6-4-10 Reds @ Nationals

[Degenerate39]

Cabrera
Phillips
Votto
Rolen
Bruce
Gomes
Stubbs
Hernandez
Harang

[Degenerate39]

Guzman
Morgan
Zimmerman
Dunn
Willingham
Bernadina
Desmond
Nieves
Hernandez

[GAC]

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O. Cabrera ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .267
B. Phillips 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .280
J. Votto 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .320
S. Rolen 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .289
J. Bruce rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .266
J. Gomes lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .303
D. Stubbs cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .233
R. Hernandez c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .300
A. Harang p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .217


http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/mlb/teams/20080123/80x60/was.gif

C. Guzman 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .313
N. Morgan cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .259
R. Zimmerman 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .311
A. Dunn 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .274
J. Willingham lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .277
R. Bernadina rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .244
I. Desmond ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263
W. Nieves c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .203
L. Hernandez p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .100

[Degenerate39]

Open the chat is

[Tom Servo]

What universe are we living in where is Livan Hernandez a sub 3.00 ERA pitcher and Harang a 5.00+ ERA pitcher?

[Degenerate39]

What universe are we living in where is Livan Hernandez a sub 3.00 ERA pitcher and Harang a 5.00+ ERA pitcher?

Bizarro

[Degenerate39]

- O. Cabrera grounded out to shortstop
- B. Phillips singled to shortstop
Phillips steals 2nd and advances to 3rd on an error

[Degenerate39]

Votto k's

[Degenerate39]

Rolen walks

[WVRedsFan]

What are the odds that Bruce looks clueless here?

[Degenerate39]

Bruce grounds out to short to end the top of the first

[Degenerate39]

24 pitches that inning for Hernandez

[Degenerate39]

Guzman flys out to left. 1 out

[Degenerate39]

Morgan singles to right

[Degenerate39]

Zimmerman grounds into a FC. Rolen throws Morgan out at 2nd base. 2 outs

[Gallen5862]

Thanks for the pbp and inning summaries Degenerate39

[Degenerate39]

Thanks for the pbp and inning summaries Degenerate39

No problem. Didn't think anyone else would do it.

Dunn doubles to right and Zimmerman advances to 3rd.

[kaldaniels]

Keels just went "there" re: Dunns HRs

[Degenerate39]

Willingham flys out to center 3 outs.

[Degenerate39]

- C. Guzman flied out to left
- N. Morgan singled to right
- R. Zimmerman grounded into fielder's choice, N. Morgan out at second
- A. Dunn doubled to shallow right, R. Zimmerman to third
- J. Willingham flied out to deep center

24 pitches for Harang in first inning

[Degenerate39]

Top of the 2nd:

Gomes flys out to right field. 1 out

[Degenerate39]

Stubbs singles to right-center field

[Degenerate39]

Stubbs steals 2nd.

[Degenerate39]

Razor Ramon hits a bloop single into left and Stubbs scores. 1-0 Reds

[Degenerate39]

Harang with a great bunt to advance Razor Ramon. 2 outs

[Degenerate39]

O.Cab grounds out to Zimmerman to end the inning. 3 outs

1-0 Reds

[Degenerate39]

- J. Gomes flied out to deep right
- D. Stubbs singled to shallow center
- D. Stubbs stole second
- R. Hernandez singled to shallow left, D. Stubbs scored
- A. Harang sacrificed to pitcher, R. Hernandez to second
- O. Cabrera grounded out to third

Through 2 inning Hernandez has thrown 42 pitches

[WebScorpion]

Is it weird to see Dunner at first or what? I guess he'll get to chat with everyone as they keep rounding the base tho! :thumbup: :ughmamoru

[Degenerate39]

Bernadina grounded out to first 1 out

[Degenerate39]

Desmond singles to center

[Puffy]

The blonde behind the plate - hubba hubba. And single (no wedding ring). Somebody fly me to DC stat!!

[Degenerate39]

The blonde behind the plate - hubba hubba. And single (no wedding ring). Somebody fly me to DC stat!!

Which one?

Wild pitch advances Desmond to 2nd

[Degenerate39]

Nieves strikes out. 2 outs

[WebScorpion]

Livan has more ML at bats than any of the three hitters preceding him. The bottom of this lineup is YOUNG! :eek:

[toledodan]

and harang pitching to him like he's babe ruth

[Degenerate39]

Hernandez walks. 1st and 2nd for the Nats

[WebScorpion]

Hernandez walks.
UGH! Aaron was having trouble locating his slider (keeps throwing it in the dirt) and that ball four was a fastball. Yikes! :eek: Hope he loosens up soon.

[Degenerate39]

A single by Guzman over O.Cab's head ties it up.

[WebScorpion]

Another slider hits the dirt against Guzman and now he's gone to the curve with Morgan. Struck him out on a changeup. :)

[Degenerate39]

Guzman strikes out

[Degenerate39]

- R. Bernadina grounded out to first
- I. Desmond singled to right center
- I. Desmond to second on wild pitch
- W. Nieves struck out swinging
- L. Hernandez walked
- C. Guzman singled to shallow left center, I. Desmond scored, L. Hernandez to third
- N. Morgan struck out swinging

[Degenerate39]

54 pitches for Harang

[WebScorpion]

54 pitches for Harang
Looks like both teams are headed for a early visit to the bullpen.

[Degenerate39]

BP grounds out

[Degenerate39]

Votto grounded out to second

[Degenerate39]

Rolen singles up the center

[Degenerate39]

Bruce K's and doesn't like it 3 outs.

[VR]

that was a horrible call

[Degenerate39]

Top of the 3rd

- B. Phillips grounded out to shortstop
- J. Votto grounded out to second
- S. Rolen singled to center
- J. Bruce struck out looking

55 pitches for Hernandez

[WebScorpion]

Gameday makes it look like that was ball four, not strike three...and there were only 4 pitches! I can see one, but THREE bad calls?!?! :angry:

[Degenerate39]

Zimmerman singles up the middle

[Tom Servo]

Harang not fooling anybody.

[Degenerate39]

Dunn singles up the middle. 1st and 2nd no outs

[WebScorpion]

Note to Aaron: Stop throwing that POS curve of yours. Figure out how to keep the slider out of the dirt...just don't hang one. ;)

[Degenerate39]

Willingham strikes out. 1 out

[WebScorpion]

I'll give Harang this: He's battling... He threw a slider over, then two in the dirt, then got another over...he refused to give Willingham a fastball and wouldn't go to his curve. Struck him out on a changeup. Keep fighting Aaron! :thumbup: The guys will score some runs for you.

[mbgrayson]

Bernadina chips a single to short center, run scores.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Harang: Clearly the weak link of the rotation ... and no, I'm not just now figuring this out.

[Blitz Dorsey]

I'll give Harang this: He's battling... He threw a slider over, then two in the dirt, then got another over...he refused to give Willingham a fastball and wouldn't go to his curve. Struck him out on a changeup. Keep fighting Aaron! :thumbup: The guys will score some runs for you.

He even nibbles against the opposing pitcher. The guy is barely holding on to his career as a starter. Nibble, nibble, nibble ... extremely hittable when he finally does come in the zone ... not a good recipe.

[WebScorpion]

He even nibbles against the opposing pitcher. The guy is barely holding on to his career as a starter. Nibble, nibble, nibble ... extremely hittable when he finally does come in the zone ... not a good recipe.
I'm not sure he's nibbling...he just plain doesn't know where the slider is going today. But your right, he's afraid to throw the fastball for a strike. He did throw a meatball to Dunner on the first pitch, but I think that was because he was 99% sure Dunn wouldn't swing.

[GoReds]

At the ballgame...

Time for Harang to go. He's part of the old Reds losing ways...just don't think he knows how to be part of a winning team.

[Blitz Dorsey]

At the ballgame...

Time for Harang to go. He's part of the old Reds losing ways...just don't think he knows how to be part of a winning team.

Wow, I thought I was being harsh. Can't release him with what he's getting paid, and he's still probably the best option the team has as the No. 5 starter, but there is no question he is the weak link of the rotation. I'm not sure a guy like Matt Maloney would be any better though. Heck, couldn't be much worse though. (I'm talking Harang of 2009-10.)

[WebScorpion]

At the ballgame...

Time for Harang to go. He's part of the old Reds losing ways...just don't think he knows how to be part of a winning team.


Aw c'mon, he's not TRYING to lose. Right now, I'd say he's a servicable 5th starter...I think he can improve a little on that. I think he goes in a trading deadline deal for sure, but I'd like to see him get SOME return. But yeah, he definitely shouldn't be in our ong range plans. We can't afford to pay #2 pitcher rates for our 5th starter. ;)

[Blitz Dorsey]

I don't think he's saying Harang is trying to lose, just that he's a loser. Not sure I completely agree with that, but I think that's the gist of what he's saying.

[kaldaniels]

So is he saying Harang would be good if on the Pirates?

[WebScorpion]

Harang with a K!! Livan threw him three straight strikes. Pay attention Aaron! That's how you pitch to the opposing pitcher. ;)

[GoReds]

I don't think Harang is a loser personally, but he lokks totally intimidated by the Nats lineup. 81 pitches in three innings - the bottom of the lineup is hitting under 230 and they own Harang. He is pitching scared. I don't know how else to describe it.

[kaldaniels]

Time for the bats to wake up...

[Reds Fanatic]

Balk on Hernandez moves Cabrera to 2nd.

[RedsManRick]

Harang is clearly no longer the stud he was, but he's getting killed with bloops and weak grounders yet again. Sure, he's a had a few balls stung, but I can think of at least 3 hits that were weak contact.

When you have to face that many batters, your pitch count is going to be up there. By my count, he's used 98 pitches on 25 batters. That's 3.9 P/PA -- not ideal, but not exactly horrible or evidence that he's avoiding guys.

And of course, his slider hasn't been right all year -- as that wild pitch showed.

[GoReds]

Rain drops...

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips singles in a run. Tie game 2-2.

[VR]

Just another horrbile call. Joey is not happy.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Just another horrbile call. Joey is not happy.

Yeah, that was waaaaaay inside IMO.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto grounds into a 4-6-3 DP.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rolen pops out. 2-2 mid 5th.

[fearofpopvol1]

The bats look lost again Livan. They need to be patient and rack up his pitch count.

Harang has not looked good. Way too many men on base, but he's at least limited the damage. His biggest blunder was walking Livan. That was a killer.

[WebScorpion]

I think Harang would be an excellent pitcher with 11 fielders in the the old Boston Braves (allegedly 550 to dead center) stadium. :evil:

[fearofpopvol1]

Harang out. Owings in. I thought for sure Dusty would try to give Harang another inning. Very interesting.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Wow. Can't say I'm upset about this though.

[VR]

Harang out. Owings in. Interesting.

indeed. Something has to be up.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Interesting that it's Owings v Dunn ... the main guys in the trade.

[Puffy]

The bats look lost again Livan. They need to be patient and rack up his pitch count.

Harang has not looked good. Way too many men on base, but he's at least limited the damage. His biggest blunder was walking Livan. That was a killer.

Hernandez had not given up more than 5 hits to any team in a home start this year. Thru 5 he has given up 7. The Reds bats aren't lost I don't think. They are actually handling Hernandez quite well.

The bad news is that hot girl is apparently with that dude sitting next to her. Just a FYI

[Blitz Dorsey]

K!

[WebScorpion]

Harang out. Owings in. I thought for sure Dusty would try to give Harang another inning. Very interesting.

98 pitches. Harang obviously couldn't get the handle on his slider, so he wasn't going to keep us in this game much longer. With Owings we have a better chance. I agree with Dusty! :thumbup:

[WebScorpion]

The Dunner is growing up...he swung at all three of those strikes. ;)

[WebScorpion]

Dunn strikes out swinging.
Willingham grounds out to Cabrera.
Bernadina walks.
Desmond grounds out to Phillips.

I http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-love017.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) Owings in middle relief!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Jay with a gift there. Clearly a strike IMO. But I'll take the walk thankyouverymuch.

[fearofpopvol1]

Jay with a gift there. Clearly a strike IMO

They showed a replay...it was out of the zone (albeit by only a bit)

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce is caught stealing.

[VR]

Both those strike calls on Stubbs were iffy, at best.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Marty & Brantley both begging Bruce to run. Well, they got their wish. Nailed at 2nd.

[VR]

and now ball 3 was closer than both of them. lol

[fearofpopvol1]

Sucks Bruce got caught, but I'm glad he tried. Nieves has not had good success this season.

I'd like to see Stubbs attempt here early in the count too.

[VR]

Sucks Bruce got caught, but I'm glad he tried. Nieves has not had good success this season.

I'd like to see Bruce attempt here early in the count too.

agree

[Puffy]

Drew Stubbs - in his last 2 at bats - has seen 12 pitches. He has taken all 12 pitches. I don't think he is seeing the ball very well from Hernandez. He does have 2 walks though, so maybe he just doesn't want the 4 fastballs he has gotten. Hey, its gotten him on base all three times so its working!

[fearofpopvol1]

i want to see stubbs running here at 2-2.

[fearofpopvol1]

And Stubbs wasn't running. I don't think he could've scored, but he could've been at least at 3rd.

[WebScorpion]

Sucks Bruce got caught, but I'm glad he tried. Nieves has not had good success this season.

I'd like to see Stubbs attempt here early in the count too.

Nieves is not in the Show for his bat. He's got a good arm though he hasn't shown it yet. That said, I 'd like to see Stubbs go too...Livan's 87mph heater isn't going to help them much either. :clap:

[GADawg]

The blonde behind the plate - hubba hubba. And single (no wedding ring). Somebody fly me to DC stat!!

I was all about her at first then she just wouldn't quit freakin' texting...drives me crazy...alot of coin to dish out for a seat to text in.

btw...anyone hear Keels say that the Tigers and Ford Motor company gave a corvette to Gallarraga? When did Ford start making corvettes? Paul you have a great voice but you're still just a talking empty head. Also Paul it's never referred to as a "batting box".

[fearofpopvol1]

Damnit. Nice play Bernadina (sp?)

[_Sir_Charles_]

I think Gameday's broken. That last called strike to Owings was shown as a foot outside.

[RedsMan3203]

I was all about her at first then she just wouldn't quit freakin' texting...drives me crazy...alot of coin to dish out for a seat to text in.

btw...anyone hear Keels say that the Tigers and Ford Motor company gave a corvette to Gallarraga? When did Ford start making corvettes? Paul you have a great voice but you're still just a talking empty head. Also Paul it's never referred to as a "batting box".

Maybe he made a mistake on the Ford part... But he did get one...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Armando-Galarraga-receives-a-Corvette-consolatio?urn=mlb,245508

[WebScorpion]

I think Gameday's broken. That last called strike to Owings was shown as a foot outside.
Yea, if Gameday is to be believed, this is one of the worst umps in the history of baseball. Inside the black on the outside corner is a ball and a foot outside is a strike. On one at bat (Bruce) Livan missed inside AND outside and both were called strikes. :dunno:

[durl]

So it looks like I haven't missed the Reds offensive explosion tonight. At least it's good to finally be watching the game.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Herrera & Del Rosario up warming.

[Homer Bailey]

I think Gameday's broken. That last called strike to Owings was shown as a foot outside.

It's not broken. On the Nats broadcast they replayed it and showed how incredibly far outside that pitch was. Just awful.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Come on Micah. Pay attention to the HITTER!

[RedsMan3203]

Come'on Owings.... get the ball over the plate

[alloverjr]

Owings has no clue where the pitches are going. Somewhat suprising he's as successful as he is.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Owings has no clue where the pitches are going. Somewhat suprising he's as successful as he is.

He seemed fine until that Kennedy guy got on and he started paying all his attention to the runner instead of the hitter.

[fearofpopvol1]

Zimmerman walks. Bases are loaded for Adam Dunn.

[RedsMan3203]

Here comes DRH!

[fearofpopvol1]

The Nationals announcer is worse than Keels. He just said Owings and Dunn were teammates for a short time in AZ. Uhh....

[alloverjr]

He seemed fine until that Kennedy guy got on and he started paying all his attention to the runner instead of the hitter.

Not an isolated incindent IMO. He seems to be this way everytime I see him "throw".

[_Sir_Charles_]

The Nationals announcer is worse than Keels. He just said Owings and Dunn were teammates for a short time in AZ. Uhh....

Umm, they were, weren't they? Owings came considerably later than when Dunn arrived correct? PTBNL

[alloverjr]

The Nationals announcer is worse than Keels. He just said Owings and Dunn were teammates for a short time in AZ. Uhh....

Technically true IIRC. Micah was on the DL at the time of the trade and was a PTNL. So both were on the DBacks payroll at the same time.

[fearofpopvol1]

Yeah, I guess that's true. I forgot Owings didn't come till later. They never played together though!

[Reds Fanatic]

Herrera in to face Dunn with the bases loaded.

[fearofpopvol1]

DRH got it done on 1 pitch. Nice work little man!

[RedsMan3203]

DRH, 1 pitch, 1 out... Allw as needed.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn grounds out to first on the first pitch. 2-2 after 6.

[durl]

Herrera, the leftie specialist, gets the out!!!

[WebScorpion]

Bruce walks.
Gomes lines out to left.
Bruce caught stealing second.
Stubbs walks.
Hernandez singles, Stubbs to 2nd.
Owings lines out to right.



Nieves grounds out to Rolen.
Pinch hitter Adam Kennedy singles to right field.
Guzman pops out to Cabrera.
Morgan walks, Kennedy to 2nd.
Zimmerman walks, Morgan to 2nd, Kennedy to 3rd.
Herrera in to pitch.
Dunn grounds out to Votto.


At the end of 6 complete, Reds 2 - Nats 2

[_Sir_Charles_]

This has GOT to be one of the slowest moving games I've EVER listened to. Wow.

[RedsMan3203]

2-0 Cards bottom 5 if anyone was thinking about it.

[WebScorpion]

This has GOT to be one of the slowest moving games I've EVER listened to. Wow.
at 76mph that was one of the slowest moving sliders ever too! :D Dunner had no idea what to do with it...you can only keep your hands back soo long. ;)

[_Sir_Charles_]

Clippard in. This reliever's numbers just blow me away. 7-3 with a 1.77 earnie. 10 decisions for a reliever BEFORE the ASB. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cabrera strikes out swinging on 3 pitches

[WVRedsFan]

The first two pitches looked outside to me on OC. Oh well.

[fearofpopvol1]

Clippard is a guy I really wanted the Reds to go after when he was a Yankee because he was so low on their depth chart at the time.

Clippard is absolutely fooling Reds hitters.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips grounds out to short.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wouldn't surprise me to see Clippard make the All Star team. Not in the least.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto singles to center.

[WebScorpion]

Clippard in. This reliever's numbers just blow me away. 7-3 with a 1.77 earnie. 10 decisions for a reliever BEFORE the ASB. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

and 0 saves with 5 blown saves to go with that. Odd stats.

[_Sir_Charles_]

and 0 saves with 5 blown saves to go with that. Odd stats.

I know. Everything about his numbers are just weird. But the ones people pay attention to (wins & era) are both solid.

[klw]

This has GOT to be one of the slowest moving games I've EVER listened to. Wow.

Well just wait until the rain delay that hits in about 45 minutes if they aren't done by then.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rolen strikes out. 2-2 mid 7th.

[_Sir_Charles_]

What was Rolen swinging at?!? A good foot or more above the zone.

I'll give the kid credit though. More than a 10 mph difference between his FB & change up. And he made the meat of our order look pretty pedestrian.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Del Rosario on the hill.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cardinals are up 2-0 on the Brewers in the bottom of the 6th.

[WebScorpion]

I know. Everything about his numbers are just weird. But the ones people pay attention to (wins & era) are both solid.

He's had 4 games where he let inherited runners score to blow the save and shuts them down for the next inning for the win. :eek: I guess he can't pitch from the stretch.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cardinals are up 2-0 on the Brewers in the bottom of the 6th.

Let me guess. Wainwright.

[Reds Fanatic]

Let me guess. Wainwright.You got it. 2 hitter so far.

[RedsMan3203]

Let me guess. Wainwright.

yup

[_Sir_Charles_]

I hate that guy.

[Reds Fanatic]

Willingham leads off with a single.

[durl]

I'm surprised Del Rosario didn't go back to the corner again. That was a good pitch.

[fearofpopvol1]

Gomes' defense is beginning to haunt the Reds. UGH. That is very frustrating.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wow. Stubbs and Gomes run into each other and no one makes what should have been an easy catch.

[durl]

Unbelievable!!! Gomes blew that one. That should never happen on such a easy fly-out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cabrera took a shot on a pickoff try at 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Now 4-0 Cards and with Wainwright pitching that game is pretty much over.

[Reds Fanatic]

Desmond singles to left. The throw home is way off line and the Nationals lead 3-2.

[TheNext44]

Did they give Stubbs an error in that play? He did everything right. Gomes has to let Stubbs catch that.
If anything, Stubbs had too good of range on that play.

[oneupper]

Sloppy Play = Losing baseball.

[Reds Fanatic]

Del Rosario makes a good stop on the bunt looks to 3rd. No one is there covering 3rd. They throw to first and it looks like Phillips hurt his arm/hand as the runner ran into him.

[fearofpopvol1]

Did they give Stubbs an error in that play? He did everything right. Gomes has to let Stubbs catch that.
If anything, Stubbs had too good of range on that play.

It was in Gomes' territory and Gomes was in front of it. It should've been his, but he was too worried about colliding with Stubbs.

[RedsMan3203]

Are you kidding me...

[edabbs44]

It was in Gomes' territory and Gomes was in front of it. It should've been his, but he was too worried about colliding with Stubbs.

Yeah, just rewatched and Gomes was camped under it.

[fearofpopvol1]

What the heck was Stubbs thinking? He was very un-aggressive about throwing the ball to the plate. What were you thinking?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Crappy luck. The throw hits the mound and bounces off to let him score. 4-2

[Reds Fanatic]

Sac fly makes it 4-2. The throw at first looked good but hits the mound. What a nightmare this inning has been.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Who just got tossed? Brantley's almost impossible to follow this inning. Sheesh. Joe West just threw somebody out...no clue who.

[RedsManRick]

Man... can't catch a break this inning. I think Stubbs would've had him. Joe West to the rescue?

[fearofpopvol1]

Sac fly makes it 4-2. The throw at first looked good but hits the mound. What a nightmare this inning has been.

Stubbs did not throw the ball very aggressively at all.

[Reds Fanatic]

Desmond got tossed.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Absolutely terrible by Stubbs. It was like he didn't think the runner was actually going to tag up and try for home. He didn't rush the throw at all ... way too casual. At least the runner is out at third, but Stubbs cost the Reds a run by mentally loafing.

[oneupper]

Desmond out? Tag or appeal?

[RedsManRick]

Who just got tossed?

Desmond - the runner who ended up at 3B. I'm guessing he used some choice language in his protest of the calling being changed.

Looks like Desmond was off the bag, but he could have an argument that Rolen inadvertently push his foot off the bag while making the tag...

[durl]

Came off the bag at 3B, apparently.

[CTA513]

So which team is the Nationals tonight?

[guttle11]

Uh, what the heck just happened? Country Joe being Country Joe. Desmond must have said something very bad, very quickly.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Thanks guys.

[oneupper]

Came off the bag at 3B, apparently.

Its 4-2, right? TV showing 3-2

[_Sir_Charles_]

Yeah, 4-2. Gameday's still showing 3-2 too.

[Reds Fanatic]

Basically what happened is Desmond slid into 3rd his momemtum took him off the bag for a second and Rolen tagged him. It looked like Desmond was trying to call time but he was already out.

[durl]

Did a slow-mo on the DVR. Desmond's foot slid off the bag and Rolen put the tag back down. I believe the Nats want to say that he was pulled off but it's CLEAR that Rolen didn't do that.

[Reds Fanatic]

Drew Storen in to pitch

[RedsManRick]

The Nats announcers are saying that the call cannot be reversed since it as a judgment call and not a rules interpretation. I've never heard that before... is that founded in anything or are they just making it up?

[guttle11]

Desmond would have made that play. :thumbup:

[Reds Fanatic]

Infield hit for Bruce

[Blitz Dorsey]

Stubbs continues to get a free pass despite poor play.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bruce with an IF single to short.

[oneupper]

The Nats announcers are saying that the call cannot be reversed since it as a judgment call and not a rules interpretation. I've never heard that before... is that founded in anything or are they just making it up?

I'm remembering a trapped ball that was reversed in a REDS game. So no.

[RedsManRick]

Gomes with a 385 foot out to CF.

[GoReds]

Don't know if its fallout from the Gallaraga incident or what, but the aren't showing ANY replays at the ballpark.

[fearofpopvol1]

Stubbs continues to get a free pass despite poor play.

From who?? I don't see anyone cutting Stubbs a break. It was AWFUL. He has not played well in the OF tonight.

[Reds Fanatic]

The Nats announcers are saying that the call cannot be reversed since it as a judgment call and not a rules interpretation. I've never heard that before... is that founded in anything or are they just making it up?

That makes no sense. I have never heard of that. I don't know why they could not reverse the call.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Stubbs continues to get a free pass despite poor play.

? You mean the error? Or the throw to the plate?

He's been on base all three times tonight.

[durl]

Gomes needed to do something to atone for that terrible blunder that gave the Nats the lead. A fly-out ain't it.

[Reds Fanatic]

Stubbs grounds into a 6-4 FC.

[edabbs44]

That makes no sense. I have never heard of that. I don't know why they could not reverse the call.

They were saying that the other umps, who were across the field, must have reversed it b/c the one who was right there called him safe. And that those guys shouldn't have been able to reverse.

[TheNext44]

The Nats announcers are saying that the call cannot be reversed since it as a judgment call and not a rules interpretation. I've never heard that before... is that founded in anything or are they just making it up?

Well if it's Dibble, we can't expect him to understand the rules Carpenter, the pbp guy is even worse.

[RedsManRick]

They were saying that the other umps, who were across the field, must have reversed it b/c the one who was right there called him safe. And that those guys shouldn't have been able to reverse.

But if they tell him that they saw a tag applied while the guy was off the base, can that guy reverse his own call. I realize it's semantics, but I don't think the 3rd base umpire was being overruled per se'.

[Reds Fanatic]

They were saying that the other umps, who were across the field, must have reversed it b/c the one who was right there called him safe. And that those guys shouldn't have been able to reverse.

It makes sense that the one closest should have been in the best position to call it but if he asked for help or maybe one of others ump saw him come off the bag they should be able to reverse it.

[TheNext44]

They were saying that the other umps, who were across the field, must have reversed it b/c the one who was right there called him safe. And that those guys shouldn't have been able to reverse.

Many times, the umps will overturn an ump whose call it is, if he was blocked, not positioned well, or just didn't get as good a look as another ump. So they are wrong about that.

[Blitz Dorsey]

From who?? I don't see anyone cutting Stubbs a break. It was AWFUL. He has not played well in the OF tonight.

I noticed you saw the same thing I did with the lazy throw on the tag up. I shouldn't say everyone is giving him a free pass; I just feel most Reds fans do. The guy just doesn't do it for me. He's fast. Period.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hernandez strikes out swinging on a 96 MPH fastball. 4-2 Nationals mid 8th

[TheNext44]

Reds should be ahead now, but have no one to blame but themselves for being behind.

[CTA513]

Anyone know when Clippard will be a free agent?

[TheNext44]

It was in Gomes' territory and Gomes was in front of it. It should've been his, but he was too worried about colliding with Stubbs.

It always the centefielders ball unless you don't hear him call for it. The replay clearly showed Stubbs screaming off Gomes, but Gomes just didn't hear him. Centerfield is the captian of the outfield and the lf and rf always have to defer to him.

I think on that play Gomes never thought that Stubbs could reach it, but he was just as camped under it as Gomes

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice play by Cabrera to save a possible error on a 2-6 FC.

[alloverjr]

Del Rosario less than impressive in his short tenure in the bigs, but he's not alone in this bullpen. Clock seems to be striking 12 on this team. It is June after all. ;)

[Cedric]

Call it dramatic if you want... Del Rosario pitching in high leverage situations is a sign of where this team is headed.

The guy looks AAA at best.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rhodes in to face Dunn

[TheNext44]

Whose hit the ball hard against Del Roserio? He's not striking fear in the hearts of the hitters, but they are getting good swings against him either. He looks a lot better than some of the other guys in the pen so far this year, imo

[alloverjr]

Whose hit the ball hard against Del Roserio? He's not striking fear in the hearts of the hitters, but they are getting good swings against him either. He looks a lot better than some of the other guys in the pen so far this year, imo

Fairly low barometer.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn strikes out swinging. 4-2 Nationals after 8.

[Degenerate39]

Rally Onion time?

[Reds Fanatic]

Pinch hitter, Cabrera and Phillips due up.

[RedsMan3203]

John Wooden just passed away at the age of 99.

[Degenerate39]

Please tell me Nix won't pinch hit. He won't get a hit

[oneupper]

Please tell me Nix won't pinch hit. He won't get a hit

He will and he won't

[Reds Fanatic]

Matt Capps in to pitch and Nix is pinch hitting

[_Sir_Charles_]

John Wooden just passed away at the age of 99.

*sigh* RIP Coach. It seemed like Wooden would go on forever. It's been a sad week.

[alloverjr]

He will and he won't

:D

[Reds Fanatic]

Nix singles to left.

[Degenerate39]

Thank God I was wrong!

[TheNext44]

When he was a Pirate, Capps had problems with the Reds.

[alloverjr]

ball 3

[Reds Fanatic]

Cabrera flies out to left on a 2-0 count.

[VR]

Phillips and Ocab both swing at balls.

[Tom Servo]

alright, up to the heart of the lineup here.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bloop single to right for Phillips. His 3rd hit of the night. 1st and 2nd.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Way to go Brandon! 1st & 2nd now for Votto.

What's that smell? My eyes are tearing up. :O)

[fearofpopvol1]

Phillips coming through with a single. 1 out, runners on 1st and 2nd, Votto up. Come on Joey!

[klw]

I took my contacts out without realizing my glasses are upstairs. If something happens please type really large so i can read it.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto strikes out looking.

[fearofpopvol1]

Votto strikes out looking. Boo. Heckuva a pitch though.

Can Rolen save the day? A double would probably tie it.

[TheNext44]

Keels more excited about Votto called looking than any homer the Reds ever hit

[Tony Cloninger]

Hoe did Joey miss that 2nd pitch? Even Dibble said he should have hit that out of the park.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Votto K's Just for you klw.

[Tom Servo]

damn

[fearofpopvol1]

Nope...terrible swing by Rolen to pop out at the plate. Nats win. That game sucked.

[edabbs44]

fudge

[Reds Fanatic]

Rolen fouls out to the catcher. Reds lose 4-2.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Crud. Pop out to end it.

[Reds Fanatic]

With the Cards up 7-0 the Reds are back in 2nd place.

[fearofpopvol1]

With the Cards up 7-0 the Reds are back in 2nd place.

Make it 8-0

[Cedric]

Cabrera hacking was the key to that inning failing. He allowed Capps to settle down and get back into rhythm.

Just one game and it happens... Get um tomorrow.

[RedsManRick]

Plenty of blame to go around but you can bet Jonny Gomes isn't feeling too hot right now.

[klw]

Votto K's Just for you klw.

Thanks I could have done without reading that but the thought was appreciated.

[VR]

It was in Gomes' territory and Gomes was in front of it. It should've been his, but he was too worried about colliding with Stubbs.

That's the centerfielder's ball 100 times out of 100. You always defer to your best defender when he calls for it.....especially when it's right between them.

Gomes has given it up in the last two losses.

[Degenerate39]

I think the Reds take the next two games

[alloverjr]

Plenty of blame to go around but you can bet Jonny Gomes isn't feeling too hot right now.

The whole team took a dump. Only Rhodes did his job.

[CTA513]

Can't play sloppy baseball and expect to win even if it's against a bad team.

[alloverjr]

That's the centerfielder's ball 100 times out of 100. You always defer to your best defender when he calls for it.....especially when it's right between them.

Gomes has given it up in the last two losses.

Nix tomorrow?

[Cedric]

I sure as hell hope Gomes plays tomorrow. It's not like Nix is exactly hot right now.

[Tony Cloninger]

They better win the next 2....or else I will just believe it's like last year again.
Same June swoon.