8/11- Reds vs. Cardinals, "Wednesday Matinee"

[Redsfan320]

http://ramsey.mlblogs.com/DSC01667.JPG

vs. Wainwright

I will probably do some PBP.

FREE HEISEY

FREE NIX

FREE EDMONDS

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[Redsfan320]

Once again, this game WILL be on FSOhio. It'll still be the Keelster thought. :blech:

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[kaldaniels]

I would have put Edmonds in there today. Just me.

[edabbs44]

I would have put Edmonds in there today. Just me.

Look at the career numbers and you may change your mind. Edmonds struggles v Wainwright, to say the least.

[VR]

I guess it's the Cordero/ Cabrera philosophy w/ Gomes. He's been SO bad lately...he's DUE to break out.

Wainwright will make him looked like a A-baller out there today. Sad.

[Redsfan320]

Wouldn't it be funny if BP, in the bottom of the 1st, shin-tapped Molina again. Yeah...

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[RedsMan3203]

Wouldn't it be funny if BP, in the bottom of the 1st, shin-tapped Molina again. Yeah...

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You know its gonna happen.... Keep me updated, I'm at work...

[cumberlandreds]

Once again, this game WILL be on FSOhio. It'll still be the Keelster thought. :blech:

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Where's Thom?

[nate]

I think the funniest thing would be BP tapping the ball over the outfield wall between the foul lines.

Comedy gold!

:cool:

[Always Red]

I guess it's the Cordero/ Cabrera philosophy w/ Gomes. He's been SO bad lately...he's DUE to break out.

Wainwright will make him looked like a A-baller out there today. Sad.

I agree, no way is Gomes gonna hit a Wainwright curve.

Is anyone else besides me ready for the great Gomes experiment to end??

He was exposed in the OF last night. His value is a RH pinch hitter with some pop.

[CTA513]

Hernandez is the only one who has hit Wainwright in the limited number of at bats these guys have against him.

[kaldaniels]

Johnny Gomes is OPSing 1.333 vs Wainwright.
Jim Edmonds is OPSing 0.000 vs Wainwright.

I think that is just this year.

Gomes has 5 ABs, Jimmy has 8 ABs. I'd still rather have Edmonds in there, but it is not an abomination to have Gomes start today.

[edabbs44]

Johnny Gomes is OPSing 1.333 vs Wainwright.
Jim Edmonds is OPSing 0.000 vs Wainwright.

I think that is just this year.

Gomes has 5 ABs, Jimmy has 8 ABs. I'd still rather have Edmonds in there, but it is not an abomination to have Gomes start today.

At least the pile on started early today.

[RichRed]

Counting on some strong PBP from you guys today, since I can't watch the game. Thanks in advance.

[mbgrayson]

News update from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinal-beat/article_80f9dff0-a55b-11df-a755-00127992bc8b.html):

They are sure mad at Cueto over there. I still don't see it....

[cumberlandreds]

Sounds like LaRussa is doing some long distance politicking for a suspension for Cueto. I would really like to know what Carpenter said because that's what set off the real firestorm.

[HeatherC1212]

Aren't there about 30,000 people who can verify that LaRue was sitting in his team's dugout for most of the game without any noticable injuries? Wasn't he on the Kiss Cam with ToolBoy at some point? How can he be that injured if he was sitting right there the whole game? :confused:

[Degenerate39]

Did Tony just say Brandon was talking about the Cardinals like they stink? Okay Tony that's how the Cards have talked about the Reds all year

[guttle11]

Jonny Gomes, man of truth.

“What would have happened if he hadn’t flailed his legs?” Gomes said. “We might be looking at Cueto the one with stitches. We might looking at Cueto with a black eye or broken nose. From what was going on at time. . . he was kicking. If you don’t want to get kicked, don’t be within kicking distance.”

[nate]

Chat is open with special guest chatter, Mills Lane!

[reds44]

Jonny Gomes, man of truth.

“What would have happened if he hadn’t flailed his legs?” Gomes said. “We might be looking at Cueto the one with stitches. We might looking at Cueto with a black eye or broken nose. From what was going on at time. . . he was kicking. If you don’t want to get kicked, don’t be within kicking distance.”
Awesome.

[Redsfan320]

Lopez 5
Jay 9
Pujols 3
Holliday 7
Rasmus 8
Molina 2
Schumaker 4
Wainwright 1
Ryan 6

We are go
Lopez up

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[Redsfan320]

4-3
1 out
Jay up

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[durl]

Sounds like LaRussa is doing some long distance politicking for a suspension for Cueto. I would really like to know what Carpenter said because that's what set off the real firestorm.

Hmmm...LaRussa wants a suspension for a pitcher who's 11-3. Interesting.

[Redsfan320]

Stubbs


Gomes Bruce


Janish Phillips


Rolen Arroyo Votto


Hanigan

1-3
2 out
Pujols up

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[reds44]

Great way to start the game.

[Redsfan320]

3
3 out
Top of 1st over
Phillips up

0-0

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[durl]

OK...how great would it be for Arroyo to no-hit the Cards today?

...I know, I know. Don't flame me for hoping.

Hey...a shutout would be almost as much fun.

[HeatherC1212]

Nice start. I wonder how hot it is on the field today. :eek:

[Redsfan320]

1-3
1 out
Janish up

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[Redsfan320]

Rasmus


Holliday Jay


Ryan Schumaker



Lopez Wainwright Pujols


Molina

5-3
2 out
Votto up

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[Tornon]

We might be in for a quick one today

[Redsfan320]

4-3
3 out
Bottom of 1st over
Holliday up

0-0

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[Roy Tucker]

Thunder and dark clouds out here in Fairfield.

[Redsfan320]

1B
Runner on 1st
0 outs
Rasmus up

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[Redsfan320]

9
1 out
Runner on 1st
Molina up

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[Redsfan320]

9
2 out
Runner on 1st
Schumaker up

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[Redsfan320]

1B
1B->2B/ Holliday
Runners on 1st and 2nd
2 out
Wainwright up

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[Redsfan320]

Anybody have any clue why the Reds are wearing white instead of red????

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[CTA513]

Walked the pitcher to load the bases.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wainwright walks. Crud. Bases loaded for Ryan.

[Redsfan320]

BB
2B->3B/ Holliday
1B->2B/ Schumaker
2 out
Bases loaded
Lopez up

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[kbrake]

Tight zone in the Wainwright AB.

[HeatherC1212]

Anybody have any clue why the Reds are wearing white instead of red????

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Maybe they're heavier than the white uniforms? It's so hot outside that maybe they decided white was better to stay cooler. I don't know though.

[_Sir_Charles_]

*whew* Big K there Bronson.

[Redsfan320]

Maybe they're heavier than the white uniforms? It's so hot outside that maybe they decided white was better to stay cooler. I don't know though.

That's a good, good guess. Darker colors are hotter. White would be a good bit better than red.

K (swinging)
3 out
Top of 2nd over
Rolen up

0-0

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[TheBurn]

Way to get out of it BA! :cool:

[Roy Tucker]

What's the protocol for wearing red jerseys? I thought it was just for Sunday.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Maybe they're heavier than the white uniforms? It's so hot outside that maybe they decided white was better to stay cooler. I don't know though.

Or maybe the white would show the blood better from the presumed cleat marks in the near future.

I keed, I keed.

[guttle11]

What's the protocol for wearing red jerseys? I thought it was just for Sunday.

It's been all home day games for several years.

[_Sir_Charles_]

So close. I thought he had that one. Rolen drives Holliday to the wall.

[Redsfan320]

7
1 out
Gomes up

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[Redsfan320]

6-3
2 out
Bruce up

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[Redsfan320]

1B
Runner on 1st
1 out
Stubbs up

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[_Sir_Charles_]

Gomes grounds out to short, but a pretty solid ab there. Wainwright didn't make him look foolish at all.

And Bruce singles right up the middle.

[WMR]

I haven't wanted the Reds to win a game so badly in quite some time.

[mbgrayson]

From ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5455321):


The standings board at Great American Ball Park refused to acknowledge the change of order on Wednesday, keeping Cincinnati listed above St. Louis. The teams were tied in the games-behind column, though St. Louis had the better winning percentage. The organist played the theme from "Rocky" when a fan threw a ceremonial pregame pitch....

[Roy Tucker]

It's been all home day games for several years.

Jeez, I need to pay better attention. I thought they were Sunday only.

I was suprised a couple weeks back when the Reds had the 4 pm Sat. game against the Braves and they wore red.

[Redsfan320]

FC6 6-4 (2)
FC6 6-4 (2)/ Bruce
3 out
Bottom of 2nd over
Lopez up

0-0

[_Sir_Charles_]

Stubbs grounds to short to end the inning.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bronson fields his position VERY well IMO.

Lopez bunts to Bronson, and Arroyo flips to Votto. 1 down.

[Homer Bailey]

Some PBP with actual play descriptions would be helpful for us at work. Thanks.

[TRF]

yeah, cbs gametracker isn't working for me, so I'm a bit behind.

[Redsfan320]

1-3/ on a bunt attempt
1 out
Jay up

1B
Runner on 1st
1 out
Pujols up

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[_Sir_Charles_]

Jay singles to right.

[Roy Tucker]

Gameday at www.reds.com is good.

[Redsfan320]

Some PBP with actual play descriptions would be helpful for us at work. Thanks.

I'll try

[_Sir_Charles_]

Balk called on Bronson?

Yep. Jay to second.

[VR]

I see the 2nd pitch was a called strike on Pujols...and then my gameday locked up. I'm guessing LaRussa charged the field to file a protest?

[RichRed]

Jay singles to right.

Jay has a .419 BABIP with a 15% LD. Time for his hits to stop falling, and today would be nice.

[Redsfan320]

BK/ Apparently BA balked, Dusty comin' out
1B->2B/ Jay
1 out
Pujols (still) up

I have no clue how that was a balk.

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[VR]

)

I have no clue how that was a balk.

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I'm sure TLR told the umps it was.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Pujols grounds to Rolen. 2 down. Jay holds at 2nd.

[Redsfan320]

I'm sure TLR told the umps it was.

It's possible. Which ump even called it?

5-3/ Hard grounder to Rolen down the line
2 out
Runner on 2nd
Holliday up

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[_Sir_Charles_]

1B ump called it I believe.

[mbgrayson]

TV guys say there was no discernable stop in BA's delivery.

[Redsfan320]

1B ump called it I believe.

Huh. So I see.

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[_Sir_Charles_]

KK

Holliday K's on a high heater. Nicely done Bronson.

[Brutus]

Take a Holliday.

[Redsfan320]

K (swinging)
3 out
Top of 3rd over
Hanigan up

0-0

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[Gallen5862]

Lets go Reds. Thanks for the PBP 320.

[VR]

I would love it in a big way if BA could beat Wainwright in a pitchers duel. Big boost for the team if they can pull this out.

[Roy Tucker]

Reds need to put some pressure on StL pitching. Grind out some ABs and get pitch counts up on a hot day.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I would love it in a big way if BA could beat Wainwright in a complete blowout. Big boost for the team if they can pull this out.

Fixed that for you. :cool:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wainwright getting squeezed big time in this AB to Hanny

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hanigan grounds out to 2nd. 1 down.

[Redsfan320]

Thanks for the PBP 320.

You're welcome

4-3/ Easy grounder to 2nd
1 out
Arroyo up

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[Redsfan320]

I will do PBP through the 4th.

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[_Sir_Charles_]

Bronson works the count full. Make him work!

[Redsfan320]

9
2 out
Phillips up

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[VR]

Fixed that for you. :cool:

I hate the 'fixed it for you' posts.

Except that one. Fixed for truth. :beerme:

[_Sir_Charles_]

So, did Brandon tap Molina on the shin guards in the 1st?

[Redsfan320]

1-3
3 out
Bottom of 2nd over
Rasmus up

0-0


So, did Brandon tap Molina on the shin guards in the 1st?

No. I so badly wish he would have.

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[_Sir_Charles_]

I hate the 'fixed it for you' posts.

Except that one. Fixed for truth. :beerme:

:beerme: Right back at ya! :O)

[_Sir_Charles_]

No. I so badly wish he would have.

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Thanks. I had a feeling he wouldn't. I'm sure somebody got in his ear about the idiocy of that move considering the circumstances.

[cumberlandreds]

So, did Brandon tap Molina on the shin guards in the 1st?

In light of how events turned out yesterday he should have just whacked him over top of the head. ;)

[_Sir_Charles_]

ROFLMAO! :O)

[Redsfan320]

In light of how events turned out yesterday he should have just whacked him over top of the head.

This would've been even better.

7
1 out
Molina up

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[_Sir_Charles_]

Fly out to Gomes. Brantley kind of hesitated before he said Jonny had it.

[Roy Tucker]

Gomes has all the finesse of a caveman out in LF.

[Redsfan320]

6-3/ Easy for Janish
2 out
Schumaker up

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[_Sir_Charles_]

Molina grounds out to Janish. 2 pitches...2 down. I like it.

And Molina is getting booed like no other in a while at GABP.

[Redsfan320]

And Molina is getting booed like no other in a while at GABP.

I know. Great work by the crowd!

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[_Sir_Charles_]

Skip with single that scoots past Phillips.

[Brutus]

Gomes has all the finesse of a caveman out in LF.

http://lifeisntover.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/so_easy_a_caveman_can_do_it_tv_show_announcement.j pg

[VR]

Gameday showing 86mph fastball
Followed by an 84 mph changeup

hmmmm

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wainwright grounds out to Phillips. 0-0 game after 3 1/2. 7 pitch inning there from Bronson.

[Redsfan320]

1B/ In the hole between 1st and 2nd, BP just couldn't get to it
Runner on 1st
2 out
Wainwright up

4-3/ Easy for BP
3 out
Top of 4th over
Janish up

0-0

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[Roy Tucker]

I know. Great work by the crowd!

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We sat out by RF foul pole by the Cardinals bullpen last night and the RF crowd was working over their bullpen pretty good.

[Redsfan320]

We sat out by RF foul pole by the Cardinals bullpen last night and the RF crowd was working over their bullpen pretty good.

He-he-he. GOOD. I hate the Cardinals.

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[Roy Tucker]

Skip with single that scoots past Phillips.

The gnats of the Card lineup have been problematic this series.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Janish, Votto, Rolen due up.

[Hoosier Red]

He-he-he. GOOD. I hate the Cardinals.

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Oh no not again. Now Larussa's going to have to talk to Boss-Hog, and the whole episode will start over again.

[durl]

C'mon, Reds. Show us some offense this inning. PLEEZE....

[Roy Tucker]

He-he-he. GOOD. I hate the Cardinals.

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I was a little surprised. Cincinnati fans are usually very polite. They finally stationed a few security guys around it and shooed off the boo-birds.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Paul grounds out to short. 1 down.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Votto rips one to Pujols on the first pitch. Flip to Wainwright...2 down quickly.

[Redsfan320]

FSO trivia question: Who are the only 2 catchers with 100+ HR as a Red? Obviously, #5 is one, not sure who the other is.

6-3
1 out
Votto up

3-1
2 out
Rolen up


Oh no not again. Now Larussa's going to have to talk to Boss-Hog, and the whole episode will start over again.

Ha-ha. LOL

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[cumberlandreds]

Arroyo is at 61 pitches and Wainwright is at 47.

[cumberlandreds]

FSO trivia question: Who are the only 2 catchers with 100+ HR as a Red? Obviously, #5 is one, not sure who the other is.

6-3
1 out
Votto up

3-1
2 out
Rolen up



Ha-ha. LOL

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Ernie Lombardi?

[OldXOhio]

Hate to say this, but it appears AW is dealing. This game has all the makings of a 3-0 STL win.

[Roy Tucker]

Ernie Lombardi?

that would be my guess.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ernie Lombardi?

That's what I was thinking too.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Rolen grounded out to short to end the inning. 0-0 it remains after 4.

[Redsfan320]

Ernie Lombardi?

Good guess.

6-3
3 out
Bottom of 4th over
Ryan up

0-0

I'm out. Later,

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[Homer Bailey]

Reds getting mowed down like overgrown grass.

It's a riding mower too.

[durl]

Arroyo is going to have to step it up a couple of notches. The offense isn't going to be his friend today, it appears.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ryan, Lopez & Jay due up

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nice play by Hanigan! Foul pop near the 3rd base dugout.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Well, it's not the punk Jason LaRue.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Liner right at Rolen. 2 down quickly.

[Roy Tucker]

Sometimes I don't know how MLB players do it. I was worn out after last nights game and all I did was sit and sweat. I can't imagine playing a day game today in mid-90's heat and sun and humidity.

[bucksfan2]

By my count Lombardi had 120 HR's as a red.

LaRue had 84.

[Brutus]

Reds getting mowed down like overgrown grass.

It's a riding mower too.

The more disturbing aspect is that the Reds haven't had a strikeout through four innings. So they're not getting anything going despite not being terribly fooled by his stuff today.

[durl]

The more disturbing aspect is that the Reds haven't had a strikeout through four innings. So they're not getting anything going despite not being terribly fooled by his stuff today.

Well, the plus side of that is if the Cards make an out in less than 3 pitches it keeps Arroyo's count down.

[15fan]

So many choices.

Glen Sutko, Dann Bilardello, Sal Butera, Alan Knicely, Terry McGriff, Jeff Reed...

[Homer Bailey]

This Jon Jay crap has got to stop.

[bucksfan2]

Jon Jay is absolutely killing the Reds.

[_Sir_Charles_]

*sigh* Double by Jay down the line.

He is NOT this good of a hitter.

[cumberlandreds]

So many choices.

Glen Sutko, Dann Bilardello, Sal Butera, Alan Knicely, Terry McGriff, Jeff Reed...

You forgot Paul Bako. :)

[cumberlandreds]

Jon Jay is absolutely killing the Reds.

Darn Federalist!!!

[mbgrayson]

Intentional Walk to Albert Pujols, watch out though, Holliday is hot...

[kaldaniels]

You forgot Paul Bako. :)

You are all wrong, its Keymastur.

[nate]

I wish we could trade John Fay for John Jay.

[Roy Tucker]

Jay's hits haven't been bleeders and dinks either. The guy is hitting rockets.

[_Sir_Charles_]

4 pitch walk to Holliday. Rasmus with the bases loaded.

[Roy Tucker]

I think Arroyo pitched around Holliday but boy does loading the base make me nervous.

[Brutus]

"I want Parkman."

Let's see what he can do-do with his doo-doo

[_Sir_Charles_]

Foul ball down the line...that Gomes should've had.

[_Sir_Charles_]

2-2 now to Rasmus

[kaldaniels]

Is waivers an open process...Welsh just made it sound like the Cards knew Cincy claimed JE.

[Homer Bailey]

This is scary.

[kaldaniels]

Break out the eephus Bronson.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Full count.

[VR]

Foul ball down the line...that Gomes should've had.

Really?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Grand slam. 4-0 Cards.

[Homer Bailey]

You have got to be kidding me.

[Brutus]

Is waivers an open process...Welsh just made it sound like the Cards knew Cincy claimed JE.

I'm pretty sure it is a blind system.

[Playadlc]

Gomes makes that play this inning is over.

[Roy Tucker]

Well.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Really?

I'm only reporting what both Marty & Jeff said.

They said he clearly pulled up early.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Ownership

[Homer Bailey]

This is why you have to stop playing Jonny Gomes every day.

[Kc61]

Gomes makes that play this inning is over.

That's on Gomes. He has to catch that ball.

[guttle11]

That's what happens when you dance around two straight hitters, one with an 0-2 count.

[Roy Tucker]

Poo.

[VR]

If that's the case....Gomes is pushing hard to have allowed more runs this series than the starting pitching has.

[Brutus]

This is why you have to stop playing Jonny Gomes every day.

Oh come on. Arroyo gives up a grand slam and again with the Gomes stuff?

Geez people let's stop pinning all the blame for this series on one guy.

[RichRed]

Pitching and defense.

[CTA513]

Boom headshot.

:redface:

[cumberlandreds]

Grand slam. 4-0 Cards.

When BA went 3-2 I knew he would probably groove one just to get a strike. That's Ye ole ball game today. They aren't getting anything off of Wainwright.

[kbrake]

Agree with everyone on Gomes. No excuse to not make that play.

[Homer Bailey]

Oh come on. Arroyo gives up a grand slam and again with the Gomes stuff?

Geez people let's stop pinning all the blame for this series on one guy.

I'm a Gomes fan, and I've seen enough. His defense has murdered the Reds all series, and it just cost them 4 runs and caused them to get swept.

[Kc61]

Oh come on. Arroyo gives up a grand slam and again with the Gomes stuff?

Geez people let's stop pinning all the blame for this series on one guy.

Last night was a bit unfair. Gomes allowed some extra bases and maybe an extra run. The crowd should have blamed the pitching more.

This time it is all on Gomes. Bases loaded, good hitter up, scoreless game, you need to catch a playable foul ball.

Sorry, this one is on Gomes.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Oh come on. Arroyo gives up a grand slam and again with the Gomes stuff?

Geez people let's stop pinning all the blame for this series on one guy.

I agree. You can't blame Gomes for that. The walk to Holliday was the problem. And not puting away Rasmus.

If Gomes catches it...it'd be a fantastic play right up against the wall basically. He certainly should've made the effort instead of pulling up...but that was ONE ball....Bronson put all the guys on and gave up the dinger. Kinda hard to blame Gomes for all that too.

[Roy Tucker]

Rain out here in Fairfield. T-storms popping up all over the radar.

[Roy Tucker]

Coulda shoulda woulda.

Bottom line is the scoreboard.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Humiliating series for reds in every single way

[BuckeyeRedleg]

LOL

You have to be kidding me.

Jonny Gomes does it again.

Comedy of errors in this series by everyone.

[_Sir_Charles_]

When BA went 3-2 I knew he would probably groove one just to get a strike. That's Ye ole ball game today. They aren't getting anything off of Wainwright.

He didn't groove one btw. Changeup down and away, right at the bottom edge of the zone.

[durl]

And the sweep is even worse because of Phillips' rant. BP threw it down and the Cards picked it up and beat him over the head with it.

[bucksfan2]

LOL

You have to be kidding me.

Jonny Gomes does it again.

Comedy of errors in this series by everyone.

Double to Jon Jay and then a 4 pitch walk to Holiday is more to blame.

[Playadlc]

Gomes K's. Shocker.

[bucksfan2]

He didn't groove one btw. Changeup down and away, right at the bottom edge of the zone.

You don't hit a ball that far to dead center on a good pitch. It was a bad pitch.

[Kc61]

Double to Jon Jay and then a 4 pitch walk to Holiday is more to blame.

Please. Bronson threw the third out. The inning was over if Gomes gets over into foul territory. Has to catch that ball.

[Brutus]

Apparently Gomes also let the count go 3-2 to Rasmus and served up a nice big gopher ball.

People need to snap to reality. They're trying to pin all the blame on one guy because it makes them feel better about the entire team if one position can be blamed for all the problems these last 3 days.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Double to Jon Jay and then a 4 pitch walk to Holiday is more to blame.

And a statue in LF is to blame too.

[Homer Bailey]

Apparently Gomes also let the count go 3-2 to Rasmus and served up a nice big gopher ball.

People need to snap to reality. They're trying to pin all the blame on one guy because it makes them feel better about the entire team if one position can be blamed for all the problems these last 3 days.

As a matter of fact, yes he did.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Double to Jon Jay and then a 4 pitch walk to Holiday is more to blame.

Yep.

[Roy Tucker]

Yeah, the Reds have had a systemic breakdown. Plenty of blame to spread all around.

[kbrake]

Double to Jon Jay and then a 4 pitch walk to Holiday is more to blame.

No its not. Jay took the pitch the other way and got a double it happens. I'm not going right after Holliday with a base open. There is no reason for Gomes to not catch that ball. Any other OF on this roster has that easily and the inning is over.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bruce fouls one off his foot....they're calling it fair and Jay out.

~edit~ Nope, hit off the ground and then hits Jay.

[Kc61]

Apparently Gomes also let the count go 3-2 to Rasmus and served up a nice big gopher ball.

People need to snap to reality. They're trying to pin all the blame on one guy because it makes them feel better about the entire team if one position can be blamed for all the problems these last 3 days.

No. I am pinning this one on Gomes because he didn't catch the playable third out.

You can't expect the pitcher to get four outs against the Cards in a bases loaded inning.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Last I checked, a double and a 4-pitch walk isn't worth 4 runs.

C'mon contrarians, if everyone was pounding on Arroyo, you'd say "but gomes should have caught the foul ball."

[Brutus]

As a matter of fact, yes he did.

You're right. Bronson Arroyo had nothing to do with it.

I'll not let the facts get in the way of a good rant. It's all Gomes' fault. He's the reason the Reds went 0-3 this series.

[_Sir_Charles_]

You don't hit a ball that far to dead center on a good pitch. It was a bad pitch.

Agree to disagree. Hitters hit good pitches all the time. To many places in the park (and out of it).

[Brutus]

Last I checked, a double and a 4-pitch walk isn't worth 4 runs.

C'mon contrarians, if everyone was pounding on Arroyo, you'd say "but gomes should have caught the foul ball."

Contrarians?

Sorry man. In case you forgot, there are 9 players out there on the field (including Arroyo). I'd say several of them are to blame -- not one player.

[bucksfan2]

No its not. Jay took the pitch the other way and got a double it happens. I'm not going right after Holliday with a base open. There is no reason for Gomes to not catch that ball. Any other OF on this roster has that easily and the inning is over.

Here is the thing. If your going to be the Cards you can't let guys like Jon Jay beat you. You can't let Rasums and Shumacher hit grand slams. The Cards pitching as well as Pujols and Holiday are too good to let their roll players kill you.

[Roy Tucker]

And blame Dusty for playing him and WJ for signing him.

And Mrs. Gomes for giving birth to him.

[Playadlc]

You're right. Bronson Arroyo had nothing to do with it.

I'll not let the facts get in the way of a good rant. It's all Gomes' fault. He's the reason the Reds went 0-3 this series.

It's not all of Gomes fault, of course Arroyo could have made better pitches, but that doesn't change the fact that Gomes HAS to make that play in LF. If he does, the inning is over. That's a fact.

[Kc61]

You're right. Bronson Arroyo had nothing to do with it.

I'll not let the facts get in the way of a good rant. It's all Gomes' fault. He's the reason the Reds went 0-3 this series.

No. He's an important reason why the Reds trail in this ballgame.

[kbrake]

Here is the thing. If your going to be the Cards you can't let guys like Jon Jay beat you. You can't let Rasums and Shumacher hit grand slams. The Cards pitching as well as Pujols and Holiday are too good to let their roll players kill you.

I agree which is why when Rasmus gives you an out you need to take care of it.

[Brutus]

No. He's an important reason why the Reds trail in this ballgame.

And so is Bronson Arroyo.

[fearofpopvol1]

Gomes is not a good defender, and he should've had that ball and is at fault. But to pin this all on him is a joke. Arroyo had a bad inning. He's been flirting with disaster all afternoon and it caught up to him. Didn't Arroyo have 2 outs and then load the bases? Last time I checked, that's not awesome.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Stubbs with a rope up the middle. 2 down Hanigan up.

[reds44]

Boy this has been an embarassing series.

[_Sir_Charles_]

No its not. Jay took the pitch the other way and got a double it happens. I'm not going right after Holliday with a base open. There is no reason for Gomes to not catch that ball. Any other OF on this roster has that easily and the inning is over.

There wasn't a base open. They IBB Pujols to pitch to Holliday.

Oh, or do you mean 3rd was open?

[nate]

Gomes is not a good defender, and he should've had that ball and is at fault. But to pin this all on him is a joke. Arroyo had a bad inning. He's been flirting with disaster all afternoon and it caught up to him. Didn't Arroyo have 2 outs and then load the bases? Last time I checked, that's not awesome.

One of the baserunners was an IBB.

So, no..."he" didn't load the bases.

[kbrake]

There wasn't a base open. They IBB Pujols to pitch to Holliday.

There is still a base open. You don't groove it to Holliday the bases were not loaded.

[Brutus]

Gomes is not a good defender, and he should've had that ball and is at fault. But to pin this all on him is a joke. Arroyo had a bad inning. He's been flirting with disaster all afternoon and it caught up to him. Didn't Arroyo have 2 outs and then load the bases? Last time I checked, that's not awesome.

Game. Set. Match.

People are overlooking the fact that Arroyo (not Gomes) loaded the bases and still had a chance to get out of the inning by retiring Rasmus. He didn't get the job done.

To blame that entire inning on one misplay that went foul is about as big an overreaction as one could have.

[edabbs44]

That's what I was thinking too.


You're right. Bronson Arroyo had nothing to do with it.

I'll not let the facts get in the way of a good rant. It's all Gomes' fault. He's the reason the Reds went 0-3 this series.

Since OCab is on the DL, who else's fault could it be ?

I have no comment since I have no visual access, but even if Gomes botched it Arroyo still owns a nice chunk of that inning.

[Homer Bailey]

You're right. Bronson Arroyo had nothing to do with it.

I'll not let the facts get in the way of a good rant. It's all Gomes' fault. He's the reason the Reds went 0-3 this series.

There's the good old RZ exaggeration of what the other person said. Here let me play:

You're right. Gomes should not have caught that ball, and deserves no blame for that ball. The defense is NEVER to blame, and its always on the pitcher.

[Playadlc]

Felipe!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Grounder to Lopez....bad throw, gets away from Pujols. Hanigan safe at first.

Nix PH'ing for Arroyo.

[Kc61]

Game. Set. Match.

People are overlooking the fact that Arroyo (not Gomes) loaded the bases and still had a chance to get out of the inning by retiring Rasmus. He didn't get the job done.

To blame that entire inning on one misplay that went foul is about as big an overreaction as one could have.

That one misplay should have ended the inning with a big zero on the board.

[Brutus]

There's the good old RZ exaggeration of what the other person said. Here let me play:

You're right. Gomes should not have caught that ball, and deserves no blame for that ball. The defense is NEVER to blame, and its always on the pitcher.

I've already said they all share in the blame, unlike others who are blaming the entire inning on Gomes.

[Playadlc]

Pretty much have to come through here, Nix.

[VR]

And so is Bronson Arroyo.

I don't think anyone is denying that BTP. Forget the lapses by Jonny the last few days....this was a pitcher's duel at best today....and the best defense possible should have been out there (Nix or Edmonds), which would have also been another LH bat in the lineup.

Dusty is as much blame on this one.

The Reds haven't hit, and haven't pitched....those things happen. But continuing to put a guy out there with no range, no glove, and no arm....while his bat has gone silent, is borderine madness, especially when there are better options ready, willing and able.

[Brutus]

That one misplay should have ended the inning with a big zero on the board.

True or false: Arroyo still had a chance to record an out even after that play and not serve up a home run?

I'll answer for you... that's a true statement.

[fearofpopvol1]

One of the baserunners was an IBB.

So, no..."he" didn't load the bases.

Semantics.

[Roy Tucker]

Dusty pinch hitting in the 5th? He's playing for keeps.

[Homer Bailey]

I don't think anyone is denying that BTP. Forget the lapses by Jonny the last few days....this was a pitcher's duel at best today....and the best defense possible should have been out there (Nix or Edmonds), which would have also been another LH bat in the lineup.

Dusty is as much blame on this one.

The Reds haven't hit, and haven't pitched....those things happen. But continuing to put a guy out there with no range, no glove, and no arm....while his bat has gone silent, is borderine madness, especially when there are better options ready, willing and able.

This.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Contrarians?

Sorry man. In case you forgot, there are 9 players out there on the field (including Arroyo). I'd say several of them are to blame -- not one player.

No offense, but I think you just like to argue.

Gomes has been awful this series. And nobody said that it's all one player's fault. People are on Gomes right now and rightfully so. Doesn't mean they have to list all the things wrong with everyone else.

Like I said, if everyone was pounding on Arroyo, we'd probably be hearing from you how Gomes was to blame for not catching the catchable foul ball.

[fearofpopvol1]

Any reason Dusty went with Nix over Edmonds there?

[durl]

Nix has been hot lately.

[Brutus]

I don't think anyone is denying that BTP. Forget the lapses by Jonny the last few days....this was a pitcher's duel at best today....and the best defense possible should have been out there (Nix or Edmonds), which would have also been another LH bat in the lineup.

Dusty is as much blame on this one.

The Reds haven't hit, and haven't pitched....those things happen. But continuing to put a guy out there with no range, no glove, and no arm....while his bat has gone silent, is borderine madness, especially when there are better options ready, willing and able.

I'm tired of Gomes out there as much as the next guy. But the Reds have done virtually nothing right as a team this series and yet Gomes is getting pinned for all the blame. Like it or not, there are 25 ballplayers on this team that deserve a share in the blame for this series.

[joshnky]

At least the long inning means we should get to face the bull pen.

[Playadlc]

Any reason Dusty went with Nix over Edmonds there?

Saving Edmonds for a game-winning grand slam in the 9th?

[Kc61]

True or false: Arroyo still had a chance to record an out even after that play and not serve up a home run?

I'll answer for you... that's a true statement.

True or false - if Gomes catches a very playable foul fly ball, the inning is over with no runs scored?

True or false - If Gomes catches a very playable foul fly ball, Arroyo never goes deep in the count to Rasmus and never gives up the grand slam to him?

[CTA513]

Reds bullpen has to cover 4 innings tonight.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bray in

[reds44]

Both Gomes and Arroyo are to blame.

Difference is Arroyo hasn't been a gigantic pile of suck for every month this season other than May.

[durl]

True or false - if Gomes catches a very playable foul fly ball, the inning is over with no runs scored?

True or false - If Gomes catches a very playable foul fly ball, Arroyo never goes deep in the count to Rasmus and never gives up the grand slam to him?

If Arroyo gets Jay, Pujols, and Holliday out then there's no granny, either. Just sayin...

[fearofpopvol1]

True or false - if Gomes catches a very playable foul fly ball, the inning is over with no runs scored?

True or false - If Gomes catches a very playable foul fly ball, Arroyo never goes deep in the count to Rasmus and never gives up the grand slam to him?

True or false...Arroyo went to full count and Johnny Gomes did not?

True or false...Arroyo gave up a grand slam to Rasmus?

[Roy Tucker]

Peace out, y'all. You guys are goofy.

[Brutus]

No offense, but I think you just like to argue.

Gomes has been awful this series. And nobody said that it's all one player's fault. People are on Gomes right now and rightfully so. Doesn't mean they have to list all the things wrong with everyone else.

Like I said, if everyone was pounding on Arroyo, we'd probably be hearing from you how Gomes was to blame for not catching the catchable foul ball.

Get out of here with that "you just like to argue" crap.

This has been a rather pathetic series by the entire team. Yet a few people want to blame one guy for most of the problems. It's irrational and I'm calling a spade a spade.

[RichRed]

Insanity. Can we agree that Arroyo and Gomes each get one goat horn for that inning? Sheesh.

[_Sir_Charles_]

No offense, but I think you just like to argue.

Gomes has been awful this series. And nobody said that it's all one player's fault. People are on Gomes right now and rightfully so. Doesn't mean they have to list all the things wrong with everyone else.

Like I said, if everyone was pounding on Arroyo, we'd probably be hearing from you how Gomes was to blame for not catching the catchable foul ball.

Actually, several posts were specifically blaming that inning (and the results) on Gomes. I agree that Gomes shouldn't be in there right now. But that inning wasn't HIS fault. He didnt' help though, that's for sure.

[Brutus]

True or false - if Gomes catches a very playable foul fly ball, the inning is over with no runs scored?

True or false - If Gomes catches a very playable foul fly ball, Arroyo never goes deep in the count to Rasmus and never gives up the grand slam to him?

And as I said, Arroyo had a chance to get out of the inning before that pitch and after that pitch. So once again I'll reiterate: they both deserve a giant chunk of blame.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wainwright & Ryan with back to back singles off Bray. 1 down.

[VR]

I'm tired of Gomes out there as much as the next guy. But the Reds have done virtually nothing right as a team this series and yet Gomes is getting pinned for all the blame. Like it or not, there are 25 ballplayers on this team that deserve a share in the blame for this series.

25 guys are on the team and share the blame. But one of them has missed 3 catchable balls (that were not errors) that, if made, would have saved 7 runs. He also had an error on a throw that allowed another run to score.

The other 24 guys didn't contribute those.

Please don't get me wrong. In NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, am I blaming this series, or any single loss on Gomes. But so many better options have been available for this series.....and yet he has gotten the reps.
Bleh.

[bucksfan2]

The beat goes on. Wainwright and Ryan get hits. You CAN'T allow that if you want to beat the Cards.

It ain't Jonny Gomes, its letting guys who shouldn't beat you, beat you.

[RedsManRick]

Man, how many hits have the Cards gotten on ground balls this series. We've certainly helped them out with meatballs and defensive miscues, but how about a little batted ball luck?

[WMR]

No offense, but I think you just like to argue.

Gomes has been awful this series. And nobody said that it's all one player's fault. People are on Gomes right now and rightfully so. Doesn't mean they have to list all the things wrong with everyone else.

Like I said, if everyone was pounding on Arroyo, we'd probably be hearing from you how Gomes was to blame for not catching the catchable foul ball.

:D

[RichRed]

The beat goes on. Wainwright and Ryan get hits. You CAN'T allow that if you want to beat the Cards.

It ain't Jonny Gomes, its letting guys who shouldn't beat you, beat you.

Or maybe it's both, plus a few other things?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Lopez pops out. 2 down. Jay up.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

% of blame:

Jonny Gomes 52.34%
Arroyo 45.25%
Dusty Baker 1.40%
Jim Edmonds 1.01%

[RichRed]

25 guys are on the team and share the blame. But one of them has missed 3 catchable balls (that were not errors) that, if made, would have saved 7 runs. He also had an error on a throw that allowed another run to score.

The other 24 guys didn't contribute those.

Please don't get me wrong. In NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, am I blaming this series, or any single loss on Gomes. But so many better options have been available for this series.....and yet he has gotten the reps.
Bleh.

On the money.

[durl]

How about we focus our negativity towards the Cards instead of the Reds or others on the board? The Cards WANT us to fight each other...it's diabolical.

[VR]

How about we focus our negativity towards the Cards instead of the Reds or others on the board? The Cards WANT us to fight each other...it's diabolical.

Cards are pathetic!

(how's that?)