6/15/10 - Reds vs Dodgers Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Lineups from Fay:


Cabrera ss
Phillips 2b
Votto 1b
Rolen 3b
Gomes lf
Bruce rf
Stubbs cf
Hernandez c
Harang p

[LincolnparkRed]

Anyone know when Hanigan should start a rehab assignment?

[cincrazy]

Nice to see Phillips back in there.

[reds1869]

Nice to see Phillips back in there.

Yes sir!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nice to see Phillips back in there.

Yep. I'm just not sure he SHOULD be back in there is all. Strained Hammy they're saying.

[nate]

The undisputed best Reds chat in this universe and two or three adjacent parallel universe is now open for bidness.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Wonderful start for Harang. Geesh

[redsfaninbsg]

Harang needs a miracle at this point to keep the game close early.

[reds44]

I know somebody will mention some stat about him not being horrible in his last whatever starts, but I have zero confidence in him to get people out.

[redsfaninbsg]

I know somebody will mention some stat about him not being horrible in his last whatever starts, but I have zero confidence in him to get people out.

Same here, I refuse to go to games that he pitches. He's an average pitcher against PIT and HOU but put him up against a real MLB team and you see what happens.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Not exactly a picture perfect start to the game for Aaron. *shudder*

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

The sooner this guy is shipped out the better. Why the Reds continue to watch this garbage start after start after start is mind-boggling.

He takes his team out of games before they ever even bat!

[redsfaninbsg]

3-0 already. Geez......

[alloverjr]

At least it appears that no one is there to watch it. Wow.

[redsfaninbsg]

At least it appears that no one is there to watch it. Wow.

I think a lot of fans are like me, if Harang is pitching I stay home. I will give him credit where credit is due, he's yet to give up a home run yet.:thumbup:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Obviously a bad start to the game for Aaron, but come on guys. Some of you are making it sound as if he's a AAA starter. Hearing Dusty talk about him as an "ace" still is frustrating, but he's still a decent starter to have around. But at this stage of his career, he's a #4 starter or so. And yes, he'd been much better lately.

[Matt700wlw]

Good ol' Harang :rolleyes:

[Gallen5862]

How did the Dodgers get their runs? Thanks for any PBP or inning summaries in advance.

[reds44]

The good news is we should see Jordan Smith pitch tonight.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Lead off double, walk, fly out, single to score 1, double to score 1, sac fly to score #3. Now a walk.

He CLEARLY doesn't have it tonight.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Harang is so bad that it's difficult to watch. He has nothing.

[reds44]

How did the Dodgers get their runs? Thanks for any PBP or inning summaries in advance.
Double
Walk
(Some out)
RBI single
RBI double
sac fly
walk

[Matt700wlw]

Rain please! A lot! :D

[toledodan]

Obviously a bad start to the game for Aaron, but come on guys. Some of you are making it sound as if he's a AAA starter. Hearing Dusty talk about him as an "ace" still is frustrating, but he's still a decent starter to have around. But at this stage of his career, he's a #4 starter or so. And yes, he'd been much better lately.



on a playoff team he's not a number 4 or 5 starter.

[PuffyPig]

The sooner this guy is shipped out the better. Why the Reds continue to watch this garbage start after start after start is mind-boggling.

He takes his team out of games before they ever even bat!

Maybe because in his last 9 starts he is 5-2 with a 3.93 ERA, 44-13 K/W ratio.

The most runs he's given up in any of those 9 games is 4.

[reds44]

Harang is so bad that it's difficult to watch. He has nothing.
The fun part tonight is he can't get anything over but his fastball, and he doesn't throw 97.

It really is batting practice.

[toledodan]

Rain please! A lot! :D



give us an update! is there a chance!!

[_Sir_Charles_]

on a playoff team he's not a number 4 or 5 starter.

Disagree. Things are blow out of proportion obviously because he's struggling so badly tonight. But when he's on, he's VERY good.

He'll have excellent games and stinkers, but on average he's a middle of the road starter and an innings eater. Not a bad thing to have.

[Gallen5862]

Hopefully The Reds offense can score alot of runs tonight or it get gets rained out before an official game.

[redsfaninbsg]

Disagree. Things are blow out of proportion obviously because he's struggling so badly tonight. But when he's on, he's VERY good.

You think Harang is VERY good when he's on? He's pitched in what my opinion the best he's capable of in the last nine starts and his era is still around 4. That's VERY good?

[Matt700wlw]

That's what the radar suggests.

[toledodan]

Disagree. Things are blow out of proportion obviously because he's struggling so badly tonight. But when he's on, he's VERY good.

if any pitcher is ON they are good. the problem with harang he is just stuck in the off position.

[PuffyPig]

on a playoff team he's not a number 4 or 5 starter.

Well the team we are fighting with has Suppan as it's #4 starter, #5 unknown.

[reds44]

Maybe because in his last 9 starts he is 5-2 with a 3.93 ERA, 44-13 K/W ratio.

The most runs he's given up in any of those 9 games is 4.
There it is! I knew somebody was going to do it eventually. Nevermind the fact his ERA for the year is well over 5 and his record the last two years was 12-31, lets pick out nine starts.

[RollyInRaleigh]

It's very hard to watch Harang pitch right now. Not only does he have nothing stuff, but his pace on the mound puts me to sleep. I can imagine what it does to his fielders.

[_Sir_Charles_]

You think Harang is VERY good when he's on? He's pitched in what my opinion the best he's capable of in the last nine starts and his era is still around 4. That's VERY good?

No, this is where we disagree. He wasn't "on" his last 9 starts. He was in between. I think we've all seen Aaron when he's ON his game. Just like we're seeing him off it tonight.

This isn't saying that I don't think he'll be the first guy we trade once Edinson becomes ready (or someone else).

[toledodan]

Well the team we are fighting with has Suppan as it's #4 starter, #5 unknown.

but he is there because of injuries not because he was top 5 coming out of the spring.

[reds44]

No, this is where we disagree. He wasn't "on" his last 9 starts. He was in between. I think we've all seen Aaron when he's ON his game. Just like we're seeing him off it tonight.

This isn't saying that I don't think he'll be the first guy we trade once Edinson becomes ready (or someone else).
Yeah he was on his game 3-4 years ago.

That Harang is long gone.

[_Sir_Charles_]

There it is! I knew somebody was going to do it eventually. Nevermind the fact his ERA for the year is well over 5 and his record the last two years was 12-31, lets pick out nine starts.

His era is over 5. Which is why I'm saying he's like a #4 starter or so. As for his record the last 2 years...let's not get into win loss record. I think everybody here knows how useless the "W" stat is.

[CTA513]

He doesn't have a pitch he can consistently throw for strikes other than his fastball.

[reds44]

His era is over 5. Which is why I'm saying he's like a #4 starter or so. As for his record the last 2 years...let's not get into win loss record. I think everybody here knows how useless the "W" stat is.
12-31 can't be ignored.

[Gallen5862]

Is the score 3-0? Have the Reds come up to bat yet?

[reds44]

Is the score 3-0? Have the Reds come up to bat yet?
Yes. Phillips is up with 1 out.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Yeah he was on his game 3-4 years ago.

That Harang is long gone.

Agreed. THAT Harang ain't coming back. But he's still a decent pitcher and a useful pitcher. He's HIGHLY overpaid for the production he's putting out the past 3 years, that's for certain. But his stats are still decent for a #4 or so.

[PuffyPig]

There it is! I knew somebody was going to do it eventually. Nevermind the fact his ERA for the year is well over 5 this year and his record the last two years was 12-31, lets pick out nine starts.

The last 9 starts, after a poor start, indicates he was trending in the right direction.

His ERA last year was 4.21.

You are looking at his first 4 starts this year, otherwise his ERA is around 4 for about 40 starts.

You are more guilty of doing what you claim I have done.

[reds44]

Agreed. THAT Harang ain't coming back. But he's still a decent pitcher and a useful pitcher. He's HIGHLY overpaid for the production he's putting out the past 3 years, that's for certain. But his stats are still decent for a #4 or so.
12-31 is decent for nobody. Reds are 5-8 when Harang starts this year (on the way to 5-9), and 31-20 when anybody else starts.

Harang has become a loser.

[PuffyPig]

12-31 can't be ignored.

A pitcher's record is a pretty ineffective way of rating a pitcher.

But I guess you would be benching that Greinke guy over in KC.

[reds44]

The last 9 starts, after a poor start, indicates he was trending in the right direction.

His ERA last year was 4.21.

You are looking at his first 4 starts this year, otherwise his ERA is around 4 for about 40 starts.

You are more guilty of doing what you claim I have done.
His ERA right now is 5.45. No cherry picking stats, no picking out the last 9 starts.

5.45=bad.

[_Sir_Charles_]

12-31 can't be ignored.

True, but it also shouldn't be looked at as the end-all, be-all either. That first season of struggles, he had one of the worst run supports in all of baseball and his other stats weren't that bad at all. I'm not saying he's great, but he was the recipient of some rather bad luck the past 2 years in addition to his struggles. W/L record is a bad stat to look at for Harang in particular IMO due to his odd support during that stretch.

[reds44]

True, but it also shouldn't be looked at as the end-all, be-all either. That first season of struggles, he had one of the worst run supports in all of baseball and his other stats weren't that bad at all. I'm not saying he's great, but he was the recipient of some rather bad luck the past 2 years in addition to his struggles. W/L record is a bad stat to look at for Harang in particular IMO due to his odd support during that stretch.
Who said it was the end all be all?

12-31=bad
5.45=bad

I'm missing the good here.

[reds44]

A pitcher's record is a pretty ineffective way of rating a pitcher.

But I guess you would be benching that Greinke guy over in KC.
Grienke has an ERA under 4 in the AL. Harang has an ERA of 5.45 in the NL.

Clearly comparable.

[redsfaninbsg]

I don't need stats to tell me what Aaron Harang is. I've seen every start he's made this season on his best days I felt like I was on pins and needles as he navigated through the lineup. Or, the team scored so many runs even he couldn't screw it up. He's not a good pitcher, guys aren't hitting texas leaguers off of him they are hitting line drives, they aren't hitting can of corn they are hitting home runs. Pitiful, I've had my feel of Harang it's time for him to go.

[PuffyPig]

Grienke has an ERA under 4 in the AL. Harang has an ERA of 5.45 in the NL.

Clearly comparable.

Hey it was you who was trumping his record as proving how bad he was.

[reds44]

Hey it was you who was trumping his record as proving how bad he was.
I was using record and ERA.

What else should I use? His ERA+ coming into tonight was 81, you know that's gonna get worse. His WAR is -0.2.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Harang has become a loser.

Ding ding ding ding ding

Harang is so "old Reds." He is part of the Encarnacion, Freel, Junior group that did nothing but lose here. He doesn't know how to win, and players like that have to be shipped out permanently if this team has any hope of turning the corner.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ding ding ding ding ding

Harang is so "old Reds." He is part of the Encarnacion, Freel, Junior group that did nothing but lose here. He doesn't know how to win, and players like that have to be shipped out permanently if this team has any hope of turning the corner.

Seriously? The guy who was 32-17 with 434 k's and a 3.75 era in '06 & '07? And he doesn't know how to win? Okay, whatever.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Seriously? The guy who was 32-17 with 434 k's and a 3.75 era in '06 & '07? And he doesn't know how to win? Okay, whatever.

2006 Reds/2007 Reds = zero pennant race, zero pressure

No, he doesn't know how to win.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Agree to disagree I guess.

[wally post]

Is there a game going on?

[Red in Chicago]

Ok boys and girls, lets keep this thread on today's game.

[Gallen5862]

How close is the rain? How did Harang do in the Second Inning?

[nate]

Harang strikes out the side!

[PuffyPig]

How close is the rain? How did Harang do in the Second Inning?

Two straight easy scoreless ininngs.

[mbgrayson]

Nice inning for Aaron there.... Ks Eitheir, Martinez, and Loney. Nice.

[BCubb2003]

It's the reverse jinx ...

[CrackerJack]

Should rain any minute

[CTA513]

Should rain any minute

If its going to rain I hope it rains before the 5th inning is over.

[redsfaninbsg]

3-0 LA going to the 4th. Where is the rain?

[CrackerJack]

3-0 LA going to the 4th. Where is the rain?

Lightning downtown now

[redsfaninbsg]

Harang dodges bullets to keep 3-0 going to the bottom of 4.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nice time for a DP there. Harang escapes without any damage. 3-0 after the top of the 4th.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Suppan loads the bases in the first. 2 down.

[CTA513]

Good job getting out of that inning, but the Dodgers blew a chance to add a 4th run after Harang moved Kemp from 1st to 3rd on 2 wild pitches.

[redsfaninbsg]

Lightning in the back ground at the game now.

[Gallen5862]

Is the game being stopped? Has anyone batted yet for the Reds in the Bottom of the 4th?

[redsfaninbsg]

Votto up now.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Suppan escaped it. Crud.

[redsfaninbsg]

Votto K's.

[Gallen5862]

The Reds need to be taking pitches. They need to delay the game before it becomes official.

[redsfaninbsg]

Reds down 1-2-3 in the fourth.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Kuroda's got it goin' tonight. I think that's 7 K's now for him.

[reds44]

Start raining dadgumit.

[Gallen5862]

Make some visits to the mound. Any signs of rain or lightening?

[_Sir_Charles_]

The Reds are in first place, I think I'd rather have their mindset being "we want to play because we're gonna win", not looking for a way out.

[reds44]

The Reds are in first place, I think I'd rather have their mindset being "we want to play because we're gonna win", not looking for a way out.
Definatley. However, my mindset is "please rain."

[_Sir_Charles_]

hehe.

[redsfaninbsg]

How it's not raining I have no clue, according to radar heavy stuff right over top of Cincinnati.

[_Sir_Charles_]

He (Stubbs) makes the OF look sooo easy to play. He just glides effortlessly.

[reds44]

Harang is doing everything he can to play for rain.

[redsfaninbsg]

Hit and run puts them first and third as the rain begins to fall.

[_Sir_Charles_]

He we go with the rain.

[reds44]

Yes!!!

[_Sir_Charles_]

They've GOT to stop it soon. Mercy

[redsfaninbsg]

We are now in a rain delay! Somebody explain the rules to me.

[Reds Fanatic]

Delay as the wind really picks up.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Yep. There we go.

[_Sir_Charles_]

You can just see the tarp being a problem with this wind. It's REALLY blowing out there.

[Matt700wlw]

And here we go!

[reds44]

I really doubt this gets rained out, but at least it'll make it a bullpen game. Cincy is gonna get destroyed, but it'll move few in a couple hours.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/recreation/golf/map/interactive/USOH0188

[Gallen5862]

How bad is the Rain and wind and lightening? Do you think it can be a rain out?

[redsfaninbsg]

If this game is rained out do they start over or pick up from here?

[reds44]

If this game is rained out do they start over or pick up from here?
I thought they'd restart it, but Fay just tweeted they'd resume it.

[redsfaninbsg]

I vaguely remember that rule being changed a few years back?

[Reds Fanatic]

http://i.imwx.com/web/radar/us_ind_closeradar_plus_usen.jpg

It looks like there are two storm systems. The one over Cincinnati now. Then a small break and a much larger system after that.

[alloverjr]

Already stopped raining in NKY. Unless there's something behind this I would expect them to play fairly soon (no radar in sight).

[reds44]

Already stopped raining in NKY. Unless there's something behind this I would expect them to play fairly soon (no radar in sight).
There's something behind it lol

[HeatherC1212]

Even if you're not a fan of the Red Sox at all, this video that they sometimes play during rain delays at Fenway is hilarious. Can we get Jonny Gomes and maybe Bronson, Mike Leake, or Jay Bruce, or a few other guys to do one for us?! :laugh:

Blame It on the Rain (<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/eymC5sozlfY&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/eymC5sozlfY&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>)

[Blitz Dorsey]

Cue the 90's grunge/rock band Garbage:

I'm only happy when it rains!

(Well, at least when we're losing 3-0.)

[Matt700wlw]

What inning is it?

[reds44]

What inning is it?
top 5

[Matt700wlw]

Top 5 means its not an official game. If it's called, they start over.

[toledodan]

The Reds are in first place, I think I'd rather have their mindset being "we want to play because we're gonna win", not looking for a way out.

after watching the reds lose 2 of 3 to the GOD awful royals and harang's effort tonight, let it RAIN!

[reds44]

Fay just tweeted storms wont pass until 10:45 at the earliest.

[redsfaninbsg]

Could be a long, long, night. Do they wait it out or finish it out tomorrow?

[toledodan]

please keep raining

[toledodan]

Could be a long, long, night. Do they wait it out or finish it out tomorrow?


it would be started over if its rained out!:thumbup:

[Reds Fanatic]

The 2nd wave looks like it is just about to hit Cincinnati. The rain goes back from Cincinnati all the way to the middle of Indiana.

[reds44]

Fay just tweeted he was wrong (shockingly) and the game would start over.

[Reds Fanatic]

They will wait a very long time tonight. If they don't play tonight it has to be a DH tomorrow because they will not want a DH on a travel day Thursday when Cincinnati already has a cross country trip to make.

[redsfaninbsg]

Since it would start over, I'm rooting heavily for rain, rain, rain!

[BCubb2003]

Which will win: Tri-state thunderstorm or the Dodgers' vibe-sending Russian?

[HeatherC1212]

Well, at least Touchdown Jesus can't be hit by lightning again tonight, LOL :laugh:

[VR]

Meanwhile, Jeff Suppan has his best start of the year going so far. 4ip/1run/4k's

Who's surprised?

[toledodan]

Meanwhile, Jeff Suppan has his best start of the year going so far. 4ip/1run/4k's

Who's surprised?

and the cards just took the lead!:thumbdown

[PuffyPig]

Meanwhile, Jeff Suppan has his best start of the year going so far. 4ip/1run/4k's

Who's surprised?

It's his 3rd start, not very hard to do.

[VR]

It's his 3rd start, not very hard to do.

Dang it...you punked me GOOD!

How about outing overall? Any takers?

[redsfaninbsg]

I'm no meteorologist but according to what I'm looking at it may rain for 2-3 more hours.

[Matt700wlw]

Fay just tweeted he was wrong (shockingly) and the game would start over.

I'm available, enquirer! :)

[Matt700wlw]

I'm no meteorologist but according to what I'm looking at it may rain for 2-3 more hours.

I could see that

[PuffyPig]

Dang it...you punked me GOOD!

How about outing overall? Any takers?

He's actually been taken out.

4 innings, 73 pitches, 2 walks, 1 HR, 4 hits.

It is what it is. Hung on and left before he got hit even harder.

[VR]

He's actually been taken out.

4 innings, 73 pitches, 2 walks, 1 HR, 4 hits.

It is what it is. Hung on and left before he got hit even harder.

Dave Duncan. Squeezing Cardinal Red blood out of turnips for years.

[redsfaninbsg]

Anybody got an update? I've got to work in the morning.

[toledodan]

He's actually been taken out.

4 innings, 73 pitches, 2 walks, 1 HR, 4 hits.

It is what it is. Hung on and left before he got hit even harder.

wish dusty would learn this

[HeatherC1212]

I can't believe they hoping to pick up this game again sometime around 11 PM tonight. That is one late night! :eek:

[PuffyPig]

wish dusty would learn this

He hadn't pitched in a while and was on a pitch count. Nothing to do with being removed before he gave up the inevitable runs. Larussa would never usually remove a pitcher who was getting results.

[redsfaninbsg]

I can't believe they hoping to pick up this game again sometime around 11 PM tonight. That is one late night! :eek:

Thanks for the update, I guess so much for the rain out.:thumbdown

[Reds Fanatic]

They are looking at probably another 40 minutes of rain at least. The warning track looked like a mud pit in that last update.

[redsfaninbsg]

Wonder how long until the field becomes un-playable?

[Reds Fanatic]

Wonder how long until the field becomes un-playable?They have a great drainage system at the stadium. I was at the game Saturday night and the conditions were perfect and then later I saw the pictures from earlier that day where the outfield was under water from a really severe storm and you would have never known they had that looking at the field that night. So the field drains quite well so they could probably still get it ready to play tonight.

[redsfaninbsg]

Are they still looking at 11 to restart?`

[HeatherC1212]

I haven't seen any updates anywhere. Nothing on Twitter, FSN is still showing The Final Score, and Fay's blog hasn't been updated either. I don't think anyone knows anything.

[Tornon]

Marty says they're starting in about 5 minutes

[CTA513]

Marty says they're starting in about 5 minutes

Harang coming back out?

:D

[Tornon]

Harang coming back out?

:D

No :P But they're going with someone just as tall

[edabbs44]

4-0...that was quick. Manny single.

[HeatherC1212]

Starting now with Ondrusek pitching who promptly gives up a hit to Manny and the Dodgers are up 4-0. I'm going to bed and not staying up late to watch this game. :eek:

[Screwball]

No :P But they're going with someone just as tall

Ondrusek to pitch to Manny with runners on 1st and 3rd, nobody out.

Just bring in Masset so we can all go to bed. ;)

[Blitz Dorsey]

Well, that sux. But in the words of the late Harry Caray...

LET'S GET SOME RUNS!!! (After we hopefully prevent the Dodgers from padding their lead.)

[HeatherC1212]

There is one out in this inning so a DP ball would be great.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Ondrusek to pitch to Manny with runners on 1st and 3rd, nobody out.

Just bring in Masset so we can all go to bed. ;)

Don't sell Ondrusek short. He can also make this a run-rule real quick. :D

[Matt700wlw]

Wow

[HeatherC1212]

Mad props to the folks who actually stuck around down at the ballpark tonight. :eek:

[Blitz Dorsey]

Mad props to the folks who actually stuck around down at the ballpark tonight. :eek:

Both of 'em!

[Matt700wlw]

Awesome.

[edabbs44]

Don't sell Ondrusek short. He can also make this a run-rule real quick. :D

Doing his best

[HeatherC1212]

I think the only people there are Dodgers fans.

[CTA513]

Harang could have done this.

[Ghosts of 1990]

Ongoonsek getting lit.

[Matt700wlw]

Perfect time for Owings and Dusty brings this guy on

[edabbs44]

Perfect time for Owings and Dusty brings this guy on

The guy who was walked 12 in his last 7+ innings? That guy?

[Matt700wlw]

Poop

[HeatherC1212]

Definitely time to head to bed. Good night everyone!

[Reds Fanatic]

That did not take long. 6-0 Dodgesrs.

[Screwball]

That did not take long. 6-0 Dodgesrs.

They've outhit the Reds 10-1. This team's pitching has gotten absolutely crushed the last 4 games.

[Spring~Fields]

LA Dodgers 5th Inning Summary

- R. Furcal singled to right
- R. Martin flied out to center
- A. Ethier singled to shallow right, R. Furcal to third
- L. Ondrusek relieved A. Harang
- M. Ramirez singled to shallow left, R. Furcal scored, A. Ethier to second
- J. Loney singled to shallow right center, A. Ethier scored, M. Ramirez to second
- M. Kemp struck out swinging
- C. Blake singled to shallow center, M. Ramirez scored, J. Loney to second
- B. DeWitt grounded out to second
- End of Inning (3 Runs, 5 Hits, 0 Errors)

Dodgers 6 Reds 0

[alloverjr]

Congratulations Walt, you've managed to assemble one of the worst staffs in the NL.

Oh, and Owings only pitches in games the Reds are down 6+ runs. Like now.

[Matt700wlw]

Owings could have easily done this, but he could at least eat innings

[Matt700wlw]

Owings with the stick

[CTA513]

K #8 for Reds hitters against a guy known for getting ground balls and not K's.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Stubbs should get benched for that. But I'm sure he'll get the free pass he always does.

[Screwball]

Stubbs should get benched for that. But I'm sure he'll get the free pass he always does.

I stopped watching. What happened?

[Matt700wlw]

Work it, Cabrera.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Congrats to Drew Stubbs for having no clue how many outs there were and costing the Reds a run! If our manager had any stones, he would have been pulled from the game (and benched for the foreseeable future).

[Blitz Dorsey]

I stopped watching. What happened?

Stubbs didn't know there were two outs and didn't score from second on Owings' single. Just awful.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Terrible. And Stubbs should be ashamed of himself.

[Matt700wlw]

Stubbs didn't know there were two outs and didn't score from second on Owings' single. Just awful.

Bench him.......?

[CTA513]

Terrible. And Stubbs should be ashamed of himself.

Hes probably crying thinking about all the harsh things people are saying about him on the internets.

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati 5th Inning Summary

- J. Bruce flied out to center
- D. Stubbs singled to shallow right
- R. Hernandez struck out swinging, D. Stubbs stole second
- M. Owings hit for L. Ondrusek
- M. Owings singled to shallow left, D. Stubbs to third
- O. Cabrera walked, M. Owings to second
- B. Phillips fouled out to shallow right
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 2 Hits, 0 Errors)

[Blitz Dorsey]

Hes probably crying thinking about all the harsh things people are saying about him on the internets.

Probably not as much as Buckley is about drafting him over Lincecum.

[Blitz Dorsey]

But if anyone wants to give Stubbs a free pass for not knowing how many outs there were and/or completely loafing, it wouldn't surprise me. If Phillips did that, there would be tar-and-feather conferences.

[VR]

Furcal has had more than his share of Reds wrecking games while with the Dodgers.

[Screwball]

Apparently the only way to get Rafael Furcal out is to catch him stealing.

[Spring~Fields]

LA Dodgers 6th Inning Summary

- M. Owings relieved L. Ondrusek
- R. Belliard hit for H. Kuroda
- R. Belliard flied out to center
- R. Furcal singled to shallow center
- R. Furcal caught stealing, catcher to second
- R. Martin struck out looking
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

Still Dodgers 6 Reds 0

[VR]

Just saw the Stubbs play...inexcusable. Wow.


Might be a good time for Dusty to have another 'focus' chat with the boys....they have a big week of baseball ahead of them.

[VR]

Furcal has had more than his share of Reds wrecking games while with the Dodgers.

Have I mentioned Furcal?

[Blitz Dorsey]

Just saw the Stubbs play...inexcusable. Wow.


Might be a good time for Dusty to have another 'focus' chat with the boys....they have a big week of baseball ahead of them.

Get ready for someone to defend him and rip you for telling the truth. Drew Stubbs is the chosen one. Don't you get it? He can afford to do things like not know how to count and not hit well.

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati 6th Inning Summary

- R. Troncoso relieved H. Kuroda
- J. Votto grounded out to shortstop
- S. Rolen grounded out to shortstop
- J. Gomes popped out to shallow left
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

[CTA513]

Get ready for someone to defend him and rip you for telling the truth. Drew Stubbs is the chosen one. Don't you get it? He can afford to do things like not know how to count and not hit well.

Nobody has even defended what Stubbs did.

[Matt700wlw]

Just saw the Stubbs play...inexcusable. Wow.


Might be a good time for Dusty to have another 'focus' chat with the boys....they have a big week of baseball ahead of them.

This is why Dusty hasn't deserved an extention. He's claimed this is his team. I'm fine with that. Results...

[alloverjr]

This staff is just flat good.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Bench him.......?

There is no question he should get benched for that. If you don't bench a player for that, what do you bench him for?

It wouldn't have made a difference in this game thanks to our craptastic pitching, but it's still inexcusable to not know how many outs there are and cost your team a run. And at the time, it was still a game. The Reds still had a chance.

[VR]

Harang, Ondrusek, and Owings are throwing meatballs up there like it's 2003.

[CTA513]

Janish should pitch the 9th so we can see if he can pitch better than what we have seen tonight.

[alloverjr]

Owings could have easily done this, but he could at least eat innings

and then some. ;)

[CrackerJack]

That smell is swoon I'm afraid...or a bullpen

[CTA513]

Owings just walked a guy that rarely ever bats due to him being a relief pitcher.

[VR]

Owings arm motion just makes for a goofy release point and trajectory on his balls. Instead of ball coming out like a bullet out of a rifle...it's more like a shotgun. Lots of movement, no control on where it's going.

[VR]

Owings just walked a guy that rarely ever bats due to him being a relief pitcher.

6 career at bats. 5 k's.

[CTA513]

The bullpen has already allowed 6 runs and thats not including the 2 runs that Ondrusek inherited and allowed to score.

[RedsManRick]

Talk about forgettable. Let's let the Dodgers get this out of their system and take the next 2.

[Screwball]

Furcal's 5-5. Alright Dodgers, we give up.

[Spring~Fields]

LA Dodgers 7th Inning Summary

- A. Ethier walked
- M. Ramirez homered to deep left, A. Ethier scored
- J. Loney doubled to shallow right
- M. Kemp singled to third
- C. Blake singled to shallow left, J. Loney to third, M. Kemp to second
- B. DeWitt struck out looking
- R. Troncoso walked, J. Loney scored, M. Kemp to third, C. Blake to second
- D. Herrera relieved M. Owings
- R. Furcal singled to left, M. Kemp and C. Blake scored, R. Troncoso to second

Dodgers 11 Reds 0

[VR]

Furcal had hit the Reds better than any other team in the Majors over the last 3 years....before tonights fireworks.

[WVRedsFan]

I guess we now know why the Rangers gave up DRH and the D-Backs laughingly shipped us Owings. For all the squawk about Owings' powress at the plate, he can't pitch for spit and DRH's slow stuff fools no one these days. Time to make some changes.

OTOH, if Reds pitching had allowed one run tonight, they'd still lose, so the point is probably moot.

[VR]

Stubby with his 2nd hit of the night.

(1 down Drew) :)

[WVRedsFan]

Everyone's hero, Paul Yan-ish flies out and the Reds remain scoreless.

Just one of those nights.

[Razor Shines]

Well Stubbs would have scored if that had fallen. He's learned his lesson, I'll give him a pass.

[Tornon]

I hate seeing hitting streaks end like this.. I wanted to see Phillips with another shot

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati 7th Inning Summary

- R. Johnson in left field
- J. Bruce struck out swinging
- D. Stubbs singled to shortstop
- R. Hernandez singled to shallow right, D. Stubbs to second
- D. Herrera struck out swinging
- P. Janish hit for O. Cabrera
Janish flied out

Changes
P. Janish at shortstop
- M. Cairo at second
- C. Heisey in left field
- C. Miller catching

[WVRedsFan]

DRH pitching batting practice.

[CTA513]

Votto and Rolen wondering what they did wrong to have to stay in the game with the B squad.

[Cedric]

DRH pitching batting practice.

He's just unlucky.

[WVRedsFan]

You know, I hate this. This team needs a serious bullpen transfusion. If the starting pitching fails and the team faces a tough pitcher, it's doomsday. This team will be 6-9 after being 10 over .500. A couple or three of those losses shoule have been wins, but they weren't and now we appear to be heading down that old lonesome path. It's really disappointing.

[Spring~Fields]

DRH pitching batting practice.

Where's the kid they just called up, 12-0 isn't a safe enough spot to see what he can do, if he can induce ground balls?

[Cedric]

Sure looks like DRH is pitching his last game here tonight. Just using up his innings and getting him out of here tomorrow.

[Cedric]

You know, I hate this. This team needs a serious bullpen transfusion. If the starting pitching fails and the team faces a tough pitcher, it's doomsday. This team will be 6-9 after being 10 over .500. A couple or three of those losses shoule have been wins, but they weren't and now we appear to be heading down that old lonesome path. It's really disappointing.

The starting pitching is just as big a problem.

[Spring~Fields]

LA Dodgers 8th Inning Summary

- P. Janish at shortstop
- M. Cairo at second
- C. Heisey in left field
- C. Miller catching
- A. Ethier flied out to deep center
- R. Johnson singled to shallow right center
- J. Loney doubled to shallow left, R. Johnson to third
- M. Kemp grounded out to third, R. Johnson scored
- C. Blake walked
- B. DeWitt grounded into fielder's choice, C. Blake out at second
- End of Inning (1 Run, 2 Hits, 0 Errors)

Dodgers 12 Reds 0



IP H R ER BB K HR
Harang 4.1 7 5 5 2 5 0
Ondrusek 0.2 3 1 1 0 1 0
Owings 1.1 5 5 5 2 2 1
Herrera 1.2 3 1 1 1 0 0

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati 8th Inning Summary

- G. Sherrill relieved R. Troncoso
- M. Cairo grounded out to shortstop
- J. Votto grounded out to first
- S. Rolen singled to shallow right center
- C. Heisey singled to shallow center, S. Rolen to second
- J. Bruce flied out to right
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 2 Hits, 0 Errors)

[CrackerJack]

Someone cue "Candle In The Wind" for Danny Ray's last performance.

[Spring~Fields]

LA Dodgers 9th Inning Summary

- J. Smith relieved D. Herrera
- J. Carroll hit for G. Sherrill
- J. Carroll flied out to center
- R. Furcal grounded out to second
- R. Martin doubled to right center
Ethier flied out

Dodgers 12 runs 19 hits
Reds 0 runs

[WVRedsFan]

Nah, CrackerJack. DRH will be back, albeit in rare appearances. I hate it for him because he seems like a nice kid, but name one reliever not named Rhodes who has been effective. As Cedric said, the starters are not doing much better these days. Who da thunk we'd be saying that? Of course, the offense was really horrible tonight too, but they needed this one and just couldn't do it.

[WVRedsFan]

Stubbs with his third hit.

[mbgrayson]

Probably about the worst all around drubbing of the year. Drink a six pack and forget about it for tomorrow...errr...later today.

[Spring~Fields]

Cincinnati 9th Inning Summary

- J. Carroll at shortstop
- J. Miller relieved G. Sherrill
- D. Stubbs singled to left
- D. Stubbs to second on fielder's indifference
- C. Miller struck out swinging
- L. Nix hit for J. Smith
- L. Nix struck out swinging
Janish grounded out

Final Dodgers 12 Reds 0 :thumbdown

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Must be June....in Cincinnati.

Same story, different year.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

By the way, Herrera, Ondrusek, and Owings are pretty much useless to this team.

Just saying.

[reds44]

By the way, Herrera, Ondrusek, and Owings are pretty much useless to this team.

Just saying.
Seriously, all of them are.

[Ron Madden]

Thanks for the inning summaries Spring Fields. :thumbup:

Not a very pleasant night down by the river. :(

[cumberlandreds]

By the way, Herrera, Ondrusek, and Owings are pretty much useless to this team.

Just saying.

IMO, you can add Harang to that list too. :(

[LincolnparkRed]

whatever they are doing during the rain delays, sure isn't working. The have been creamed the last two times. Small samples and all but still creamed.

[_Sir_Charles_]

By the way, Herrera, Ondrusek, and Owings are pretty much useless to this team.

Just saying.

You could post this in just about every game thread, just mix and match the names. For the past several weeks it's been people begging Dusty to use Owings much more because he's been so "effective". Since his most recent callup, people have been high on Ondrusek. This past week I've heard people calling for Burton & Bray...of course once they do get up here and struggle, they'll be added to the list as well.

Smith did well, but give him a week or so and he'll be on that list too. Masset, Cordero, Lincoln, Fisher, Del Rosario...they've ALL been on the list. Only one reliever hasn't given Reds fans anything to spank him about and that's Arthur.

We need to address the pen, and the answer is NOT in house. And it's CERTAINLY not converting a starter from Louisville.