2010 UC Football

[joshnky]

This sounds incredibly familiar to those of us who went through the Kragthorpe era. Sorry UC fans.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/id/14720/butch-jones-staying-the-course

Wow. It's amazing how much he sounds like Steve Kragthorpe. This could have been a direct quote of Kragthorpe:


Jones said there were things going on within the program that "Joe Public has no idea" about. He has also alluded to building a foundation.

Very similar situations overall. High expectations but underachieving relative to the talent. Whispers of "discipline problems" left by the other coach who is currently a popular scape goat. Several recruiting misses and sub-par classes. I predict you'll see several transfers and players kicked off the team this offseason as the coach "cleans house". Next thing you know you'll be fighting Syracuse for last place in the Big East. One advantage UofL had that UC does not is top notch facilities and a booming athletic department which made them attractive to potential coaching hires. UC football may never recover from this hire.

[bucksfan2]

Wow. It's amazing how much he sounds like Steve Kragthorpe. This could have been a direct quote of Kragthorpe:



Very similar situations overall. High expectations but underachieving relative to the talent. Whispers of "discipline problems" left by the other coach who is currently a popular scape goat. Several recruiting misses and sub-par classes. I predict you'll see several transfers and players kicked off the team this offseason as the coach "cleans house". Next thing you know you'll be fighting Syracuse for last place in the Big East. One advantage UofL had that UC does not is top notch facilities and a booming athletic department which made them attractive to potential coaching hires. UC football may never recover from this hire.

Or it could just be that UC was ready for a down year. There was a lot of talent that came off last season's roster. They were coming off of two BCS Bowl games, the only two in school history. Lets wait and see how Butch Jones does before we start calling him Kragthorpe.

[Slyder]

Or it could just be that UC was ready for a down year. There was a lot of talent that came off last season's roster. They were coming off of two BCS Bowl games, the only two in school history. Lets wait and see how Butch Jones does before we start calling him Kragthorpe.

Jones isnt even in the discussion for worst coach in the Big East, give him some time. I fully expect my Mountaineers to struggle (again) and lose (again) this week as we continue to see excuse, after excuse, after excuse from the biggest excuse in the league that is our coach and offensive cordinator.

There is always growing pains with new coaching staffs what I would look for is are they getting better overall with adjustments and preparation as the team and coach better figure out what works for them. You all lost a coach, top flight QB, and arguably your best WR ever thats a lot for any new administration to overcome. Its not like you all were Boise State and had 21 starters coming back. Plus your defense wasn't that great to begin with under Kelly.

I know, I know, theres no such things as "moral victories" but what do you see from this team besides one letdown game vs Syracuse?

[paintmered]

I see few playmakers on a defense of freshmen and sophomores that can't stop anybody and an offensive line that is inconsistent. I understand the fears that go along with Butch Jones, and I do share some of them. His public comments and excuses especially concern me. If you want to preach "Representing the C", isn't accountability for results a part of that? We've heard Cronin pump out excuses for four years and are sick of it. Also, I do hate the excessive chest bumping. Seriously, guys, just stop with it.

If you want to find reasons why UC is 3-5, here they are:

1) The defense can't stop any BCS team. Yes, they're young but I wonder if they have as high of a ceiling as the guys Dantonio had to work with in 2005. If you remember that season, UC was forced to start a bunch of freshmen. They sucked, but later a few of them turned into All-Americans and lead a stout defense. Combined with Huber's punting, they won games without any offense (see Rutgers, 2008). With this defense, UC will have to score 35 to have a shot. That's no guarantee because of the next item...

2) The offensive line. They're inconsistent. They played well against Louisville, Miami and Oklahoma. They've been poor in other games resulting in no run game and Collaros running for his life. And when Zach runs for his life, he forgets to throw the ball away and bad things happen. But at least he can throw the ball greater than 15 yards, unlike Chazz. That's the difference between South Florida and Syracuse. I don't know if it's the position changes, lack of bodies or what, but they've underperformed expectations.

3) Mental breakdowns. There have been too many penalties, missed assignments and personal fouls this season, seemingly at the worst moments.

So how much of this is on Butch? I don't know, and I doubt we'll know for another season or two. I do place the blame for item #3 on him. Discipline is a measure of well-coached team, and I'm not seeing it out of these players.

[Boss-Hog]

I'm now officially off the Butch Jones bandwagon. I can understand and expected some dropoff between the past two years and this one since it was obvious we were thin in some key areas, but 3-6 with back to back blowout losses? No way can I get behind or be OK with that.

[Reds4Life]

I'm now officially off the Butch Jones bandwagon. I can understand and expected some dropoff between the past two years and this one since it was obvious we were thin in some key areas, but 3-6 with back to back blowout losses? No way can I get behind or be OK with that.

Butch Jones has now lost more games this season than Kelly did in 3 years.

[paintmered]

Add getting blown out after a bye week to a team that wants to fire their coach to the list of items that represent the C... :rolleyes:

[Reds4Life]

Add getting blown out after a bye week to a team that wants to fire their coach to the list of items that represent the C... :rolleyes:

The Jones defenders want to blame BK. Fact is, this team is poorly coached. The turnovers, penalties and just stupid misktakes can't be blamed on BK, that is a sign of poor coaching and discipline. That is all on Jones.

And I'm tired of hearing about the players that graduated. The people who keep bringing it up act like there is no D1 talent on this team, which is totally incorrect.

It appears we have been Kragthorpe'd.

[paintmered]

It appears we have been Kragthorpe'd.

It's too early to say for sure. But right now, yes, yes it does.

Jones now has as many losses as Brian Kelly did during his entire tenure at UC. :eek: