what I'm talking about: did the ball cross the line? Nein! :D

[Slyder]

For pure hatred it will be hard to top. My family is getting ready to go to war; half English and half German, and the two halves do not like the other ethnicity. I've always sided with England in that rivalry, though.

And for any Anglo-German lurkers, you'll know what I'm talking about: did the ball cross the line? Nein! :D

I feel at war with myself... I'm half German, half English LoL. Ya it should be a good game I didnt get to see a lot of England but Germany doesnt look to be the behemoth you usually see in the World Cup.

Those with kids who want to play goalie please, please, please make them watch the US vs Ghana game and you will see arguably 2 of the best in these games.

[Yachtzee]

With all the disallowed goals and negative play against the US, does anyone think maybe we'll have Pele and Michael Caine suiting up for us? ;)

[OldRightHander]

With all the disallowed goals and negative play against the US, does anyone think maybe we'll have Pele and Michael Caine suiting up for us? ;)

With Sly in goal?

[Yachtzee]

With Sly in goal?

Only if Tim Howard breaks his arm.

[MWM]

Here's something funny: my 7 year old son is named Landon. My best friend from high school's name is Donovan. I always liked his name and since high school planned to name my first son Donovan. We discovered the name Landon about a month before he was born from a movie and chose that one. We almost considered making Donovan his middle name, but decided against it because there was a soccer player with that name. So if there were no Landon Donovan the soccer player, I'd probably have a son named Landon Donovan last name.

[improbus]

Some thoughts on the game:
-It's a good thing that Donovan scores that goal, because he was a 91 minute no-show. I kept yelling at the TV, "C'mon Landon, take the game over." But, he simply floated around the field. Bradley and Dempsey controlled the game.
-Does Feilhaber have some sort of disease that prevents him from playing 90 minutes, because every time he enters the game, good things happen.
-The book on playing Dempsey must be to pound him physically. That guy is taking a beating.
-Is Jozy Portuguese, because he's really going to ground easily.
-I am hearing tons of criticism of Algeria's tactics but I'm not sure that they can play any other way. First, they had a ton of chances in the last 20 minutes where they had just as many guys in the box as the US had defenders, but they simply couldn't link-up. Second, they didn't score any goals in the tournament, so maybe their not capable.
-Has anyone adequately explained why Gooch didn't play? Did he have an injury flare-up when he was subbed out in the last game? His size would have been helpful against Algeria's height.
-Finally, this was one of the most intense 1-0 games I've ever watched and I couldn't be prouder of the team. They are the most resilient US team I've ever seen.

[reds1869]

Some thoughts on the game:
-It's a good thing that Donovan scores that goal, because he was a 91 minute no-show. I kept yelling at the TV, "C'mon Landon, take the game over." But, he simply floated around the field. Bradley and Dempsey controlled the game.


I totally disagree with that assessment. Donovan was our best passer in this match. He was always lurking and waiting to pounce--which he did at just the right moment. He was somewhat invisible for the first twenty of the second half, but saying he was a 91 minute no-show is very harsh.

[improbus]

I totally disagree with that assessment. Donovan was our best passer in this match. He was always lurking and waiting to pounce--which he did at just the right moment. He was somewhat invisible for the first twenty of the second half, but saying he was a 91 minute no-show is very harsh.

Waiting to pounce and actually pouncing are different. Donovan only made one penetrating run, and what a run it was.
Now, what I will say is that Algeria really focused on shutting down the wings. The US had acres of space in the middle of the park to pass the ball around, so maybe it was less of Donovan "no-showing" and more of a "taking what the defense gives us" mentality, but I don't remember Donovan breaking down the defense and creating chances.

[Yachtzee]

Waiting to pounce and actually pouncing are different. Donovan only made one penetrating run, and what a run it was.
Now, what I will say is that Algeria really focused on shutting down the wings. The US had acres of space in the middle of the park to pass the ball around, so maybe it was less of Donovan "no-showing" and more of a "taking what the defense gives us" mentality, but I don't remember Donovan breaking down the defense and creating chances.

You must have missed it when Donovan had the shot on goal and might have put in the rebound, but he and Altidore both swung at it, skying it over the goal.

It seemed like the Algerians wanted everything to go through Bradley rather than have Donovan beat them. Very much more concerned about getting beat than winning.

[WMR]

Amazing call.

http://www.fanaticos.com/2010/06/23/asi-narro-andres-cantor-el-gol-de-landon-donovan/

[Caveat Emperor]

Very much more concerned about getting beat than winning.

Just watching, I got the overwhelming sense that Algeria was content to take the US out with them on a draw. As the game pressed on in the second half, it was the US pushing the pace of play to try and reach a decision while Algeria began to slow the game on restarts.

[NJReds]

Amazing call.

http://www.fanaticos.com/2010/06/23/asi-narro-andres-cantor-el-gol-de-landon-donovan/

Andres Cantor is awesome.

[oneupper]

Just watching, I got the overwhelming sense that Algeria was content to take the US out with them on a draw. As the game pressed on in the second half, it was the US pushing the pace of play to try and reach a decision while Algeria began to slow the game on restarts.

Algeria's chances of going through were very slim to start with and got much more remote worse once England went ahead. At that point, they needed a 2 goal victory.
They were playing to avoid embarrassment. Not sure if they achieved that.
I'm sure the Slovenians (who would have passed with the US tie) are unhappy with the Algerian performance.

[bucksfan2]

Some thoughts on the game:
-It's a good thing that Donovan scores that goal, because he was a 91 minute no-show. I kept yelling at the TV, "C'mon Landon, take the game over." But, he simply floated around the field. Bradley and Dempsey controlled the game.

I though the same thing. Actually for the entire cup so far I thought he was kind of lurking, but not showing himself enough. It seems like when he decides to present himself good things happen. I don't know enough about the tactical aspect of soccer but I would like to see him more in the action.


-Does Feilhaber have some sort of disease that prevents him from playing 90 minutes, because every time he enters the game, good things happen.

Couple of guys look better than advertised, Feilhaber and Bradley to name two. Couple of guys have been worse than advertised, Gooch.


-The book on playing Dempsey must be to pound him physically. That guy is taking a beating.

He doesn't have the physique to bang and not taking a beating. But I think he is truly the only player who has a unique Latin flair.


-Is Jozy Portuguese, because he's really going to ground easily.

Jozy has all the skills to be a great striker. I have been somewhat disappointed in his play this WC. But then again Wayne Rooney, one of the best strikers in the game has been a pretty non factor so far in this tournament. I think he was "French" after blowing that goal way over the goal in a chance early yesterday.


-I am hearing tons of criticism of Algeria's tactics but I'm not sure that they can play any other way. First, they had a ton of chances in the last 20 minutes where they had just as many guys in the box as the US had defenders, but they simply couldn't link-up. Second, they didn't score any goals in the tournament, so maybe their not capable.

I too had no problem with the way the Algerians played. They needed to get into a physical, knock em out, type match. They didn't have the horses to go toe to toe with the Americans so they had to out tough them. I think its similar to Pittsburgh and Baltimore football. They make no qualms about hitting you in the face over and over again. For the Algerians it almost worked.


-Has anyone adequately explained why Gooch didn't play? Did he have an injury flare-up when he was subbed out in the last game? His size would have been helpful against Algeria's height.

I thought it may have been tactical but I also wonder about that injury. Maybe he was rested with the hope he would be fresh for a round of 16 game. I think it was a good decision, would have been a great decision had USA put a couple of their wide open chances in the back of the net prior to the 91st minute.


-Finally, this was one of the most intense 1-0 games I've ever watched and I couldn't be prouder of the team. They are the most resilient US team I've ever seen.

Yep. Most intense, frustrating, yet ultimately fulfilling 1-0 game.

[Yachtzee]

Amazing call.

http://www.fanaticos.com/2010/06/23/asi-narro-andres-cantor-el-gol-de-landon-donovan/

It's pretty cool, but Cantor does that for every goal, so at least for me, his call has lost its effectiveness. I prefer calls where, even if you just saw the goal, you can tell by the announcers tbat it was something special.

[improbus]

I too had no problem with the way the Algerians played. They needed to get into a physical, knock em out, type match. They didn't have the horses to go toe to toe with the Americans so they had to out tough them. I think its similar to Pittsburgh and Baltimore football. They make no qualms about hitting you in the face over and over again. For the Algerians it almost worked.

The Algerians kind of reminded me of a triple-option offense in football. If you get behind, you can't really start chucking the ball around the field. You simply dont have the personel or the training to do it.

[Hoosier Red]

Some thoughts on the game:
-It's a good thing that Donovan scores that goal, because he was a 91 minute no-show. I kept yelling at the TV, "C'mon Landon, take the game over." But, he simply floated around the field. Bradley and Dempsey controlled the game.

I thought the same thing through much of the game. There's a thin line between "forcing things" and "imposing your will" on a match. Or to say it more passively, there's a thin line between "not doing enough" and "not trying to do too much." Being that we can't see everything, and can't see anything away from the ball on TV, maybe it's hard to tell.


-Does Feilhaber have some sort of disease that prevents him from playing 90 minutes, because every time he enters the game, good things happen.

I agree, I'd start out with him on the wing and Dempsey up top for the rest of the tournament. If for some reason he can't keep it up for 90 minutes sub in Holden and/or Beasley.

-Is Jozy Portuguese, because he's really going to ground easily.

The announcers for ESPN talked a lot about his work rate and we're very impressed with him, and he did track back a fair amount and did work hard, but his decision making was horrible. He just made a ton of terrible passes and some of his shots just seemed to be too shaky. Donovan's composure on that final shot may have been the most impressive thing after so many US chances went skying over the cross bar.


-I am hearing tons of criticism of Algeria's tactics but I'm not sure that they can play any other way. First, they had a ton of chances in the last 20 minutes where they had just as many guys in the box as the US had defenders, but they simply couldn't link-up. Second, they didn't score any goals in the tournament, so maybe their not capable.

I agree with the assesment given later. They played an honest up and down game for the first 60-70 minutes but as it became apparant that they would need to win by 2, it became a more negative approach. Honestly I have no problem with this attitude. If teams leave themselves in position to be picked off like this, they have no right to complain.


-Has anyone adequately explained why Gooch didn't play? Did he have an injury flare-up when he was subbed out in the last game? His size would have been helpful against Algeria's height.
I'm really concerned about the back line as I think Bocanegra is perhaps not as good as Onyewu at CB, but was terrible at LB. Of course I'm not sure there's a real answer at LB, I wish Beasley had played better 1 year ago and they could have continued with the experiment.


-Finally, this was one of the most intense 1-0 games I've ever watched and I couldn't be prouder of the team. They are the most resilient US team I've ever seen.

Absolutely agree.

[improbus]

My last point on the Algerian tactics. If you watch the goal sequence for the US, the Algerians have a cross with 2 Algerians completely unmarked on the far side of goal. They simply couldn't finish their chances.

[Yachtzee]

Holy cow! Slovakia goes up on Italy 1-0. It's early, but Italy is in serious trouble.

[Yachtzee]

Half-time and the Slovaks are still up 1-0. They are looking feisty. The Italians seem lacking today.

[Yachtzee]

Italy has already used 2 subs and uses the last in the 55' to bring on Pirlo.

[GIDP]

Italy is pretty darn flat.

[GIDP]

Italy is royally you know what right now.

[Yachtzee]

Slovakia puts another one in. Could both 2006 finalists go home early?

[Yachtzee]

Italy gets one back. Things are getting tense.

[improbus]

Here come the Italians. That was a bogus offsides. Should have been 2-2.

[Yachtzee]

Slovaks get another. 4 minutes additional time. Italians get another before I can finish typing.

[oneupper]

Italy OUT. Great Game.

[Yachtzee]

Whistle! Slovakia 3-2 Italy. What a crazy game.

[GIDP]

What a finish again. Holy cow that was such a great finish.

[Cedric]

There are going to be a fair share of bad match ups in the final 16. One of Ghana, US, South Korea, and Uruguay are guaranteed to be in the semis. Slovakia vs Holland? Ouch.

[oneupper]

Glad to see the Italians go. They're good, but their style of play is awful to watch and conducive to 0-0 stalemate matches.
Now if the Argentinians are knocked out, I'll consider this a successful World Cup for me as a fan.

[Slyder]

Here come the Italians. That was a bogus offsides. Should have been 2-2.

No it wasnt. The one called on the US and the one on Slovenia were closer. A playable part of his body was beyond the last fullback no side angle camera shot will make me believe otherwise.

BTW What a finish!

[NJReds]

Credit Slovakia for coming out strong, unlike Algeria, they fought for a spot in the round of 16 and got it. There were a lot of naysayers in Italy when Lippi selected his squad, and they'll be all over him now. Not that it matters, he'd announced his retirement prior to the World Cup.

[NJReds]

There are going to be a fair share of bad match ups in the final 16. One of Ghana, US, South Korea, and Uruguay are guaranteed to be in the semis. Slovakia vs Holland? Ouch.

If Slovakia plays like they did today that should be an entertaining matchup.

[reds1869]

No it wasnt. The one called on the US and the one on Slovenia were closer. A playable part of his body was beyond the last fullback no side angle camera shot will make me believe otherwise.

BTW What a finish!

Agreed. Clearly offsides, if only by a whisker. The bigger complaint might be whether or not the ball that deflected of the Slovakian defender on the line was in goal. I think it was but we'll never know.

Glad to see Italy go. I love their culture but hate their calcio.

[oneupper]

Agreed. Clearly offsides, if only by a whisker. The bigger complaint might be whether or not the ball that deflected of the Slovakian defender on the line was in goal. I think it was but we'll never know.

Glad to see Italy go. I love their culture but hate their calcio.


Again, on the deflection, don't think the ball made it in. The ball has to make it in totally, so you'd have to fit the diameter of the ball between the line and the defender's leg, which was coming forward.
Very close, however.

[Cedric]

If Slovakia plays like they did today that should be an entertaining matchup.

They were pretty rubbish the whole tournament. That group was terrible on the whole. Italy was obviously the worst seeded team in the tournament and by FIFA rankings the other 3 teams made that the worst group.

Slovakia and Italy couldn't beat New Zealand. Says it all.

[Yachtzee]

There are going to be a fair share of bad match ups in the final 16. One of Ghana, US, South Korea, and Uruguay are guaranteed to be in the semis. Slovakia vs Holland? Ouch.

Bad? Each of those teams has actually put together some good games to make it through. Teams like France and Italy are going home because they didn't play to win. Those teams were seeded only because of reputation. Maybe with the results of this World Cup we might see some fresh blood at the top of the FIFA rankings. If teams like France and Italy made it through, I fear we would have been looking at teams playing for 0-0 draws and hoping to win on penalties.

[Yachtzee]

I'm starting to think playing in the Southern Hemisphere is giving the South Americans a home hemisphere advantage.

[oneupper]

I'm starting to think playing in the Southern Hemisphere is giving the South Americans a home hemisphere advantage.

That's funny. Although the Aussies and New Zealanders may beg to differ.
(Not to mention the South Africans).

BTW. The New Zealanders nickname is "All Whites", and their fans displayed signs with this written. Kind of made me cringe, considering where they were playing.

[Cedric]

That's funny. Although the Aussies and New Zealanders may beg to differ.
(Not to mention the South Africans).

BTW. The New Zealanders nickname is "All Whites", and their fans displayed signs with this written. Kind of made me cringe, considering where they were playing.

The black stars of Ghana bad also? It's just a color in this instance. New Zealand rugby team is called the All Blacks.

[GIDP]

That's funny. Although the Aussies and New Zealanders may beg to differ.
(Not to mention the South Africans).

BTW. The New Zealanders nickname is "All Whites", and their fans displayed signs with this written. Kind of made me cringe, considering where they were playing.

Not everything is racist.

[oneupper]

Not everything is racist.

I know. I was just making an comment.

[Hoosier Red]

The black stars of Ghana bad also? It's just a color in this instance. New Zealand rugby team is called the All Blacks.


Not everything is racist.

Easy there sluggers, I'm pretty sure you can say an image makes you cringe(considering the relatively recent history in South Africa) without implying that those behind the "All White's" signs are racist. I had thought of that troubling image as well.

[Cedric]

Easy there sluggers, I'm pretty sure you can say an image makes you cringe(considering the relatively recent history in South Africa) without implying that those behind the "All White's" signs are racist. I had thought of that troubling image as well.

If you post that on a forum you probably should expect reasonable responses. I listed why it's not something to even think about cringing about.

[Chip R]

All right, let's settle down and get this back on topic. I'd sure hate to have to close this thread right before the knockout round starts.

[WMR]

It would be awesome if a 'newcomer' won the WC (non-traditional power).

[GIDP]

It would be awesome if a 'newcomer' won the WC (non-traditional power).

It would be cool if someone not in the top 10 world rankings won.

[OldRightHander]

I'm thinking a team with a keeper who plays for Everton. That would be nice.

[reds1869]

I'm thinking a team with a keeper who plays for Everton. That would be nice.

Slovakia? Why do you want Slovakia to win? ;)

[Caveat Emperor]

I LOL'd quite a bit at this:

YouTube - Vuvuzela in DOOM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXPPyjtw5WU)

[WMR]

Nice to see the Soccer Gods pay out proper karma for once.

[improbus]

Has anyone else noticed that all of the teams that play "negative" football have been eliminated so far? Italy, Greece, Algeria, Ivory Coast (should be eliminated tomorrow), along with the minnows of New Zealand and North Korea. Enterprising, attacking soccer has really shown itself well so far. Perhaps the trend of Spain winning the Euro's in 2008 will continue (as opposed to Italy in 2006 and Greece in 2004.)

[Caveat Emperor]

Thought this was also a neat link -- reaction videos from people watching USA - ALGERIA around the country:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/24/usa-world-cup-goal-amazin_n_623625.html

[Cedric]

Has anyone else noticed that all of the teams that play "negative" football have been eliminated so far? Italy, Greece, Algeria, Ivory Coast (should be eliminated tomorrow), along with the minnows of New Zealand and North Korea. Enterprising, attacking soccer has really shown itself well so far. Perhaps the trend of Spain winning the Euro's in 2008 will continue (as opposed to Italy in 2006 and Greece in 2004.)

Italy was by far the most open team in their group.

[RBA]

Ironic that we are on a "Reds" forum. (Blacks and Whites?)


Looks like the US Team is going to make me watch Football on Saturday. We will see.
Regardless of the outcome, I won't be rushing out to buy the MLS package on Directv.

[improbus]

Italy was by far the most open team in their group.
Italy only really opened the game up in the last 20 minutes vs. Slovakia, and surprise, they fired in 2 (and almost 4) goals. One other thing that I noticed about Italy. After they got down 2-0, they stopped diving and started playing hard (aside from that bizarre scrum in the net.) They fought through tackles and played brilliant football. Quagliarella was awesome and provided a ton of energy.

[Slyder]

Italy only really opened the game up in the last 20 minutes vs. Slovakia, and surprise, they fired in 2 (and almost 4) goals. One other thing that I noticed about Italy. After they got down 2-0, they stopped diving and started playing hard (aside from that bizarre scrum in the net.) They fought through tackles and played brilliant football. Quagliarella was awesome and provided a ton of energy.

The most dangerous stoppage in soccer. It never fails goalie tries to "delay restart" and the team trailing is trying to reset it quickly almost NEVER fails to produce a scrum. Its why when I can add time I tell both captains at the start that I reserve the right to add as much time as I deem fit (when I'm allowed to add time) to try and keep both teams from contributing to a totally stupid and unneccessary scrum.

[texasdave]

One goal scored in a game would have resulted in either winning or drawing 23 of the 44 games to date. Is that typical? Is this a low-scoring tournament?

[Reds]

US v Ghana is a 50/50 game, the us on paper - but ghana is close to home. should be a good match, I like the us to prevail by a goal.

[improbus]

The most dangerous stoppage in soccer. It never fails goalie tries to "delay restart" and the team trailing is trying to reset it quickly almost NEVER fails to produce a scrum. Its why when I can add time I tell both captains at the start that I reserve the right to add as much time as I deem fit (when I'm allowed to add time) to try and keep both teams from contributing to a totally stupid and unneccessary scrum.
Why should the players even be touching the ball when it goes into the back of the net. Shouldn't that be the ref's job? It's a weird situation all around.

[reds1869]

One goal scored in a game would have resulted in either winning or drawing 23 of the 44 games to date. Is that typical? Is this a low-scoring tournament?

The World Cup tends to be much lower scoring than club soccer. Teams tend to play negative (not to lose) when they are overmatched and it results in a lot of small score lines. That said, this has been worse than any World Cup I've seen for goal scoring. I wrote off the complaints about the new ball at first, but when I see free kick artists who usually have laser precision blasting the ball 30 yards off target I have to wonder.

[NJReds]

Bob Bradley speaks out against diving. A few excerpts from the story below.

I agree with him. It's easy to stop, but for some reason FIFA seems unconcerned. When the one of the top players in the tournament is suspended for an undeserved red card, you'd think it would get someone's attention.

Ivory Coast put on a shameful performance against Brazil.

Link to article (http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup/news/bradley:-punish-the-floppers!--fbintl_dw-flopping062510.html)



IRENE, South Africa – Despite errors by FIFA referees that disallowed two goals and almost knocked the United States out of the World Cup, coach Bob Bradley isn’t in the mood to complain about the refs.

“The game is very hard to officiate,” he said.

Instead, Bradley took aim at a soccer tradition that assaults the sensibilities of many of the casual or new American fans this U.S. team has attracted this week – flopping.

If you’re tired of seeing generally fit, strong players writhe on the field like a wounded duck after a phantom touch, only to have one of their wincing eyes peaking at the referee, then Bradley feels your, ah, pain.



That said, like a lot of soccer enthusiasts over the past two weeks, Bradley has watched too many players getting lightly bumped only to drop like a sniper just blasted them for him to remain silent.


Bradley brought out his strongest criticism of Ivory Coast player Kader Keita, who in a group game against Brazil took a light elbow to the chest from star Kaka only to fall to the ground in agony holding his face. Referee Stephane Lannoy was duped into believing Kaka had slammed Keita’s face and promptly issued Kaka a second yellow card and subsequent red card to eject the former world player of the year.

[jredmo2]

Bob Bradley speaks out against diving. A few excerpts from the story below.

I agree with him. It's easy to stop, but for some reason FIFA seems unconcerned. When the one of the top players in the tournament is suspended for an undeserved red card, you'd think it would get someone's attention.

Ivory Coast put on a shameful performance against Brazil.

Link to article (http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup/news/bradley:-punish-the-floppers!--fbintl_dw-flopping062510.html)

I just watched Mighty Ducks last night: "Take the fall! Act hurt! Get indignant!"

[reds1869]

Brazil-Portgual was simply dreadful. That is the type of match that really drags down a tournament. Some of the most skilled players alive were on the field together and seemed content to have a knock about or 90 minutes.

[westofyou]

Brazil-Portgual was simply dreadful. That is the type of match that really drags down a tournament. Some of the most skilled players alive were on the field together and seemed content to have a knock about or 90 minutes.

That's what happens when both teams advance already, I was going to go in late for work and watch the game this moring until it became apparent that it would be not a knockout game on any level.

Bummed that it was adog, I was hoping for an entertaining watch later tonight.

[reds1869]

That's what happens when both teams advance already, I was going to go in late for work and watch the game this moring until it became apparent that it would be not a knockout game on any level.

Bummed that it was adog, I was hoping for an entertaining watch later tonight.

I agree that this is what happens when both teams are through. OTOH, I thought we might see all-out attack from both sides with nothing at stake (CIV was never going to make up a -9 differential). With so much history between the two nations, you'd think both would want bragging rights. Oh well, at least Spain should be entertaining with their backs to the wall.

[Caveat Emperor]

I just watched Mighty Ducks last night: "Take the fall! Act hurt! Get indignant!"

I was watching that too -- couldn't help but laugh at the odd parallel to the soccer flopping you see in the World Cup.

Incidentally, we had a long discussion today at work as to who was the more "evil" leader: the Hawks coach from Mighty Ducks ("It's not worth playing if you can't win big,") or the evil Sensei from the original Karate Kid ("Strike hard! Strike fast! Show no mercy!").

[IslandRed]

Bradley's on the mark. It's not like embellishment of contact doesn't exist in other sports here in America, but trying to get a call is one thing, faking being hurt is another. The American sporting character has little tolerance for the latter; we expect our athletes to not just be tough, but act tough. When grown men are writhing in "pain" over contact that a nine-year-old girl could play through -- and my daughter plays, so I know of which I speak -- it's just laughable.

[oneupper]

I was watching that too -- couldn't help but laugh at the odd parallel to the soccer flopping you see in the World Cup.

Incidentally, we had a long discussion today at work as to who was the more "evil" leader: the Hawks coach from Mighty Ducks ("It's not worth playing if you can't win big,") or the evil Sensei from the original Karate Kid ("Strike hard! Strike fast! Show no mercy!").

Not even close.
This guy!

http://bigeastmeadow.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/karate-kid-sensei-finish-him.jpg

[GIDP]

Spain just got a freebie from about 50 yards away. Goalie runs out to try to clear a ball it bounces right to a Spanish player and he just puts it in with no one even having a chance to stop it.

[oneupper]

Spain gets a second goal and a Chilean defender is red-carded for a phantom tackle.

[Slyder]

Why should the players even be touching the ball when it goes into the back of the net. Shouldn't that be the ref's job? It's a weird situation all around.

Ya, its what happens when a team needs goals to advance or tie an important game I don't really know how you stop it because its a "thrill of the moment" event that everyone is guilty of.

[improbus]

Ya, its what happens when a team needs goals to advance or tie an important game I don't really know how you stop it because its a "thrill of the moment" event that everyone is guilty of.
The time it takes for the ball to go from "back of the goal" to "back in play" shoud be a part of added time. That would eliminate these silly situations.

[oneupper]

Knockout phase set. Can some start a semi-finalist prediction thread?

[NJReds]

That's what happens when both teams advance already, I was going to go in late for work and watch the game this moring until it became apparent that it would be not a knockout game on any level.

Bummed that it was adog, I was hoping for an entertaining watch later tonight.

Just like the end of an NFL season when a team has qualified for the playoffs and rests its starters.

[MWM]

Another stupid yellow card against Korea from a dive from Uruguay.

BTW, Uruguay plays some pretty phenomenal defense.

[MWM]

Uruguay might wind up regretting their 2nd half strategy. Korea is putting so much pressur on them eventually they're probably going to score.

[MWM]

Wow, no sooner had I posted the previous post, South Korea puts one in.

I've gotta say, the two times I've watched South Korea I've been really impressed. Of course, I didn't see them against Portugal.

[westofyou]

Wow, no sooner had I posted the previous post, South Korea puts one in.

I've gotta say, the two times I've watched South Korea I've been really impressed. Of course, I didn't see them against Portugal.

That was North Korea

[MWM]

Beautiful goal by Uruguay.

[MWM]

That was North Korea

Really? I had no idea. I was kind of pulling for them until now.

edit: Ah, I now realize you were referring to the Portugal match.

[MWM]

oops

[Tony Cloninger]

Yes Uruguay played too defensive in the 2nd half. I think they figured that they could just shut them down ....but the more you let the other team come in to your side the more chances there could be a Lucky goal....or the ball bouncing the wrong way...or just a good set up play on goal.

They have a better offense then they showed and should not be afraid to use it unless they feel it will short change their defense.

I thought the goalie should have laid back to avoid the Korean goal. I wanted another shut out but advancing to the Quarters for the first time since I was 3 years old ...makes my father relive the glory of 50's to middle 70's Uruguayan soccer.

[WMR]

Urguguay has such a proud footballing history. Nice to see them do well.

[MWM]

Pele - Top 20 goals

YouTube - Pele - Top 20 Goals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7HFq1gKeUU)

[Tony Cloninger]

Finally.....after the Netherlands took it to them in 1974 with Total football in the WC group opener.....they seem to have been lost in a haze.

They still do good in Copa America....but it is like being in the AL East with Brazil and Argentina as the Yankees and Red Sox. When it comes to qualifying....it is tough and finally in the last 10 years, even though they were not present 4 years ago....there seems to be better players and less sluggish play.

[Reds Fanatic]

Again they get behind early.

[MWM]

What on earth was he thinking trying to dribble through 2 players in the middle of your side of the field? Dumb. And now a stupid yellow card. Get him out of there.

[MWM]

Looking completely outclassed early. Need to keep it to 1 goal in the first half as they seem to be a different team in the second half.

[WMR]

I can't believe they conceded early yet again.

Why was Rico Clarke starting after Edu showed so well? And then Bradley basically admits he screwed up??? I guess it's good he changed things but why did he make such a strange tactical decision in the first place?

[WMR]

Take off Findley, push up Dempsey and bring on Feilhaber

[GIDP]

Findley is seriously glue when hes around the ball.

[MWM]

I still don't get why Feilhaber doesn't get more playing time. It's not an easy shot Findley had, but he put it right at the goalie, which we've seen lots of times by the Americans.

However, the reality of the first half is simply that Ghana is just better than the US, in almost every aspect of the game not including goalkeeping. Donovan looked like he was going through the motions out there.

I'm really growing fond of Michael Bradley. I really like how he plays. Some of the other guys should take some notes.

[MWM]

Just watched the replay of Ghana's goal from a different angle. The near post was the only shot the guy had and Howard was barely off the center leaving it open. A rare mistake by Timmy, but not an uncommon one and one that's difficult to avoid sometimes.

[GIDP]

Yea Bradley plays his heart out at all times.

Ghana is schooling the US when it comes to moving around right now. They are constantly moving.

[WMR]

hahahahaah mls commissioner said 'clint mathis' accidentally :lol: :laugh: :lol:

[WMR]

damn i'm a freaking genius :redface:

[GIDP]

Feilhaber coming on and Findley coming off to start the 2nd half.

[WMR]

Dang!!!

[MWM]

Feilhaber making an impact already.