6-13-10 Royals @ Reds

[RedsManRick]

The Good Guys
Cabrera SS
Cairo 3B
Votto 1B
Gomes LF
Bruce RF
Henandez C
Stubbs CF
Janish 2B
Sam LeCure P

Not sure about the Rolen/Phillips situation, but Phillips was in the initial lineup.

[RedsMan3203]

Probably just a day game after night game type deal for Rolen.

Phillips was taken out due to a knot in his leg, besides he has started every game this year.

[kaldaniels]

1 HBP today. Over or under?

[Screwball]

1 HBP today. Over or under?

Even. And I find it funny Dusty doesn't have Janish at SS. Janish is clearly the superior shortstop.

[guttle11]

Even. And I find it funny Dusty doesn't have Janish at SS. Janish is clearly the superior shortstop.

You're not going to bump Cabrera to second for one game. It would probably do more harm than good.

[KoryMac5]

Dusty rolling out the Sunday Special today.

[kaldaniels]

Dusty needs to space out the Sunday special...there are other days of the week.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Probably just a day game after night game type deal for Rolen.

I've got no problem with that, but why don't they ever do that for Cabrera? I'm just baffled by that logic. They're BOTH 35 and play positions that require fresh legs. Rolen's had 10-12 games where he hasn't started (he got in some as a ph'er though), whereas Cabrera's had like 5 games without starting. Seems odd to me.

[nate]

The best damn Reds chat is open for business!

[nate]

Apologies to GG for my language!

[Screwball]

You're not going to bump Cabrera to second for one game. It would probably do more harm than good.

By playing a better defender at the most important INF position? I doubt that. I think Dusty's just worried about hurting Cabrera's pride more than anything.

[Screwball]

I've got no problem with that, but why don't they ever do that for Cabrera? I'm just baffled by that logic. They're BOTH 35 and play positions that require fresh legs. Rolen's had 10-12 games where he hasn't started (he got in some as a ph'er though), whereas Cabrera's had like 5 games without starting. Seems odd to me.

Rolen's been injured the last few years. Cabrera's played 161, 160, and 160 again in his last three seasons.

[Reds Fanatic]

Posednik grounds out to LeClure

[Screwball]

FSN claims Scott Podsednik is Freddy Sanchez. Thank God that's not true.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kendall flies out to right. 2 outs.

[reds44]

It's softball jersey today at the ballpark!

[Reds Fanatic]

DeJesus walks.

[Homer Bailey]

LeCure's awful control continues.

[Screwball]

DeJesus saw 9 pitches that at bat. OPSing ~.840 on the season.

[Screwball]

LeCure's awful control continues.

I'm not one to accuse LeCure of having great command, but that was a good at bat by their 3-hole hitter. He fouled off a bunch of pretty good pitches.

[Reds Fanatic]

Butler lines a single to left center. 1st and 3rd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Guillen singles to left. 1-0 Royals. 1st and 2nd.

[Homer Bailey]

Lecure serves up a meatball to Guillen. Missed badly on that breaking ball.

[Blitz Dorsey]

This would have been the perfect day to target as Aroldis' debut. LeCure is working on borrowed time -- his stuff is far below average for MLB standards. This is a horrible matchup for the Reds today. Our AAA pitcher against the Royals' ace who is WAY overdue for a win.

[Screwball]

Lecure serves up a meatball to Guillen. Missed badly on that breaking ball.

Sure did. All this business coming with 2 outs.

[Big Klu]

It's softball jersey today at the ballpark!

I actually like the red jersey. The Reds don't overdo it by wearing it too often, so it's a nice change of pace. (They only wear it for day games.) I wish they would occasionally wear it on the road, though--maybe for day games on the road.

[Reds Fanatic]

Betemit strikes out swinging. 1-0 Royals mid 1st.

[Screwball]

Nice slider from LeCure to get Betemit swinging.

Cabrera, Cairo, and Votto now get to face the great Zack Greinke.

[Blitz Dorsey]

They wear the all-Red unis for Sunday home games ... not all home day games.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I just checked out the Nats/Indians game and I noticed something that really surprised me. They're playing with the AL DH rules and Dunn is NOT their DH? Zimmerman is. Why on earth wouldn't they have Adam DH? His D at 1st is atrocious.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Good start. OCab lines a single to RC.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cabrera lines a single to right center.

[Doc. Scott]

I just checked out the Nats/Indians game and I noticed something that really surprised me. They're playing with the AL DH rules and Dunn is NOT their DH? Zimmerman is. Why on earth wouldn't they have Adam DH? His D at 1st is atrocious.

And Zimmerman is a Gold Glove candidate at 3B, too.

[Big Klu]

They wear the all-Red unis for Sunday home games ... not all home day games.

Actually, they have been wearing them for all home day games (except for Opening Day) for the last couple of years.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Greinke is certainly better than 1-8, but he HAS struggled compared to last season. He's had several outings where he's gotten shelled.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cabrera steals 2nd and goes to 3rd on a horrible throw by Kendall

[Doc. Scott]

Cabrera steals 2nd and goes to 3rd on a horrible throw by Kendall

Man. That's the second horrible Kendall throw in the series.

[_Sir_Charles_]

"steals" second? He was stopping...and heading back to 1st. He should've been dead to rights.

[Homer Bailey]

Well done Miguel! Take that every time.

[Screwball]

Reds got some moxie. Waste no time tying it up at 1.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cairo grounds out to short. Tie game. 1-1.

[Homer Bailey]

"steals" second? He was stopping...and heading back to 1st. He should've been dead to rights.

Pretty obvious that was a hit and run.

[Blitz Dorsey]

That is big to get a run and tie the game. Don't want to let Grienke get in a groove or he could be lights out.

[Homer Bailey]

Votto! Gone!!!!

[Redsfan320]

I wish they would occasionally wear it [the red uniform] on the road, though--maybe for day games on the road.

Or, wear a black uniform as a road alternate. All black with a red "C", but just the wishbone C not the C with the word "REDS" in it.

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[_Sir_Charles_]

Pretty obvious that was a hit and run.

I agree.

[Blitz Dorsey]

WHHHHHOOOOOOHOOOOOO! Votto big fly!

[Screwball]

Votto goes deeep to LF!!!

HR #12 for him.

[RedsMan3203]

Votto :jump:

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto homers to left!! 2-1 Reds.

[Big Klu]

I just checked out the Nats/Indians game and I noticed something that really surprised me. They're playing with the AL DH rules and Dunn is NOT their DH? Zimmerman is. Why on earth wouldn't they have Adam DH? His D at 1st is atrocious.

I seem to recall something that was discussed when he was a Red that Dunn doesn't like to DH.

[_Sir_Charles_]

LOL. I was JUUUUUST about to type that Votto's overdue for a dinger. :O) :jump:

[Matt700wlw]

Hello, Joey :jump:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Votto goes deeep to LF!!!

HR #13 for him.

12 actually.

[Blitz Dorsey]

I seem to recall something that was discussed when he was a Red that Dunn doesn't like to DH.

Yeah, but he doesn't like to strike out, but still doesn't plenty of that. :D

[Screwball]

12 actually.

You are correct, sir.

Greinke just hit 96 on the gun. Didn't know he threw that hard.

[HeatherC1212]

Hmmmm, just going out on a limb but I think Joey is coming out of his slump. :p:

:jump:

[_Sir_Charles_]

HR balls continue to hurt Greinke. 11 I think off him this year.

[Blitz Dorsey]

13th is coming later in this game. That's what he meant.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Gomes gassed. Two down.

[_Sir_Charles_]

13th is coming later in this game. That's what he meant.

:beerme: Well played Blitz. :O)

[Reds Fanatic]

Gomes strikes out swiniging on a 97 MPH fastball.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce grounds out to 1st on the first pitch. 2-1 Reds after 1.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Good first inning. Need a win here today before the always-dreaded West Coast trip.

[HeatherC1212]

Joey doesn't want Jonny to have all the HR fun this weekend. :D

BTW-I was at the game last night and while it was hotter than all get out, it was also a really fun time. The crowd was electric and it's the second game now that my mom has come to where the Reds scored a double digit in runs. I think she needs to go to more games, LOL :laugh:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Strasberg gives up a dinger to Hafner. I really don't like this kid for some reason. Not sure why. Maybe it's all the ridiculous hype. But I'm hoping he struggles mightily this year. Them tossing out his first pitched ball to save it for cooperstown just rubbed me the wrong way I guess.

[oneupper]

Man. That's the second horrible Kendall throw in the series.

Kendall has some arm trouble. Throws have been too terrible to consider anything else.

[TheNext44]

Not that I feel too sorry for Zach, but he finally gets a run for the first time in 5 games, and then in the first inning, he gives up the lead. That's gotta be tough.

[reds1869]

Fun first inning. Too bad Time Warner is asleep at the controls and I don't have an HD feed. Nothing worse than the "dramatic music HD Sports ad" playing on a loop when the game is on. Sometimes I get really tired of that...happened when I had satellite as well.

[HeatherC1212]

Strasberg gives up a dinger to Hafner. I really don't like this kid for some reason. Not sure why. Maybe it's all the ridiculous hype. But I'm hoping he struggles mightily this year. Them tossing out his first ball to save it for cooperstown just rubbed me the wrong way I guess.

I kind of feel the same way. I understand that he's a great pitcher but he's not curing cancer or stopping the oil leak in the gulf so just chill out until, I don't know, he actually has more starts than Mike Leake? :p:

[Screwball]

Strasberg gives up a dinger to Hafner. I really don't like this kid for some reason. Not sure why. Maybe it's all the ridiculous hype. But I'm hoping he struggles mightily this year. Them tossing out his first pitched ball to save it for cooperstown just rubbed me the wrong way I guess.

I'm with you. I was put off by ESPN's updates of his Minor League stats unless, of course, he did poorly. Way over the top if you ask me.

[Reds Fanatic]

Betancourt strikes out swinging.

[Big Klu]

Or, wear a black uniform as a road alternate. All black with a red "C", but just the wishbone C not the C with the word "REDS" in it.

320

No, I would prefer the same red jersey that they wear at home. Black uniforms (especially when black isn't a team color) was a 90's fad (like the god-awful :bredscap: ). It's one thing if the Pirates or Giants want to wear black jerseys, but entirely another if the Reds wear them.

[Reds Fanatic]

Getz flies out to right.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I kind of feel the same way. I understand that he's a great pitcher but he's not curing cancer or stopping the oil leak in the gulf so just chill out until, I don't know, he actually has more starts than Mike Leake? :p:

Exactly. Is it just me or do they save the first pitched ball from every pitcher to send to cooperstown...just in case? That just seems unbelievably arrogant to me.

[Screwball]

Good thing Getz has a noodle bat. I thought that one was gone.

[Degenerate39]

Strausburg has 4 k's and gave up a dinger to Hafner

[Reds Fanatic]

Greinke lines out to right. 2-1 Reds mid 2nd.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Solid 3 up 3 down from LeCure. Now for some add-on!

[Redsfan320]

No, I would prefer the same red jersey that they wear at home. Black uniforms (especially when black isn't a team color) was a 90's fad (like the god-awful ). It's one thing if the Pirates or Giants want to wear black jerseys, but entirely another if the Reds wear them.

I'm young. I want more black. Seems that the old schoolers, who remember the BRM days, like as little black as possible. Just a difference of opinion, I guess.

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[Big Klu]

Fun first inning. Too bad Time Warner is asleep at the controls and I don't have an HD feed. Nothing worse than the "dramatic music HD Sports ad" playing on a loop when the game is on. Sometimes I get really tired of that...happened when I had satellite as well.

I don't have HD, but I have the game! :D

[TheNext44]

Exactly. Is it just me or do they save the first pitched ball from every pitcher to send to cooperstown...just in case? That just seems unbelievably arrogant to me.

That's beyond arrogant, unless every team does it for every pitcher. And did Cooperstown ask for it or did the Nat's do it just in case?

[HeatherC1212]

Exactly. Is it just me or do they save the first pitched ball from every pitcher to send to cooperstown...just in case? That just seems unbelievably arrogant to me.

I don't know if they do or not. Does anyone know if they asked for anything from Mike Leake's first start? It does seem a little arrogant but I don't know how all that stuff works. I'm still more impressed with Leake's performance this year after spending NO time in the minors over this guy who had time to sharpen his pitching and playing skills in the minors before pitching against the lowly Pirates in his first start. At least Leake had to deal with the Cubs for his first start....of course this was back when we thought they were going to be a better team but it was still harder, LOL :laugh:

[RedsMan3203]

I have HD, and I have the game! :D

[WebScorpion]

Good first inning. Need a win here today before the always-dreaded West Coast trip.
You mean the one where LA comes GABP Tuesday thru Thursday? :confused: Or the one after that where we head to Seattle? ;)

[Screwball]

LeCure with 39 pitches through 2, and he's got 1-2-3 coming up next inning.

[Reds Fanatic]

That's beyond arrogant, unless every team does it for every pitcher. And did Cooperstown ask for it or did the Nat's do it just in case?I have a feeling Cooperstown probably asked for it. Usually when they make a point to collect something like that Cooperstown has made a request for it.

[Screwball]

I have HD, and I have the game! :D

Still not getting the game in HD. Just called TWC asking how they can justify me paying for this. Their response was laughable.

[_Sir_Charles_]

That's beyond arrogant, unless every team does it for every pitcher. And did Cooperstown ask for it or did the Nat's do it just in case?

I don't know. That's why I was asking. It just really irritated me when they said that. I know he's a talented young pitcher...but come ON.

[Doc. Scott]

That's beyond arrogant, unless every team does it for every pitcher. And did Cooperstown ask for it or did the Nat's do it just in case?

Strasburg wasn't even making history technically. Leake was with the whole "straight to the majors" thing.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hernandez pops out to 1st.

[RedsMan3203]

Still not getting the game in HD. Just called TWC asking how they can justify me paying for this. Their response was laughable.

Just call and cancel... Lets see who is laughing then.... :beerme:

[Reds Fanatic]

Stubbs strikes out swinging.

[Doc. Scott]

Still not getting the game in HD. Just called TWC asking how they can justify me paying for this. Their response was laughable.

I'm sure they're taking your comments very seriously. Now, would you like to subscribe to the Atomic Wedgie Channel?

[Screwball]

Greinke consistently throws hard. He struck out Stubbs on a 96 mph heater.

[Big Klu]

I'm young. I want more black. Seems that the old schoolers, who remember the BRM days, like as little black as possible. Just a difference of opinion, I guess.

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"It's like, 'how much more black could this be?' and the answer is 'None. None more black." -- Nigel Tufnel

[Reds Fanatic]

Janish grounds out to 2nd. 2-1 Reds after 2.

[Reds Fanatic]

Posednik grounds out to short. 1 out.

[TheNext44]

"It's like, 'how much more black could this be?' and the answer is 'None. None more black." -- Nigel Tufnel

I think 320 wants Black turned up to 11 on the uniforms.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kendall strikes out swinging. 3 Ks for LeClure.

[Screwball]

LeCure's breaking stuff is decent. He gets Kendall swinging badly on a slider down and out of the zone.

[reds44]

I keep waiting for LeCure to get lit up.

[RedsMan3203]

LeCure's breaking stuff is decent. Gets Kendall swinging badly on a slider down and out of the zone.

A Young Harrang from 4 years ago type of stuff?

I like the kid.

Don't think he has that same fastball... But he is sneaky.

[Doc. Scott]

A Young Harrang from 4 years ago type of stuff?

I like the kid.

Lecure is more like Leake or Arroyo, not Harang. Aaron is/was more of a power pitcher, with an above-average fastball. Lecure doesn't go much over 90 (i.e. average) and relies on the breaking stuff as an out pitch, just like Team Hair.

[Screwball]

A Young Harrang from 4 years ago type of stuff?

I like the kid.

Pretty good comp, but his fastball isn't there. He sits in the upper 80s, whereas Harang dealt in the 90s.

[Big Klu]

I think 320 wants Black turned up to 11 on the uniforms.

For $5000, I'll build 'em an amp that goes to 12.

[TheNext44]

Turns out Cooperstown asked for Strasburgh's hat and a ball from the game. I don't think it was the first one. I have feeling they saved that for him, which I think most teams do for every major league debut.

Really dissapointed in Cooperstown by this, unless they asked for Cueto's hat and a ball from his debut, which was better than Strasburgh's.

[Reds Fanatic]

That 2-2 pitch was close.

[Reds Fanatic]

DeJesus walks.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Lecure is more like Leake or Arroyo, not Harang. Aaron is/was more of a power pitcher, with an above-average fastball. Lecure doesn't go much over 90 (i.e. average) and relies on the breaking stuff as an out pitch, just like Team Hair.

Okay, now THAT was funny. :D

[Doc. Scott]

I don't remember DeJesus having the camera eye normally, but he has it today.

[HeatherC1212]

Team Hair :laugh:

Nice catch Joey! :D

[RedsMan3203]

Now that's a catch!

[Doc. Scott]

Okay, now THAT was funny. :D

Stole it from Hal McCoy's blog this morning. Trademarked to Jonny Gomes.

[Kc61]

Pretty good comp, but his fastball isn't there. He sits in the upper 80s, whereas Harang dealt in the 90s.

Guys like Arroyo and Lecure need the fastball to be working well enough to keep batters honest.

Great catch by Votto.

[Reds Fanatic]

DeJesus walks fo the 2nd time.

Votto makes a great catch to end the inning. 2-1 Reds mid 3rd.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nice snag by Votto

[Screwball]

Guys like Arroyo and Lecure need the fastball to be working well enough to keep batters honest.


Yep, and he has to locate it well. He won't blow that cheese by a major league hitter.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Stole it from Hal McCoy's blog this morning. Trademarked to Jonny Gomes.

You, Hal, Jonny...whoever. Still funny as hell. :O)

[TheNext44]

I really hate when fans try to catch a ball that their home player is trying to catch in the stands. I mean, what's more important, a $10 ball or their team winning.

[RedsMan3203]

I really hate when fans try to catch a ball that their home player is trying to catch in the stands. I mean, what's more important, a $10 ball or their team winning.

10$ ball and TV Time... Duh

[Reds Fanatic]

LeClure strikes out swinging. 3 Ks for Greinke.

[Screwball]

10$ ball and TV Time... Duh

:laugh:

[RED VAN HOT]

LeCure's slider looks better today than in previous starts. Like others, I would like to see him touch 90 with the fast ball. If they start sitting on an 86 fast ball, it could be ugly.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cabrera flies out to left.

[HeatherC1212]

Someone last night attempted to catch a foul ball with their beer and it ended up splashing out onto about five people sitting around the guy. Probably annoying for those fans but it was funny for the rest of us as we saw it on the big screen, LOL :laugh:

[Reds Fanatic]

Cairo grounds out to 2nd. 2-1 Reds after 3.

[Big Klu]

I really hate when fans try to catch a ball that their home player is trying to catch in the stands. I mean, what's more important, a $10 ball or their team winning.

http://sportsgarage.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/bartman.jpg

[Screwball]

Cairo, like most batters, looks overmatched against Greinke.

Hold 'em down LeCure, the Reds have 3-4-5 due up next inning.

[Reds Fanatic]

Guillen flies out to the track in right.

[Reds Fanatic]

Betemit doubles to right.

[RedsMan3203]

Tony Gwynn anybody?

[JaxRed]

Anyone else think Bruce should have had that?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Tony Gwynn anybody?

Just a tad premature I'd say. Or do you mean his swing resembles Tony's (I don't see that either btw).

[Big Klu]

Tony Gwynn anybody?

Maybe George Brett, since the Reds are playing the Royals?

[Screwball]

Betemit doubles to right.

Betemit was out in front, but still hit it solidly. That's what poor location will do to you.

[HeatherC1212]

Nice catch by OCab!

[Big Klu]

Just a tad premature I'd say. Or do you mean his swing resembles Tony's (I don't see that either btw).

I think he was answering the AT&T Trivia Question.

[RedsMan3203]

OCab covers some ground! Wowz

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice running catch by Cabrera!

[Screwball]

Nice catch by OCab!

Janish would've had that. ;)

[HeatherC1212]

Janish would've had that. ;)

Hey, he's out there too so if they hit it to the other side of second base, Paul will get his chance too! :p:

[_Sir_Charles_]

I think he was answering the AT&T Trivia Question.

Oh, sorry...didn't see it. :O) I was wondering where he was going with that. :D

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hey, he's out there too so if they hit it to the other side of second base, Paul will get his chance too! :p:

He meant that if OCab hadn't called for it...Janish still would've got it. *grin*

[Screwball]

Walking Getz getz to Greinke.

[Reds Fanatic]

Intentional walk to Getz.

[Reds Fanatic]

Greinke out on a check swing ground out to LeClure. 2-1 Reds mid 4th.

[HeatherC1212]

That was an odd play but he didn't foul the ball off so it should be an out. Right?

[Screwball]

Threw Greinke 3 sliders to get ahead 0-2, then jammed him with a fastball. Pretty good pitch selection by Hernandez, IMO.

[RedsMan3203]

Seems like LeCure has plus breaking stuff.... Just needs to add some MPH's to his FB then?

[Doc. Scott]

Seems like LeCure has plus breaking stuff.... Just needs to add some MPH's to his FB then?

Yup. "Nurse, get this man some drugs!"

[Screwball]

Seems like LeCure has plus breaking stuff.... Just needs to add some MPH's to his FB then?

Yeah, but at this stage there is no adding MPH's to his fastball, only refining his command.

[HeatherC1212]

Thom's kids are too cute. :)

[Reds Fanatic]

LeClure has done very well in all his starts pitching with runners on base. He allows baserunners but he usually gets out of trouble without allowing many runs.

[Screwball]

Thom's kids are too cute. :)

Brantley may or may not be creeping them out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto flies out to right on the first pitch.

[WebScorpion]

LeClure has done very well in all his starts pitching with runners on base. He allows baserunners but he usually gets out of trouble without allowing many runs.
Sounds like the makings of a great middle reliever, no? :D

[Screwball]

2 pitches, 2 outs. Way to make him work.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gomes pops out to short on the first pitch.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ummm...guys? How about we see a couple more pitches.

[TheNext44]

That was an odd play but he didn't foul the ball off so it should be an out. Right?

I think the Royals thought the ball hit Zach, which would make it foul. Hard to tell if it did or not.

[HeatherC1212]

Hey guys, see a few pitches and make Greinke work a little bit more, all right? :eek:

[Big Klu]

Brantley may or may not be creeping them out.

Nah, they have been around him enough to know when Uncle Cowboy is teasing.

[WebScorpion]

Ummm...guys? How about we see a couple more pitches.

Yeah...we definitely prefer the bullpenners over this guy! :eek:

[Screwball]

Greinke hitting the black on Bruce. Tough to deal with that when he drops a nasty slider on top of things.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce strikes out. 4 Ks for Greinke. 2-1 Reds after 4.

[_Sir_Charles_]

11 in a row sat down by Greinke. We've GOT to make him work.

[Reds Fanatic]

11 in a row sat down by Greinke. We've GOT to make him work.

Greinke is through 4 on only 45 pitches.

[PuffyPig]

2 pitches, 2 outs. Way to make him work.

Nobody complains when Johnny jumps on a first pitch for a 3 run HR.

[RedsMan3203]

Wow... I stepped away to let the dog out and the inning is over... I didn't miss the answer to the Trivia question did I?

[Degenerate39]

45 pitches for Grienke

[HeatherC1212]

Scott Podsednik is leading off for the third time in the next inning. :eek:

I agree with what Cowboy was saying about Joey swinging at the first pitch a lot more this year but I don't think he does it consistantly so if I were a pitcher facing him, there really isn't a good strategy for him right now. If he sees a good pitch, he's going to go after it and if he doesn't see a good one, he lets it go by. He walked twice last night so I think he's seeing the ball better now. He probably doesn't want Zach getting ahead of him today.

[Reds Fanatic]

Posednik check swing ground out to short on the first pitch.

[WebScorpion]

Greinke is through 4 on only 45 pitches.
19 of those were in the first inning...26 pitches in the three innings since then. YIKES!! :eek: Take some pitches!

[Screwball]

Nobody complains when Johnny jumps on a first pitch for a 3 run HR.

I always complain about that. ;)

Point being, they didn't hit it hard and made quick outs. You want to work Zack Greinke's pitch count up. The longer he throws, the less chance the Reds have to score.

[RED VAN HOT]

LeClure has done very well in all his starts pitching with runners on base. He allows baserunners but he usually gets out of trouble without allowing many runs.

Good observation. LeCure seems to keep his composure well. He stays focused and does not expect too much of himself. It is a kind of inverse Cueto.

[fearofpopvol1]

45 pitches for Grienke

The Reds are not being patient with him.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kendall pops out to 1st.

[HeatherC1212]

I wouldn't mind seeing LeCure get another start against someone who isn't a former (or reigning) Cy Young winner just to give him some peace of mind! :p:

[RedsMan3203]

Once Homer comes back, I'd like to see LeCure head to the pen and see how well he does down there.

[PuffyPig]

I always complain about that. ;)

Point being, they didn't hit it hard and made quick outs. You want to work Zack Greinke's count up. The longer he throws, the less chance the Reds have to score.

When a pitcher like Zack is dealing sometimes taking a first pitch strike is playing into his hands.

Don't assume that talking pitches means letting balls go by.

The best pitchers thorw first pitch strikes, that's why they are the best.

[Reds Fanatic]

DeJesus singles to center.

[HeatherC1212]

DeJesus is a tool. I thought that last night too.

[Big Klu]

When a pitcher like Zack is dealing sometimes taking a first pitch strike is playing into his hands.

Don't assume that talking pitches means letting balls go by.

The best pitchers thorw first pitch strikes, that's why they are the best.

And sometimes the best pitch you are going to see is the first one.

[Reds Fanatic]

DeJesus steals 2nd.

[HeatherC1212]

Dangit. Butler is a tool too. :bang:

[Reds Fanatic]

Butler homers to right center. 3-2 Royals.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Crud. 3-2 KC. Lots of 2 out damage this series.

[Matt700wlw]

Well, poo.

[Tony Cloninger]

The problem is they are swinging based on his rep...not what he is actually doing....which is not throwing that many strikes. He is not Greg Maddux with the control. No one complains if they are good 1st pitches...not bad ones.

[Screwball]

When a pitcher like Zack is dealing sometimes taking a first pitch strike is playing into his hands.

Don't assume that talking pitches means letting balls go by.

The best pitchers thorw first pitch strikes, that's why they are the best.

Check Gameday. Votto and Gomes both swung at first pitches out of the zone, and both were easy outs. Unless he throws a meatball down the middle, make Greinke work.

It becomes paramount now that LeCure gave up the lead.

[HeatherC1212]

I honestly thought he popped that up with the way he hit it.

[Matt700wlw]

Royale with cheese.

[Homer Bailey]

LeCure not fooling anyone right now. Guillen rips one but foul.

[Reds Fanatic]

LeClure is up to 90 pitches.

[Reds Fanatic]

Diving stop by LeClure to end the inning. 3-2 Royals mid 5th.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Uh-oh. LeCure injured on that play I think.

[HeatherC1212]

Nice grab to get that last out by LeCure.

[Matt700wlw]

Now LeCure's hurt

[fearofpopvol1]

LeCure has not pitched a bad game, even with the 2 run jack. The problem is that the Reds has their hottest hitter sitting (Phillips) and their other great awesome bat (Rolen). Add to that that the team is hacking and not working any counts and it's not a good recipe for success.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Regardless of his stuff or lack there of, Sam did the job today of keeping us in the game against one of the best pitchers in the league. Now it's up to the bats to smack Zack around a bit.

[Reds Fanatic]

LeClure is hurt. Bullpen is warming up.

[Screwball]

Now LeCure's hurt

Stretched a couple rib muscles while diving for the come-backer. Nothing too serious, but his day is done.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Owings up warming.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hernandez bloop single to center.

[Matt700wlw]

Owings warming up in the bullpen

[WebScorpion]

Once Homer comes back, I'd like to see LeCure head to the pen and see how well he does down there.
My thoughts too...I don't think Lecure has anything to prove at AAA. The only way I'd want him sent down is if they want him to learn to pitch from the 'pen at the lower level. I think he'd fit well because he gives a different look from Hererra (Screwballer), Del Rosario (Sidearmer), Ondrusek (Fireballer), and Rhodes (Lefty). He may look a little like Owings, but I like him a bit better than Micah. I like Ondrusek and Masset coming in after Arroyo and/or Leake with Owings and LeCure coming in after Harang, Cueto, and/or Bailey. I think it gives different looks and makes it harder for opposing hitters to keep their timing consistent. :thumbup:

[TheNext44]

LeCure seems hurt. Whose doing well in AAA? Wood? Chapman had a good game last time, but he's still only at around 5 innings a game.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I'd think Maloney. Wait....LeCure is in the ODC?

[Screwball]

Stretched a couple rib muscles while diving for the come-backer. Nothing too serious, but his day is done.

Or is it?

[Reds Fanatic]

LeClure must be ok. Owings is sitting down and LeClure has his batting gloves on.

[Reds Fanatic]

Stubbs strikes out looking.

[RedsMan3203]

Or is it?

Owings sits back down... Seems like LeCure is coming back.

[Screwball]

LeClure must be ok. Owings is sitting down and LeClure has his batting gloves on.

Who's LeClure? ;)

[HeatherC1212]

LECURE. Sorry, I hate when names are spelled wrong. :p:

[Tony Cloninger]

Just rubbed some castor oil and tobacco juice and pound some Bud.

[Matt700wlw]

LeCure to hit, it appears.

[GOYA]

AAA starters are all doing pretty well. I'd send Maloney, then Wood.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Stubbs racking up the K's at an alarming rate the past week or so.

[TheNext44]

Thanks Goya :)

[Reds Fanatic]

Janish grounds into a FC. LeCure stikes out. 6 Ks. 3-2 Royals after 5.

[fearofpopvol1]

16 pitches for Greinke in the last 2 innings. Unbelievable.

[Screwball]

Ramon got a base knock, but other than that Greinke's mowing us down. He's in a dangerous groove right now, and I think we can only expect to score off their bullpen.

[Tony Cloninger]

Picks today to get back on track....great. Great to lose 2 out of 3 to the Royals at home. What with Frank White, Amos Otis, John Mayberry and George Brett all doing big damage.

[TheNext44]

Once Homer comes back, I'd like to see LeCure head to the pen and see how well he does down there.

Once Homer comes back, I'd like to see LeCure continue to start and Homer as the set up guy in the pen.

[Screwball]

Picks today to get back on track....great. Great to lose 2 out of 3 to the Royals at home. What with Frank White, Amos Otis, John Mayberry and George Brett all doing big damage.

Funny, here I thought it was the 6th inning.

[Reds Fanatic]

Betemit strikes out swinging. 4 Ks.

[Screwball]

Once Homer comes back, I'd like to see LeCure continue to start and Homer as the set up guy in the pen.

Not me. It takes him at least an inning to find his release point. Bullpen has trouble written all over it for Homer, IMO.

[Tony Cloninger]

I am an optimist 90% of the time..half the time.

[Reds Fanatic]

Betancourt flies out to right. 2 outs.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Strasberg with a 1 hitter through 5. 8 k's, 3 bb's, 1 run.

[Reds Fanatic]

Getz flies out to center. 3-2 Royals mid 6th.

[HeatherC1212]

Good inning by LeCure there. :)

[RedsMan3203]

Now LeCure is done for the day... 1-2-3 inning, 108 pitches on the day.

[Screwball]

Don't look now, but the Phillies are just about a .500 team. What happened to their offense?? It can't all be Jimmy Rollins.

[Reds Fanatic]

I would assume that is it for LeCure at 108 pitches.

Another solid start: 6 IP, 5H, 3ER, 3BB, 4 K.

[HeatherC1212]

Don't look now, but the Phillies are just about a .500 team. What happened to their offense?? It can't all be Jimmy Rollins.

I have a couple of friends in Philly and they're absolutely stunned that the team has fallen off the cliff lately. That offense has just bottomed out and I agree that it can't all be Jimmy Rollins. They're getting beat by pitchers who they normally beat up. It's so weird to see a great offensive team struggle so much. I hope they don't heat up during their upcoming series with us! :eek:

[WebScorpion]

Once Homer comes back, I'd like to see LeCure continue to start and Homer as the set up guy in the pen.
Homer would suck in the 'pen... No way that dude warms up quickly or pitches on back-to-back days. He pitches better keeping people off the base paths...he does not get better with men on. If Lecure stays in the rotation, Homer's best value will be as trade fodder. Lecure, however, has bullpen written all over him...his STRENGTH is his composure with men on base. The only thing to be discovered is if he can warm up quickly enough and pitch on back-to-back days. He's mentally tough, so I think he could do it...also I think he'd prefer staying in the big leagues to going back to AAA and remaining a starter. Homer would just sulk AND suck. All just my opinion, take it for what it's worth. :dunno:

[Reds Fanatic]

Cabrera pops out to 1st.

[HeatherC1212]

I think I read that LeCure has pitched out of the bullpen before and also that he would be willing to pitch there if it meant helping the Reds win games. I can't remember where I read that but I know it wasn't that long ago.

[Screwball]

Cabrera pops out to 1st.

Four straight fastballs, then drops a 2-2 slider on him. Dirty.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Don't look now, but the Phillies are just about a .500 team. What happened to their offense?? It can't all be Jimmy Rollins.

I fully believe that they had several players playing above their heads last season. It's not surprising me THAT much.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cairo singles to right.

[HeatherC1212]

Sweet. Cairo gets a hit and maybe Joey will see a few pitches in his next at bat before cranking another HR. :p:

[Tom Servo]

I would assume that is it for LeCure at 108 pitches.

Another solid start: 6 IP, 5H, 3ER, 3BB, 4 K.
I'd like to note that I can handle giving up a basehit to DeJesus and then a big fly to Butler. It's when you let guys like Yuniesky Betancourt beat you that I get really annoyed.

[Screwball]

Cairo's a beast.

:D

[_Sir_Charles_]

Time for #13?

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto flies out to the track in left.

[_Sir_Charles_]

nope. crud

[HeatherC1212]

Well, at least it wasn't the first pitch this time. ;)