8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

[reds44]

A Dusty special:
Phillips 2B
Janish SS
Cairo 1B
Rolen 3B
Gomes LF
Bruce RF
Heisey CF
Hernandez C
Leake P

At least Heisey got another start.

[Homer Bailey]

This is really going to happen for 2 weeks in a pennant race.

Sigh.

[oneupper]

Maholm has pitched effectively vs. the REDS so far this year. Maybe this lineup is what's needed to get to him.

(Only 2 ER in 13.2 innings).

Janish 4 for 8 vs, Maholm - Career. :D

[RedsManRick]

This is really going to happen for 2 weeks in a pennant race.

Sigh.

And people wanted to know how Dusty got his reputation. The man is obsessed with not rocking players' boats. God forbid a catcher bat higher than 8th. In the long run, it's only a few runs difference -- but those few runs matter a whole bunch right now.

And really Dusty -- if you aren't going to play Stubbs against a mediocre lefty, just send him down to AAA and let him get regular at bats. If you're going to sit an OF today, sit Bruce or Gomes, not Stubbs.

I'll never understand why managers think young players don't deserve the opportunity to break out of slumps while "proven veterans" do. If your team is willing to act on the results of a few weeks' plate appearances over your own assessment of his readiness to be a major leaguer, I seriously question how you go about making decisions.

[pedro]

And people wanted to know how Dusty got his reputation. The man is obsessed with not rocking players' boats. God forbid a catcher bat higher than 8th. In the long run, it's only a few runs difference -- but those few runs matter a whole bunch right now.

Hanigan's been terrible since he came off DL. He should be batting 8th.

[redsmetz]

And people wanted to know how Dusty got his reputation. The man is obsessed with not rocking players' boats. God forbid a catcher bat higher than 8th. In the long run, it's only a few runs difference -- but those few runs matter a whole bunch right now.

And really Dusty -- if you aren't going to play Stubbs against a mediocre lefty, just send him down to AAA and let him get regular at bats. If you're going to sit an OF today, sit Bruce or Gomes, not Stubbs.

I'll never understand why managers think young players don't deserve the opportunity to break out of slumps while "proven veterans" do. If your team is willing to act on the results of a few weeks' plate appearances over your own assessment of his readiness to be a major leaguer, I seriously question how you go about making decisions.

Dusty has been pretty good with sticking with young guys struggling, but he has stated repeatedly that he believes in giving guys some bench time to straighten their heads out. He really can't win for losing around here (and we've been winning, so he's going to lose in the RZ mind). The only young who seems to have not been given much of a chance is Janish, who some argue isn't really young anymore, but then again, his chance has arrived, hasn't it. And I'm not sure how you sit Heisey as hot as he's been. And that's another Dusty mantra, you run with the hot hand.

[traderumor]

And people wanted to know how Dusty got his reputation. The man is obsessed with not rocking players' boats. God forbid a catcher bat higher than 8th. In the long run, it's only a few runs difference -- but those few runs matter a whole bunch right now.

And really Dusty -- if you aren't going to play Stubbs against a mediocre lefty, just send him down to AAA and let him get regular at bats. If you're going to sit an OF today, sit Bruce or Gomes, not Stubbs.

I'll never understand why managers think young players don't deserve the opportunity to break out of slumps while "proven veterans" do. If your team is willing to act on the results of a few weeks' plate appearances over your own assessment of his readiness to be a major leaguer, I seriously question how you go about making decisions.Bruce is younger than Stubbs and he certainly has been given enough rope, to hang himself even. I'm not sure its fair to say its about "not letting a young player break out of a slump on his own."

I think there is also some merit to the idea that young players tend to be still struggling to know how to get themselves out of slumps, or prevent going very deep into one, while vets have the ability to accomplish that in the midst of a MLB season.

[reds44]

And people wanted to know how Dusty got his reputation. The man is obsessed with not rocking players' boats. God forbid a catcher bat higher than 8th. In the long run, it's only a few runs difference -- but those few runs matter a whole bunch right now.

And really Dusty -- if you aren't going to play Stubbs against a mediocre lefty, just send him down to AAA and let him get regular at bats. If you're going to sit an OF today, sit Bruce or Gomes, not Stubbs.

I'll never understand why managers think young players don't deserve the opportunity to break out of slumps while "proven veterans" do. If your team is willing to act on the results of a few weeks' plate appearances over your own assessment of his readiness to be a major leaguer, I seriously question how you go about making decisions.
Dickerson has to come off the DL tomorrow, I think you're going to get your wish and Stubbs is going to go to AAA.

I just don't get Janish batting 2nd, it should be Heisey.

Just wait for tomorrow when our 2-3-4 will be Janish-Cairo-Francisco.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Dickerson has to come off the DL tomorrow, I think you're going to get your wish and Stubbs is going to go to AAA.

I just don't get Janish batting 2nd, it should be Heisey.

Just wait for tomorrow when our 2-3-4 will be Janish-Cairo-Francisco.

I'm also mildly frustrated with Paul hitting 2nd, but before we go berserk, let's see what happens. Both Cairo & Janish are getting on base this season at a pretty solid clip. Who knows...might be a good thing. (doubt it though, but Dusty's pushed the right buttons nearly all season long, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.)

[Kc61]

Don't know why Bruce is playing against the lefty.

If I had to guess, Stubbs is (as someone suggested) on his way to AAA and Dusty isn't going to start him until after his AAA stint. So Bruce plays by default.

Janish has hit pretty well this year so far, I have no complaints with the batting order. Would prefer Votto and Cabrera in the lineup, but what can you do.

[pedro]

If I had to guess, Stubbs is (as someone suggested) on his way to AAA and Dusty isn't going to start him until after his AAA stint. So Bruce plays by default.



I think you may be right.

[Cedric]

Stubbs doesn't profile as a good enough pinch hitter to warrant a roster spot. Heisey and Dickerson have the defensive part covered also.

I don't see what Stubbs could add at this point.

[Puffy]

And people wanted to know how Dusty got his reputation. The man is obsessed with not rocking players' boats. God forbid a catcher bat higher than 8th. In the long run, it's only a few runs difference -- but those few runs matter a whole bunch right now.

And really Dusty -- if you aren't going to play Stubbs against a mediocre lefty, just send him down to AAA and let him get regular at bats. If you're going to sit an OF today, sit Bruce or Gomes, not Stubbs.

I'll never understand why managers think young players don't deserve the opportunity to break out of slumps while "proven veterans" do. If your team is willing to act on the results of a few weeks' plate appearances over your own assessment of his readiness to be a major leaguer, I seriously question how you go about making decisions.

Word.

If we had a real manager we'd be in first place now!!

[CTA513]

If Stubbs is sent down then fans will start focusing even more one Bruce.

[puca]

If I had to guess, Stubbs is (as someone suggested) on his way to AAA and Dusty isn't going to start him until after his AAA stint. So Bruce plays by default.

And that might be the right thing. Stubbs needs to work through his issues. Sitting on the bench in the ML being a defensive replacement (because lets face it I'm guessing most of us would rather see Leake or Arroyo pinch hitting than Stubbs right now) probably isn't going to help him very much.

Adding Dickerson to Nix and Frisco makes the bench awful lefthanded though. Of course if one or more of them starts getting some starts that really isn't much of an issue.

Although I wouldn't be too surprised if Dusty isn't just giving Drew a few days off to clear his head. It wouldn't be my choice, but if that is the case it might be between Dickerson and Nix for the 5th OF slot.

[puca]

Word.

If we had a real manager we'd be in first place now!!

I've become a Dusty convert. Anyone that can consistently pencil in Cairo in the middle of the lineup and get those kinds of results must be pure genius. Janish will have a great day today it's pretty much guaranteed.

[RedsManRick]

Bats Lineup today:

Dickerson CF
Cozart SS
Alonso 1B
Frazier 3B
Balentien RF
Dorn LF
Miller C
Griffin 2B
Sutton DH
LeCure P

I think I might prefer that one the Reds...

[reds44]

And that might be the right thing. Stubbs needs to work through his issues. Sitting on the bench in the ML being a defensive replacement (because lets face it I'm guessing most of us would rather see Leake or Arroyo pinch hitting than Stubbs right now) probably isn't going to help him very much.

Adding Dickerson to Nix and Frisco makes the bench awful lefthanded though. Of course if one or more of them starts getting some starts that really isn't much of an issue.

Although I wouldn't be too surprised if Dusty isn't just giving Drew a few days off to clear his head. It wouldn't be my choice, but if that is the case it might be between Dickerson and Nix for the 5th OF slot.
The Reds are in the middle of the pennant race, it's not the time to let people work through issues. If having Stubbs up here as a defensive replacement/pinch runner make the team better, than that's where he should be.

With that being said, I think he'll go down tomorrow.

[Sea Ray]

Hanigan's been terrible since he came off DL. He should be batting 8th.

He was the reason the Reds won vs the Braves on Saturday

[Sea Ray]

The way I see it, Dusty has given Stubbs too much rope. What is he like 2 for his last 40? I don't see how a manager can be any more patient with a guy than that in a pennant race.

I agree with sending him to AAA to work things out when they activate Dickerson

[Redmachine2003]

The thing about Stubbs is that he seem to respond every time he gets some time off

[RedsManRick]

The way I see it, Dusty has given Stubbs too much rope. What is he like 2 for his last 40? I don't see how a manager can be any more patient with a guy than that in a pennant race.

I agree with sending him to AAA to work things out when they activate Dickerson

Has something changed in Stubbs' approach over the last 10 games that suggest he's really become less able to hit the baseball than he was prior. Or are seeing primarily a bad stretch of batted balls finding people and tough pitcher matchups.

I don't know the answer, but I do know that analysis shows that most hot and cold streaks are not predictive. Sure, they happen all of the time. But in 40 PA, it's virtually impossible to tell from the stats whether a guy is truly suffering from a change in ability or if he's just had a bad run that is liable to end at any time. I'm more than receptive to arguments of the former based on analyses of his approach and how it is different than it was for his first 300 PA this year -- but the stats are wholly insufficient evidence.

[Sea Ray]

Has something changed in Stubbs' approach over the last 10 games that suggest he's really become less able to hit the baseball than he was prior. Or are seeing primarily a bad stretch of batted balls finding people and tough pitcher matchups.

I don't know the answer, but I do know that analysis shows that most hot and cold streaks are not predictive. Sure, they happen all of the time. But in 40 PA, it's virtually impossible to tell from the stats whether a guy is truly suffering from a change in ability or if he's just had a bad run that is liable to end at any time. I'm more than receptive to arguments of the former based on analyses of his approach and how it is different than it was for his first 300 PA this year -- but the stats are wholly insufficient evidence.

His slump is nothing new. He's a player who's always been streaky. Young players are particularly susceptible to these things. The ones who learn to adjust turn into veterans. The ones who don't, end up playing in an Independent league in their 30s.

Don't try to make this into rocket science. It's not that complicated. Since we're in a pennant race, send him to AAA to work out his woes especially since we have Dickerson available.

[Redsfan320]

I'll do some PBP, one way or another.

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[Cedric]

Has something changed in Stubbs' approach over the last 10 games that suggest he's really become less able to hit the baseball than he was prior. Or are seeing primarily a bad stretch of batted balls finding people and tough pitcher matchups.

I don't know the answer, but I do know that analysis shows that most hot and cold streaks are not predictive. Sure, they happen all of the time. But in 40 PA, it's virtually impossible to tell from the stats whether a guy is truly suffering from a change in ability or if he's just had a bad run that is liable to end at any time. I'm more than receptive to arguments of the former based on analyses of his approach and how it is different than it was for his first 300 PA this year -- but the stats are wholly insufficient evidence.

Not everything in this game is luck. Players come up to the plate with a lack of confidence and press. It's simple really, the guy is not just having some bad BABIP luck. He isn't even hitting the ball.

Baseball is just about confidence and Stubbs/Bruce have zero.

[Redsfan320]

Not sure if I'll be able to do PBP at the start of the game, but sometime tonight I will do some.

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[edabbs44]

Heisey and Janish are here! First place here we come!

What's that you say?

No worries about the lineup tonight. Every tome Cairo gets bashed he produces. Keep it coming.

[Degenerate39]

Heisey and Janish are here! First place here we come!

What's that you say?

No worries about the lineup tonight. Every tome Cairo gets bashed he produces. Keep it coming.

Cairo may have had some success this season but it's bound to wear off some time.

[redsmetz]

Cairo may have had some success this season but it's bound to wear off some time.

That's the spirit. He'll probably end up on Baseball Tonight now - but just to be sure, it's more like the trash heap of history.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rain delay to start even though it is not currently raining.

[Redsfan320]

Start of game delayed indefinitely. No rain yet, but supposedly, it is on the way. Tarp is not yet on field.

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[redsmetz]

Start of game delayed indefinitely. No rain yet, but supposedly, it is on the way. Tarp is not yet on field.

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We had that on a Sunday game I went to last month - it was very strange, beautiful sun shiny day and no game. Then - bam! - it hit.

[Reds Fanatic]

Looking at the radar there is definetly rain to the west but it looks like it won't be there for a while. It looks like they could have got a few innings in before this hit if they would have just started.

[Cedric]

Looking at the radar there is definetly rain to the west but it looks like it won't be there for a while. It looks like they could have got a few innings in before this hit if they would have just started.

They say it won't hill until 9:00 pm.

I'm thoroughly confused.

[reds44]

They say it won't hill until 9:00 pm.

I'm thoroughly confused.
This is going to be a long delayed start then.

[Reds Fanatic]

Only the Pirates would delay a game 2 hours before the rain even hits. The forecast for tomorrow by the way is worse than tonight.

[nate]

Rain-delay chat is open.

[WVRedsFan]

This has to be something new. In all the years I've watched sports, i've never heard of a "weather delay" because bad weather is coming. They start the game or event and if it rains, it gets delay or whatever. Must be rookie umpires. The radar shows rain, but it might so south of north of the city--it's that far away.

Guess they're afraid the players will tear up their beautiful field that no one goes to.

[Cedric]

This has to be something new. In all the years I've watched sports, i've never heard of a "weather delay" because bad weather is coming. They start the game or event and if it rains, it gets delay or whatever. Must be rookie umpires. The radar shows rain, but it might so south of north of the city--it's that far away.

Guess they're afraid the players will tear up their beautiful field that no one goes to.

Who decides? Umps or team?

[RedsManRick]

His slump is nothing new. He's a player who's always been streaky. Young players are particularly susceptible to these things. The ones who learn to adjust turn into veterans. The ones who don't, end up playing in an Independent league in their 30s.

Don't try to make this into rocket science. It's not that complicated. Since we're in a pennant race, send him to AAA to work out his woes especially since we have Dickerson available.

A slump is something you see in performance. But if what you want to know is whether or not it's going to continue, you have to understand why. If that's rocket science in your book, I'm sorry.

If you think the slump is because the guy really has temporarily lost the ability to hit, your solution makes some sense. The argument goes that the Reds can't afford to have him performing poorly while he "adjusts".

But I don't think it's so obvious that his struggles performance-wise are necessarily his fault. You can't "adjust" your way out of bad luck or a string of bad matchups. Nor would we expect those things to continue looking forward.

From a performance perspective, everybody slumps, even those veterans you mention. While you refused to answer my question, it is still eminently valid. Unless you have reason beyond a 2/40 stretch at the plate (the stat itself), something which suggests that there's an actual adjustment to be made, sending him down just takes our best CF option off the table.

Again, I'm not asserting that he's been the victim of bad luck. I just want to know what has changed in the last 40 PA that have led to his struggles and what adjustments you think he's going to make in AAA. Because I personally haven't seen anything different in what he's doing than what he was doing the first 300 PA this year, he's just not getting the same results lately. I welcome some real insight beyond just a restated assertion that he sucks.

[redsmetz]

Who decides? Umps or team?

Before the game starts, it's the club's decision. After, the umpires.

[RedsManRick]

This has to be something new. In all the years I've watched sports, i've never heard of a "weather delay" because bad weather is coming. They start the game or event and if it rains, it gets delay or whatever. Must be rookie umpires. The radar shows rain, but it might so south of north of the city--it's that far away.

Guess they're afraid the players will tear up their beautiful field that no one goes to.

Looking at the radar, it looks like clear skies on the way to me -- with some nasty stuff currently north and south of the stadium. I appreciate the umps not wanting to burn the starters, but I'm confused.

[reds44]

First pitch at 7:55

[JaxRed]

Sounds like the guys that run their drafts make weather decisions also.

[Homer Bailey]

johnfayman

Pitchers have stopped warming up. Tarp is going on. #reds

[Matt700wlw]

This is stupid.

[Redsfan320]

As of now, I will do PBP whenever the game starts.

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[Cyclone792]

http://i.imwx.com/web/radar/us_pit_closeradar_plus_usen.jpg

This is why the game's being delayed? Seriously?

The Pirates are the biggest joke organization in all of baseball. I don't even think the Royals would stoop to this level.

[Reds Fanatic]

Amazing now 47 minute delay and the rain still has not hit Pittsburgh and the worst of it went to the south

[redsmetz]

As of now, I will do PBP whenever the game starts.

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So they delayed it so you could do the PBP???

[Captain Hook]

Not that I'd rather watch it over the Reds but the little plains racing around during rain delays this year are somewhat entertaining.

[redsfaninbsg]

This is easily the most puzzling rain delay I've ever seen. It's as if they don't want to play.

[kbrake]

The 2010 Cincinnati Reds are officially feared.

[reds44]

http://i.imwx.com/web/radar/us_pit_closeradar_plus_usen.jpg

This is why the game's being delayed? Seriously?

The Pirates are the biggest joke organization in all of baseball. I don't even think the Royals would stoop to this level.
This literally made me laugh out loud.

[reds44]

Supposedly 8:30 now

[Redsfan320]

So they delayed it so you could do the PBP???

Maybe. ;)

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[sabometrics]

Has it even rained at the stadium yet? Last look in I heard a drop had not yet fallen.

[Reds Fanatic]

Has it even rained at the stadium yet? Last look in I heard a drop had not yet fallen.It rained a little on the last update but not much. From the radar I just checked the rain is now past.

[WVRedsFan]

This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in baseball, but then again, we're playing the dumbest team in baseball, too.

[Reds Fanatic]

Finally started after a 1:25 rain delay

[Always Red]

I had FSN on about 15 minutes ago and it was pouring in Pittsburgh.

[Caveat Emperor]

Game on -- let's see how the Reds are baffled by the thoroughly mediocre Paul Maholm tonight.

[Matt700wlw]

Baseball!

[Redsfan320]

We are go
Phillips up

1B
Runner on 1st
0 out
Janish up

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[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips leads off with a single to center. He has been on base 5 times this series already.

[RedsManRick]

I don't think it can be said enough how much Phillips' approach at the plate has improved this year.

[WVRedsFan]

Since the ignorant Pirates delayed this game an hour and a half, we should just beat them into submission. Phillips does his job with a hit to lead orfrf!

[OldRightHander]

I just drove through Pittsburgh. Still raining.

[Caveat Emperor]

I don't think it can be said enough how much Phillips' approach at the plate has improved this year.

I think there's a lot of truth to the idea that batting him leadoff has lead him to stop swinging for the fences on every pitch and just play within himself.

[WVRedsFan]

I think the old Janish showed up tonight...:)

[Matt700wlw]

I don't think it can be said enough how much Phillips' approach at the plate has improved this year.

Brook Jacoby may know what he's doing. I remember wanting him fired.

[11larkin11]

I just drove through Pittsburgh. Still raining.

Texting while driving? Shame on you!

[Redsfan320]

Fo3
1 out
Runner on 1st
Cairo up

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[Redsfan320]

BP started and stopped, due to a slide step by Maholm.

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[WVRedsFan]

I just drove through Pittsburgh. Still raining.According to my father in law, it rained about 10 minutes total -- and they could have played 2 or three innings before the rain.

[Redsfan320]

BB
1B->2B/ Phillips
Runners on 1st and 2nd
Rolen up

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[WVRedsFan]

5-4-3. Sigh. First pitch.

[Redsfan320]

DP 5-4-3
DP5 5-4-3 (2)/ Cairo out
3 out
Top of 1st over
McCutchen up

0-0

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[reds44]

Nothing like making 2 outs on the first pitch.

[Redsfan320]

8
1 out
Tabata up

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[Redsfan320]

McCutchen 8
Tabata 7
Walker 4
Jones 3
Alvarez 5
Milledge 9
Snyder 2
Cedeno 6
Maholm 1

5-3
2 out
Walker up

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[TheNext44]

For those of you mad at Dusty hitting Janish second...

Janish has a .370 OBP coming into the game. :cool:

[reds44]

Rough inning for Leake.

Janish has range.

[WVRedsFan]

1-2-3

[Matt700wlw]

Cards down 2-0

[11larkin11]

Oh gosh, don't even say it...

[Redsfan320]

Heisey



Gomes Bruce


Janish Phillips


Rolen Leake Cairo


Hernandez

6-3
3 out
Bottom of 1st over
Gomes up

0-0

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[Kc61]

Cards trail 5-1.

[Reds Fanatic]

Astros are on a roll right now.

[reds44]

5-1 Astros.

Yahoo!

[WVRedsFan]

One pitch to Gomes? Good grief.

[Reds Fanatic]

Anyone else having the problem where the thread is not automatically updating tonight. I have to keep refreshing to see any new posts.

[Redsfan320]

McCutchen



Tabata Milledge


Cedeno Walker


LaRoche Maholm Jones


Snyder

6-3
1 out
Bruce up

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[reds44]

Anyone else having the problem where the thread is not automatically updating tonight. I have to keep refreshing to see any new posts.
Yep, live topic definatley isn't working for me.

[WVRedsFan]

Anyone else having the problem where the thread is not automatically updating tonight. I have to keep refreshing to see any new posts.Yep. No live feed, aparently.

[Redsfan320]

Anyone else having the problem where the thread is not automatically updating tonight. I have to keep refreshing to see any new posts.

Yes

7
2 out
Heisey up

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[WebScorpion]

5-1 Astros.

Yahoo!
I've officially changed my mind: This year I love the Astros!
...well, I like them a LOT! :p:

[Redsfan320]

7
3 out
Top of 2nd over
Jones up

0-0

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[reds44]

Same thing as last night, score 4 runs tonight and we'll win.

[WVRedsFan]

Maholm with 14 pitches through 2 innings. At this rate, he can go 12 innings. When will this team ever get patient? You'd think they'd learn that not working the pitcher results in trouble.

[kbrake]

Last night Burnett and Lackey. Tonight Jaime Garcia. My fantasy team SP is rolling this week.

[Redsfan320]

4-3
1 out
Alvarez up

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[Red in Chicago]

man that parrot behind the plate is annoying

[WVRedsFan]

man that parrot behind the plate is annoyingYou oughta go to a game there. That idiot if he comes near your section will drive you nuts. Kids love it, though.

[reds44]

Wow that was a bad play by Rolen.

[Reds Fanatic]

A rare misplay by Rolen on that ball.

[sabometrics]

Can't believe they ruled that a double.

[WVRedsFan]

This is how you get behind and it's no one's fault. I don't think Scott could have done anything.

[Redsfan320]

BB, then, to Milledge

2B
1B->3B/ Alvarez
Runners on 2nd and 3rd
Snyder up

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[Reds Fanatic]

They called that a double. Does anyone competent work for the Pirates.

[reds44]

Walk, blown DP, broken bat single.

2 runs

[Redsfan320]

1B, 2 RBI
3B->H, R/ Alvarez
2B-> H, R/ Milledge
Runner on 1st
1 out
Cedeno up

SCORE CHANGE: 2-0, Pirates

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[JaxRed]

On unrelated topic, does anyone think the guy in the black shirt 4 rows behind home plate is Rutger Hauer?

[TheNext44]

They called that a double. Does anyone competent work for the Pirates.

Another reason why ERA is not an accurate stat to measure a pitcher's performance.

[Captain Hook]

Probably the best defensive IF in baseball tonight and they cost the team 2 runs.Sometimes I hate baseball.

[Redsfan320]

I'll be back later.

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[Matt700wlw]

Fay just mentioned Juan Castro......

[Reds Fanatic]

Malholm singled to right. 1st and 2nd.

[WVRedsFan]

Oh well. the pitcher gets a hit. It's not going to be a good night. Rolen makes an error, broker bat singles, walks and it all adds up to kharma.

[Cedric]

I don't think the defense can be blamed overall. Leake just doesn't miss enough bats to be anything better than a 4/5.

[TheNext44]

On unrelated topic, does anyone think the guy in the black shirt 4 rows behind home plate is Rutger Hauer?

Haven't seen a closeup, but that guy looks 10 years younger and had more hair than Rutger these days. but I'm only seeing him from a distance and threw a fence.

[Degenerate39]

I blame this inning on the stupid parrot

[Reds Fanatic]

Scary. McCutchen gets hit in the head.

[reds44]

Same thing as last night, score 4 runs tonight and we'll win.
You're an idiot.

[Matt700wlw]

Leake has no idea so far

[Cedric]

You also can't sit a guy for this long and expect him to be remotely sharp. Look at Garcia tonight and it's the same story.

[WVRedsFan]

Nope. Not our night.

[reds44]

That hit him in a bad spot

[Matt700wlw]

I hope he's ok

[Reds Fanatic]

Looks like it hit him toward the back of the head.

[Reds Fanatic]

McCutchen being helped off.

[Reds Fanatic]

Sometimes young pitchers have a hard time on night's like this when the schedule is off due to the delay. I remember a bad start Cueto had early in his career on a similar night in Pittsburgh. The delay tonight was for no good reason. Then they had them start warming up at one point just to stop them again.

[Degenerate39]

The parrot moves now

[Matt700wlw]

Wow

[Reds Fanatic]

Tabata singles to left. 3-0 Pirates. Bases still loaded.

[sabometrics]

Have the Pirates had a hard-hit ball yet?

[Cedric]

Sometimes young pitchers have a hard time on night's like this when the schedule is off due to the delay. I remember a bad start Cueto had early in his career on a similar night in Pittsburgh. The delay tonight was for no good reason. Then they had them start warming up at one point just to stop them again.

But this isn't new. Leake has middling stuff and he doesn't miss bats. I'm not talking about just today. The guy doesn't have much of a ceiling.

[NC Reds]

On unrelated topic, does anyone think the guy in the black shirt 4 rows behind home plate is Rutger Hauer?

Wulfgar.

[Reds Fanatic]

That one totally slipped out his hand.

[RedsManRick]

That Leake is getting tagged with these as earned runs is criminal. Rolen should have been given an error and Leake should have been out of this inning.

[reds44]

Wow.

[Reds Fanatic]

Crap. A double off the wall. 6-0 Pirates.

[sabometrics]

Well theres a well-struck ball.

[Matt700wlw]

More wow

[redsfaninbsg]

I think it's safe to say they have a hard hit ball now.

[Joseph]

Leake = ouch

[RedsManRick]

I would not be surprised if this is the last start Leake makes this year. If he's not going to pitch regularly, you might as well not pitch him at all. He can't stay sharp throwing every 10 days.

[CTA513]

I thought Harang was supposed to be on the DL?

[reds44]

Leake's been pretty awful lately. Is it time to shut him down?

[Cedric]

I would not be surprised if this is the last start Leake makes this year.

Better damn well be. He has been terrible for two months now.

[Reds Fanatic]

Jones flies out to left. 6-0 Pirates after 2.

[sabometrics]

I would not be surprised if this is the last start Leake makes this year.

Come on now. If not for some sketchy score-keeping there would have been a lot of unearned runs in that inning.

[redsfaninbsg]

One of those nights, it's why I love and hate baseball.

[Playadlc]

Leake's been pretty awful lately. Is it time to shut him down?

Yes.

[Matt700wlw]

Time for the Reds to start hammering

[reds44]

The good news is it's only the third inning and we're playing the Pirates.

[Tornon]

I wonder if hitting McCutchen unnerved Leake a little there

[RedsManRick]

Better damn well be. He has been terrible for two months now.

I hadn't looked at his splits, but yeah, he's been pretty brutal since June 1.

[reds44]

I wonder if hitting McCutchen unnerved Leake a little there
Yeah he gave up a hit to the pitcher the batter before.

I don't think dome rocking McCutchen had anything to do with it.

[Reds Fanatic]

The good news is the Astros are up 6-1 after 3.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hanigan grounds out to 2nd.

[nate]

I hadn't looked at his splits, but yeah, he's been pretty brutal since June 1.

Yep.

Oddly though, Wood has looked a lot like Leake did when Leake started the season. Better, even!

[NC Reds]

It was only a couple of starts ago that Leake entered the ninth with a lead against the Phillies. His start after that one was solid as well.

Rolen should have made that play and hitting McCutcheon unnerved him. Don't overreact.

[reds44]

Wow and they drill Leake.

That has to be intentional.

[Tony Cloninger]

This pitcher seems to pitch pretty well against the Reds......and with the nice 2/3 hole hitters for tonight......I do not see a comeback here. Waste of a freaking game here.

[Reds Fanatic]

Leake is hit by the pitch. Warning issued to both teams.

[reds44]

That 85 MPH fastball really sends a message.

[reds44]

Quality AB from Phillips.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips flies out to the track in right on the first pitch.

[WVRedsFan]

This pitcher seems to pitch pretty well against the Reds......and with the nice 2/3 hole hitters for tonight......I do not see a comeback here. Waste of a freaking game here.Yeah, this will be tough, especially with this lineup and their hacking. No way.

[Cedric]

It was only a couple of starts ago that Leake entered the ninth with a lead against the Phillies. His start after that one was solid as well.

Rolen should have made that play and hitting McCutcheon unnerved him. Don't overreact.

The Phillies were in a terrible team slump at the time. Look at the kids last ten starts and it's not pretty.

He is way too hittable, k's nobody and he walks a ton. It's not a good mix.

[Reds Fanatic]

Janish strikes out swinging. 6-0 Pirates mid 3rd.

[WVRedsFan]

Boy, everybody's favorite Janish has looked good tonight....

[kbrake]

The Phillies were in a terrible team slump at the time. Look at the kids last ten starts and it's not pretty.

He is way too hittable, k's nobody and he walks a ton. It's not a good mix.

Do you have his numbers for last 10 starts or since June 1? Not saying I don't agree with you just curious what the numbers are.

[Cedric]

I was wondering when someone would make a dumb comment about Janish. The guy hasn't played in seemingly a year and he's going to get potshots after two at bats.

[CTA513]

Boy, everybody's favorite Janish has looked good tonight....

0-2 and him being on the field is the reason the Reds are down 6-0.

[WVRedsFan]

I was wondering when someone would make a dumb comment about Janish. The guy hasn't played in seemingly a year and he's going to get potshots after two at bats.Humor. I'm sure Paul will be fine, but he has looked a little terrible in his two at-bats.

[Reds Fanatic]

Do you have his numbers for last 10 starts or since June 1? Not saying I don't agree with you just curious what the numbers are.One thing I can tell you is his ERA by month

April 3.25
May 1.88
June 5.22
July 4.56

[Reds Fanatic]

Alvarez strikes out looking. 1 out.

[reds44]

I want to see Leake drill somebody just because of how dumb it was for the Pirates to plunk him.

I'm sure Leake was trying to drill him in the head with a 1-2 pitch.

[Reds Fanatic]

Milledge lines out to right.

[kbrake]

One thing I can tell you is his ERA by month

April 3.25
May 1.88
June 5.22
July 4.56

Thanks

[mbgrayson]

One thing I can tell you is his ERA by month

April 3.25
May 1.88
June 5.22
July 4.56

August 18.0 (thru 3 innings)

[Cedric]

How about 36 earned runs in the last 49 innings for Leake over the last 9 starts.

[Reds Fanatic]

Snyder grounds out to short. 6-0 Pirates after 3.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

The good news is it's only the third inning and we're playing the Pirates.

The bad news its the reds offense that's trying to catch up

[reds44]

Do you have his numbers for last 10 starts or since June 1? Not saying I don't agree with you just curious what the numbers are.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8680/gamelog;_ylt=Akcjl4UbWG3ll9LXLhNlgWGFCLcF

[edabbs44]

Snyder grounds out to short. 6-0 Pirates after 3.

OC would have fallen down on his way to get that ball, thrown it into the stands and then Gomes would have ran into him and given him an Earthquake off the top rope.

:)

[Tony Cloninger]

Leake has to have good command and hit his spots better....or else his pitches look like wiffle balls....sometimes.

[sabometrics]

Leake is perfectly fine as this team's 4 or 5 right now. The one start in Philly looks deceivingly bad if you look at his game logs, but if you remember how good he was for 8 innings that day, his numbers don't really match how well he was in the month.

[CTA513]

I could see Springer drilling someone if he pitches later.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cairo lines a hit to left.

[reds44]

All he does is hit hit hit no matter what.

[kbrake]

All he does is hit hit hit no matter what.

Well done.

[Matt700wlw]

Come on, Scott

[Redsfan320]

PBP's not much fun when we're down by 6, and I'm kinda tired anyway. So later.

320

[Reds Fanatic]

Rolen flies out to left.

[reds44]

Gomes needs to run into one

[WVRedsFan]

One pitch, Jonn?

[kbrake]

PBP's not much fun when we're down by 6, and I'm kinda tired anyway. So later.

320

I bet Marty is glad he doesn't leave the booth in games like this. The comebacks are the most fun.

[WVRedsFan]

Nope.

[reds44]

Did Cairo even have a lead there?

[_Sir_Charles_]

You also can't sit a guy for this long and expect him to be remotely sharp. Look at Garcia tonight and it's the same story.

This.

I've been concerned about this for a while now. They keep talking about limiting his innings by having him miss starts...he's going to lose that pinpoint control.

[Reds Fanatic]

Now 6-2 Astros bottom 4th.

[Reds Fanatic]

Now 6-3 Astros.

[WVRedsFan]

That's the one thing the Cards have we don't--the ability to strike back quickly.

[Kc61]

Reds with a chance, two on.

[redsfaninbsg]

It sure would be nice to see a home run here.

[Reds Fanatic]

Good AB. Gomes walks.

[WVRedsFan]

It sure would be nice to see a home run here.No chance. Prove me wrong, Jay

[reds44]

That's the one thing the Cards have we don't--the ability to strike back quickly.
Runs:
Reds 521
Cardinas 477

[WVRedsFan]

Runs:
Reds 521
Cardinas 477Key word..quickly and key players out...Votto and Cabrera

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce grounds into a 3-6 FC. 1st and 3rd.

[RedsManRick]

One thing I can tell you is his ERA by month

April 3.25
May 1.88
June 5.22
July 4.56

HR/9 of 1.6 in June and July. The mediocre K rate continued to fall.

[reds44]

Key word..quickly and key players out...Votto and Cabrera
So the Reds score more runs then the Cardinals slowly?

[Reds Fanatic]

Good news in StL. Molina grounded into a DP to end the inning. 6-3 Astros after 4.

[Cedric]

Good news in StL. Molina grounded into a DP to end the inning. 6-3 Astros after 4.

Bud Norris has plenty of time to ruin that for us.

[Tony Cloninger]

I have no confidence in Bruce to do anything with the bat. Is the worse thing that happened with this guy....was too have that fast start and decent success 2 years ago?

[WVRedsFan]

So the Reds score more runs then the Cardinals slowly?Look at this linuep with Pujols and Holliday back to back and tell me we have something similar tonight. Votto is missed and Rolen is in a funk

[reds44]

There's 1.

[_Sir_Charles_]

There we go. All we needed was for me to get home. :O) 6-1 now.

[WVRedsFan]

Anyone have a clue as to why all the Reds wear similar necklaces?

Heisey= keeper

[Reds Fanatic]

Heisey bloop hit to right. 6-1 Pirates. 1st and 3rd.

[reds44]

Anyone have a clue as to why all the Reds wear similar necklaces?

Heisey= keeper
I see a lot of baseball players wearing those.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Anyone have a clue as to why all the Reds wear similar necklaces?

Heisey= keeper

It's not just the Reds, it's athletes in general. I saw an article about them. Some mumbo-jumbo about radio waves or sound waves or some such nonsense. If I find the article, i'll post it.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hernandez grounds into a 6-4 FC. 6-1 Pirates mid 4th.

[WVRedsFan]

It's not just the Reds, it's athletes in general. I saw an article about them. Some mumbo-jumbo about radio waves or sound waves or some such nonsense. If I find the article, i'll post it.They almost look tribal. I knew it had to be something when even Dusty is wearing them.

[oneupper]

According to the Bucs feed, McCutcheon with contusion to the neck. No concussion. X ray negative.

[_Sir_Charles_]

http://www.scienceline.org/2008/10/ask-fox-phiten-necklace/

They're said to promote healing and improve athletic ability. Bunch of hooey if you ask me.

This isn't the article I was thinking of, but it still touches all the main points.

[reds44]

They almost look tribal. I knew it had to be something when even Dusty is wearing them.
The Reds website actually sells them.

http://shop.mlb.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3121971&cp=1452348.1452719.880744

Worn by players on field as part of the MLB Authentic Collection
This necklace features Phiten's Phild processed Aqua-Titanium, which has the ability to regulate the body's natural electric currents through cell ionization
Promotes muscle relaxation, pain and stress relief, fatigue reduction, blood circulation improvement thus helping prevent injury
22 inches in length

[Reds Fanatic]

Cedeno flies out to center. Good running catch by Heisey

[Reds Fanatic]

Malholm grounds out to 2nd.

[WVRedsFan]

The Reds website actually sells them.

http://shop.mlb.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3121971&cp=1452348.1452719.880744

Worn by players on field as part of the MLB Authentic Collection
This necklace features Phiten's Phild processed Aqua-Titanium, which has the ability to regulate the body's natural electric currents through cell ionization
Promotes muscle relaxation, pain and stress relief, fatigue reduction, blood circulation improvement thus helping prevent injury
22 inches in lengthLike SC says, "HOOEY."

[_Sir_Charles_]

The Reds website actually sells them.

http://shop.mlb.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3121971&cp=1452348.1452719.880744 (http://shop.mlb.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3121971&cp=1452348.1452719.880744)

Worn by players on field as part of the MLB Authentic Collection
This necklace features Phiten's Phild processed Aqua-Titanium, which has the ability to regulate the body's natural electric currents through cell ionization
Promotes muscle relaxation, pain and stress relief, fatigue reduction, blood circulation improvement thus helping prevent injury
22 inches in length

This. And I ain't buying it. Voodoo dolls have as much effect IMO.

Personally, I find it rather surprising that so many grown men are duped into it.

[Reds Fanatic]

Young strikes out looking. 6-1 Pirates after 4.

[WVRedsFan]

http://www.scienceline.org/2008/10/ask-fox-phiten-necklace/

They're said to promote healing and improve athletic ability. Bunch of hooey if you ask me.

This isn't the article I was thinking of, but it still touches all the main points.Yikes! $40!

[reds44]

I actually thought about buying one, but for style not use.

Then I saw they were $40. Yeah....no.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hey, take out that 2nd inning and Leake's gone 9 up, 9 down.

Can we do that? Remove one inning? A baseball mulligan? Will the Pirates buy that? :O)

[WVRedsFan]

Hey, take out that 2nd inning and Leake's gone 9 up, 9 down.

Can we do that? Remove one inning? A baseball mulligan? Will the Pirates buy that? :O)

The team that had the non-rain delay? No.

[Reds Fanatic]

Leake strikes out swinging.

[_Sir_Charles_]

The team that had the non-rain delay? No.

Damn. Worth a shot. :D

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Astros and Cards are now through 5. Still 6-3 Astros.

[JaxRed]

I did a Google search on Rutger Hauer and Pittsburgh, and my posting earlier in this thread was already up there !!

[reds44]

Boy Janish has knocked the crap out of the ball today.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Maholm 1-2-3.

[Reds Fanatic]

Janish fouls out to 1st. 6-1 Pirates mid 5th.

[kbrake]

Time for happy hour this isn't much fun.

[WVRedsFan]

Boy Janish has knocked the crap out of the ball today.Be careful. I tried sarcasm earlier and got called out.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Boy Janish has knocked the crap out of the ball today.

I'm giving Janish the same pass I'm giving Leake. Rust.