9/21: Reds @ Brewers

[reds44]

Phillips 2B
Cabrera SS
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Edmonds CF
Bruce RF
Gomes LF
Hernandez C
Volquez P

[Cedric]

Love the lineup.

Good day to give Stubbs a break.

[membengal]

I also love the line-up, and the notion of giving Stubbs a day off.

[OesterPoster]

Edmonds' numbers against Bush are just plain sick. 6 for 13, 3 HRs, 11 RBIs

[VR]

Glad to see Gomes batting 7th....hopefully help his anxiety a bit.

[Captain Hook]

Glad to see Gomes batting 7th....hopefully help his anxiety a bit.

I've felt for some time now that a move down in the lineup would do Gomes some good.I'm surprised it has taken Dusty this long considering his willingness to do it with other guys.Moves like this have helped get some guys going better this year so hopefully that continues.Gomes has been better lately though.

[reds44]

Votto got scratched with a sinus infection, Heisey moves to CF and Edmonds to 1B.

Not sure on the order.

[Redsfan320]

New lineup:

Phillips 4
Cabrera 6
Bruce 9
Rolen 5
Edmonds 3
Gomes 7
Hernandez 2
Heisey 8
Volquez 1

320

[Griffey012]

Wouldn't mind seeing Alonso get the start at 1B and leave Edmonds in CF once Votto got scratched.

[Far East]

1. Is Heisey hitting after Hernandez mainly because Hernandez is a better hitter?

2. Is Hernandez hitting after Gomes mainly because Gomes is a better hitter?

3. Is Gomes hitting after Edmonds mainly because Edmonds is a better hitter?

If the answer to question 3 is "yes," then Edmonds should be playing ahead of Gomes for the bulk of remainder of the season/playoffs in LF.

[mbgrayson]

Cards losing 3-0 to the Pirates after an inning and a half in Pittsburgh....

[RedsMan3203]

Hey, Hey! Phillips with a basehit.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Brandon's hard liners FINALLY pay off. Single.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Has Jay ever hit in the 3 hole before?

[_Sir_Charles_]

3-6-1 dp to end the inning.

[redsmetz]

3-6-3 dp to end the inning.

I think Marty said it was 3 - 6 - 1 (actually just confirmed with Gameday. Rats

[Tornon]

Has Jay ever hit in the 3 hole before?

I've seen him do it a few times, I know he was there a bit when he first came up.

[edabbs44]

1. Is Heisey hitting after Hernandez mainly because Hernandez is a better hitter?

2. Is Hernandez hitting after Gomes mainly because Gomes is a better hitter?

3. Is Gomes hitting after Edmonds mainly because Edmonds is a better hitter?

If the answer to question 3 is "yes," then Edmonds should be playing ahead of Gomes for the bulk of remainder of the season/playoffs in LF.

Edmonds won't probably because Edmonds can't. He is about as brittle as Dickerson. Play him everyday now and he will likely be watching in October.

But other than that, I have no concerns with Edmonds playing everyday.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I think Marty said it was 3 - 6 - 1 (actually just confirmed with Gameday. Rats

Yep. I changed it pretty quickly. I assumed it too fast. :O)

[redsmetz]

Yep. I changed it pretty quickly. I assumed it too fast. :O)

Not a problem. Lets make that the last DP we hit into so we don't have to think so hard. Now I like the DP we just turned "around the horn" as Marty said.

[Tornon]

Weeks singles to lead off the 1st, Hart hits into a 5-4-3 DP

[Reds Freak]

That double play was a thing of beauty all the way around..

[_Sir_Charles_]

Weeks with a single....Hart quickly hits into a DP. 5-4-3

[Tornon]

That was efficient

[dsmith421]

LOLRussa. 5-1 Pirates.

[redsmetz]

BTW, Braun K'd.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Slow grounder up the middle. Weeks guns out Rolen. 1 down.

[redsmetz]

Wow, Cards pinch hitting for Westbrook top of the 5th.

[Cedric]

LOLRussa. 5-1 Pirates.

Maholm is pitching though. Expect even the Cards to find a way to score some.

[reds44]

Jimmy Ballgame!

[Tornon]

Jimmy E!

[dsmith421]

JIMMY

[_Sir_Charles_]

:jump: Edmonds! 1-0 Reds


Crap. And now he's hurt.

[Tornon]

Uh oh, and Jimmy's done

[reds44]

And somehow he came up lame.

[mbgrayson]

I'm liking Edmonds better all the time.

[RedsMan3203]

Jimmy Jimmy!

And now, he is hurt....

[The Operator]

Edmonds!

Oh boy, he's pulling up lame. Not good.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Achilles?

[Tornon]

I hope we see Yonder and not Cairo..

[reds44]

Yonder time.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Yep, I'd think Yonder heads out.

[RedsMan3203]

Achilles?

Thats or an ankle type deal...

[The Operator]

Gomes with a single into LF.

[reds44]

I would bet it's his achillies.

[Cedric]

I'm not being dramatic in saying that could be a season changer. Please be nothing big.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Thats or an ankle type deal...

I just assume the Achilles with his history of problems there. It's been bothering him all season long.

I'm obviously just guessing...no video here. Going by Marty

[redsmetz]

Thats or an ankle type deal...

Don't rule out Plantar Faciaitis (sp?)

[reds44]

I'm not being dramatic in saying that could be a season changer. Please be nothing big.
How could it be a season changer? I love the idea of Edmonds in LF against RHP, but he hasn't been here all year, so nothing changes.

[reds44]

Sadly it didn't look like Yonder was getting ready to go in.

[Tornon]

Sadly it didn't look like Yonder was getting ready to go in.

Cairo wasn't either though

[Cedric]

How could it be a season changer? I love the idea of Edmonds in LF against RHP, but he hasn't been here all year, so nothing changes.

I still feel like the Reds would need Edmonds in LF to beat the best teams in the playoffs. Just my opinion.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Gomes singled by the way. Ramon grounds out, but Jonny was on the move so avoided the DP.

[edabbs44]

Edmonds won't probably because Edmonds can't. He is about as brittle as Dickerson. Play him everyday now and he will likely be watching in October.

But other than that, I have no concerns with Edmonds playing everyday.

Wow, I wish I could say that I didn't see that coming.

[RedsMan3203]

Sadly it didn't look like Yonder was getting ready to go in.

He got up and was looking around with the Trainer came back up and was talking to Dusty...

I think he is in....

[mbgrayson]

Edmonds!

Oh boy, he's pulling up lame. Not good.

Not good at all. Edmonds is too fragile now to risk keeping on the post-season roster. We need a younger guy, who is more durable to take to the playoffs.

[Tornon]

Heisey gots it

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bloop single for Heisey! 2-0 Reds!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cards have the bases jacked btw

[Reds Freak]

Not good at all. Edmonds is too fragile now to risk keeping on the post-season roster. We need a younger guy, who is more durable to take to the playoffs.

I wonder if Nix would be healthy for the postseason roster and take Edmonds place as LH bat off the bench?

[Tornon]

Not good at all. Edmonds is too fragile now to risk keeping on the post-season roster. We need a younger guy, who is more durable to take to the playoffs.

Well if he's healthy, leave him on the roster & let him hit. If he gets hurt, then you replace him

[_Sir_Charles_]

Edinson grounds out to third. But the Reds strike first. 2-0 Redlegs.

[dsmith421]

Can alterations to the postseason roster be made between series? For example, theoretically could Nix be on the roster for the NLDS with Edmonds restored for the NLCS?

[_Sir_Charles_]

5-2 Bucs

[mbgrayson]

Well if he's healthy, leave him on the roster & let him hit. If he gets hurt, then you replace him

But once you name your roster for the NLDS, that's it. You can't switch until you make the NLCS. (I think).

[redsmetz]

Can alterations to the postseason roster be made between series? For example, theoretically could Nix be on the roster for the NLDS with Edmonds restored for the NLCS?

Yes.

[Reds Freak]

But once you name your roster for the NLDS, that's it. You can't switch until you make the NLCS. (I think).

Even if someone gets hurt during the NLDS?

[mbgrayson]

Can alterations to the postseason roster be made between series? For example, theoretically could Nix be on the roster for the NLDS with Edmonds restored for the NLCS?

Yes, but if he gets hurt in game 2 of the NLDS, you play short handed. Can't take the rrisk of a valuable roster spot, IMHO.

[Tornon]

Cairo's in..

[_Sir_Charles_]

That's surprising. Cairo at first. Why not Yonder...it's his ONE position.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cards only got 1. 5-2 Buccos.

Fielder flies out to Bruce

[dsmith421]

I actually am OK with this. Cairo is going to be on the postseason roster and should get some work these last 10-12 games to stay fresh. Much as I like Alonso, the chances are much better that Cairo will figure in the playoff games.

[Tornon]

This is Edinson's first start I've seen him since he came back into the rotation. His mechanics look softer

[_Sir_Charles_]

McGee grounds out to short. If it's pronounced McGee....I'm spelling it McGee.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I actually am OK with this. Cairo is going to be on the postseason roster and should get some work these last 10-12 games to stay fresh. Much as I like Alonso, the chances are much better that Cairo will figure in the playoff games.

Fair point. Doubtful Yonder would be on the playoff roster.

[reds44]

Fair point. Doubtful Yonder would be on the playoff roster.
Depends on the health of Nix and Edmonds. If neither can go, I bet he makes the playoff roster.

[WVRedsFan]

When Volquez first came back, he didn't look this smooth. That time in Dayton must have been beneficial.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Dickerson at the plate. Hitting .217. Yikes.

[Tornon]

Edmonds with a strained leg

[WebScorpion]

That's surprising. Cairo at first. Why not Yonder...it's his ONE position. I guess they have no confidence in him defensively. I knew he wasn't very good, but I guess they think he's really bad. :eek:

[membengal]

Edmonds with a strained leg

Glad to hear that and not a re-injury to his side.

[Tornon]

Edinson throws 95 mph to the plate, 25 mph to first base

[WVRedsFan]

Dickerson at the plate. Hitting .217. Yikes.He should start ahead of Stubbs. Oh. Never mind.:D

[The Operator]

Yes, but if he gets hurt in game 2 of the NLDS, you play short handed. Can't take the rrisk of a valuable roster spot, IMHO.
That's a terrible rule, if so. Injuries happen, they can't be predicted. Not that I'm surprised, considering who The Commissioner is.

[Reds Freak]

I guess they have no confidence in him defensively. I knew he wasn't very good, but I guess they think he's really bad. :eek:

I don't think it has anything to do with Yonder's defensive skills. Cairo hasn't had a lot of ABs lately and need to keep him fresh should he need to play or pinch hit in October. Yonder will get his playing time when the Reds clinch...

[_Sir_Charles_]

Dickerson grounded out to Edinson btw. Sorry...phone call.

[mbgrayson]

Edmonds with a strained leg

Doesn't it seem noteworthy that he hurt his leg while jogging around the bases on a HR? Is it unfair of me to think that he is fragile when that happens?

[The Operator]

Doesn't it seem noteworthy that he hurt his leg while jogging around the bases on a HR? Is it unfair of me to think that he is fragile when that happens?I'd have to agree with you.

[WVRedsFan]

Doesn't it seem noteworthy that he hurt his leg while jogging around the bases on a HR? Is it unfair of me to think that he is fragile when that happens?I was fragile at 40 and more fragile now. I just hope his recovery time is quick. We need his bat.

[redsmetz]

That's a terrible rule, if so. Injuries happen, they can't be predicted. Not that I'm surprised, considering who The Commissioner is.

This is a much fairer rule than there used to be. If you had someone injured during the post-season, tough luck all the way through. Remember when Vince Coleman hurt himself on a field tarp at the start of a playoff game?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Well, it's bath time for the girls, so I'm out guys. Keep up the winning ways! Whoever does pbp....bring us luck!

[redsmetz]

Phillips pops out to Fielder over in foul territory (I think).

[mbgrayson]

That's a terrible rule, if so. Injuries happen, they can't be predicted. Not that I'm surprised, considering who The Commissioner is.


I think I was wrong in how I stated it. I found this on the Tigers web site:



If an eligible player is injured and unable to play a club can call up any player in the organization regardless of their roster status* provided that the replacement player plays the same position (position player for position player and pitcher for pitcher), the replacement player was in the organization as of the August 31st deadline and they finished the season in the organization, and they receive approval from the commissioner.
*The player would need to be added to the 40 man roster if they weren’t on it before they could be activated. They just wouldn’t have needed to be on the 40 man roster by any other deadlines.

So those are the rules around eligibility. But what actually happens when someone gets injured? The playoff roster is set each round when the lineup card is delivered to home plate (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070212&content_id=1800321&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb). If the first game of the series is postponed, teams can reconfigure their roster as long as the series hasn’t started.
If a player is injured, they can be replaced during the series using the rules stated above. If the player is replaced they cannot come back in the current round, nor can they play in the following round.

[WVRedsFan]

Cabrera hustles into second on the error by Fielder.

[The Operator]

This is a much fairer rule than there used to be. If you had someone injured during the post-season, tough luck all the way through. Remember when Vince Coleman hurt himself on a field tarp at the start of a playoff game?Ah, I didn't know that. Coleman was a little before my time.

I get why they feel the need for the rule, because there would be teams that would use the DL as their reserve roster in the playoffs. But it's terrible that teams may have to play an entire post season series short handed.

Could you imagine if the 1990 WS hadn't ended in 4 games? No Hatcher and no Davis, and a 23-man roster? Ouch.

[Tornon]

Scotty's showin some life

[The Operator]

Rolen! RBI double makes it 3-0 good guys.

[WVRedsFan]

Rolen doubles and Cabrera scores after OCab goes to third on Bruce's soft grounder. 3-0 Reds.

[mbgrayson]

Dickerson is showing why we didn't need to keep him. Turned around badly on the Rolen double.

[Brutus]

BTW, I agree with the point that losing Edmonds for the playoffs could be an unfortunate game changer. His experience, leadership and the ability to deliver a big at-bat in a crucial situation would be of great service to the Reds. I sincerely hope he's healthy for the playoffs because the Reds could use him even if he's not starting much.

[dsmith421]

Pedro Feliz as a Birdinal: .214/.234/.262

[redsmetz]

Ah, I didn't know that. Coleman was a little before my time, Old-Timer

There, added what you forgot to put in.

[Tornon]

That's right.. I forgot we were getting Miguel Votto

[WVRedsFan]

Dickerson stinking up the place with a bobble in center allowing Rolen to score on Cairo's single.

[The Operator]

Miggy brings in Rolen with an RBI single, goes to second on the throw home.

At least I think it was a single. Didn't look like a double to me.

4-0 good guys.

[Reds Freak]

Miggy brings in Rolen with an RBI single, goes to second on the throw home.

At least I think it was a single. Didn't look like a double to me.

4-0 good guys.

How about the old geezers tonight? Edmonds HR, Cabrera starts this inning with a hustle play, Rolen RBI double, Cairo RBI single..

[Cedric]

The sad thing is that Gomes actually has a nice swing. If he could make the necessary adjustments mentally he would be fine.

Just confused as to why he doesn't watch Edmonds/Votto/Rolen the last two nights and let it sink in.

[The Operator]

There, added what you forgot to put in.LOL.

Actually, he wasn't as before my time as I originally though after looking up his stats. I was born in 1987 and he played until '97, so he was around while I was growing up. But I didn't become the rabid fanboy I am now until about 2000, which is probably why I only vaguely remember him.

[WVRedsFan]

LOL.

Actually, he wasn't as before my time as I originally though after looking up his stats. I was born in 1987 and he played until '97, so he was around while I was growing up. But I didn't become the rabid fanboy I am now until about 2000, which is probably why I only vaguely remember him.You poor thing. You've known nothing but pain as far as the Reds are concerned.

[Brutus]

The sad thing is that Gomes actually has a nice swing. If he could make the necessary adjustments mentally he would be fine.

Just confused as to why he doesn't watch Edmonds/Votto/Rolen the last two nights and let it sink in.

So very true. Those that call him a bad baseball player, in my opinion, don't pay close enough attention to him as a hitter. The problem is that he goes up there with a Men's over-40 softball approach, which leads to so many strikeouts and pop-ups. But if he really settled down and started going with the pitch, he could actually be a very good hitter. He does have a nice swing and decent bat speed. He just likes the thought of cranking those mammoth softball homers.

[OldRightHander]

I was born in 1987...

Thanks for making me feel just a bit older tonight.

[Brutus]

I'm digging efficient Edinson.

[WVRedsFan]

3 up, 3 down for Edinson in the 3rd . 4-0 Redlegs

[The Operator]

You poor thing. You've known nothing but pain as far as the Reds are concerned.For the most part, yes. I've got some vague memories of watching the 1995 playoffs with my dad but I was only 8 and I really wasn't all that into baseball yet anyway.

That's why this season is just Nirvana to me.

[OldRightHander]

Cards down 5-2 in the 7th, if anyone's interested.

[The Operator]

Cards down 5-2 in the 7th, if anyone's interested.
I'm ALWAYS interested in The Cardinals losing. :cool:

[The Operator]

5 Canadian born hitters to have a 30-homer season?

I don't know the answer, but great question. Obviously Joey is one.

[Tornon]

5 Canadian born hitters to have a 30-homer season?

I don't know the answer, but great question. Obviously Joey is one.

Votto.. Walker.. Morneau..
Stairs?

[RedsMan3203]

5 Canadian born hitters to have a 30-homer season?

I don't know the answer, but great question. Obviously Joey is one.

Larry Walker? Shawn Green? Joey Votto, Justin Morneau (sp)

[Tornon]

They just threw out Jason Bay on the broadcast

[WVRedsFan]

Hernandez grounds out and Heisey flies out to right. 2 out.

[RedsMan3203]

Just looked it up, I thought Green was one, but is not.

[OldRightHander]

For the most part, yes. I've got some vague memories of watching the 1995 playoffs with my dad but I was only 8 and I really wasn't all that into baseball yet anyway.

That's why this season is just Nirvana to me.

Sometimes it's easier for fans my age and older to forget that there are fans too young to remember a championship. I have fond memories of 3 of them.

[WVRedsFan]

Edinson K's. 4-0 Reds after 3.5 innings.

[The Operator]

Sometimes it's easier for fans my age and older to forget that there are fans too young to remember a championship. I have fond memories of 3 of them.I'd like to get to that point too. Soon, hopefully. :thumbup:

[WVRedsFan]

Sometimes it's easier for fans my age and older to forget that there are fans too young to remember a championship. I have fond memories of 3 of them.Me too and all the league and division championships. 1961, 1970. What were some of the other league or division championship years. See, I told you I was old-er.:)

[RedsMan3203]

I can't believe Prince Poppycock only has 76 RBI's.

[WVRedsFan]

Weeks taps out 1-3. 9 in a row for Volquez

[The Operator]

Me likey this version of Edinson.

The 5 guys: Walker, Stairs, Bay, Morneau, Votto

[redsmetz]

Sometimes it's easier for fans my age and older to forget that there are fans too young to remember a championship. I have fond memories of 3 of them.

My oldest was born in June, 1983 and she doesn't remember the 1990 World Series which always surprises me, but then again, I was born in December of 1954 and I don't remember the 1961 World Series.

[OldRightHander]

Me too and all the league and division championships. 1961, 1970. What were some of the other league or division championship years. See, I told you I was old-er.:)

'72, '95

[OldRightHander]

Easy dp there

[RedsMan3203]

My oldest was born in June, 1983 and she doesn't remember the 1990 World Series which always surprises me, but then again, I was born in December of 1954 and I don't remember the 1961 World Series.

I vaguely remember some of the 90' series... Not much of it thou... I was born in Aug of 84.

[WVRedsFan]

DP ends the inning. 4-0 after four.

[OldRightHander]

My oldest was born in June, 1983 and she doesn't remember the 1990 World Series which always surprises me, but then again, I was born in December of 1954 and I don't remember the 1961 World Series.

I was born the first day of '69 and I remember '75 and '76 pretty well. My parents were pretty diehard fans though, and that was a memorable team.

[WVRedsFan]

I'm probably the oldest member of this forum and I vividly remember 1961. Kind of hurts to say that.

[OldRightHander]

I'm probably the oldest member of this forum and I vividly remember 1961. Kind of hurts to say that.

RFS vividly remembers the '69 team, the one with Harry Wright.

[WVRedsFan]

RFS vividly remembers the '69 team, the one with Harry Wright.I tried to forget that year :)

[OldRightHander]

8th inning in Pitt. Bucs still up 5-2.

[The Operator]

RFS vividly remembers the '69 team, the one with Harry Wright. :laugh:

[Tornon]

1993 is the first world series I have memories of

[The Operator]

Edinson is pitching like he REALLY wants to be in the postseason rotation.

[WVRedsFan]

Volquez blows away Fielder on a 96 mph fastball!

Wow

1 dwon in the 5th with McGee up.

[dsmith421]

Edinson is pitching like he REALLY wants to be in the postseason rotation.

I think this outing gives him the inside track. He's looking really solid.

[RedsMan3203]

Volkies pitch count just now getting into the 50's? Jesh!

[Tornon]

Homer is now the only starter in our (current) rotation to give up more hits than innings pitched.. and he's given up 98 hits in 97 innings

[RedsMan3203]

Edinson is pitching like he REALLY wants to be in the postseason rotation.

Cueto, Arroyo, Volquez, Baily/Wood (Depends on who the Reds get matched up against)

[WVRedsFan]

Dickerson K's--Reds lead 4-0.

[Red in Chicago]

velocitized:p:

[reds44]

If Volquez pitches like Volquez can he could be absolutely huge in the playoffs.

[Kc61]

Cueto, Arroyo, Volquez, Baily/Wood (Depends on who the Reds get matched up against)

Exactly.

[The Operator]

Mercy, Volkie blew away Dickerson.

5 IP, 3 H, 0 BB, 3 K, 49 pitches.

Who is this guy and what has he done with Edinson Volquez? I could get real used to this.

[RedsMan3203]

Mercy, Volkie blew away Dickerson.

5 IP, 3 H, 0 BB, 3 K, 49 pitches.

Who is this guy and what has he done with Edinson Volquez? I could get real used to this.

49 pitches in 5 complete... Nice

[WVRedsFan]

Cairo base hit. first base now 3-3 on the night.

[WVRedsFan]

Gomes flies out. 1 out.

[The Operator]

Ramon with a ground rule double moving Cairo to 3B.

2nd and 3rd, 1 out.

[OesterPoster]

5-2 in the 9th in Pittsburgh. Meek has 1 out already.

[WVRedsFan]

Ground rule double for Hernandez. 2nd and 3rd with one out

[Tornon]

5-2 in the 9th in Pittsburgh. Meek has 1 out already.

I don't know who's meeker, Evan or the Cardinals' offense

[The Operator]

Heisey given the IBB. Bases loaded, 1 out for Volquez.

[OesterPoster]

I don't know who's meeker, Evan or the Cardinals' offense

Ah, come on. All MLB lineups have 2 starters hitting .219 on the year.

[Tornon]

Macha not even gonna let Bush face Volquez. Ouch

[OesterPoster]

Woooo. Randy Winn pinch hits for Brendan Ryan. That's like choosing between a punch to the gut or a punch to the chest.

[WVRedsFan]

Java time.

[The Operator]

Todd Coffey in.

Let's blow this thing WIDE OPEN.

[membengal]

Hey all, apropos of something:

http://members.socket.net/~wkkdl/bench_johnny_4.jpg

[WVRedsFan]

magic number is 5

[OesterPoster]

I feel a big hit coming up here for Brandon.

[WVRedsFan]

I feel a big hit coming up here for Brandon.It's just gas...:)

[The Operator]

Bases still loaded for BP, 2 outs.

C'mon Brandon. Snap out of it right here.

[OesterPoster]

Who did Brandon hit the monster home run off Bernie's slide earlier this year? Was it Coffey?

[OesterPoster]

Well, there you go. Guess that answers it. :)

[Tornon]

Who did Brandon hit the monster home run off Bernie's slide earlier this year? Was it Coffey?

Villanueva apparently

[RedsMan3203]

Incase anyone cares... Phillips K's swinging on a breaking ball.

[RedsMan3203]

Volquez gives up his 1st walk of the night.

[The Operator]

Edinson has a lapse in concentration, walks the leadoff man on 5 pitches. First walk of the game, however.

Get back in the groove, EV.

[OesterPoster]

I wouldn't mess around with him too much here. Get the pen working if he allows another baserunner.

[The Operator]

Now he can't find the strike zone with a map. Talk to him, Ramon.

[WVRedsFan]

Volquez hitting his wall, which is stange, but this is the way he usually blows up when he does,

[Tornon]

That's 5 inches from being an easy double play

[The Operator]

Example 1a of why Volquez is so frustrating.

Breezes through 5 innings, now there's guys on 1st and 3rd, nobody out. What the heck is going on?

[WVRedsFan]

Bruce bobbles the ball. Doesn't take long for the wheels to fall off. Tying run on deck.

[Tornon]

Example 1a of why Volquez is so frustrating.

Breezes through 5 innings, now there's guys on 1st and 3rd, nobody out. What the heck is going on?

The same thing happened in the 1st & 4th innings, except the double play ball was fielded

[RedsMan3203]

Example 1a of why Volquez is so frustrating.

Breezes through 5 innings, now there's guys on 1st and 3rd, nobody out. What the heck is going on?

It happens to everyone... Now that its here... Lets see how he reacts and gets out of the inning.

[RedsMan3203]

I'll take it....

[WVRedsFan]

DP. Run scores 4-1

[OldRightHander]

There's that dp.

[Tornon]

Now see, yet another ground ball and we got lucky it was fielded

[The Operator]

The same thing happened in the 1st & 4th innings, except the double play ball was fieldedI did think it was a DP off the bat. The play that occured is a frustrating result though after the 5 pitch walk, then going 3-1 on Counsell before the ball in play.

Double play ball from Gamet brings a run in and clears the bases. 4-1 good guys with 2 outs.

[WVRedsFan]

Now see, yet another ground ball and we got lucky it was fieldedNOthing lucky about that. Solid defense. The earlier ball had eyes.

[The Operator]

Okay, nice bounce back. You're the man, EV. :cool:

Through 6, 4-1 good guys.

[RedsMan3203]

Volquez gets in trouble with 1st and 3rd and 0 outs... Throws a DP ball and allows 1 run to score and then gets Weeks on a chopper to 3rd...

Thats a good reaction.

[OesterPoster]

Man, Rolen is so smooth on those plays which aren't exactly easy. Really makes you long for those moments of holding your breath as Edwin would let one of his throws fly.

Or not.

[Tornon]

NOthing lucky about that. Solid defense. The earlier ball had eyes.

I was being a little sarcastic. If that had gone through, the thread would have exploded on Volquez

[RedsMan3203]

Man, Rolen is so smooth on those plays which aren't exactly easy. Really makes you long for those moments of holding your breath as Edwin would let one of his throws fly.

Or not.

Who? :beerme:

[WVRedsFan]

Not.

[WVRedsFan]

Edinson with 67 pitches through 6. I imagine this inning is his last.

[RedsMan3203]

Knock Knock.

[WVRedsFan]

What a pitch!

Who's there?

[OesterPoster]

Something wicked this way comes. Nasty.

[The Operator]

Nasty. Punchout number 4.

[reds44]

Last call for beer if anybody is wondering.

[WVRedsFan]

Last call for beer if anybody is wondering.Not here at my house...:)

[reds44]

Dangerous AB here.

[OesterPoster]

FYI, Dickerson left the game with a strained hamstring.

[OesterPoster]

Smith and Bray up in the pen.

[WVRedsFan]

Tying run at the plate.

[HokieRed]

Classic Volquez.

[OesterPoster]

4-6-3 or 6-4-3 or 5-4-3. I'm not picky. Just get one.

[Brutus]

Edinson giveth, Edinson taketh away. The exact reason he's not (yet) ready for playoff baseball.

[Sea Ray]

This is what drives you nuts about Volquez

[WVRedsFan]

Lost his mental concentration. Time to get him out of there

[OesterPoster]

2-1 count. This is a big pitch.

[OesterPoster]

Hehehehehehe. Awesome.

[RedsMan3203]

Thank You. :)

[WVRedsFan]

Ataboy, Edinson.

[OldRightHander]

Sweet 6-4-3 there.

[Sea Ray]

2-1 count. This is a big pitch.

Yes, it was:)

[Brutus]

Well, that's OK.

[Tornon]

You're not allowed to just throw up a double play every time a runner gets on base are you?

[Griffey012]

I think EV is just practicing pitching out of tight situations.

[WVRedsFan]

You're not allowed to just throw up a double play every time a runner gets on base are you?Yes. And the more often, the better.:)

Good outing for Volquez. 7 innings of 3 hit ball and one run. I'll take that every time.

[OesterPoster]

In-game Jayson Stark trivia...

jaysonst
Roy Halladay just became the only active pitcher with 20-win seasons in each league. Want to guess the last guy to do it? #Phillies #Braves

[WVRedsFan]

We need a couple more runs.

[Tornon]

This Mike McClendon is a regular Jimmy Haynes

[PuffyPig]

Edinson giveth, Edinson taketh away. The exact reason he's not (yet) ready for playoff baseball.

7 innings, 3 hits,1 run with a 15/0 GB/FB ratio looks playoff ready to me.

Volquez is likely our key to playoff success.

[WVRedsFan]

Good grief Gomes.

[Tornon]

7 innings, 3 hits,1 run with a 15/0 GB/FB ratio looks playoff ready to me.

Volquez is likely our key to playoff success.

I thought Edmonds was our key to success

[Brutus]

7 innings, 3 hits,1 run with a 15/0 GB/FB ratio looks playoff ready to me.

Volquez is likely our key to playoff success.

It was not very long ago he was struggling to get through 4 innings. Make no mistake, Volquez has the highest ceiling of any of the current Reds' pitchers (outside of Chapman), but I would like to see him throw a few more games before I even begin to trust him in the playoffs. He's exciting but he's also frightening.

I know he's most capable of getting guys out. He's also the guy you cringe when it comes to facing a tough playoff roster like the Phillies.

[OesterPoster]

Make him a tandem starter in the playoffs then. Tell him that his leash is short, and he's out of there at the first sign of trouble. Have Wood or Bailey ready to go in relief.

[The Operator]

EV still out there for the 8th.

[guttle11]

I thought Edmonds was our key to success

It's a very intricate lock.

[Brutus]

Make him a tandem starter in the playoffs then. Tell him that his leash is short, and he's out of there at the first sign of trouble. Have Wood or Bailey ready to go in relief.

I'd rather run Homer out there right now than Volquez. Bailey has been quietly pretty dependable this year.

Now, I'm actually all for a 4-man rotation. Meaning they'd all get their turn. Of course, that still means Wood, Bailey or Volquez get left out.

[OesterPoster]

Rolen. Money.

[PuffyPig]

I'd rather run Homer out there right now than Volquez. Bailey has been quietly pretty dependable this year.

Now, I'm actually all for a 4-man rotation. Meaning they'd all get their turn. Of course, that still means Wood, Bailey or Volquez get left out.

4 man rotations in the playoffs are pretty normal.

[Brutus]

4 man rotations in the playoffs are pretty normal.

It's about 50/50.

The teams that use them are usually the ones that don't have the Carpenter-Wainwright, Lee-Hamels type hammers at the top.

[Tornon]

Edinson forgot he can't do a double play now

[The Operator]

Walk to Counsell on 4 pitches.

[WVRedsFan]

Now it DP time

[The Operator]

Now it DP timeCan outs carry over into the 9th? We'll need them if you-know-who is coming in :)

[Brutus]

I guess this means we're gonna be riding the CoCoaster in the 9th.

[OesterPoster]

I guess this means we're gonna be riding the CoCoaster in the 9th.

So we should just pretend that the bases are already loaded?

[Brutus]

So we should just pretend that the bases are already loaded?

On my scoresheet, they already are.

[The Operator]

Outsanding, Mr. Volquez. Take a bow. 8 beautiful innings.

[OesterPoster]

Impressive. And it's not like the Brewers lineup is the D-Backs or Pirates either.

[Tornon]

That guy was way too excited to be on TV

[VR]

Good grief Gomes.

I know it's not pretty. But when he does run into one, like he did in August....it's going to go really far and look really really cool.

[WVRedsFan]

Finished with 108 pitches--8 innings of three hit ball. Very nice.

[oneupper]

Just got in. Don't want to go through the whole thread.
What happened to Edmonds?

[nemesis]

When was the last time any pitcher went 8 IP and got 0 FO?

That stat to me is mind boggling.

I can't ever remember a boxscore for any one ever with 16 GO/0 FO...